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Sybase Advertises 'PATRIOTcompliance'

xmtrx writes "While everyone is rabidly pouncing, pounding and going pundit on Palladium, little-to-no attention is being paid to enterprise-class spyware such as Sybase's PATRIOTcompliance Solution. Their ad includes such gems as "Non-compliance is not an option" and "...helps you satisfy the many integration requirements of the USA PATRIOT Act by... filtering your customers, employees and suppliers against known suspects, and then... continuously monitoring their future activities." No punchline." The laws passed which affect financial institutions are mostly opaque to Joe Citizen. Sybase's press release sheds a little bit of light on what is going on behind the scenes.

158 comments

  1. WWJD? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 0, Funny

    This world is getting scary.. with things like this the only way to really find a solution is to ask "What would jesus do?"

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    WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
    1. Re:WWJD? by OzPeter · · Score: 0

      Unless of course you subscribe to a religeon or philosophy that does not include Jesus in it's manifesto. In which case the WWJD question is rather moot.

      You may consider that Christianity is the be all and end all of explaining the universe, but please remember that many people do not.

      And I am not trying to discredit *your* beliefs. Just that I think differently.

      Personally I think that some of Christianities beliefs are quite unstable, especially when it comes to trying to match the end of times with current political and world events. (I am actually worried that some people are trying to force a match)

      As per what Jesus said - no one will know when it comes.

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      I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
    2. Re:WWJD? by Demonspawn · · Score: 1

      Actually, he's all wrong. WWJD stands for: Who Wants Jack Daniels?

      --Demonspawn

    3. Re:WWJD? by handybundler · · Score: -1

      and the lyrics are:

      "I can prove it to you watch the rotation
      It all adds up to a funky situation." -- Public Enenmy

      If you can't quote lyrics properly, don't do it at all.

      --


      a/s/l here. Sorry, adding domain tags to your s
    4. Re:WWJD? by hettb · · Score: 0
      This world is getting scary.. with things like this the only way to really find a solution is to ask "What would jesus do?"

      Gun down abortion doctors? Give $300 tax rebates?

    5. Re:WWJD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duffman...torn...What would...jesus do :)

    6. Re:WWJD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      JW-RTFM

    7. Re:WWJD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WWJD? "Give away all your belongings to the poor, then come follow me." After this, you no longer need a bank, or even a Social Security Number. If it makes you feel a little better, drop by the local government office and throw a few tables around. So they get a little rattled. Eh! Just make sure you stay away from guys named Judas, and if you happen to spot any wooden objects that even faintly resemble a Big Plus Sign, turn around and begin walking at a fairly brisk pace in the opposite direction (seriously). The world is getting scary? Fear not.

    8. Re:WWJD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he would make the evil spirits in our police state leaders leave them and go into the bodies of pigs.

    9. Re:WWJD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Help me, Jeebus!

    10. Re:WWJD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes I wonder why God would bother stepping in to save our sorry butts. I prefer a political solution myself. I say, turn out all of the current members of congress, the current occupant of the whitehouse, put in people who aren't Demogogues or Republocrats, and get them to fire the megabureaucracy that wants to run our lives. Then get them to retire the current occupants of the Supreme court and replace them with people who plan to make the elected officials govern within the bounds of the constitution as it was written.

    11. Re:WWJD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go where the money is, next Sybase will release GenocideCompliance the new generation of DB for psychopathic dictators everywhere, Saddam says "It's the best! I got rid of my Kurdish problem in half the time it would have taken otherwise!", currently they are working with the US administration to hunt down Muslims, hackers, and anyone who mentions the lies and corruption of American business and politics! Get your FREE CD complete with video clips of the torture and murder that this new product has been instrumental in! Order now while stocks last!

    12. Re:WWJD? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      Personally I think that some of Christianities beliefs are quite unstable, especially when it comes to trying to match the end of times with current political and world events. (I am actually worried that some people are trying to force a match)
      Hummanity is unstable - its not just the Christian religion. Religions tend to have mechanisms in place that lend themselves to becoming, ultimately, destructive tools. Since its kind of on-topic... look no further than the various Islamic faiths for another example.
    13. Re:WWJD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's remember Jezus works for the biggest spy of them all, God, who knows everything you do, indeed every thought you have.

      This "god", who is perfectly good, whatever that means, will throw you into hell for fantasizing about sex with your friends' moms, but sits idly by while, to pick a current example, a five year old is raped and murdered in California, because He is Good.

      Sorry, no. Give it a rest Christians, Jews, Muslims, whatever.

    14. Re:WWJD? by Eminor · · Score: 1

      Hummanity is unstable - its not just the Christian religion. Religions tend to have mechanisms in place that lend themselves to becoming, ultimately, destructive tools. Since its kind of on-topic... look no further than the various Islamic faiths for another example.


      It's just too easy to be ignorant.

    15. Re:WWJD? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      Is it that ignorant people allow their religions to be hijacked for dubious goals? Or am I ignorant to believe that Islamic faith is just as susceptible as Christianity?

    16. Re:WWJD? by Eminor · · Score: 1

      It's not as if people are in control of how other people use their religion to manipulate people.

    17. Re:WWJD? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

      It's not as if people are in control of how other people use their religion to manipulate people.
      Certainly. But the followers of any religion DO have the ability to decide whether they will follow their religious leaders. Too many ignorant followers of ALL religions allow themselves to be lead down dark paths - even those contrary to their own supposed beliefs.

      Less you get the wrong idea, I'm not questioning the validity of Islam. I mention it because, like Christianity, it is one of the the world's most pervasive religions. I also include it because Islam is indirectly responsible for the PATRIOT act (this isn't a reaction to the actions of militant Wiccans).

      Allow me to restate my point - all religions have aspects of instability. It is a condition of humanity. After all, religion is a device of our own creation. Even if the basis of those religions came from divine intervention / inspiration, it is still recorded by the hand of man.
  2. American Citizen's option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Move back to Europe! We don't a PATRIOT act promoting to spy your neighbours, friends, employees, ...

    1. Re:American Citizen's option by blowdart · · Score: 2

      You know that in Europe banks have to report cash transactions over a certain size, and other "suspicous activities" to law enforcement? Europe already has that sort of "monitoring" in place to stop money laundering.

    2. Re:American Citizen's option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's only a temporary solution if US policy becomes infectious. No, we need at least some significant force in the government to _admit_ that the US Patriot Act went too far.

    3. Re:American Citizen's option by hettb · · Score: 0

      Not all European countries are the same, e.g. Liechtenstein probably doesn't have such legislation.

    4. Re:American Citizen's option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that this is really new, and e.g. countries like Austria were forced by the US to do so! Austria was even on an index with countries like Iraq, Libya, Syria, ... just because of that.

    5. Re:American Citizen's option by 2g3-598hX · · Score: 1

      You'll find that in all developed countries, including the USA, banks need to report large cash transactions to government agencies. I think the limit in the USA is about $10k?

    6. Re:American Citizen's option by blowdart · · Score: 1

      OK, sorry, EU countries. Except Liechtenstein and Switzerland :)

    7. Re:American Citizen's option by Moofie · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup. To make it mo' bettah, any time you carry a significant amount of cash, the DEA can sieze it without due process on the assumption that you're dealing drugs. Good luck getting it back.

      More:

      http://www.libertarianworld.com/Property-Seizure -R ights.html

      http://www.geocities.com/rab_cdg1/jones.htm

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    8. Re:American Citizen's option by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

      "You know that in Europe banks have to report cash transactions over a certain size, and other "suspicous activities" to law enforcement? Europe already has that sort of "monitoring" in place to stop money laundering."

      This has been done in the USA for years. IIRC, any cash withdrawal of $10K requires you to fill out a form that goes to the Feds... And I think the Patriot act LOWERS this limit...

      It seems to me what civil liberty the so-called "Drug War" hasn't destroyed this open-ended, never to be resolved "War on Terrorism" will finish off for good...

      --
      Corporatism != Free Market
    9. Re:American Citizen's option by 2g3-598hX · · Score: 1

      Cool...and then John Travolta, Halle Berry and Hugh Jackman steal the money made from these assets and use them to kill Osama Bin Laden...am i right?

    10. Re:American Citizen's option by 2g3-598hX · · Score: 1

      This stuff makes the stuff usually complained about on slashdot look like small bikkies indeed...war on drugs or war on minorities?

    11. Re:American Citizen's option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, we can choose between Socialist USA or Communist Europe..... how wonderful!

    12. Re:American Citizen's option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry? Europe is communist? This is the same Europe which is home to the Frankfurt stock exchange, one of the largest stock exchanges in the world?

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    1. Re:Slashdot censorship! Very serious please read! by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      While reading this crap which verifies itself that its ideas about slashdot are crap itself...

      I have an idea...

      What about banning those AC's IPs/Subnets from Slashdot? I mean the guys sending this crap post? It will be good for them too, than their wonderful bitching will have an excuse. :)

      If you are that much mad about those, dear moron AC flooders, why don't you dare to post via your own nick? Why are YOU reading/wasting your bandwidth with Slashdot than anyway?

      This is the 30'th story I figure this crap.

    2. Re:Slashdot censorship! Very serious please read! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      OH TEH HUMANITY!

    3. Re:Slashdot censorship! Very serious please read! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Yeah - blocking an IP/Subnet - that's a smart idea. They're absolutely unique and wouldn't harm anyone but the evildoer.

  4. Banks and Brokers by N8F8 · · Score: 2
    Compliance with the Act is required for Banks and Brokers by October 2002; non-compliance could lead to costly civil and criminal penalties.

    With extra power comes extra responsability.

    --
    "God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
    1. Re:Banks and Brokers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a difference between being responsible in your own actions and having "responsibility" dictated by someone else.

  5. Open Source could be next by l0rd · · Score: 1

    This is just plain scary and one of the reasons open source is the only way to go for enterprise (you could also say all) software. This sort of crap is much more difficult to put into open source programs.

    The even scarier thing to think about, is what happens when goverements want to make this sort of thing compulsary ? Then they'll have to go after open source projects, as this just doesn't work for them.

    It's a bit cliche but 1984 was a typo....

    1. Re:Open Source could be next by blowdart · · Score: 3

      OK how would open source help here?

      The banks and brokers are being forced to do this by October. They don't have a choice.

      So, what, if they use open source they won't have to? Is that your point? It may be more difficult to put that crap in, but
      a) Sybase arent hiding it
      b) That crap HAS to go in.

    2. Re:Open Source could be next by baldass_newbie · · Score: 1

      I think the better question for the Enterprise is whether Open Source can fill the bill.
      If I'm forced to comply, can I implement Open Source in such a way that someone won't figure out a way around it and I won't incur liability.
      I don't think non-compliance is an option. It is, after all, the law.

      --
      The opposite of progress is congress
    3. Re:Open Source could be next by rodgerd · · Score: 2

      How could Open Source help? Well, it may be that over there you're required to hand over this information to your spooks courtesy of the Police State Act. However, I'd like to make sure that products I'm using for non-US clients aren't busy (possibly illegally) disclosing information to the FBI.

  6. [xdfgf] Porn: WE ARE THE MILITARY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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    When I was growing up in Maryland, there was an adult bookstore not more
    than 10 minutes from my house. Being a military town, you can only imagine
    the numbers of hot, uniformed guys that would come in on a regular basis to
    get their rocks off. I have always been attracted to men in uniform, and
    the chance to suck their cocks, lick their holes, fuck or be fucked by them
    has always been a thrill.
    I can remember one particular day that stands out in my mind. It was a lazy
    summer day, and I was just itching to meet some new guys. Was hornier than
    I had been in a long time (less than 24 hours usually), and just wanted the
    excitement of sucking some good dick. So I pulled on my most comfortable
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    extremely muscular, but not a slug either.
    In any case I got in the car and drove down. When I pulled into the parking
    lot I could see that the store wasn't particularly busy, only about 5 other
    cars in the lot. I knew the one was the working manager's and the other's
    was not sure, but probably regulars. I went in, chatted with the clerk, got
    my tokens, and headed for the back. The back area was where they had the
    video booths. Some of the booths had glory holes cut into the walls, while
    they left a couple alone for those who were shy. I wandered around checking
    out the clientele, and noticed that there were a few military guys nervously
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    than the rest. I waited just until he latched the door, and I went into
    the adjacent booth.
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    that sweaty crack and started to tongue wash his hole. The lips of his
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  7. "Non-compliance is not an option" by Qender · · Score: 2, Funny

    We are the Borg, your species will be assimilated. Non-compliance is not an option.

    We will add your biological and technological
    distinctiveness to our own, however your technological distinctiveness will be filtered against our database and monitored.

  8. Is this really news? by r6144 · · Score: 1

    Every new requirement by the government like this will mean a lot of money to be made by relevent software companies. (And will it stimulate economy?)

    1. Re:Is this really news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Making life hard for everyone and adding new regulation does not stimulate the economy by anyone's imagination.

      The economy is stimulated by people doing productive work. Guys writing software that does nothing other than snoop on us isn't a net increase in wealth. And in the absence of this requirement, these guys could be writing code people would actually want.

    2. Re:Is this really news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a complete idiot. People like you are a danger to us all. Move to Vietnam or Cuba.

  9. sweet :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    it makes me only happy to sit back and watch the US fuck itself over!

    you shoulda picked gore. ;)

    (oh wait, you did!! hehe)

    welp, my bet is $1US to 0.9 euros within 5 years. and it's downhill from there, yankees. ;)

    1. Re:sweet :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you shoulda picked gore.

      Right, a liberal like Gore would have definitely limited the scope of government intrusion.
      Fucking idiot. Read deTocqueville before passing judgement. What socialized corner of the planet are you from?
      Got rights to lose?

  10. Don't buy it...... by mickwd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If your don't like this sort of stuff, stop buying (or considering) stuff from Sybase.

    And let them know your doing this.

    And why.

    1. Re:Don't buy it...... by nosphalot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But what about when my bank buys it? Or the bank that my employer uses buys it? Let me guess, I should change banks and then get a different job. Do you even know what software your bank uses? I don't, and I doubt they would tell me if asked.

  11. Slashdot is illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Under this new law, slashdot is illegal, the FBI is looking for cmdrTaco and Johnkatz right now! Don't forget they are also wanted for homosexual rape and peodphilla!

  12. [xdfgf] Porn: WE ARE THE MILITARY 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Of all the animals, the boy is the most unmanageable. -- Plato

    It was while I was in the Army, about 24 or 25 years old... a new
    lieutenant. To begin with, officers aren't supposed to fraternize with
    enlisted, of either sex, PERIOD.

    But one time I got drunk in the village (I was stationed in Asia), and came
    back to the post before curfew, since I hadn't scored a bar girl. The
    enlisted club was hopping, and since I was in civies (civilian clothes), I
    blended in with the other horny off-duty youngsters. The band was rocking
    better than usual, and the crowd was bigger and more fired up than usual,
    even for a weekend.

    Shortly after I arrived I went to the head (bathroom) to take a leak,
    nothing unusual there. I was bleeding my brakes over the communal urinal,
    pretty oblivious to anyone coming or going, and it was dark. About halfway
    through the exercise I felt a hand squeeze my right ass cheek, not once but
    twice before it registred in my besotted brain. I looked to my right, and
    saw this nice looking black kid standing there with his dick out (darn, I
    was so drunk I don't even remember what he was doing with it, peeing or
    stroking). My first thought was, "COOL", but my next thought was "who's
    behind us, or outside the door... WHO IS THIS GUY?" I got it together to
    say "Hey man, no thanks", and zipped it up and scurried out.

    I didn't really worry about it, and didn't look for him for the next hour
    until closing time. In the meantime I picked up a girl and took her back to
    the officers barracks, but she started to get loud and snotty, and I
    basically threw her out... nicely, to avoid a scene, and escorted her to
    the gate.

    On the way back I passed the same club, which was now closed and almost
    empty... except for the same black kid, standing on the steps watching me
    as I came up the path. I didn't turn my eyes away, but didn't stare at him
    either.. dunno what he saw in the bathroom that said it was cool to grab my
    ass, but when I didn't turn him in I guess he had me down. When I came
    abreast of the club entrance he sidled up and walked next to me for a few
    seconds, then said something I can't recall exactly, but suggestive. At
    that point the bitch was gone, my dick was hard, and this guy looked lean
    and tight, so I just said "Yes, let's go to my quarters".

    Since officers had single rooms I had some privacy, but we had to be
    careful. It was "unofficially" acceptable to have a girl in your room, but
    if someone heard a lot of moaning and so forth, and a GUY came out of the
    room... bad juju, b'wana. In this case, it was so late we got lucky and
    nobody saw us come into the building.

    Once we were in the room he must have seen I was a newbie, because he took
    over, telling me to strip to my shorts, and he did the same. Once we were
    semi-nude he pulled me down on top of him on the bed, and roughly kissed
    and fondled me, I was approaching a state of bliss I'd never felt, and he'd
    only started. He led us into sucking, 69, rimming, but before long he told
    me he wanted to fuck me. I'd only been fucked once since some early
    childhood experimentation. I would't have agreed except sucking him had
    made me so horny I was in a state of rapture.

    He wasted no time, and immediately pushed me down on my back, pulled my
    legs up, and positioned his raging hard-on at my hole. He took an extra
    minute to hurriedly finger my hole, but ran out of patience and began
    pushing the head of his cock past my sphincter muscle... this was in the
    70's before HIV, and we didn't bother with a condom. It hurt like a
    motherfucker, but he kept sweet-talking me, cradling my head between his
    hands while he buried his tongue in my throat, and his erection in my ass.

    When the pounding started, I was totally overwhelmed with stimulation...
    hehe, not to mention I was probably in an advanced state of alcohol
    narcosis. Between rounds of lip-wrestling, I sucked and chewed on his taut
    nipples... fringed with fine dark hair, but otherwise he was smooth, like
    me. He worked me over for 15 or 20 minutes, though quite honestly time had
    stopped so that's just a guess. I remember I wrapped my legs around his
    ribs and begged him to fuck me harder and deeper... but the rest is a blur
    until he came in my ass, and collapsed on my chest.

    He told me I was hot and sexy and we lay there for awhile until he asked me
    what I wanted him to do now.. since I was still hard and hadn't cum so far
    that night. I asked him for a blow job, and before I knew what was
    happening, he dived on my pecker and gobbled it down his throat. There I
    was on my back, spread-eagled, getting voracious head from a young black
    stud who'd just cum in my hard hot ass... needless to say, I didn't last
    long. He took the load in his mouth, licked the spillage off my stomach,
    and then pinned me to the bed with his body and stuck his tongue down my
    throat. We snuggled for an hour or two until about sunrise, when curfew
    lifted. Then he got dressed and left quietly.

  13. Come on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    IF you geeks stoped having sex with goats then this shit wouldn't happen!

  14. And the best part is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Nobody does a fu*king thing about it!!

    Revolt now - tomorrow you'll be in jail for posession of computer programs anyway.

  15. The trolls need YOU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Your help is requested:t

    As many of slashdot's regular readers know, VA Software - owner of this weblog - are in big financial trouble. With the current volatility in the stock-market and downturn in the US economy, there can be little hope of saving anything from the wreckage of VA Linux. It is highly unlikely that slashdot could be sold to another company - the weblog market is overcrowed and the manifest failure of the moderation/karma system will surely seal its fate.

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  16. Who's Sybase? by BertMan · · Score: 0

    Who's Sybase? Do they still make a product? That's what people in CS classes will be asking when they're learning about the history of IT 10 years from now.

  17. HEY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    What happened to kuro5hin? I can read it. Is it down? please reply, thx.

    1. Re:HEY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I guess that $80,000 didn't buy enough cocaine
      to keep the site for more than a few weeks.

    2. Re:HEY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      k5 was bought? for 80k? by whom?

  18. What you can do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Your help is requested:

    As many of slashdot's regular readers know, VA Software - owner of this weblog - are in big financial trouble. With the current volatility in the stock-market and downturn in the US economy, there can be little hope of saving anything from the wreckage of VA Linux. It is highly unlikely that slashdot could be sold to another company - the weblog market is overcrowed and the manifest failure of the moderation/karma system will surely seal its fate.

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  19. This is the last chance for us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Your help is requested:

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    That is where you - the reader - step in, slashdot's trolls will soon no longer be needed by Microsoft and will be looking for new jobs: they need your help. Please post possible career options in a reply to this message. We wouldn't be able to offer a cruiser as a prize this time but the best suggestions will win a copy of Windows XP.

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  20. Not So Bad by m_evanchik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While theoretically troubling, this really isn't that horrific. The Federal Government just doesn't have the resources to persecute a lot of people. There have been various reporting requirements on financial transactions for quite a while. These new requirements are not coming out of the blue.

    People also tend to forget that we are fighting a war. It's fine to be snide and cynical, but American troops are in combat abroad right now.

    That all being said, I doubt these reporting requirements will do much to stop terrorism. The evidence is mounting that our failure to stop past terrorism was not due to a lack of power or resources, but due to ineffective leadership and incompetence. All the information in the world won't help our government agencies who in the past have shown a frightening lack of intelligence.

    And I don't trust Ashcroft. He's grandstanding to score political points without actually achieving any worthwhile results. Of all the thousands of suspects rounded up and detained on suspicion of terrorism, only a handful have been charged with anything terrorist related, and all of those charged are pretty much low-level dupes (Lindh, Massaoui (sp?), etc.).

    Let's face it, anyone competent enough to pull off a real terrorist attack is also probably competent enough to know about and know how to circumvent these reporting requirements. The only people caught by these new rules will be the stupid and the uninformed, both of which may be up to no good, or more likely just unaware that they are doing anything wrong.

    Our country is at war and it is deadly serious. I just wonder if our biggest impediment to victory might be certain political hacks like Ashcroft who now find themselves in positions of unexpected power, with the ability to further agendas beside winning the war on terrorism.

    Maybe we all ought to start exercising our Second Amendment rights, which seems to be the only ones he finds sacrosanct.

    Come and get me coppers!

    (Huh? What's that knocking on the door?) = ^ &

    1. Re:Not So Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People also tend to forget that we are fighting a war. ... Our country is at war and it is deadly serious.

      Gee, really? Maybe I shouldn't let my wife travel there on her vacation then? You guys are "at war" only because it's convenient to score brownie points with strong words.

    2. Re:Not So Bad by Lordfly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1) We're not at war. Congress never declared war. Congress MUST declare an act of war against a country in order to be in a state of war. Simply saying ad nauseum in speech rhetoric about the "war on terrorism" does not make the nation at war.

      2) Ashcroft is quite possibly the scariest person alive, in my opinion. He might be grandstanding, but his actions since taking office has shown to me that he would rather just throw away the Constitution; makes his life easier.

      3) American troops have been in "combat" for like the past 20 years, doing "peacekeeping" missions. That doesn't change the fact that the PATRIOT bill infringes upon your privacy hardcore.

      I'm really quite sick of people saying that "dammit, we're in a war, stop badmouthing the government or else." Who are we fighting, exactly?

      Too bad everyone's too busy following the government's lead to really do anything.

      *reads post over*

      Man, I sound like a conspiracy theorist at 8 in the morning :)

      Lordfly

      --
      hookers and grits.
    3. Re:Not So Bad by hachete · · Score: 1

      Who's to say that the transactions monitored will not belong to a political opponent?

      Who's to say that Ashcroft doesn't hanker after a database that describes his domestic political enemies to the last little detail? Exhuming Hoover?

      --
      Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious
    4. Re:Not So Bad by sillydragon · · Score: 1

      People also tend to forget that we are fighting a war. It's fine to be snide and cynical, but American troops are in combat abroad right now.

      Ummm, so, we're going to locate Al-Qaeda troops and bunkers and such by watching for financial transactions?

      Quick! Over there! Someone just used an Al-Qaeda-linked credit card to order a pizza from that foxhole! Get 'im!

    5. Re:Not So Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this comment is just plain offtopic. this comment does not relate to the story at hand (sybase) at all. this comment should be modded down offftopic. editors, please do your job, if you think any and all offtopic comments should be modded down.

    6. Re:Not So Bad by m_evanchik · · Score: 2

      Congress does not need to make an explicit resolution for us to be in a state of war.

      Since WWII, the US has not made a formal declaration of war. We still, very rightly, give the name of "war" to the conflicts in Kuwait, Korea and Vietnam.

      Granted, knowing exactly who to fight is a tricky question. We do, however, know that we have been attacked. The Twin Towers did not fall over on their own.

      I believe in the good faith of our government, even of men like Ashcroft. I just wonder at their judgement and competence.

      It is a losing argument to say there are not compelling reasons for vigilance since 9/11. The most effective argument against increased government surveillance is that it is counter-productive.

      There is an enemy, the proof of that is the rubble cleaned from downtown Manhattan. The elusive nature of that enemy requires intelligence to combat. Intelligence does not only come from increased information. I am afraid that too much energy is being spent on gathering vast amounts of useless data.

      Don't argue the existence of the conflict, argue that the war is being ineffectively fought on the home front.

    7. Re:Not So Bad by thales · · Score: 2
      "We're not at war. Congress never declared war. Congress MUST declare an act of war against a country in order to be in a state of war. Simply saying ad nauseum in speech rhetoric about the "war on terrorism" does not make the nation at war."

      ad nauseum denials that the resoulation congress passed authorizing the war on terror dosen't mean that the US isn't in a state of war simply because the words declration of war were absent. There wasn't a nation of Al Qaeda to issuse a formal declration against, nor was it clear which nations are supporting Al Qaeda.

      The Resoulation-
      JOINT RESOLUTION

      To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

      Whereas on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens;

      Whereas such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad;

      Whereas in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence;

      Whereas such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and

      Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States; Now, therefore, be it

      Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

      SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

      This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force'.

      SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

      (a) That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

      (b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

      (1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

      (2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supercedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

      Take careful note that this was passed under authority of the War Powers Resolution. The attacks on September 11 were also declared an act of War by the NATO alliance triggering sections of the mutal defense treaty against an attack on a member nations home territory.

      The idea that a formal declration has to be passed by Congress is rather new. There was no resoulation passed containing the words "declration of war" during the Naval war with France, The war against the Barbry states, The various Indian wars, The US Civil War, The Philipine insurrection, The Korean War, or the Viet Nam War, rather there were resoulations authorizing the wars passed by Congress as per the Constitution.

      The war on Terror is simply the latest in a series of wars that the USA has fought with the authorization of Congress. Article 1 section 8 of the US Constitution gives Congress the power to "To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;" but does require that a resoulation declaring war follow any specific format, and the resoulation regarding the present war follows the precedents set in authorizing past wars.

      --
      Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est
    8. Re:Not So Bad by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Federal Government just doesn't have the resources to persecute a lot of people.

      Trying to avoid Godwin's here, but it's hard.

      What are you smoking? The US government has a budget of over 2 trillion dollars a year. Do you have any concept of how much money that is?

      If every byte on your hard disk were one dollar, it would be 2 terabytes.

      If you wanted to count that much money, counting 1 dollar bill per second, it would take about 64 thousand years.

      It's 2 million million dollars.

      So year, they have enough resources to throw the whole IT industry in jail on a whim, or to say... throw all of any religion they don't like into jail.

      --
      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    9. Re:Not So Bad by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

      "That all being said, I doubt these reporting requirements will do much to stop terrorism. The evidence is mounting that our failure to stop past terrorism was not due to a lack of power or resources, but due to ineffective leadership and incompetence. All the information in the world won't help our government agencies who in the past have shown a frightening lack of intelligence."

      What is happening is that the government types are pushing intrusive, inconvienent, ineffective (but psychologically reassuring) security at airports to LOOK like they are doing something...

      This instead of examining the background of the thousands of middle eastern Muslim male immigrants, or "students" in this country. 95% of terrorist attacks against Americans have been carried out by these people.

      Yes, the Arab groups squeal. But, I have a message for the world:

      IMMIGRATION TO THE UNITED STATES IS A PRIVILEDGE, NOT A RIGHT!

      I don't have a "right" to emigrate to Saudi Arabia and start setting up Christian Churches, do I?

      So, in the name of PC, we strip search 80 year old grandmothers in airports, and let 18-45 year old Muslim male non citizens breeze through, ignoring that 100% of the 9/11 hijackers were of that demographic.

      On the other end, the "big brother" and "law enforcement establishment" types are using this crisis, this TRAGEDY, the deaths of thousands of innocents, as a way to gain more power to intrude than the "Drug War" ever could have justified...

      The lessons we need to learn from this is:

      1. Take foreign countries and groups making threats against the USA SERIOUSLY (China is next). 9/11 happened because we have been FAR too complacent about Islamic terrorism for too long.

      2. The "1984" crowd will exploit ANY crisis to make bad laws that will haunt us far longer than the name Osama Bin Laden.

      --
      Corporatism != Free Market
    10. Re:Not So Bad by cduffy · · Score: 1

      It is a losing argument to say there are not compelling reasons for vigilance since 9/11.

      "Vigilance" is well and good -- until it infringes upon the rights of those whom it purports to protect. Once upon a time, it was understood that Americans would voluntarily risk their lives to protect their freedoms -- and, when push came to shove, Americans did just that. Today, we willingly give up these rights so many fought and died for in misguided self-defense.

      I am shamed by all too many of those who call themselves my countrymen -- shamed because the ideals I thought my country stood for are so easily forgotten in the face of a single criminal act. Certainly, this country has enemies -- it always has. That is not to say that any infringements upon the rights of the public as a whole are necessary to pursue those enemies, or (if such infringements are necessary) that the benefit is worth the cost.

      In short: I would gladly die in another terrorist attack (or, better yet, trying to prevent one -- events of 9/11 might have gone quite differently if the flying public had been armed even as well as the terrorists) if doing so would help to keep my country free. If you cannot fathom making such a sacrifice -- you, sir, are a coward.

    11. Re:Not So Bad by tumbaumba · · Score: 1

      People also tend to forget that we are fighting a war. It's fine to be snide and cynical, but American troops are in combat abroad right now.

      So, why don't they go home. This, so called "war", will not archive anything and is just a waste of money and justification for the goverment to suppress human rights in its own contry.
      What should be done is to stop supporting reppresive goverments thoughout the world. Look, face it, Bush is not just stupid, he is a childish.

    12. Re:Not So Bad by be-fan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Death is preferable to moral bankruptcy. The minute we decide that security is preferable to ethical behavior, we lose the right to say we are the greatest democracy in the world.

      --
      A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
    13. Re:Not So Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      People also tend to forget that we are fighting a war.

      Give me a fucking break. We got attacked by: 1) 19 guys with boxcutters, whose "highly sophisticated coordination" consisted of buying plane tickets on Yahoo Travel and boarding with perfectly legal carryons; 2) A shoebomb guy who forgot to bring a working lighter for his cannon fuse, and 3) A dirty-bomb guy who had no bomb, no materials, no actual plan...what did he do again?

      In response to 19 people with sharp objects and rudimentary piloting skills, we've bombed the crap out of Afghanistan and ousted a government. Entirely appropriate, imo. But now, because of those 19 guys, we're overturning the freedoms that hundreds of thousands of men have died to defend? What the fuck is wrong with us?

    14. Re:Not So Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Death is preferable to moral bankruptcy. The minute we decide that security is preferable to ethical behavior, we lose the right to say we are the greatest democracy in the world.

      I agree with your first statement.

      However, with all due respect, I think it is highly debatable whether you can call the US, or any country for that matter, the "greatest democracy in the world". I've lived in the US as well as several democratic European countries. Each place has its pros and cons. The fact that the US was the first successful modern democracy, and thus set an example for the world to follow, does not make it any better or worse than the others -- just different.

    15. Re:Not So Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Huh? What's that knocking on the door?)

      I think you'll find it's Barnacle Bill the sailor.

    16. Re:Not So Bad by Glytch · · Score: 2

      And the hell of it is that most of those hijackers weren't even from Afganistan. They were from Saudi Arabia. Afganistan just happens to be a conveniently located, militarily-weak country for President Cheney's oil company to run a pipeline through once a puppet government was set up.

      Granted, the Taliban weren't exactly on Amnesty International's best-loved list, but the ends don't justify the means.

    17. Re:Not So Bad by m_evanchik · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      So which branch of the armed forces are you a member of? How are you putting your life at risk for your country?

      Or, as I suspect, do you find it easier to claim patriotic bravery than to practice it?

    18. Re:Not So Bad by m_evanchik · · Score: 2

      For all the money the federal government spends, it is widely dispersed and little of it is discretionary.

      For a somewhat detailed accounting of the federal budget, go here or here.

      For a bird's eye view, go here

      Of that 2 thousand thousand thousand thousand dollars, about 30 thousand thousand thousand dollars can go under the general heading of "administration of justice".

      So there are not unlimited funds available.

      Just look at the case against Lindh. Here was a guy, caught red-handed fighting for the Taliban. THe Attorney General publically villifies him, and the Justice department has to settle for a plea bargain on technicalities.

      The government has great power and there is potential for abuse of that power, but it is nowhere near omnipotent.

    19. Re:Not So Bad by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Yes, but a large chunk goes to military (30%?), and when it comes down to it, that is a weapon that can be wielded against the US public if necessary.

      --
      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    20. Re:Not So Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Jeez, you missed the point. If there's one thing 9/11 made clear, it's that we're all on the front lines. That's why so many people are wetting their pants and giving up their freedoms, while a few people are saying, "fuck that, I'll keep my freedoms, and if that means terrorists kill me then so be it."

      This is a war that can come to you, and if it does it will be up to you to fight back. The military, most likely, won't be there. People fought back on the fourth 9/11 flight, they fought that shoe-bomb moron, and an unarmed civilian tackled the recent airport shooter.

    21. Re:Not So Bad by be-fan · · Score: 2

      I'm not necessarily saying that the U.S. is the greatest. It's my country so I've got a bit of a bias. But at least right now we're in the running :)

      --
      A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
    22. Re:Not So Bad by cduffy · · Score: 1

      A reasonable criticism -- but I'm not asking people to go out and join the armed forces; indeed, I don't support military actions my government takes which are other than strictly defensive in nature. I'm simply asking people to protect their rights with their voices and with their votes, even when failure to do so is painted as inviting a mortal threat.

      I can't particularly claim bravery -- there've been few times when I've knowingly put myself in harm's way for some high cause -- but nor am I among the cowards (and I've met more than a few) who puts no other value above their own life. That's all I can reasonably ask of anyone.

    23. Re:Not So Bad by m_evanchik · · Score: 2

      The military gets about 15% ($300 billion) of the federal budget. Most of these moneys go to paying soldiers salaries and benefits or to weapons systems unsuited to quelling domestic disturbance.

      I don't see the US military getting involved in quelling dissenters to any considerable degree. This is not South America.

      There have been instances where US National Guard troops have responded to domestic rioters or dissenters. These instances (Kent State, LA OJ Simpson Riots, "Bonus Army" riots in 1932 (scroll down)) have been of limited scope and usually warranted.

      I'm not worried about US troops being used for wholesale domestic pacification. We're not anywhere close to having to worry about such a scenario.

    24. Re:Not So Bad by stephanruby · · Score: 1
      The Federal Government just doesn't have the resources to persecute a lot of people.

      The Federal Government can make citizens persecute other citizens. In that regard, it is extremely powerful and it can affect many of us.

    25. Re:Not So Bad by ionpro · · Score: 1

      You aren't worried about troops being used for wholesale domestic pacification? What about the 101st airborne's "invasion" of Little Rock in 1963? Sounds a lot like the army being used for domestic pacification to me.

    26. Re:Not So Bad by m_evanchik · · Score: 2

      I was actually thinking of including this one in the list I made earlier.

      This episode is not terribly alarming.

      Firstly, the troops were there for a "good cause": letting some black kids go to a white school.

      Also, the federal troops where only called in after the governor sent in National Guard troops (supposedky to stop rioting by white mobs), a presence that was later countermanded by a federal judge.

      So I don't think this episode indicates that our civil liberties are endangered by the armed forces.

      In fact, this epidode shows that federal troops can be important in protecting our civil liberties, unless you are a white racist from Arkansas :~|

    27. Re:Not So Bad by bungo · · Score: 2

      Right on!

      Freedom or death!

      Umm... of course, it would be ok if it's your death? I mean, I'm all for retoric and all that, it's just that I'm rather attached to life, so if someone has to die for this, I'd prefer it was you, not me.

      I have other causes for which I'm willing to die for, like saving the Earth from intergalatic space aliens. So, if it's ok with you, could you be the one that dies, preferable a horrible, painfull public death - all the better for the cause.

      What, you didn't really mean it? You're not willing to die for my rights?

      Bugger.

      Do you know someone else who will?

      --
      "The best part? I became an ordained minister while not wearing pants." -- CleverNickName
  21. This is starting to get out of hand... by ivpiter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although in troubled times restrictions are necessary I fully believe that "In times of emergency, restrictions on the freedom of the individual and imposed in the real or assumed interest of the community. We hold it to be essential that such restrictions be confined to a minimum of clearly specified actions ; that they be understood to be temporary and limited expedients in the nature of a sacrafice ; and that the measures restricting freedom be themseles subject to the free criticism and democratic control . Only thus can we have a reasonable assurance that emergency measures restricting individual freedom will not be degenerate into a permanent tyranny." - sec. 7 of the manifesto of the Congress for Cultural Freedom published in 1951 In was true then and it is true now. The steps of government and corporations that seek to influence the gov be be in the light, and not hidden, espically under the guise of "protecting the people". Peace folks,

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    1. Re:This is starting to get out of hand... by Angry+Toad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. That's what I personally find so scary about all of this. Of course we have to be more vigilant right now - anyone who doesn't think there's a truly serious threat is deluding themselves, and it is pretty hard to come down against the government for making changes that allow them to more easily track down the bad guys.

      That being said, where is the out? The War Against Terror will never be over, because terror (read: asymmetrical warfare) is the weapon of the disempowered against the powerful. As long as literally billions of people on the planet don't have clean drinking water, let alone access to education and so on, then there will be an endless supply of rage to feed the other end of the process.

      They have us between a rock and a hard place - it is very hard to argue against harsh measures to weed out the terrorists ("but why do you want to make things easy for them?") but on the other hand that means we're supporting the creation of a de facto police state (and I don't think that's entirely hyperbole) with no discernable way of ever getting things back to normal again.

      After all, politicians just love to give up power once they have it.

    2. Re:This is starting to get out of hand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was only a matter of time until the US became a police state. We have a population that is too large to be easily handeled. The politico (God bless 'em, they fight for our thraldom -er freedom everyday) should be given absolute control and our democracy should be replaced by something that suits what out founding fathers really wanted (large government contracts).

      But there are other things that need to be done to preserve our great nation. Terrorist literature must be removed from our libraries and schools, while new Liberty Camps will be build to show our nation how things are done.

      Thank you all, and God bless.

    3. Re:This is starting to get out of hand... by hachete · · Score: 1

      the Congress for Cultural Freedom was run by the CIA from 1950 till 1967/

      See "Who paid the Piper", Frances Stoner Saunders.

      Who said irony was dead?

      h.

      "The way to carry out good propaganda is never to appear to be carrying it out at all"

      Richard Crossman.

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    4. Re:This is starting to get out of hand... by DreamingReal · · Score: 2
      Of course we have to be more vigilant right now - anyone who doesn't think there's a truly serious threat is deluding themselves, and it is pretty hard to come down against the government for making changes that allow them to more easily track down the bad guys.

      I am more vigilant now as there is a serious threat - I am watching my government more closely than I ever have because the threat they pose to my liberty has never been greater.

      As horrific as watching planes crash into towers is, I would rather ride a crumbling building down 100 stories than live in the United Police State of America.

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    5. Re:This is starting to get out of hand... by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      Define "emergency". We were attacked by terrorists that's true. About three thousand people died and that's tragic. None of this is enough of an "emergency" to warrant a reduction in freedom. More then three thousand people die every week from smoking, car accidents etc.

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    6. Re:This is starting to get out of hand... by Myco · · Score: 2
      "The War Against Terror will never be over, because terror (read: asymmetrical warfare) is the weapon of the disempowered against the powerful. As long as literally billions of people on the planet don't have clean drinking water, let alone access to education and so on, then there will be an endless supply of rage to feed the other end of the process."

      I regret that I have no mod points to spend on this -- I think it's the most succinct statement of the problem with the War on Terror I've ever heard. Nicely put.

    7. Re:This is starting to get out of hand... by Storm+Damage · · Score: 1

      Three thousand people dying every week from smoking and car accidents don't generally take 8 billion worth of well-developed downtown Manhattan real-estate with them.

      THAT'S the real emergency. Population grows back in a few years...skyscrapers cost a lot of money, and are expected to last hundreds.

    8. Re:This is starting to get out of hand... by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      A good hurricane or an earthquake can easily cause 8 billion worth of damage. A draught or a flood can do the same thing. You don't see people calling for restricting freedoms whenever aan hurricane happens do you?

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    9. Re:This is starting to get out of hand... by Storm+Damage · · Score: 1

      Not at all, but Institutional logic and philosophy assumes that Acts of God are not preventablle, but Acts of Man are. You can't really blame a hurricane on someone the same way you can blame a plane crash. Governmental organizations tend to take the view that if blame can be assigned to a phenomenon, then it can be prevented (by assigning the blame before it happens, I guess). I'm not sure if I agree, but that's the way it is.

  22. Sound Familiar Michael? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    The moderation system passed which affect users karma and posting abilities are mostly opaque to Joe User. Sllort's journal sheds a little bit of light on what is going on behind the scenes.

    And for the record, this is not a troll or offtopic. I am illustrating the hypocrisy that the editors show when they complain about systems that are non-transparent when their own system is much the same.

    1. Re:Sound Familiar Michael? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      i must protest the moderation of this comment as offtopic. it is not offtopic, as anybody with half a brain can tell. it's a topical editorial comment, which the editors seem to not like.

  23. The PRAT act? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Just remember people... Under the new act, anyone who speaks out against Bush will be branded a terrorist & monitored....

    Scared yet?

    The CIA etc already had enough power to stop sept 11th, they just didn't care... They were even warned 3 weeks before hand by the British!

    The PATRIOT act has NOTHING to do with terrorism - it's just about controlling what you do by paranoia and FUD. Bush wanted to spy on *YOU*, not anyone else or he'd have made it a foreign policy, not a domestic one.

    p.s. To americans: Regardless of what you read, there aren't thousands of terrorist plots against you... The government are leading you on, so you'll take whatever they want to give you next... Now bend over and take it like a good patriot... go on... It won't hurt... much.

    1. Re:The PRAT act? by /dev/trash · · Score: 1
      Just remember people... Under the new act, anyone who speaks out against Bush will be branded a terrorist & monitored...

      Really? You mean all the Democrats and non-Republicans in the US have been rounded up and shot?

    2. Re:The PRAT act? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* To americans: Regardless of what you read, there aren't thousands of terrorist plots against you... The government are leading you on, so you'll take whatever they want to give you next *)

      Well, there probably *are* lots of terrorist plots. The US makes a great scapegoat for the disaffected. The issue is whether such legislation will make any difference.

      Plus, terrorists may use the very technology against us. I have seen nothing which prevents hackers nor terrorists from using the same minitoring tools for their own benefit and destruction purposes. Can the FBI guarentee that ONLY the FBI can use such monitoring devices?

  24. Umm .. It's *compulsary* by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    Sybase isn't putting this in because they feel it's the next big thing from their marketing department. They are offering it because Dubya decreed via the USA PATRIOT act that institutions *have* to do this sort of thing. Sybase are only responding to a government created market.

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  25. "at war" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What country is the U.S.A. "at war" with?

  26. Highlights Sybase's Lax approach to security by dazdaz · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The functionality advertised should already of been part of Sybase, which leads me to wonder if it's actually any good in terms of security.

    No doubt, Ballmer will make Windows Patriot compliant, and score political brownie points in doing so.

    This is another factor to taking away our democracy, people, do you see it yet?

  27. Laws are Passed by Congress by baldass_newbie · · Score: 1

    "Dubya decreed via the USA PATRIOT act..."

    Um, it was passed by Congress. That's the House of Representatives and the Senate. The President then signed it into Law.
    You really should learn about how the U.S. Government works before making assertions that are false.
    Hasn't been a decree in the U.S. since George III (although FDR came close a couple of times.)
    I'm not saying the Patriot Act is a good thing. I think some of it is stupid, illegal and downright sleazy. It was NOT, however, passed by fiat.

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    1. Re:Laws are Passed by Congress by jd142 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually all presidents have used the power of the Executive Order. It bypasses congress and allows the president to a law. For example, Bill Clinton executed an executive order lowering the allowed level of arsenic in drinking water. Bush changed that order. President Bush issued an executive order that contradicted the 1978 Presidential Records Act, a law passed by congress. The law would have required records of the Reagan White House to be released 12 years after that president left office. Bush also used an executive order to establish the office of homeland security. So parts of Bush's "anti-terrorism" package were enacted through what amounts to presidential fiat, the executive order. The next president will obviously be able to undo any and all presidential orders, just each congress can repeal the laws passed by the previous congress. I believe executive orders can also be ruled unconsitutional.

      I am sure Clinton signed some executive orders I disagree with and I'm sure Bush must have signed some I agree with, but these examples were both in the news at the time and they are the ones I remember.

      For more information about the checks and balances of the American government, check out your local library or go on-line and visit:

      And that's One to Grow On.

    2. Re:Laws are Passed by Congress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      executive order in 1952 created the NSA

      congress is not allowed to know how many employees are in the NSA, or what their budget is

  28. Support Networks by N8F8 · · Score: 2

    Much of what has been done has been done to disrupt terrorist support networks. Money, training and housing. Without these the terrorists will have a much harder time. If you read detailed accounts of what terrorists went through on their way from teenager to terrorist it becomes evident that support networks were in place across the world for at least a decade.

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  29. Free World (tm) by Otis_INF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reading this and putting the 'vision' (if you can call it that) of the USA's government in perspective, you start to wonder why the USA still are calling themselves "Leader of the Free World". Must be a different definition of 'Free' than I have...

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    1. Re:Free World (tm) by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 1

      Heh.

      It's "Free" as in "Fascism".

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    2. Re:Free World (tm) by loucura! · · Score: 1

      That's easy, the first one is free.. or 10% off, what have you, but the next one will cost you.

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    3. Re:Free World (tm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Should be the "FREE!!!" in all caps, with multiple exclamation marks, such as seen on AOL CDs and in Infomercials, that tells you when you're about to be ripped off.

    4. Re:Free World (tm) by kadehje · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The USA focuses on freedom because it's how the government pushes its agenda on the masses. The USA, like every other nation, has never been a truly free country. Instead, the US picks an evil contrary to the government's desires and urges its citizens to attack it by saying that eliminating that evil will lead to a Free(tm)-er America.

      In 1775, residents of the "13 colonies" began to take up arms against Great Britain. At the beginning of the war, the gripes against the British Crown were primarily commerical, such as being allowed to buy tea only from one Crown-backed company and having to pay what they felt were ridiculous taxes on this tea and many other goods traded throughout the colonies. In April 1775, things like freedom of speech weren't a very important issue; those in North America just wanted the Crown to get the fsck out of of affairs that were previously left to the colonies to deal with internally.

      When it became clear that it would be useless to extract these commerce-based concessions from the Crown, by the middle of 1776, the colonists began to move towards secession from the British Empire. They knew that they would not be able to sucessfully fight the war by themselves, so they needed help somehow. They drafted the Declaration of Independence, which detailed a set of ideals that the newly created United States would aspire to. In addition to solidifying the patriots' side (many in the would-be U.S. were sympathetic to the Crown at the beginning of the war), they managed to gain support from British people and companies who felt that the Crown's hunger for power was once again out of control (Britain's "Glorious Revolution" against royal tyranny had taken place 90 years previously). Ultimately, these ideals, along with existing distate for Britain, encouraged France to enter the war on the side of the colonists. So, it can be argued that the Declaration of Independence was as pragmatic a device as it was idealistic.

      Did the newly created United States become a free nation? Largely so, provided you were a wealthy white male. Women and the poor were judged to be unqualified to handle the responsibilities of democracy; and blacks, almost all of whom were slaves at that time, were judged to be so lowly ranked in the animal kingdom that in addition to not being worthy of participating in the "democratic" government, counted as only 3/5 of an oppressed white person in the decennial census.

      Fast forward 75 years to the Civil War. This time around, even wealthy white males weren't spared the shaft of tyranny. You may recall that self-determination was one of the major rallying cries in the Revolutionary War. So South Carolina, along with about a dozen other states, determines that its time to secede from the Northern states, just as the United States seceded from Britain. Well, we all know about how the folks in Washington D.C. felt about that decision. Especially the Maryland legislature, who were ordered to be arrested by President Lincoln without being accused of a criminal act (blatantly violating the "habeus corpus" provision of the Constitution) before they could convene and vote to secede from the Union. That's Freedom(tm) at work.

      Northern opposition to slavery was again a largely pragmatic belief; the climate of the northern states wasn't very conducive to the slave-intensive agriculture found in the South and the new industries in the North required educated labor that would not tolerate the idea that they would be bound to the whims of a single master for their entire lives. So, Northern factory owners were forced to give a few crumbs and a few liberties to their employees; these factory owners were upset that they could not keep 100% of their factories' profits as plantation owners did. So, they led the crusade to "free" the slaves on these plantations in order for Northern and Southern businesses to run in the same set of economic rules. As in the Revolutionary War, the peddling of these ideas was also important to ensuring a favorable external political situation. In the early part of the Civil War, Great Britain seriously considered coming to the aid of the Confederacy. But then, the U.S. government managed to convince London that this war was not about economics; it was about bringing Freedom to oppressed slaves on plantations. Britain stayed out, allowing the North to take two years to get its military together (the South had nearly won the war by 1863) and rout the Confederacy.

      As you all know, the years since 1865 have also been a sham in terms of giving true freedom to Americans. I just wanted to point out that the United States has always, from the time of its founding, been hypocrital regarding freedom. The hypocrisy predates the Red Scare, McCarthyism, Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No!" campaign, and it certainly predates September 11, 2001.

      Hopefully these examples illustrate the true meaning of the concept of Freedom(tm) and how it differs from true freedom.

    5. Re:Free World (tm) by /dev/trash · · Score: 1
      Reading this and putting the 'vision' (if you can call it that) of the USA's government in perspective, you start to wonder why the USA still are calling themselves "Leader of the Free World". Must be a different definition of 'Free' than I have...

      Oh yeah oops, I can't go out side and do anything without permission. Or write a letter to the newpaper. All my freedoms are gone.

    6. Re:Free World (tm) by FattMattP · · Score: 2

      Maybe they mean free as in free beer not as in free speech.

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    7. Re:Free World (tm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah oops, I can't go out side and do anything without permission.

      Except if you're black, or arab, or a large corp dislikes what you're doing and sues your ass...

      Or write a letter to the newpaper.

      Any newspaper with real coverage carefully screens it's letters and content. True for (almost) all media. Remember 911? A CNN reporter onboard one of the planes was using her cellphone to report the incident - possibly the first alarm of it - and after a day, that story disappeared. The press is only as free as the govt lets it be.

      All my freedoms are gone.

      No, but the important ones are dwindling fast. Maybe you're confusing yourself with a large corporation...

    8. Re:Free World (tm) by Luyseyal · · Score: 2

      hrm, so what would "true freedom" be, exactly? Freedom from Freedom[tm]'s hypocrisy? is it that the Bill of Rights doesn't have enough rights listed in it or that they aren't consistently enforced/supported?

      -l

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  30. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod parent up

  31. magic lamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this an attempt at packaging software that either automatically includes Carnivor, or allows for the virus-like installation program "Magic Lamp" (which was finaly admitted by the Gov'mint to exist) without it triggerering virus alerts?

    Let me guess. Any american with nothing to hide wont object to PATRIOT? Only terrorists should fear carnivor? Wonder just how much hype will be issued?

  32. Be a PATRIOT by WCMI92 · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    The government is good, it is god

    Report your family's crimes.

    The State is all powerful

    Report your friend's crimes.

    Resistance is Futile

    Report your neighbor's crimes.

    Privacy is UNAMERICAN

    Pay no attention to the face scanning spy cameras in your neighborhood.

    Open source is TERRORISM

    Your crimes won't need to be reported. The SWAT team is already on the way.

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    1. Re:Be a PATRIOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TIPS - Its now easier than ever to report your neighbor - http://www.citizencorps.gov/tips.html

  33. The pragmatic viewpoint by dacap · · Score: 1

    The American government will not, indeed cannot, actively monitor the terabytes of data this act will generate. They are far too busy just trying to keep their collective heads above water. Ten years of "peace dividend" has taken its toll in staff reductions, atrophied skills, no operations, and no training. Do you remember the mid 90s when several U.S. congressmen questioned whether we even needed the CIA and other intelligence organizations?

    I expect that the resulting database will not useful for finding terrorists in real time. However, once a suspected terrorist is known by other means, be it hours, days, weeks, or months later, they will be able to search through the data for his or her trail to provide proof or refutation, as appropriate. Better yet, the search should also show the tie-ins to the others of a terrorist's organization so we can pursue the whole lot.

    This kind of trade-off between increasing security at the price of privacy is a good one, IMO, and has has commonly been made in times of war for at least the last 200 years. That said, the trade-off is still a risk. We must remain vigilant and pick our government leaders carefully so that those in power will dismantle the process when the threat is over. It could otherwise become the means of terrible abuse.

    Magna est veritas et praevalebit.
    (Mighty is the truth, and it will prevail)

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    1. Re:The pragmatic viewpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this "war" ends when?

    2. Re:The pragmatic viewpoint by CaptDeuce · · Score: 1

      The American government will not, indeed cannot, actively monitor the terabytes of data this act will generate.

      Right. So the Patriot (sic) Act requires private industry to do this for them. Scary. Our financial institutions now work for law enforcement on a near real time basis.

      Do you remember the mid 90s when several U.S. congressmen questioned whether we even needed the CIA and other intelligence organizations?

      Looks like they those congress critters were correct. Remember the Chinese embasy getting bombed in Serbia? That was CIA intelligence (sic) in action.

      This kind of trade-off between increasing security at the price of privacy is a good one, IMO...

      Security? What security? Terrorsim cannot be "defeated" in a straight-up fight ... well, not without destruction on a genocidal scale. Check the literature from Biblical times; it's filled with tales of terrorism. If terrorsim is still around after 2,000+ years, what are the chances anyone will be able to "defeat" it using what are essentially the same tools, i.e., we'll kill you before you can kill us?

      My idea of security is to make sure our government's actions don't incite sufficient number of people to hate us to the point they want to hurt, mame, and kill us. I'd bet it'd be a lot cheaper too. Some large corporations may see lowered profits though ...

      I'm setting aside idealogical and religious motivation for the most part, but the such fringe movements tend to become effective only with a sufficient base of disaffected people.

      In brief, we'd do better by using a lot of carrots ... and as few sticks as possible. This requirment of the Patriot (sic) Act is ... a stick of questionable effectiveness yet has the force of law. Scary.

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  34. SELECT * FROM Sheep WHERE Name = 'm_evanchik'; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
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    While theoretically troubling, this really isn't that horrific.
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    No? Your anti-terrorism is investigating a guy for fraud right now as we speak. FRAUD.

    The reason why people were afraid about the Patriot Act is that it uses nebulous definitions about what is or is not terrorism. The reason why people were afraid about THAT is because it gives so-called anti-terrorism squads carte blanche to do anything to anyone so long as they're quick enough to find ANY POSSIBLE LINK to terrorism. At this point, if you're of a specific nationality then any crime you commit makes you a potential terrorist.

    This should frighten the living crap out of you.

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    People also tend to forget that we are fighting a war. It's fine to be snide and cynical, but American troops are in combat abroad right now.
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    ...bombing anybody they can get their hands on, including allies and wedding parties. But I digress...

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    Our country is at war and it is deadly serious.
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    Maybe, but not the war you think. For all its rhetoric America is the one who is at war with freedom.

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    I just wonder if our biggest impediment to victory might be certain political hacks like Ashcroft who now find themselves in positions of unexpected power, with the ability to further agendas beside winning the war on terrorism.
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    Or political hacks like Bush, who appointed the guy, and who coincidentally named those Axis-of-Evil countries (despite the fact that the vast majority of the Sept 11th terrorists didn't come from one of those countries) and who coincidentally is trying to make everybody belive that Saddam Hussein is the next big target in the War on Terror despite the fact that he had nothing to do with what the War on Terror is all about.

    This is much bigger than McCashcroft. This is a problem that starts all the way at the top.

  35. How necessary is all this? by be-fan · · Score: 2

    Methinks its all just overkill, given that 9/11 seems to have been caused by some very basic oversights* rather than high-level terrorist subtlety.

    * BTW, I doubt any amount of reshuffling is going to fix this. Methinks the FBI and CIA should be run more like the millitary. Leaders need to be held accountable. If anything bad happens on their watch, or if any over their subordinates screw up, they should be punished.

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    1. Re:How necessary is all this? by alienmole · · Score: 2
      Methinks its all just overkill, given that 9/11 seems to have been caused by some very basic oversights* rather than high-level terrorist subtlety.

      You're absolutely correct. Unfortunately, at least two mutually reinforcing trends have resulted from 9/11: one is that the general public is spooked in various ways, and wants assurances of greater security; and the other is that those in power, who may have a better grasp of the real risks (which have not in fact changed significantly), see various benefits in offering answers to the public, whether or not those answers make sense.

      Those answers are on the government's terms: a "war" which requires "sacrifices", which provides an enormous distraction from the nation's real business, making it difficult to judge the performance of the politicians on real issues; a wonderful excuse to push through laws addressing every inconvenience law enforcement and government has ever encountered; the list goes on.

      I think the individuals involved have little in the way of ulterior motives beyond the gain they perceive for themselves and the groups to which they are loyal - groups including law enforcement, the wealthy, big business, and the the Christian right (who are every bit as scary as any Islamic extremist). But the net effect of all of this is likely to be a lot more scary, in the long run, than anything terrorists are able to do.

      The problem is that it doesn't seem possible to teach historical subtleties to the society as a whole - we're going to have to relearn, through painful experience, a lesson that was last covered in the 1950s, during the McCarthy era.

  36. fa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your ISP realizes that the Fed has a gun pointed at their head. It's only natural that they hand over their wallet and carkeys. Thanks to wonderful campaign finance reform law that restrict the first amendment so that only the lapdog press can "fight back", ISP's have no other choice but to lie down and take it. That goes for the users as well.

  37. What would Brian Boitano do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure he'd kick an ass or two,
    That's what Brian Boitano'd do. . .

  38. Universities to help with data mining. by seven89 · · Score: 1

    from the sybase announcement:

    . . . the Act requires that all depository financial institutions and broker dealers must know the true identity of their customers and the source of their funds . . .

    The potential for abuse here is incredible. Meanwhile, our institutions of research and higher education are ready to do their part to help the U.S. government digest all of this lovely information: National Academies: Universities to play key roles in response to terrorism

    Most of the measures mentioned in that article seem reasonable, but I'm worried about the "data mining" initiative. If you can mine data looking for "terrorists," you can mine for just about anything else, such as potential political opposition.

    Also consider: given the plethora of intricate financial disclosure requirements, a list of one's political opponents and vast mountains of data available for mining, it would be no trouble at all to neutralize the opposition.

    Imagine what the dirty tricksters of the Nixon administration could have done with a system like "PATRIOT".

  39. The Bushtapo sez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all your sybase are belong to us!

  40. Stop Complaining, Slashbots! by Dunkalis · · Score: 1

    I'm sick and tired of hearing you rant that PATRIOT takes away freedoms, makes us faschists, etc. IT DOESN'T. The US is trying to destroy an evil terrorist group that threatens our livelihood. The PATRIOT act may have some clauses you don't like, but you forgot the part that says you need a COURT ORDER to be able to execute anything under PATRIOT.

    Now, to be a bit on topic, this is a waste of time. They don't need extra software to help in the war against terror. Why not extract the data from their current databases with some Perl scripts?

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  41. Financial snooping may pay off. by Animats · · Score: 2
    Yesterday: "U.S. Customs agents have arrested a Jordanian-born man who was allegedly carrying $12 million in false cashier's checks, alarming counterterrorism officials who said the suspect may have been trained in al Qaeda terrorist camps in Afghanistan." This is significant. Apparently what's left of al Qaeda wanted $12 million in the US for something. It does indicate that attempts to cut off al Qaeda's money supply are working; these were false cashier's checks drawn on a non-existent branch bank, which is a desperation move.

    So all this financial snooping actually does have some terrorism implications.

    1. Re:Financial snooping may pay off. by HunterOfBeer · · Score: 1

      According to the article, Sybase is using the OFAC list. This list, also called the SDN list, includes specially designated nationals and does not include US citizens. Sybase's software probably wouldn't have helped catch this guy.

  42. You forgot the 3 commandments by xX_sticky_Xx · · Score: 2

    War is Peace
    Ignorance is Strength
    Freedom is Slavery

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  43. Re:Stop Complaining, Slashbots! (RTFA) by whizzmo · · Score: 1
    So I checked out Sybase's Architecture page to find this "COURT ORDER" you speak so highly of.

    I didn't see it listed anywhere, but I did find:

    • "Info Sharing" to Gov agencies
    • "External Searches" by Gov agencies
    • "Automatic Notification" to "FinCEN, FBI, OFAC"

    And on Sybase's Compliance Approach page I find:

    • Automating access and updates to the OFAC SDN, FinCEN, and other lists of suspected terrorists and those engaged in illicit activities,
    • Automating screening of transactions against suspect lists, as the transactions occur,
    • Screening of the Customer Information Files (CIFs--both umbrella and application specific) and company employees against suspect lists,
    • Automating the investigation process through to clearing a suspect by adding them to the excluded list or SAR reporting with historical documentation of the investigation process,
    • Automating user notification of suspected matches via email, pager, wireless, or other methods
    • Facilitating electronic interactions with FinCEN, other regulators, enforcement agencies, and financial institutions,
    • Facilitating the implementation and maintenance of internal lists for tracking the activity of customers based on specific requirements of an institution

    Bold emphases mine, of course.
    For an innocent system there's quite a lot of room for abuse of power, don't you think? Secrets lists and investigations are the kind of things that give Hitler-wannabes woodrow.


    You are correct that the Patriot Act doesn't make us faschists. It makes us sheep. We all know what happens to sheep when the farmer doesn't think anyone's watching. Do you really think the US Gov will be any different?

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    Whizzmo
  44. Bush did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think we all know who knocked down the towers.
    Does anyone forget that his daddy has been funding
    terrorists for decades?
    Who's presidency was in question when he was suddenly
    give great approval ratings? Coincidence? It's not a
    conspiracy who is behind all this, it's public knowledge.
    Face it, our president hates his own people, he's only
    done things to make things more expensive for us so he
    and his buddies can get even more rich and powerful than they all
    ready are. You want to go fight a 'war' go ahead sucker and
    die for that oil baron. He won't mourn you. Look how
    he treated his good buddies at Enron. And this guy talks about courage,
    the old fighter pilot flying away right after 9-11.
    Sad, stupid, suckers.

    1. Re:Bush did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With all my heart,

      fuck you.

    2. Re:Bush did it by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      Let's not forget an attack on iraq conveniently executed just in time for the next election.

      --

      War is necrophilia.

  45. borg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Non-compliance is not an option"

    Is that the same as Resistance is Futile?

  46. What the USA Patriot Act does by haaz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I would not be surprised if most people do not know what the sardonically named USA Patriot Act does. Here's a brief rundown:

    Permits the government to label groups as "terrorist" without proof or procedural safeguards.

    Expands agents' authority to secretly enter homes and offices during criminal investigations and search, take photos, and download computer files.

    Allows the FBI wide latitude to wiretap and spy on activists' phones, faxes, and e-mails.

    Provides for indefinite detention of noncitizens.

    It's bad. For the record, I agree with what's been said in the higher moderated comments about the U.S. becoming a police state. It is.

    And we are not at war.

    Except for the war on the Constitution. That's more real than their war on drugs, or terrorism.

    anyway... A few cities, Portland, Oregon, Denver, and Ann Arbor, Michigan, are opposing the PATRIOT Act. Others haven't officially done so but are refusing to participate in the screenings their police departments have been asked to do. People are standing up to this and seeing it for the unconstitutional nightmare that it is.

    "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him!"
    - George W. Bush, September 13, 2001

    (how'd he know who was responsible so soon, hmm? hmm....)

    "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
    - George W. Bush, March 13, 2002

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    -- haaz.
    1. Re:What the USA Patriot Act does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      >(how'd he know who was responsible so soon, hmm? hmm....)

      He, or his thugs, are responsible for:
      • The Somolia helicopter shoot-down
      • The 1993 WTC bombing
      • The 1998 US Embassy bombing
      • The 2000 US Cole bombing
      UBL was immediately a prime suspect.

      >I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority.

      Exactly, UBL is no longer in a postion to be a major threat.

      You may want to attend a college or a good library.
  47. what i want to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I want to know is why every little bump on the road in the entire fucking world classifies as a "Your rights online" - but slashdot doesn't even bother to discuss the whole TIPS program in America where we're going to generate the largest citizen informant system in the history of the world, trumping the stasi, nazi's and everyone else.

  48. THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ by poopbot by poopbot · · Score: -1

    THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ [slashdot.org]
    By J. Wipo Troll, Esq. [slashdot.org], $Revision: 1.16 $
    [This article attempts to document a vile, ungodly practice that runs rampant through the homosexual geek and hacker community, a practice known as âoeTaco-snotting,â or simply âoesnotting.â Taco-snotting is something that few geeks dare talk about in free or open conversation, but it is nonetheless a widely-practiced and dangerous form of homosexuality. If you or anyone you know has ever engaged in Taco-snotting, please get professional help [adequacy.org] before it is too late. â"ed.]

    Why do I keep receiving emails from an individual calling himself âoeCmdrTacoâ?
    You have been receiving unsolicited mailings from a certain Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda [cmdrtaco.net], owner of the popular technology website slashdot.org [slashdot.org]. Actually, itâ(TM)s not a very âoepopularâ site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks and hackers, zit-faced nerds, communists, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com], and other societal rejects and outcasts. Itâ(TM)s also home to one of the worldâ(TM)s largest suspected pædophile rings, the infamous âoeSlashdot crew.â
    Whenever Mr. Malda gets bored (and who wouldnâ(TM)t, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the user database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual activities with him. How he determines this is anyoneâ(TM)s guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with a letter of the English alphabet in it, youâ(TM)re a potential candidate.
    This time, he found you. Lucky you.

    Mr. Malda seems to be speaking in some sort of code. Do you know what it means?
    CmdrTacoâ(TM)s code language is relatively easy to decipher. This pervert prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo (yes, thatâ(TM)s right: he wants you) to evade the watchful eye of Slashdotâ(TM)s parent corporation, VA Software [yahoo.com]. Mr. Maldaâ(TM)s âoeCommanderâ is, of course, his penis: a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of Maldaâ(TM)s own lubed-up right hand. His âoeTaco bells [sonymusic.com]â are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his âoeTaco sauceâ is his thin, runny semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to âoering his Taco bellsâ or âoetaste his gourmet Taco sauce.â
    I would also guess CmdrTaco asked you to engage in a practice known as âoeTaco-snottingâ and, if he was in a particularly depraved mood at the time, a âoecircle-snot.â

    Good Lord. And, yes, he did. What is âoeTaco-snottingâ?
    âoeTaco-snottingâ is the term used by Robert Malda to refer to the depraved act of fellating another man (homo- or heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumoured to prefer raping unwilling victims), then blowing the semen out his nose and back onto the face and body of his victim. Naturally, a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTacoâ(TM)s face [go.com], dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, âoeTaco-snotting.â
    And if thatâ(TM)s not bad enoughâ¦
    A âoecircle-snotâ is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew [bastardgenres.com]. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com], and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum â" spooging their jizz-snot all over each otherâ(TM)s faces and pasty, white bodies, until theyâ(TM)re covered head to toe with their own and each otherâ(TM)s man juice. This vile, ungodly ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limousine service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
    To complete this perverted orgy, fellow faggots Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The homosexual shenanigans that follow are nearly beyond description. The whole group begins to snot each otherâ(TM)s spunk and whip each otherâ(TM)s pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

    Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?
    Hopefully, but I wouldnâ(TM)t count on it.
    To begin with, you most likely forgot to uncheck the âoeWilling to Snotâ checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad (do you have a homosexual-sounding nick?), and heâ(TM)s probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube, just waiting to pounce and declare you his new bitch. Thereâ(TM)s no escaping a geek in heat (trust me), so itâ(TM)s probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTacoâ(TM)s sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on Messages, and uncheck the box next to âoeWilling to Snot.â Maybe heâ(TM)ll ignore you. Probably not.

    I canâ(TM)t stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?
    If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, hemight leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge⦠oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot all over you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

    Have you ever been Taco-snotted?
    Unfortunately, yes. I first met Mr. Malda at an Open Source Convention [amazon.com]. He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some âoegourmet Tacos,â but when I got there, the perverted geek jumped me and handcuffed me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his âoeCommanderâ out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times, virtually nonstop. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm⦠then he snotted my own thick, gooey jizz back onto my face out of his nostrils! He snotted me two more times, first into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
    CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, âoeOpen Sauceâ â" man sauce) buddies over to continue their ungodly snotfest. European hacker and known überfaggot Linux Torvalds raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his âoemonolithic kernel [yahoo.com];â his partner-in-crime Anal Cox used their âoenetwork stackâ in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice of my defenseless, tender, young body. Michael Sims was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my previously-virginal ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about âoeall those Censorware [spectacle.org] freaks out to get him.â

    That is so disgusting! How did you finally escape?
    After about 16 hours of countless unholy, homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, completely covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant â" I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door (of the apartment, not their back doors). Iâ(TM)m just glad I survived the awful ordeal. These sexually-repressed hackers had alot of built-up spunk in their wads â" I couldâ(TM)ve easily been drowned!

    Thatâ(TM)s horrible. Does âoeTaco-snottingâ have anything to do with CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ?
    No, thatâ(TM)s a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. Mr. Malda is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games. WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership [slashdot.org] about this vile practice (emphasis added):
    You may be wondering what CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ is. You will be wishing that you hadnâ(TM)t been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his âoespecial taco,â CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, takes out his tiny withered dick (otherwise known as his âoeCommanderâ), puts his âoespecial taco sauceâ on it which means he jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim. After all, who would knowingly eat shit and CmdrTacoâ(TM)s jizz?
    After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTacoâ(TM)s nefarious homosexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victimâ(TM)s ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved. Trust me, you do not want Jon Katz anywhere near your unconscious body. Also, rumor has it CmdrTaco is looking for a new goatse.cx guy [goatse.cx]. Donâ(TM)t let it be you!
    Different ungodly perversion, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

    Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.
    Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. Heâ(TM)s also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Mr. Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesnâ(TM)t involve himself in the circle-snots, but that doesâ(TM)t mean heâ(TM)s any less of a freak than the rest of the Slashdot crew. Katz often engages in a game called âoejuicy-douching [aol.com]â with a harem of little-boy slaves that he has collected over the years: yet another vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boyâ(TM)s urine (forced out of them with a pair of pincers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then dribbling and slathering the goo all over himself and the boyâ(TM)s chained, naked bodies. If heâ(TM)s in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag from his distended anus and just squirt it from his ass [microsoft.com] onto the crying, terrified boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pincers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them at will. A boy will usually last about two years before Mr. Katz either accidentally drowns them in diarrhea or kills them once they get too old, usually around 13 or 14.
    Not content with being a pædophilic coprophile, Mr. Katz is also quite the zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys arenâ(TM)t enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goatâ(TM)s anus [yahoo.com]. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goatâ(TM)s small, bean-like turds, and he often kills his older boys by letting his goats trample them.

    â¦Are you getting hard writing this?
    Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

    No, thanks. Iâ(TM)m already CmdrTacoâ(TM)s boi toi.
    ________________________________________

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  49. I don't see any of the quoted text in the article. by stonetemple · · Score: 1

    I don't see any of the quoted text in the article...Is this guy quoting the article itself or just his interpretation?

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  50. PATRIOT Compliance Solution by SEWilco · · Score: 1
    • Why would one want a database server to be targetable by a ground-to-air missile system?
    • How did they make it targetable? Does it involve balloons, aircraft, or rockets?
  51. I can only say one thing by racerx509 · · Score: 1

    All your base are belong to us

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    13 year old white supremacists are shitty web designers.
  52. Gore is not a liberal! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both Gore and Bush wants Big Government, but maybe for different reasons.
    I am always amazed at how americans time and again are using the word "liberal" to describe "non-conservative" or "socialliberal". This is ofcourse not right. A liberal is a liberal, and Gore (or Bush for that matter) is not a liberal in the true sense of the word. A liberal seeks a minimal government and maximum of individual rights and freedoms.

  53. bullshit by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    One thing is for sure, the terrorists aren't hiding in my house, I never met one, I don't even remotely resemble one, have no use for one, and would shoot one on sight if one entered my property. It's no one's fscking biz what I do, what I buy, where I earn my money or how much I earn because it's *MY* money, I am the one that breaks my back in the hot, hot sun and no one comes out to help me or offer me a cool drink so I'm not sharing *MY* money with anyone. It's no one's fscking biz what websites I browse or what I talk about to my friends. I'm an American and I am at war with those that would rob me of my privacy, my right to free speech, my right to be secure in my home and my papers, and my right to defend my self against those that would deny me those rights. We are looking down the barrel of a Stasi government. This spy on your neighbor shit, spy on your spending, spy on your habits shit is too much. Will your postman mark your name down in his little notepad because he see you get a magazine or newsletter that *HE* deems to be subversive? Or your meter reader man peering in your windows and sees your workbench and reports you for having "suspicious looking" materials, devices and tools in your home? What would those items be? Hmmmmm, he has a computer! That could be a terrorist weapon! Uh oh! He has EIGHT computers in one room! he must be hosting a terrorist network! This is Fing too much. This *IS* 1984. We all have an appointment in room 101.

  54. Why /. should not opine when they have no clue. by dvk · · Score: 1, Troll
    This will likely modded down well below such gems as AC comment that Bush destroyed WTC (Modded +1 Insiteful), but still...

    Fact: This legistaltion (Patriot Act) is not designed to affect Joe Average Citizen PERIOD, as far as banking is concerned.
    There is, as Sybase stated (quite correctly), a well defined list of entities with whom financial institutions can not deal with. The list is VERY small (being an employee of a trading company, I get compliance lists in company-wide e-mail virtually every week).

    Fact: In part, this regulation is designed with the same purpose as "Have you ever been member of nazis/Communist party?" question on INS forms. Its purpose is NOT to stop ex-nazis from entering US (who'd say the truth answering that question?), but to give INS legal ground to deport ex-nazis once they are found out, for lying on INS form. The same way, US Patriot act allows US govt. to go after any financial institution which does help terrorists financially and lies about it.

    Fact: the Sybase software is there simply to make sure that Joe Schmoe Bank Programmer who codes trading systems doesn't have to break their brains trying to find out a way to help his company comply with the legistaltion. So don't go bashing Sybase for trying to make a buck solving an actual problem requiring programming solution. Bash them for having Fsck-ed up isql if you want to find a real reson to yell at them. <g>

    -DVK

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    "The right to figure things out for yourself is the only true freedom everyone shares. Go use it"-R.A.Heinlein
  55. Jesus would tell you to "shut the fuck up" by Atomic_Furball · · Score: 0

    Jesus (if he wasn't dead) would tell all these WWJD morons to shut the fuck up and make up their own minds.

  56. Homeland = Fatherland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry sir, your papers arent in order. You and your family will have to be "relocated".

  57. Dare I say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    USA is turning into a Paranoid, over-controlling goverment...the exact traits seen in Soviet Communist goverments.

  58. isql by tpv · · Score: 1
    Bash them for having Fsck-ed up isql

    What's wrong with isql?
    (Serious question)

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    1. Re:isql by dvk · · Score: 2
      Well, one feature that would actually make isql useable would be "command line" history (and yes, I know about Sqsh :)

      BTW, I was right - my comment got modded down as Troll. Three cheers for /. moderators, valuing 1984-like political uniformity over level-headed analysis by someone who happened to deal with real issues and comment from real world point of view!
      Maaan i'd be afraid to live in a world ruled by average /.-ters...

      -DVK

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