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Dutch Court: Bothered by SPAM? Get A New Email Address
Brenno de Winter writes: "The earlier mentioned ruling on XS4ALL has been analyzed by Linux Journal in this article. The ruling states that it's easy to change e-mail addresses, so don't worry about SPAM too much. Yeah right! RFC's don't apply to the Direct Marketeers since they were not involved in the standarization. Neither in our consitution, btw .."
Are the drug dealers on your street harassing you?
Don't fight, quit complaining, JUST MOVE OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
as much as the next guy. I mean when someone uses bots to collect tons of e-mail addresses and send them porn ads 100 times a day, its just not right. However, I don't get spam. No, I don't use a filtering program. No, I don't sue everyone who spams me. I'm just not careless with my e-mail address. I have a yahoo address I never check which I use on suspicious websites. Otherwise I just doublecheck to make sure when I fill out a form that I have all the checkboxes set to "don't send me crap".
I'd be lying if I said I never got any spam. I got on piece of it a few weeks ago. Before that, I can't remember.
Spammers are bad, but if your mailbox is full of it its more likely your carelesness with your e-mail address than it is spammers out to get you.
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yeah right.
/.) that mailmy my passwd etc when I forget...
let me see I've on 12 mailing lists that I know of right now (plus others that mail less han one a month).
Plus all those register sites(like
Not to mention all my 'internet' buddies that drop a line once a year or so, to check if I'm still alive...
no it's not easy to change addr's for people that actually rely on email quite heavily like I do..
Like virus's, put the solution where the problem is . For virus's it's the windows desktop so you need a solution there beside gateways etc. For spammers it's the 'sender'. There needs to be a body that has legal powers to track them down and prosecute - a UN agency for policing the internet perhaps?
Right now I'm trapping approx 50% of all incoming email at work with my anti-spam tools. Now thats just a small company with 200 email addresses, God only knows the length and resoources the IBM's of this world must be apply to the problem.
Could someone please post the email addresses of the judge(s) responsible? I understand that there is a great untapped market among Dutch jurists for at-home college degrees and penis enlargment machines, and these would be helpful to mining that.
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Bob Mossberg reviewed ChoiceMail from DigiPortal in a recent column, and said his spam dropped to zero as a result of using the product. It's a permissions-based e-mail software package. I haven't tried it yet, but it looks interesting.
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I'd rather waste my time trying to smart-up the crawling little obscenities that sent the SPAM in the first place, claiming (groundless) threats of filing a lawsuit, etc... Besides... how many of us can actually get a new address (other than Hotmail) on a whim? I know I can't... at least not until my linux mail server is running under the domain name I just purchased....
On Slashdot, we don't say "thank you." We say "that's enough..." -_-;
All (some of) you people sit here and moan and bitch about patent legislation, addendums to the copyright laws (like the DMCA), the FCC adding no-copy flags to TV broadcasts, and region coding. But when it comes to spam you all scream "Legislation!" "Put and end to spam!" "I can't take another spam e-mail!" "Spam isn't freedom of speech, it's abuse of network resources!" "I have to pay for this shit!" Many of you would be entirely happy to see spammers behind bars. Am I the only one who sees how hypocritical this bullshit is? Folks, there are technological solutions to this technological problem. Let's not sink down to the RIAA's level, please.
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6 times and has that stopped spam? NO! The only thing that it has done is slowed it down a bit and the more filters I put on my email account the less email I can recieve from people that are actually sending me real emails!
I dunno, getting email from Patsy and Edina could be fun, no? :^)
A couple of months ago I signed up for a Road-runner cable connection. At the time I hadn't finished putting my new PC together so I didn't connect for about the first 4 days. Guess what I saw when I did check my road-runner POP account for the first time... ...that's right, two emails offering me the chance of earning a degree, now, based on work-experience. Hmmm.
Needless to say, I've never have, nor will, use that email address. I dread to think how much junk has collected in that inbox so far.
Most people have email addresses assigned by work/school -- firstname.lastname@company.com, fl##@company.com, flastname@company, etc, and they can't change that without changing their name in the courts.
Also, the same theory could apply to changing my phone number to avoid telemarketers. Let's see the general populous react to that.
Likewise, avoiding junk mail by changing snail mail addresses.
Great inconveniences on both changing snail mail and phone numbers. Gotta notify friends, family, work, the state (get new DL for snail mail), the IRS (or other applicable tax collection agency), my bank, etc.
As one person mentioned, what's the judge's email address? I bet it falls into the category of work-assigned addresses.
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All hotmail users complaining about spam will be executed summarily and on the spot. Non-hotmail emailers, proceed commenting.
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Now, don't spam them. :)
Fight Spammers!
fuck. No I'm seroius! I met a spammer in person! I reposted "Spamming for Dumbasses" on several spam related stories so do a search if you want some more detail.
Basically from the spammer I saw and met, they completely take the argument of network resources out of the argument. If its on purpose or not, they play completely dumb to the problem of cloggin up mail servers.
Right now, spamming IS and WILL be a legitimate business until proper legislation is made. As the spammer I talked to said, "Spamcop is interferring with my AMERICAN right to do business" Not that I agree with him, I was a sysadmin for 7 years so I know what damage he does to the systems out there. Funny thing is though, he's right! As anoying as it is, as much as I hate to admit it, spamming isn't really illegal anywhere yet.
Another problem is with the laws that are created. One such law states something along the lines of, you must remove someone from your mailing list if they ask you. My spammers way around that was to keep a master list which he never touched, and just remove people from the sub list. I.e.
His company was Company X
He spammed for and from Company Y
He gets a remove from list for company Y, but not X
and the spam just keeps on comin.
I made another +5 post about the Italians deleting that guys web site hosted in america. If we really want to put an end to this problem we would not allow spammers to look for loopholes like the one I explained above. Anyone that tries to find loopholes in the laws has no respect for them at all. Last time I checked all our laws are written in english, I may not have a law degree but I can follow the books well enough. Why does our goverment allow loopholes and circumvention to laws to be legal? Maybe we SHOULD take a hint from italy.
You live somewhere, you follow the laws, simple as that. Be it real world or internet. People that circumvent those laws are scum.
--toq
One solution to this problem is to get your domain name and create a secret "catch all" email account. Then use a different email address for EVERY web account or mailing list. For example, someone might use cmdrtaco-slashdot@slashdot.org for Slashdot, cmdrtaco-amazon@slashdot.org for Amazon orders, and cmdrtaco-anime@slashdot.org for an anime mailing list.
If you later receive spam for penis enlargers at cmdrtaco-amazon@slashdot.org, then you know that Amazon sold your email address to the powerful penis-enlargement lobby. You can then choose to stop using Amazon or choose a new Amazon email address, while creating an email rule to automatically kill email to your old cmdrtaco-amazon@slashdot.org email address.
cpeterso
It's only hypocrisy if you can only see things in a black-and-white view that people must be anarchists or totalitarians to be consistent. Most normal people believe in the concepts of "good legislation" and "bad legislation." You might be surprised to know that most people consider SPAM and copyright to be two completely seperate issues.
Copyright law is about putting limits on ideas and concepts and selling them. I'm not 100% opposed to copyright, but I believe that current trends in legislation are destroying the balance between copyright owners and customers that makes copyright work properly. The issue here is whether or not people can take or do something with works someone else created without compensating them.
SPAM is about the ultimate expression of our crass commercial society where businesses now treat people as consumers instead of customers. It's about shoving ads down people's throat and putting the burden of the cost on them. As far as spammers are concerned, we exist just to consume advertisting from them, and we should shut up, pay the costs, and like it. The thing is, they're not providing me with a service that I want in exchange for my added cost of living. The issue here is whether or not someone can create something and force people to have to bear the costs for it when they didn't want it in the first place.
However, copyright protection and spam do share one important thing in common. Technological solutions are all useless without forcing people to adopt them. The question is whether or not we should support the "injured" party in either case. In the case of copyright, I don't believe we should. That's a matter of corporate welfare to protect an industry against technology that makes it obsolete. In the case of spam, I do believe we should. It's a matter of forcing someone to pay costs for a product he didn't want.
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
If that judge has an email account, spam it. Send lots of faxes. Send lots of snail mail. Show them what it really feels like.
Or at least, mine did. Whether it was "official" or "unofficial" (ie - one of the helpdesk people selling the names for some weed money) doesn't matter to me. Now my email address, which I never give out, gets about 30 spams per day!
here's another one of my own brew (not implemented yet, but would be trivial). let me know what you think of it:
with qmail, you can filter messages that arrive to email 'realname-XXXXXX@domain.com' by a script (XXXXXX does not need to be pre-defined). Have the script analyze XXXXXX and decide upon the time of day and eventually some other properties if the email should be allowed to be passed on to the inbox or not. You could encode a time of day and evt other properties in XXXXXX.
Now, the advantage of this being that each time you give away such an email address (mostly on forms on websites, in newsgroups, ...) you could make that email address reach your inbox only for a certain timeframe. A property could be the valid duration of the email address (for instance, one that is only valid 1 hour, 1 day, 1month or 1 year...). You would have to use a small generator each time you need a new email address. See what i mean?
also, what i'm already using now, is giving up 'realname-thiswebsitesname@domain.com' when i have to enter my email address on a website. Then at least, when spam is sent, you know who the bad guys are the sold your email address to a spamlist!
but, i agree, none of these or other methods fully remove the spam threat...
Spamming is illegal in quite a few places. The problem is that in most of those places, the remedy available to victims is too small for individuals to bother pursuing, and the laws are never used by state AGs to initiate criminal proceedings. In my state I'm entitled to collect $10 for every spam I receive which violates the law (no forged headers, must have valid contact information, must be properly labeled, etc). I get hundreds of such spams every week; if it were really possible to collect any money from the spammers, I'd be retired.
I wish the laws worked. They don't, and I'm not sure that they ever will; even if all 50 states had them, and even if a federal law were enacted. The pro spammers will move (as in physically expatriate) to China, Korea, or any number of other countries where their ill-gotten gains could buy them an extravagant lifestyle, and resume operations outside the reach of spam laws.
Shaun
Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
For some things (attachments), it doesn't work unless yer both online. However, the rest? *shrug* I never get any oddness that I'm not expecting and don't want on ICQ.
;P Feh, hosers who can't figure out how to set up a good set of filter rules.
Failing that, remember m*s? Most of the people that absolutely positively might have need to absolutely positively contact me quickly, know what address to telnet into to send me a message.
If broadband gets terribly widespread (As in, everyone leaving ICQ/whatnot open so they can receive files, anytime.).. Well, spam will be the final death of e-mail.
Or not. People seem to whine about how 'inconvenient' mail filtering is.
My ISP, for example, counts e-mail on the server against total 'space availible' for my website and such. (Not that I host my site with 'em ;))..
Yes. After nine years, if I do not check my ISP-given address at least once a month, spam will kill my alotted space. If that happens, blammo - extra charges.
Might as well check it every so often and mass delete it. At the least, you can sometimes find amusement with some pieces of spam.
(I can enlarge my penis and my bust size, at the SAME TIME!!)
Spam really gets bad when spammers decide to hijack your ISP to send email under any account, as well as grab your credit card numbers (even if they are encrypted or hashed, they have to be stored unencrypted in RAM for a short time so they can be encrypted/hashed). Now your ISP has to shut down all of their systems, and restore hundreds of computers from backups (since there is no way to tell exactly which systems were compromised, all because some spammer wanted to make quick money.
If this guy invests in his own T1, and puts his own servers up, and finds a net provider willing let him send advertising email, more power to ya! I'll just filter it out if I don't want it, and he can go down in flames when all the clients foolish enough to use him find out that no-one is listening.
If folks had to bear the cost of their traffic and had to be identifiable (and so prosecutable and filterable), 50% of spam would dry up in the first 3 months (when the internet bill is 60 days past due). The rest would be advertising the finest in adult entertainment, but apparently there's a market for that...
Send the judge an invitation to change his email address to avoid spam.
Then another.
Then another.
Etc.
Quick question: Has anyone here ever bought something because of a piece of spam they got?
/. post that people must be buying stuff. If there was no money in spamming people would switch to a new marketing approach. I know I've never seen anything in my mailbox worth buying.
Someone pointed out on an earlier
Of course they could be making their money by reselling their email lists to other companies/spammers...
Fuck you.
Bmilter
Bmilter - Filter program for use with Sendmail
July 5th, 2002
Bmilter is written in C and uses the Sendmail Milter library. Bmilter is intended to be the most capable mail filter for sendmail in existence. Every means I can find that is an effective and sensible method for filtering spam will get plugged into Bmilter. There will be some exceptions naturally...I don't intend to support any perl type of plugin or scripting and I don't intend to weigh down the process in a CPU intensive heuristics or genetic anomaly detection routine.
Until Bmilter reaches a stable production quality with message archiving, Bmilter will remain an advisory filter only. This means that Bmilter will NOT do any actual rejecting or dropping of mails. You may use your email client's built in filtering tools or if you have the option, using procmail. Bmilter inserts headers starting with X-Bmilter. Bmilter will insert a header stating the messages was fully processed by all filter methods only if the message has been scanned by all filters. Sendmail may abort Bmilter at any time, the milter program (Bmilter) has no control over this. This means that the email may have only been scanned partially or not at all.
Example:
* X-Bmilter: Message fully processed with Bmilter version xxx; timestamp
* X-Bmilter: DNSBL=True; Sender IP 200.24.71.150 found at bl.spamcop.net
* X-Bmilter: Failed Sender Verification=True; The mail server for the sender's domain doesn't support the email address that purportedly sent this email.
What Bmilter does so far.
Bmilter database
Bmilter uses SQL (Postgres) to hold all the configuration, referred to from now on as the registry. Since I do everything very simple and standard with SQL, it should be a snap for anyone to add mysql etc. I personally won't do it because I don't have mysql installed and I don't want to. I'll happily apply patches sent to me however.DNS Blacklists
Looks up the IP of the inbound connection against all the DNS blacklists in the Bmilter registrySMTP callback
Verifies the following:
* RFC 821, MAIL FROM:
You are required to support a NULL return path according to RFC 821. Some people disable this either because they think it's cute or because they're trying to disable spam sent with a NULL return path. Irregardless, it's broken.
* RFC 822, RCPT TO:
Sites without Postmaster accounts are simply due to admin laziness or misconfiguration. According to RFC 822, you are required to accept mail for a few specific accounts, this is one of them.
* RCPT TO:
If the sender is unknown on the machine that answers for the domain used by the sender, then either a) the site is misconfigured or b) in all probability this is a spoofed email address and the email content is spam.
Checks for a few random textual strings
Right now Bmilter tests for the California ADV prefix in the Subject line. This is in preparation for regular expression implementations.Prelimiary Statistics
Currently I'm cataloging the number of connections sent to Bmilter, the number of emails processed, and the number of aborts. Stats will develop for each individual filter for pass/fail/undetermined.
User preferences
* Authenticated Sender (key=auth); default action: accept; alternate action: continue;
* DNS Blacklist (key=dnsbl); default action: tag; alternate actions: (remove from rcpt list|bounce);
* SMTP Callback (key=smtpcallback); default action: tag; alternate action: reject;
I cannot confirm nor deny the allegation or allegations you may or may not have just made
Hey pplz, I found soem importand e-mail adresses, They are not from the judge but from the spammimg company abfab...
postmaster@abfab.nl
juliette@abfab.nl