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Ogg Vorbis 1.0
uvasmith writes "According to the Ogg Vorbis website... Release 1.0 is now ready and tagged as 'vorbis1_0_public_release' in CVS. This is a full release of a 1.0 encoder, decoder and tool set. The encoder, decoder and tools now implement all Vorbis 1.0 specification features including low-bitrate, cascading and channel coupling." Update: 07/19 17:05 GMT by C :It seems someone jumped the gun a bit in mentioning the release, but now it's official! Check out the download page, the letter from their CEO and (if you wish) cough up a few bucks at the donation page! For those audiophiles among us, you can check out a side-by-side audio comparison here. Oh, and don't forget the free music!
Ogg Vorbis 1.0 is already uploaded to Debian sid and should be installed today. It should be compiled for all arch within a few days.
Hey, maybe we could replace JPEG with this!
WTF are you talking about?
Backwards compatibility with pre-release versions? Uh, yeah. Since the RC's were started, OGGs have worked right up through the chain (or at least mine have).
Now, if the next release means you can't play any previously encoded OGGs, then go ahead and repost your rant.
I like iTunes and my iPod, and I'm curious: does anyone know of a plug-in for these two products?
I'm not sure I'm ready to give up my beloved MP3's, but I wouldn't mind trying something that isn't tied to somebody else's patent.
52 Weeks, 52 Religions with John Hummel
...says 'micromoog'...
oggenc now has a -1 quality mode with a nominal bitrate of 45kbps. It actually sounds very good try it out.
To quote irc.openprojects.net/#vorbis:
<xercist> sites are down, and staying that way until it's ready. period.
And slightly afterwards:
<xiphmont> Hello. Slashdot jumped the gun. So that we can actually get to our own servers, xiph.org and vorbis.com have both been taken down so that we can finish the release in peace. Or at all.
Mozilla 1.0, OpenOffice 1.0, now Vorbis 1.0. This year should be considered a watershed year for open source software. It is great to see things coming together like this.
All xiph.org and vorbis.com servers have been taken down to prevent slashdotting untill the mirroring is completed.
Thank you slashdot, you just ed us.
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You can get a beta quicktime component that will allow you to play oggs in iTunes and other quicktime aware apps. The iPod does it's mp3 decoding on hardware and there is not currently a solution for software decoding. I wouldn't expect one any time soon either.
Zambozay! My brain must've been eatin' a sandwich!
Adoption.
Any piece of technology, no matter how open, free or innovative is useless unless adopted and widely used.
Microsoft uses Market Development Funds to "assist" adoption of their stuff... Such funds are usually in the form of paid holidays to some exotic location for some key executive/manager of companies.
Opensource usually cannot afford such gimmics and rely solely on the merits of the technology.
We can hope (and prey for the religeous among us) that the powers that be at the corporations like the BBC, CNN, ITN, News-Corp etc realise what is the best way to go and don't get their decisions bought by a company which is willing to spend millions of dollars on MDF.
-- The universe began. Life started on a billion worlds...
-- Except on one where stupidity was there first.
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A reference implementation is great and all, but until they get off their arses and release an exact specification of the Ogg format and codec, it's never going to take off.
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Vorbis 1.0 comes with a full specification.
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from (http://www.nouturn.com/goodies/):
Goodie #1: Ogg Vorbis QuickTime Component
This allows the user to play Ogg files in most QuickTime applications. As for iTunes support, this will soon be available. At the moment, iTunes doesn't use the standard QuickTime protocol, so it doesn't automatically take advantage of the component. Bad Apple! Not following your own standards!
A quick search turns up several iTunes plug-ins for visualizations, but not for audio codecs. I don't think the new iTunes 3 changes this. Developing plug-ins for iPod would be a whole 'nother ball o' wax. So I think you're out of luck.
Umm...no, check CVS...module vorbis/docs, there's tons or specs in there for you. I think Monty finished them up last night. So before you jump down their throat, get your facts straight. Monty and the other guys have done a lot of work the past few weeks. Why not say thank you instead of spouting off about things you don't even have all the information on. BTW, Ogg Vorbis 1.0 sounds amazing. Better than an other CODEC out there. WMA is in the dust now.
"Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." -Homer Simpson
"Days as opposed to weeks", as he said.
Yeah, well, if he went by the book, hours would seem like days.
There's also the basic C runtime stubs (e.g. crt1.o), though I think that's part of glibc.
However, if you actually bother reading the licenses on the code that gets embedded by bison and gcc, special excemptions are made --
Thus, code compiled with gcc may be distributed under any license you want. Sorry, thanks for playing.
DNA just wants to be free...
The Ogg Vorbis format itself is public domain.
The reference library is BSD-ish.
The reference tools are GPLed.
I thought some of you could be interested in my project Speex (http://speex.sourceforge.net), which is like Vorbis but optimized for speech. Bit-rates ranging from 8 kbps to 32 kbps for good quality speech...
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
I find that when I "rip" music from CDs into OOG Vorbis Format that it has poor playback quality (very crackly).
Does the same thing happen when you rip from CD into .wav without encoding to .ogg or .mp3? What happens when you look at the .wav in a spectrogram?
If you hear crackling from the .wav, and you can see it on a spectrogram (it'll look like vertical lines through the whole spectrum), then you're seeing copy protection or some other form of physical CD damage.
If you hear crackling from the wav, but you can't see it on a spectrogram, check your audio drivers.
If you don't hear crackling from the wav, then use the reference encoder and decoder (oggenc and ogg123) to turn .wav into .ogg into .wav. If you get crackling from this, then libvorbis is at fault.
If wav->ogg->wav->player works, but wav->ogg->player doesn't work through the same player, contact the developers of the player.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Lesson to be learned here:
Mirror everything before announcing the release.
Tell that to Michael. The Vorbis team was mirroring everything when he leaked the story. The release has not been announced yet.
" Programs written in GCC have to be published opensource because ..."
You don't work for Microsoft do you ?
There are zero, nada, none, zilch, 0 licencing restrictions on code created with gcc. There are specific statements to that effect in the code and licencing. Perhaps you should read them.
Simon
Physicists get Hadrons!
Moog is Bob Moog's last name. Maybe you don't know who he is, or how it is even pronounced. Regardless, I'll fill you in on something. He was the pioneer of the synthesizer.
Ok, since I see this asked 5x a day on #vorbis, I'm going to tell everyone now.
If you have an mp3 collection, and want to use ogg instead, please do not convert the mp3s to oggs. It's like faxing a document, then re-faxing the fax. It just gets all unreadable. The result is that people will hear the ogg file and think "Oh my god this sucks! Ogg really blows! I'm not using this format!".
If you have the original CD, rip it and encode. If you don't, keep the mp3s.
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I've spent time generating graphs of vorbis 1.0 encoder's output bitrate vs the -q (quality) setting input. They're very cool looking. enjoy.
p h/1.0/
http://www.lammah.com/~xercist/vorbis/bitrate-gra
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We meet at last, stealer-of-my-first-choice!
Well,
What is the recommendation for OGG to produce CD-Quality sound - regardless of bitrate?
Is it still 256k? Is it 192k? Do you tell the VBR to go between 192 and 320? I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of ogg (yet), but I will convert as soon as I find some (or do some) good analysis between OGG and CD audio.
Linux - Because Mommy taught me to Share.
There are several reasons why Ogg Vorbis is cool.
- Quality & File Size
Ogg Vorbis files sound better than MP3s at the same bitrate.
Or, if you don't care about quality, think it as this: Ogg Vorbis with the same quality as MP3s are smaller. Which means that Ogg Vorbis can save you a lot of space.
You can probably squeeze your 15 GB music collection down to 10 or 8 GB, while preserving the same quality.
One thing you must NOT do is convert MP3s to Ogg Vorbis! Both MP3 and Vorbis are lossy audio codecs, which means that the codec throws away information in order to make a file smaller. MP3 throws away information, Vorbis throws away other information, and throws it away differently. The end result is a file that sounds worse than the original MP3.
What you should do instead is rip the CD directly to Vorbis. CD -> Vorbis = good; CD -> MP3 -> Vorbis = bad.
Think CD->MP3->Vorbis as sending a fax, then fax the fax. You lose quality.
Other reasons:
- The file format is more flexible. Ogg Vorbis can be easily streamed. Perfect for Internet radios. Vorbis has a flexible tag system; in MP3s, all you can speficy is the name, year, type of music, and some other comments. Vorbis however supports freefield tags. You can add *any* information you want, and it can be as big as you want.
- It's open source (BSD-style license), which means that you can do anything you want with it (including using it in your commercial programs).
- It's not patented. No need to pay $$$ to patent holders.
Lesson to be learned here:
Mirror everything before announcing the release to Michael.
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