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Myths about Internet growth

An anonymous reader writes "An article in The Economist outlines WorldCom's role in starting the myth that Internet traffic doubles every 100 days. This helped inflate the telecoms bubble."

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  1. Thats wrong by happyhippy · · Score: 5, Funny

    It should be 'annoying X10 pop unders double every 100 days'

    1. Re:Thats wrong by GuyFromAccounting · · Score: 4, Funny

      As far as I can tell, X10 stopped using pop under adds the same day I replaced IE with Mozilla.

  2. Not to troll, but.. by f00zbll · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I remember president Ronald Reagan pulling the same kind of stuff when he was in office. Some of the statistics Reagan quoted in his public speeches often were wrong or had no data supporting the claim. Why is it that people buy into BS when it comes out of the president or some CEO?

    Are people being stupid, or simply letting themselves get caught up in the excitement?

    1. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Noofus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its simply because people trust statistics from any sort of authority figure.

      If the PRESIDENT says something, people assume he MUST be right.

      If says "our industry is growing FAST FAST FAST", people will believe it. This appears to be how bubbles form (Enron, Worlcom, etc). People will believe statistics if they seem somewhat reasonable and come from what appears to be a reputable source.

      Besides, this doubling every 100 days figure seemed like a great concept to latch onto (gee, humanity is becoming more connected...thats great!)

      So I guess the answer IMO, is that people ARE just getting caught up in excitement.

    2. Re:Not to troll, but.. by medcalf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This kind of thing happens all the time. Sometimes it's an honest mis-statement or a result of unstated assumptions. Sometimes it's a blatant lie. The perception of the false comment's status generally depends on your political views. (For example, a Republican would be suspicious of Clintonian whoppers, while a Democrat would be forgiving; and the opposite dynamic would hold with Republican political statements.)

      That said, the reason that most people swallow them whole is because people believe what they hear from figures deemed "in authority", such as politicians, CEOs, doctors, and the mainstream media. All, interestingly enough, of these sources have egos the size of Texas and consciences the size of Guam. Why do people trust authority figures, given that there is every rational and historical reason to distrust them instead? Probably has an evolutionary basis (in that cohesive groups had better odds of survival, and adherence to authority in a crisis increased the cohesiveness of the group). In fact, the military deliberately teaches officers and non-coms the tone and style of speach needed to get instant obedience.

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    3. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Zoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nobody without an axe to grind ever checks sources, and additionally, people are statistically innumerate.

      For example, when you hear some group come out and say "1 in 3 women are sexually assaulted every year they're at college," you have to get into Clintonesque parsings of the meaning of "sexual assault", because it means that if assaults are truly random, almost all women will have been victimized by the time they get out of school. Advocates will say "yes, that's true" and invent a reason they think 90% of women don't report an assault.

      It usually turns out that assault means "felt uncomfortable and/or threatened in an ecounter with the opposite sex." How many of us haven't felt uncomfortable? I'm surprised the statistic is a mere 1/3.

      Then there are ones that advocates make up out of whole cloth or unrepresentative samples, like 10% of us are homosexuals (based on a self-reporting study of inmates defining homosexual as having had a sexual situation or thought dealing with the same sex--IN PRISON) or that there are a million homeless.

      In each case, people fail to translate a statistic to its logical outcome or don't apply Occam's Razor to decide that it's more likely someone is inflating a statistic for personal gain (get funding for your issue/company) than it is that life is severely different than we think and we've been indulging in false consciousness all these years.

    4. Re:Not to troll, but.. by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      most people swallow them whole is because people believe what they hear from figures deemed "in authority", such as politicians, CEOs, doctors, and the mainstream media.

      NAPOLEON: What shall we do with this soldier, Guiseppe? Everything he says is wrong.
      GUISEPPE: Make him a general, Excellency, and then everything he says will be right.
      -- G. B. Shaw, "The Man of Destiny"

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    5. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It usually turns out that assault means "felt uncomfortable and/or threatened in an ecounter with the opposite sex." How many of us haven't felt uncomfortable? I'm surprised the statistic is a mere 1/3

      Actually, the study that showed this (often quoted) statistic said it was 1 in 4... and it wasn't just "felt uncomfortable"... one of the questions was "Have you ever had sex, then regretted it the next morning?" *bing* If the participant answered yes, then the "study" said she had been sexually assaulted.

      An interesting side note to this is that one of the questions was "do you believe you have been the victim of a sexual assault?"... the response rate of this was 9%..

      So even though only 9% of the women polled thought they had been sexually assaulted, the people doing the study still claim 25%..

    6. Re: Not to troll, but.. by pjrc · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Ok, I know it's off-topic, but...

      ... unrepresentative samples, like 10% of us are homosexuals (based on a self-reporting study of inmates defining homosexual as having had a sexual situation or thought dealing with the same sex--IN PRISON)

      I've heard the 10% number over the years and believed it, so out of curiousity I did a little little google search, and whattaya know, the #1 result was this 10% myth page from the Family Research Institute.

      Also featured today on the Family Research Institute home page:

      • Homosexual rape is 5-10% of all rape and is increasing
      • Story of Jim, homosexual sex offendor
      • Link between pedophilia and homosexuality
      • Children raised by homosexuals have "childhood difficulties"
      • Special Study on Homosexuality (realaudio "lessons", I didn't bother listening to it)

      You can also check out their " educational pamphlets", such as " Medical Consequences of What Homosexuals Do" ... utter homophobia (and a lot of hetrosexual couples have oral sex, anal sex, kinky S&M play, but the text is pure FUD, mostly Fear) I wonder if their pamphlets are made by the Chick Tract guys.

      Later on the same google result is this paper which at first appears to be based on some honest research which claims 5% and goes on to say "On the basis of the Bagley et al.(1994) sample data, it is now known that the recent studies producing 1%(90) to 3% estimates for gay males, or for males who are homosexually active, are seriously flawed." Turns out this one is hosted by the Queer Resources Directory, but the author appears to be dedicated to helping troubled homosexual teens (more google searching)

      So I guess I learned something new today. The gay population numbers are in a lot more dispute than WorldCom's traffic growth due to the tension between homosexual communities and homophobic right-wing groups, the 10% number I've always heard before does appear to be a bit high. Hmm. Personally, I'm het, but I'd much rather be around people who are homosexual than people who are homophobic. Fortunately, repressed homophobics are a lot easier to spot.

      Very off-topic, someone please mod me down, if for nothing else other than wasting time on this instead of what I should be working on....

  3. RIAA, MPAA, and BSA by smashr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think we can safely file THAT particular statistic away with the MPAA's and RIAA's claim that piracy has cost billions and billions of dollars in lost revenue.

    Of course, I could see the BSA, RIAA, and MPAA getting together and claiming that the piracy of billions of dollars of software is the CAUSE of traffic doubling every 100 days!

  4. Growth follows the market by gentlewizard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with this article, as well as the original Worldcom estimate, is that they assume linear growth. In reality, the demand for Internet bandwidth grows and shrinks with the economy in general. We're in a slump right now, so growth has slowed down. In the next boom, more people will want to download rich content such as video, which will in turn increase the demand for bandwidth.

    Like the stock market, the bandwidth market has its up times and its down times. When you invest in the stock market, you invest for the long-term trend which historically has been up. In the same way, the need for bandwidth will continue to grow over the long term as we continue to find new and cool things to do with it.

    1. Re:Growth follows the market by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Keep in mind that without irrational exuberance, there's no reason why we have to have booms and busts. If investors had never gone stupid, we might have never seen a dotcom bubble, just solid growth. Perhaps we'll learn from this mistake and we'll do it right once this whole thing levels out.

      Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but...

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  5. Exponential growth by delfstrom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function."
    -- Bartlett, as quoted in my 1st year physics textbook

  6. This raises the other question . . . by Badgerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many other "marketing-oriented" "facts" are being touted today as justification for business, hiring, tactical, or hiring strategies? Or to be cruder, how many other business lies are out there mucking things up?

    There's a re-evaluation of business tactics and laws going on. Maybe its time to re-evaluate supposed technological "truths" as well.

    And maybe we techies can use this as yet another example of the hype over reality in technology, since WorldCom is in the use. Next time someone non-technical tosses out something obviously ridiculous, bring THIS up and ask them where they got their idea.

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    1. Re:This raises the other question . . . by bons · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You mean "facts" like:
      • "Open Source is more secure because everyone can look for security holes"? (Even if no one actually does, which is likely on some of these projects.)
      • P2P increases/decreases music sales (pick your favorite, they're both just guesses)
      • COBOL is dead
      We live in a world of blatent lies and guesses. What bothers me is that the article tries to pin the blame on the source of the "facts" instead of the horde of people who just accepted the "facts" as facts. Heck, Slashdot readers will rip into any moderator dumb enough to make THAT mistake. Why are we willing to accept such a low standard from anywhere else?

      It's depressing to watch a reporter claim someone else is being irresponsible for starting a bad rumor and forgive everyone else for their complete failure to verify the truth of what turned out to be an urban legend.

  7. Exponential growth by Maniakes · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this, there was about 1 gbps of internet traffic in 1995.

    If this doubled every 100 days, there would be 50,000 terabits per second of internet traffic today. There's actually less than one terabit/sec of traffic.

    By 2010, we could expect more bits per second of internet traffic than there are atoms in the universe.

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  8. Capacity doubled - usage didn't by hughk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Nobody would put down a single fibre. It is too expensive to physically lay it. You lay two (or more) fibres instead but leave them unused (dark fibre). However, repeaters are there it is just they aren't attached wither end. Theoretically all you need is to connect a switch and you have your extra capacity.

    This should have meant high bandwidth and low prices, but as suppliers like Worldcom had to borrow heavily for their infrastructure costs, they were stuck with high prices. Something similar happened with Deutsche Telekom in Germany. They built a fibre network through the former DDR but borrowed heavily to finance it. The things is that nobody was going to pay for that capacity at a premium price. Telekom didn't mess around with their predictions in the way that Worldcom did, but they also came unstuck.

    The problem comes down to the revenue models and the telecom analysts in the banks. If I have a bank of 64K connections and I upgrade them to 1024K, I can't simply charge 16 times the price. A few customers can afford this (think banks), but many others can not.

    Capacity including dark fibre definitely was doubling every 100 days but usage wasn't and certainly not revenue.

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  9. Things which double every 100 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bill Gate's nett worth
    Microsoft's profits
    Windows bugs
    IIS security holes
    The number of digits in the latest I.E. version number
    The megabytage of Windows Media Player
    The number of countries George Bush wants to bomb
    The length of Richard Stallman's beard
    The number of trolls on Slashdot

  10. Moral: The media are stupid and lazy by guacamolefoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This issue (a dubious statistic repeated infinitely in press) results from the fact that facts are not checked thoroughly before publication. This sort of stuff happened with the stats the women's movement used, environmentalists, conservative groups, etc. The number of women dying from eating disorders was a classic error that was endlessly cycled and never questioned until the misconception was permanently rooted in the public consciousness.

    Every interest group pushing an agenda (yes, even profit-seeking corporations seeking to sell more bandwith) seems to come up with some dubious statistic like this. The media gobble up press releases, disguised oftentimes as "studies" which are bought and paid for by the interest group, and they spit them out on in the newspapers and other media outlets, sometimes virtually unchanged.

    I am not surprised by the Economist's story -- I am surprised that it took so long for it to make it into print. I wonder how many times the Economist itself published that same "fact" before discovering that the emporer had no clothes.

    1. Re:Moral: The media are stupid and lazy by pmz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Moral: The media are stupid and lazy

      I wholeheartedly agree--up to a point. There are a small number of top-notch journalists, who really do objective well-rounded reporting. Unfortunately, it really is a small number of journalists. Also, unfortunately, they tend to report on lesser-viewed channels, such as some radio, public TV, and some magazines.

      The rest of the journalism industry is an overpopulated mass of careless wannabees who jump on anything even remotely reportable. Just look at local TV news, local newspapers, most of the national TV networks, most national newspapers, and, recently, most Internet news sites. All they do is propogate rumors, who-cares stories about kidnapped rich kids, slanderous stories about accused criminals, and tonight's prime-time lineup. Truly pathetic, given that they are the most watched and have the greatest influence on public opinion.

  11. At the University where I work... by RumGunner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Usage tends to grow by leaps and bounds every time someone comes up with a new file sharing protocol.

    Maybe that statement was from the good ol' days of Napster.

  12. Price of Bandwidth by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We've all heard talk of over-built data networks and "dark fiber". What interests me is how this apparent over-capacity does not seem to match up the price of bandwidth and the apparent bandwidth management of consumer-level heavy users.

    Is there a mismatch? Do we actually have a demand that's being held in check by an inappropriate pricing schedule (perhapse even businesses with a lack of vision)? Or does potential capacity fail to overcome the cost of "lighting up" and maintaining these over-built networks?

    1. Re:Price of Bandwidth by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 4, Insightful
      We've all heard talk of over-built data networks and "dark fiber". What interests me is how this apparent over-capacity does not seem to match up the price of bandwidth and the apparent bandwidth management of consumer-level heavy users.

      I think what happened a few years ago was that the price was pushed below the sustainable level by VCs indirectly financing your bandwidth. For a couple of years I had a deal that actually cost me nothing whatsoever for my internet connection; actually it saved me 10% of my telephone line rental as well.

      What's happened now is the VCs have gone away and the price has bounced back to where it really should have been in the first place and the companies supplying bandwidth are turning a profit again. For companies profit is like breathing- you can hold your breath for only so long and then you die; the companies are breathing again; but looks like some held their breath for too long.

      However the cost per bit is going down all the time, and we should gradually see the price that we pay come down with it. (Should being the key part of that sentence ;-)

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    2. Re:Price of Bandwidth by jratcliffe · · Score: 5, Informative

      But is there really a difference in the cost of providing bandwidth (other than hardware, which is still a fixed cost) if I want a low end ISDN line or an OC3 pipe? I would liken it to cable TV. Somehow I manage to now get digital cable with a few hundred more channels than its anolog predecessor for the same price. The cable company didn't really have to do all that much other than give me a new cable box (which I rent from them).

      Sadly, not true. First, there are big differences in the cost of the customer prem equipment between different networking technologies. You can buy a cable modem for $80 or less in bulk - a SONET box capable of supporting an OC-3 link will cost you ~$15,000. That being said, if you want internet access, your local access provider (be it the phone, cable, or whatever company) is going to have to purchase a connection to the backbone, and that costs money too (figure $40k for a 155Mbps link). Secondly, on the cable front, going from a few analog to a lot of digital channels required billions of dollars in capital expenditures for the cable companies. First of all, they had to upgrade all the amplifiers and passive components in their networks, and introduce a lot of new elements, since the higher frequencies used for digital channels attenuate over shorter distances, and hence need to be re-amplified more often. In many cases, they had to replace the actual physical cable as well.

      My phone line has been there for years. Other than a $50 line cleaning kit, what is really the increase in cost for me to get DSL? Other than equiptment that the telco buys to provide DSL. If they buy it to provide access to one user, what is the increase in cost when you add another 300 users? I understand that hubs and routers have physical limitations, but it just seems that we are getting porked.

      The equipment on the other end of your DSL connection (called a DSL Access Multiplexer, or DSLAM), doesn't come cheap, and the unit's cost scales pretty close to 1:1 with the number of ports it has - net/net, the cost does rise with the number of customers. Beyond that, the telephone companies had to make some pretty significant adjustments in their network architectures (pushing fiber down the network, for example), to make DSL available on a widespread basis.

      I might back up the above by comparing it to wireless (cell) phones vs traditional land lines. Don't the cell division make hand over fist compared to the land line division? I mean, they put up a tower that can service thousands of people. No cables (from telco to your phone) and thus significantly less service persons and cost per customer. It makes me wonder if my inflated cost for use of a cell phone (in my opinion) is there to offset the money-sucking land line division... Shouldn't cell phone service be only a small % of the (my) cost of wire-based telephone service in my house?

      Actually, the cellular service providers are LOSING money hand over fist. First off, building those towers isn't cheap, esp. when you consider the legal aspects of getting access to the sites, permitting, etc. Second, they have to buy landline connections from the towers to their networks, and that is usually slow and expensive. Third, there's a limited number of users you can support from a given tower - spectrum isn't endless. This doesn't even begin to consider the costs of obtaining the spectrum itself - look at the billions of $ that the European wireless carriers paid for 3G licenses there. That being said, it's certainly cheaper, if no network exists, to serve an area with cellular than build a physical phone network. A lot of phone companies in the developing world are doing just that (Telmex in rural Mexico, for example). The real costs of cellular, on an operating basis, are operating - marketing, customer service, etc. The industry still has really severe bad debt problems, and customer churn is high, so getting and keeping customers sucks up a huge amount of the revenue pie.

      Overall, are we getting hosed? Basically, no, I don't think so.

  13. good write-up over at LightReading by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 5, Informative
    LightReading had a very well-researched article about this earlier in the week. Here's a quote from the article, where a former employee explains the numbers:
    Here's how it worked, according to the former WorldCom employee: WorldCom would hook up new customers with connections capable of handling, say, up to 1.5 Mbit/s of data, knowing that for most of the time the lines would only carry a fraction of this amount. WorldCom would then use the 1.5 Mbit/s figures, not the actual traffic figures, when citing Internet traffic growth statistics.
    "There was massive connectivity growth, but UUNET's business wasn't growing as much, "says the former employee.
    UUNET was (still is?) a division of Worldcom.
  14. Re:Unbelievable (really?) by Smallpond · · Score: 3, Insightful



    Yeah. What was that Moore guy thinking in 1965
    when he forecasted chip density doubling every
    18 months. That obviously couldn't last more
    than a couple of years, could it?

    Some predictions seem to work better than others.

  15. Typical by llamalicious · · Score: 4, Funny

    The next thing you know, they'll be telling us computers double in speed every 18 months!

    er.

    1. Re:Typical by zCyl · · Score: 3, Funny

      The next thing you know, they'll be telling us computers double in speed every 18 months!

      That's all lies! I've been watching mine since I bought it, and the damn thing is still going the same speed...

  16. Worldcom Blame... by Kakarat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I am sure that Worldcom's bloated statistics did mislead some, however it's quite convenient where the other companies are laying the blame.

    Rival telecoms companies believed the myth and cited UUNET's figures, even if their own traffic figures disagreed.

    I find it disturbing that these rival telecom companies aren't making their own decisions. "Tech: Sir, we are only using 3% of our bandwidth and 45% of the nations traffic traverse our networks. CEO: Damnit, can't you hear? We need more bandwidth!! MOORRRREEE!!!!"

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  17. Worldcom by ajs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Meanwhile, MCI/Worldcom/UUNET was dubbed "Whipping Boy of the Hour" by 17 leading pseudo-news organizations around the world.

    Why is it that we pretend that such over-zealous predictions are unique?

    Worldcom is in trouble so attacking them is easy: they have bigger fish to fry. If you go after Sprint this way, those bastards might sue you!

  18. yeah but by lingqi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    there really isn't a way around that you know -- i hate the phrase "viscious cycle" but it's very necessary to use it here.

    there are some basic facts we have to deal with when doing this

    1) laying 1 fibre vs. laying 32 fibres costs about the same
    2) you need to lay tons of fibres regardless (because the US is sparced out compared to, say, Tokyo / Seoul)
    3) you need capacity *today*. not 32-fibre worth of capacity, maybe 1 or 2 fibre worth.
    4) you probabbly need the 32-fibre worth of capacity in the future -- okay -- not the *near* future, but you know for a fact it will be utilized later

    so basically, you need to invest in this infrastructure regardless -- because let's face it, you need them damn fibre runs even for today's economy. the choice boils down to
    1) you spend 85 billion for 2 fibres today, and another 80 3 years later when you need to double the capacity
    2) you spend 100 billion for 32 fibres today, and be home free for 12 years or so.

    okay -- simplified math, bs statistics. but pretty much the same point.

    if you were the CEO / CTO, what's gonna be your plan? i know i will bank on the 100 billion.

    so they took a bet and ran out of $$ before it turned profitable. but it's was a lost gamble -- not a bad decision.

    i like to point out that the interstate highway system is pretty much the same except the US got enough cash to cover it while it slowly became... profitable (on a entire economy scale)

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  19. Some empirical data by swm · · Score: 3, Informative

    from Jakob Nielsen

    http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9509.html

  20. This is what happens... by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...when suits make decisions and don't believe what their own highly trained, highly experienced, and usually certified staff tell them. Believe me, I'm experiencing this first hand.