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Schmidt Predicts Digital Sky Is Falling

Danse writes "Former Microsoft security chief Howard Schmidt now works for the government as the vice chairman of the Critical Infrastructure Protection Board. According to this article on Security Focus, he has been touring the country, proclaiming the dangers of "zero-day viruses" and "affinity worms" that will create the kind of havoc that nothing else short of a nuclear exchange could cause. "Traffic lights, pacemakers, appliances -- all subject to outages and interruptions because in the future they're controlled via Internet, declares Schmidt. The power grid could fail catastrophically by 2005!" How do you argue with this kind of rhetoric, especially when it's being spread directly by government officials to corporate leaders?"

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  1. I didn't know all IP = Internet by stuyman · · Score: 5, Informative

    While it seems that the phrase "snake oil salesmen" has passed out of the vernacular in favor of "really good excuse to sell product," Schmidt is really nothing more than a fearmonger. While I could imagine a worm moving through the internet fairly quickly, I can't imagine it doing too much serious harm. I mean, nothing could be much more serious that code red or Melissa or something. The net is fairly heterogeneous, so if a big chunk of end-user windows machines become infected, who gives a crap? Worst thing is a slight dip in sales at Amazon or buy.com, and McAfee, Symantec, etc get some new sales. Even a windows machine can be armored against these things if you try. Also, spreading instantly isn't even feasible. It takes time for a machine to find connected hosts, transmit and process things, etc.

    What worries me most is this absurd prediction that traffic lights and the power grid etc will become part of the internet. There are no good reasons for traffic lights to be on the public internet, and lots of good reasons for them not to be. However, there are lots of good reasons to control such things by computer, and the best way to take advantage of this is by using economies of scale through the use of commodity hardware. In other words, over TCP/IP. So, the traffic light network assigns all lights an IP address. This isn't the same as being on the internet. And despite all the fearmongering it's unlikely to happen.

    Remember, these people have been predicting critical infrastructure death for 10 years, and their theoretical net-wide worm actually hit 14 years ago! Be fearless, build firewalls, and update your software, and ignore this moron (though if you can use it to convince your boss you need a new dual 1.5ghz machine with a giant plasma display, go for it...)

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    1. Re:I didn't know all IP = Internet by mborland · · Score: 5, Insightful
      While I could imagine a worm moving through the internet fairly quickly, I can't imagine it doing too much serious harm. I mean, nothing could be much more serious that code red or Melissa or something.

      I think I agree with your general points, but actually the worms could have been a lot worse. Had Code Red, for example, performed destructive actions on the target servers, it would have been an absolute disaster, and everyone would have remembered The Day Code Red Hit. As it was, most people disabled the exploited feature or applied hotfixes, and were back on their feet again.

      Imagine if it had just deleted the boot.ini, and/or perhaps several megabytes of critical files (critical enough to fail on reboot but not to halt current operation)? It would continue to scan, and if the admin rebooted (that is the first line of defense, after all!) they would be hosed. Perhaps it would actually be worse to delete the 'non-standard' files, like user files...destroying web sites and forcing admins to go to back ups (Windows admins do keep backups, don't they?). Imagine 300,000 boxes being hosed within a short period!

      Be fearless, build firewalls, and update your software, and ignore this moron

      Amen!

  2. Y2K by RobPiano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Part of the reason Y2K happened nearly hitchless was due to the fact that so much hype was involved. By declaring "the sky is falling" they are preventing a problem through means of hype. However, this man is a microsoft ex-employee and I'll be quick to point out that most viruses and worms are not "computer" viruses specifically but *windows* viruses. By making a fuss he is trying to protect his "alma mater" as it were.

    It looks like some big goverment, "I pat your back, you pat mine" business.

    Rob

  3. I blame bad science fiction by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And while there's some tongue in cheek in this, I really think that 90% of the reason why FUD like this is out there is because of what people see on TV/Movies.

    Law and order depicts "worm" that "takes control of your computer just be recieving an email!". Hackers: teenagers in bad oufits can crack into any system in the world (including being able to hack into a system by using phone lines taped together). Speed 2: leech loving man takes over a boat from his room with "fiber optic converter" (actually a data com port switch, I believe). The Net (another Sandra Bullock film) has a woman who's whole identity can be erased (especially when the FBI, Pentagon, and everybody else use the same anti-hacking software, which incredibly is used by evil hacker types).

    In movies, anything (microwave, blender, vacuum, whatever) can be controlled by evil computer programs. Don't ever put your computer in charge of your house, or else it will develop artificial intelligence, and try to kill you by making electric cords whip around your neck (I never figured out how that worked).

    Joe Public has no idea of how technology works - to him, it's indistinguishable from magic, so why couldn't it work? So when a man stands up and tells people a virus can circle the world 0 seconds, those who pray to the gods of technology in the hopes that their television doesn't turn off must believe.

    We don't believe in monsters or demons, so we invent them in the form of hackers and superintelligent teenagers with a vengeance. We don't believe in gods, so we invent them in a government that knows all, sees all (when it's own FBI is 10 years behind the technology curve).

    Good god, but I hate human ignorance.

  4. Re:It's an ex Microsoft security chief... by FreeUser · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, as the article points out, what's interesting is the change of tone. While he was a Microsoftie, he was downplaying the impact of viruses & worms.

    Now that he's in the government, these things are apparently more important.


    Hmm. I wouldn't be too certain there isn't a Microsoft agenda behind this ('Once you work for [ the CIA | Microsoft ], you always work for [ the CIA | Microsoft ]').

    With our elected leaders deep within Hollywood's pockets, and the confluence of Microsoft's Palladium agenda to extend and encode their software monopoly into the hardware itself with the media cartels' Digital Rights Management agenda, this is exactly the kind of rhetoric I would expect from someone pusing either, or both, of those agendas.

    The Digital Sky is falling, but not because of any foreign terrorists or script kiddiez. It is falling because several powerful cartels, a software monopolist, and our government are joining forces to eradicate the free wheeling internet as we know it in order to replace it with a medium they can better control, something that will resemble Just Another Media Outlet far more than it will the internet as we know it today.

    If this steamroller isn't stopped it will be the end of Free Software, the end of the peer-to-peer nature that is inherent in the design of today's internet, and the end to free exchange of information via digital media. In short, it will be the end of freedom as we have come to know it.

    And you know what. By the time anyone notices, much less cares, it will be far too late. We are the most affected here on /., and even we cannot be bothered to get off our asses and become politically involved. How can we expect those whose livlihoods are less directly affected to cast aside their apathy and conditioned reluctance to get actively involved when we can't be bothered to do it ourselves?

    The change of perspective and its timing is....interesting.

    You said it! Interesting ... and profoundly depressing.

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  5. Re:It's an ex Microsoft security chief... by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly. But what I think you are missing is some of the other potential conflicts of interest that still might remain with George Schmidt. Does he own Microsoft stock? With this new FUD tone and Microsoft's new focus on security, is he trying to drum up new business for the company thus boosting their stock price/performance?

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  6. How do you fight the rhetoric? by nadador · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The truth helps. Just keep speaking the truth, and tell your friends, people on the bus, folks at work.

    There are a couple of important points to consider.

    * Systems related to national security shouldn't be on the internet in the first place. Sure, that's what its was designed for, to be a comm network that would survive a nuclear strike and still route packets. Of course, plenty of government networks are already physically disconnected. Not firewalled, just not connected. So no Slashdot reading on your power grid terminal. Until we actually start building secure software, cause we don't now, some systems absolutely have to stay disconnected, or connected only through separate, encrypted, physically secure networks.

    * Instead of feeping creaturism, maybe its time to actually start worrying about security, ala OpenBSD. Could it be that people would put up with substandard office software and not-so-intuitive file browsers if we guarenteed them that the financial data on their computers would be safe? Would you pay extra for your internet-connected pacemaker (which will probably send data to your doctor) if you knew that somebody couldn't hack it and turn it off? Would your Mom put up with having to learn a confusing operating system if it meant that her Quicken data wouldn't get stolen? I bet mine would.

    * And maybe, just maybe, we, as software engineers should stop living up to the low expectations of the marketdroids and the PHBs (oooh look, shiny GUI) and start demanding more of ourselves. The reason that propoganda like this punk is spewing travels so fast is that the computer-using public has been conditioned to expect so little (Oh, another reboot? No big deal. Server's down? Eh, kick it, I'll go get a cup of coffee.)

    So, I'd tell people to stop whining, stop freaking out, and stop bowing to the government-media complex's instinct to make everything a damn crisis. Instead of worrying, do something. If you're a software dude, start thinking about robustness and security instead of pretty. If you're a (l)user, start learning how to secure your stuff, and start demanding that they companies you buy from do the same.

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  7. Re:Must be a joke. by mikvo · · Score: 5, Informative
    I hate to spoil the party, but traffic lights are already controlled via TCP/IP networks. And although these may not, technically, be "public" networks, they can still be hacked into. Have you ever taken a look at how advanced some of the ITS (Intelligent Traffic Systems) are these days? I happen to work at a state agency on their ITS system, and I can assure you that we are already on the edge of that very thing.

  8. Some pacemakers ARE remotely accessable. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anyone who engineers anything as critical as the controls to a pacemaker or a traffic light to be remotely configurable or writable is just asking for trouble.

    Unfortunately, remote adjustment of medical implants (including pacemakers and drug-delivery systems) is sometimes life-critical, often greatly health-enhancing. So many of the devices are remote-accessable. Some of them (such as implanted defibrilators) also log info about the patient (i.e. when / how many times he had to be de-fibbed) and can be interrogated remotely.

    But "remotely" means "via a nearby inductive loop (or the like) on a special-purpose device", not an internet link. (The interrogation device, of course, will have a computer in it and might be networked - but that's a separate issue.)

    But don't you think the people who design the device and its software don't KNOW that? Medical device hardware and software is built by engineers working to a standard above that of telephony, which is in turn far beyond mil spec. (Yes you can get screwups. But they really do put in the effort. The management knows that killing a couple patients will kill the company, and they have the money to pay for good work rather than cutting corners.)

    anything that has incoming can be flooded to death whether it wants to respond or not

    Not true. Anything with an incoming link can have the link itself DOSed and taken down for the duration of the interference. Any radio can be jammed, too. But a communication module can be designed so that it doesn't exhaust resources needed by the rest of the system, and so that it will recover from the exhaustion of its own resources as soon as the attack ends.

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