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Transmeta Lays off 40% of its Workers

aftk2 writes "According to news.com, chip maker Transmeta - current home of Linux creator Linus Torvalds, has canned 40% (200 people) of its work force, and has shifted its goals toward obtaining profitability in 2003. No word on whether there were any penguins seen leaving the building."

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  1. linus wasn't lying... by edrugtrader · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... when he wore that shirt that said he would replace you with a small shell script!!

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  2. Their final humilation by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 4, Funny

    No word on whether there were any penguins seen leaving the building.

    That was the punishment for not being profitable. Not only were the 200 employees fired, but they were forced to where penguin suites as they were escorted out.

  3. Shifted its goals? by Augusto · · Score: 4, Funny

    has shifted its goals toward obtaining profitability in 2003

    What were the initial goals??? And here I tought the goal of all businesses was to make money.

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  4. no need to update his resume by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 4, Funny

    NAME: Linus Torvalds
    ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linux

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    1. Re:no need to update his resume by Dr_LHA · · Score: 4, Funny

      NAME: Linus Torvalds
      ACCOMPLISHMENTS: Linux

      "Sorry Son - you're going to have to have a better resume than that if you want to work at Microsoft."

  5. There's a shock. by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Despite the "celebrity" factor Linus brought to the place, their product just never panned out. It was a good idea, and hopefully some larger company will buy up their proprietary technology, but I don't see how Transmeta on their own ever could have made a run at capitalizing the chips in an already severely swamped market -- the barriers to entry were just too high.

    Still, having been laid off twice last year, I wish all the former Transmetites the best. I hope Linus is able to find an interesting job after Transmeta folds -- otherwise, my company could use a good code jockey...

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  6. Re:Not surprising... by Coplan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I agree: None of their ideas were "insanely great" as you so well put it. The problem as I see it was too many promises, late releases, and the simple fact that they bragged a bit too much too early.

    They should base their business model on some company that is well liked as opposed to a company like Microsoft. Notice similar business tactics? Difference is, Microsoft is big enough to pull it off.

    Seriously though, the ideas they had could very well be worthwhile. While I would hate to see Transmeta fold, at least the ideas and the technology are out there, and would likely be sold should the company fail completely. Supposing a company like AMD got ahold of Transmeta's research and knowledge base...a veteran company might be able to market such a product better than Transmeta has.

    The way I see it, Transmeta will either pull through, or the technology will get passed on. Sad to say, but it's win/win for the industry...and only hard times ahead for Transmeta.

  7. Re:Not surprising... by Com2Kid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Granted their code-morphing and use of VLIW had some interesting concepts, and their power consumption was perfect for laptops, but there just wasn't much of a market for what they developed.

    Nah, there just wasn't much of a market for how they where selling what they had developed.

    Now if instead they had, say, concentrated on making development platforms . . . . heh.

    Can you imagine sitting down at a machine that is a Sun, PowerPC, and x86 all in one?

    That is (was?) the true promise of Transmeta and shoving the chips into laptops was just plain silly. Bleck.

    (actualy I just just kind of hoping for an uber emulation machine myself, hehe. Think the next Generation of MAME. :-D )

  8. IBM by cfadam · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder how long it'll be before IBM snaps Linus up. What better way to get support from the Linux masses than to snap up its creator?
    - A

  9. Re:Goals of the company by Planesdragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most could give a rip about battery life or heat.

    You, sir, use a laptop as a portable, not a laptop.

    Battery life is *more* important than processor speed, to me. Were I in the market for a new lappytop, I'd want something that I could use for a several hour stretch in the park, in the car, or just wherever the feng shui is best for writing.

    Once it can run the word processor and MP3 player at once, at a speed I don't cringe at, I'm happy & the rest is just gravy.

  10. How long have they got? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 4, Interesting

    $180mm of cash and near-cash, and $25mm of burn this quarter (+/- depending how you count), gives them a life expectancy of two years. I suspect we'll see a catalyst one way or the other before then though.

  11. portability, performance & battery life are li by Gumber · · Score: 3, Informative

    battery life and heat are interrelated, and have significant influence on the portability and speed of a laptop.

    heat is what battery charge ends up as, so these are obviously directly related.

    The portability of a laptop is largely influenced by its weight, and to a lesser degree, size. The battery is one of the heaviest and largest single components in a laptop (after the screen). So, a processor that draws significantly less power for a given level of performance allows the use of a significantly smaller and lighter battery pack, resulting in a more portable computer.

    The performance of a laptop is, of course, by the performance of its processor. In a laptop heat dissipation and battery life conspire often force a practical limit on the processor. A more efficient processor, that demands less power, and therefore dissipates less heat, will allow a faster processor to be used in a given machine.

    Oh, wait. This is a troll, isn't it. Oh well.

  12. Transmeta - the Power Management Company by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The trouble with Transmeta was that the feature people wanted was fine-grained power management, not software translation into microcode. Transmeta was first with fine-grained power management, but as soon as it became clear that people cared about that, everybody else (i.e. Intel and AMD) started doing it, and Transmeta lost the only advantage it had.

    Transmeta's "code morphing" turned out to be another Really Neat Computer Architecture Idea that Doesn't Matter. It goes to the graveyard with stack machines, tagged-word machines, capability machines, dataflow machines, single-instruction multiple-datastream machines, hypercube machines, and Forth machines. Each of those has been made to work, built, and sold. Few people have ever seen any of then, but they all did exist as working commercial hardware at one time or another. None of them had enough of an advantage over vanilla architecture to survive.

    The same thing will probably happen to Intel's Itanium, which, even within Intel, is considered a marginal idea.

    In a way, it's sad. We're stuck with vanilla architecture like x86 and vanilla languages like C. There are many better approaches, but none better enough that the pain of conversion is worth it.

    1. Re:Transmeta - the Power Management Company by iabervon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stack machines... you mean, like the Java Virtual Machine? Or PostScript printers? Nope, nobody using that idea any more. Actually, a number of the neat old ideas in computers turn out to be great for something somewhat different, or somewhat later. Stack machines are a great idea if you don't know how many registers you have. With real machines running compiled software, this is stupid; but for virtual machine or for document-formatting instructions, it's great.

      In any case, it's not neat ideas that sell machines, it's solved problems. Code morphing is a great idea, and it'll be really big as soon as someone wants to do something that it's good for.

    2. Re:Transmeta - the Power Management Company by hoggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stack machines... you mean, like the Java Virtual Machine? Or PostScript printers? Nope, nobody using that idea any more.

      No, I think the OP meant that nobody is building actual stack-based processors anymore. The JVM is a virtual machine, and PostScript printers contain an interpreter running on a conventional processor (usually a RISC chip). Other than Sun's brief fling with the Java processor, stack machines have pretty much died.

      Code morphing is a great idea, and it'll be really big as soon as someone wants to do something that it's good for.

      Code morphing is a great idea indeed. But it already is in use in any JIT emulator or virtual machine. Crusoe is basically a very power-efficient processor running an x86 JIT emulator.

      The big unanswered question is whether VLIW was a good idea or not...

  13. Why to an outsider this seems obvious by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let me predicate this by saying I have used or seen a Transmeta product. And in that, I think is the problem.

    Going back a few years, I remember the buzz surrounding Transmeta. 'There is this company that's developing something ground-breaking... and Linus Torvolds is working there!' If memory serves me, investors--any investor would give their eye teeth to just be able to put money into something 'groundbreaking' being worked on by Torvolds.

    Then we finally saw what it was. A chip. Oh. . . Well, what makes the chip so special? It uses less power. Oh. . . Does that change anything for us? Sure, your laptop batteries will last a little longer, and if you run a server your electric bills might be a little lower. Oh.

    Of course, I'm not a programmer or do work on hardware, but for me this was a letdown after so much hype second only to learning 'It' was nothing more then scooter that was hard to tip over.

    That was two years ago, and despite the fact that there is some benefit to the otherwise ho-hum technology, where is it? I buy a lot of computers, and I don't even know where to buy a Transmeta equipped machine (then again, I've never really looked, and have never been given a good reason to look).

    So, again, this seems obvious. A company pours a big chunk of change into a product that never sees the light of day on a mainstream store shelf... a product that I quickly forget about and am only reminded from time to time on Slashdot stories.

    I suppose, scanning the posts, that there are a handful of gee-wiz products out there (albeit not in the United States) with a Caruso chip, but I just don't see them, or see any reasoning to spend the extra money on them.

    And so Transmeta starts laying off people. It just seems to be the next logical choice.

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  14. Re:F*** by rjamestaylor · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Happened to me in March - May. Small company, big project, bad management. Thing was we weren't alerted to the fact that payroll would be "late" (sometimes 2 weeks) until the very end of day payday. The last straw was finding out my family's health insurance, for which I paid $500/mo after taxes, had been canceled April 1. I found this out May 5, or so.

    What a miserable experience. But we came out of it very well. My co-worker is working at a stable company for more pay (personal connection got the interview) and I'm working for my former client for much more pay, benefits, and equity (not options; equity in a profitable company). While I was sweating out the collapse of the old company I had very little hope going forward. Looking back, it was a great opportunity.

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  15. Re:Not surprising... by Bastian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know nothing about the feasibility issues involved, but it seems like that kind of idea could be extremely useful. I'm thinking a machine with a CPU capable of running multiple instruction sets simultaneously coupled with a VM-type operating system that allows you to bootstrap virtual machines of various architectures.

    Unfortunately, their push was toward the mobile market, so they appear to have put more effort into power consumption than they did performance, and I dont think they even tried to get a Crusoe processor running multiple instruction sets simultaneously yet, so anything along those lines that we would see anytime soon would probably not be better than just buying two different machines of different architectures, and I doubt many companies percieve much of a need to have a machine capable of handling 3, 4, or 5 instruction sets, which is probably where the cost of purchasing such a machine would start to be justified. . .

    There's also the possibility of using it as testing machines for software being developed for CPU architectures that haven't had fully functional prototypes come off the line yet, but that's wouldn't provide nearly enough business to keep a company going. . .

  16. Re:I predicted this 7 months ago by evilpenguin · · Score: 3

    Laying people off is not folding. I'm hard pressed to think of any company that hasn't gone through at least one round of layoffs in its history. BTW, as an AC it is hard for us to know who you are and just where to find your "new years(sic) forecast."

  17. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would like to point out that if the workers owned the means of production, this wouldn't have happened.

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  18. Code Morphing by PhotoGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Code morphing with only one target implemented (Intel), offers nothing above buying an actual Intel chip. And as mentioned, the power savings advantage is something others have jumped on very quickly, so there's little to differentiate it. (Although laptops using TransMeta still seem to have battery life ratings beyond the competition.)

    Have they ever stated any intention to implement another target for the code morphing? Being able to have the same computer be a Mac or a PC (or a Sparc) would be far more compelling, and is what I had hoped the original story was all about. Is that just not lucrative? Do they not have the resources to pull it off? Was the TransMeta designed too much with Intel in mind, so that a PPC or Sparc emulation isn't possible???

    It's biggest advantage seems to have gone completely by the wayside.

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    1. Re:Code Morphing by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 4, Insightful
      My impression when Crusoe was announced, was that the x86 instruction set was very important to them -- it's a much easier thing to emulate efficiently. A RISC instruction set (as in PowerPC) is much more difficult -- since now you're translating from RISC to RISC (since the internal instruction set is more-or-less RISC as well). You can decompose CISC instructions efficiently, but there's nothing to decompose with RISC -- the instructions are already simple.

      The other potential seemed to be that they'd create different cores with different optimizations -- the first one, Crusoe, being power-efficient, another one could be optimized towards floating point, another to integer operations, etc. But that hasn't happened.

      Alternate architectures would be interesting -- at least PPC. In a Mac, it could allow efficient Windows emulation... but that seems like less and less of an issue, as portable applications usually mean web-based, and non-web applications usually have Mac alternatives. At least, I don't think Apple is enthusiastic about Windows emulation, and without Apple PPC is useless, since they won't have MacOS. Other non-x86 architectures don't seem important -- there's little software available for ARM or SPARC that won't be ported to x86 if there's demand.

      It's like with languages -- if you know English, learning a second language is no longer that important. Transmeta started out learning the English of the instruction sets -- x86 -- and there's little incentive to learning other languages. Even if some programs started out with different machine languages, they all learn to speak x86 eventually.

  19. Do not count these guys out by John+Murdoch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hi All!

    I think it would be a big mistake to count Transmeta out any time soon. I say that not because I'm a penguin-loving Linus-worshipper. To the contrary, I primarily use Microsoft development tools, and when I'm feeling giddy about Unix I use FreeBSD. The only Linux boxes around here belong to paying customers.

    So why not write off Transmeta?
    Simply put, they're working their way into the product channel. Transmeta does have a very low-power chip--and that Transmeta technology is at the core of an emerging form of hardware: the smarter embedded system. Don't think "desktop replacement"--think "death to the PLC."

    What's a PLC?
    Programmable Logic Controllers are tiny CPUs that appear in all sorts of specialty uses: controllers, valves, automated-just-about-anything. They're cheap, they're generally very reliable--and they have zero memory, have very limited functionality, and require programmers who demand significant coin. When you try to add a feature to an embedded application you will typically a response on the order of "that will take--at least--200 bytes of memory. And we only have 68 bytes left. So what feature do you want to drop to do this?"

    Coming soon, to a factory floor near you...
    The Palm OS, WinCE, and the Transmeta chips are going to change all that. Handhelds and rugged semi-embedded handhelds are appearing in larger numbers--with gigabytes of flash storage, and 128 MB of RAM. Skip counting bytes--add all the features you want. Connectivity? They have 802.11 already embedded, along with USB, serial ports, etc., etc., etc. Some of the vendors I've browsed recently include InfoCater and SyntegraTech; they're both distributors for Tablets, WebPads, and handhelds that run with WinCE or Midori Linux. Very, very cool stuff.

    Laying off 20% of your staff may be painful--but it is not the same thing as shutting the doors. For example, note that VA Software is still around....

    1. Re:Do not count these guys out by AtomicBomb · · Score: 3, Informative
      Don't think "desktop replacement"--think "death to the PLC."......
      Programmable Logic Controllers are tiny CPUs that appear in all sorts of specialty uses: controllers, valves, automated-just-about-anything.....
      The Palm OS, WinCE, and the Transmeta chips are going to change all that....
      I have very very strong doubt about this. Industrial automation people are in general very conservative (for some good reasons, sometimes). The reason that they tolerate PLC because PLC is rock-solid. In a lot of cases, the task PLC controls is really simple but critical (e.g. if the nuclear reactor is going to melt down, push all the goddamned controller rod right into it!!!).

      Many chemical processing plants have modern looking control rooms with goodies like touch-screen big CRT a decade ago; they do not really care about money. In many cases, the SCADA system and the nice GUI frontend just reads data from the PLC... Once upon a time, I did some contract work for a beer brewery. During one of the presentations, I forgot to explicitly mention we won't touch their PLCs if we are going to install the proposed software sensor module in the first slide. I did see the technical manager's face changed colour and wanted to kick us out...
  20. YES! by Konster · · Score: 4, Funny

    They could reach profitability in an instant if they hired Arthur Andersen...

  21. How Transmeta can turn a profit. by Fastball · · Score: 4, Funny

    1) Hire Linus.
    2) ???
    3) Profit!

  22. Re:Intel Fires 4000 Employees 2002-07-16 by buffy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why didn't Slashdot report this news item, hhmmmmm?

    Because Linus doesn't work for Intel, silly.

  23. Re:Goals of the company by sql*kitten · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their morph-code technology wasn't as desired; look at how many people don't even flash their BIOS.

    The real problem with code morphing is that why would anyone pay for morphing code to x86 when x86 processors are so widely available? Now if they'd had the ability to code morph x86 to native *and* the ability to code morph the instruction set of (say) the Java Virtual Machine to native, then maybe we'd be talking. All the advantages of Java, but executing at native speed, plus compatibility with all x86 applications, and maybe SPARC too. Then they could have simply sold the company to Sun for it's next attempt at thin-client desktops. But what was the point of code morphing to only one target? This is something the VCs should have asked before investing a single dollar.