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Myths about Internet growth

An anonymous reader writes "An article in The Economist outlines WorldCom's role in starting the myth that Internet traffic doubles every 100 days. This helped inflate the telecoms bubble."

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  1. 1st by buster+hyman · · Score: -1

    oh yeah, baby!

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    I had warm bawls.

    1. Re:1st by Proctal+Relapse · · Score: -1

      Most of you will never know me. I am the faceless one, the "everyday Joe" you pass on the sidewalk every morning, the nondescript neighbor that you feel obligated to wave to whenever our cars pass. Five minutes after an encounter with me, I'd be willing to bet good money that you can't remember a single distinguishable feature about me.

      That is how I like things; you see, in my line of work, if you're remembered then you are as good as caught. In layman's terms, I am called an "assassin", but really it's too crude of a word for what I do. My work is a subtle form of art, a talent. I take money from people just like you, and I remove the person that is your most bitter enemy, your obstacle, or even your loved ones. You'd be surprised at who's been on my client list......everyone from cherub-faced mothers to the rich and famous has sought out my services for one reason or another. And sometimes, just sometimes if the money is right, I even work for the insane.

      The old man definitely fit in that category. From the time he arrived in my office, I pegged him for a loon. He arrived in the company of his grandson, who happened to be a prominent figure in the Yakuza, the Japanese Mafia that was establishing its roots slowly but surely in America. I'd done business with his grandson on many an occasion. The grandfather had seen eighty years unless I missed my mark, and I was rarely wrong. His eyes were piercing in his weathered face, and the snow-white hair of his head was a startling contrast to his tanned skin.

      Even though I'm sure he'd lived in America for over thirty years, he still wore the traditional kimono of his native culture. He spoke no words of greeting, merely marched up to my desk and placed a manila folder before me. His grandson helped him take a seat while I opened up the file. The thing was crammed with photos: Polaroids, professional quality, and even printed photos from some computer webcam. They were all shots of one woman, obviously my client. I looked up to find the old one watching me intently. "Kitsune," he remarked, his voice still thick with an accent.

      "Kitsune? That her name?" I asked.

      "No, kitsune," the old man repeated, his burning gaze falling down to the pictures. "Japanese demon. Fox fire." His grandson placed a hand on his shoulder, speaking a few words in Japanese to comfort him, then looked at me. "What Grandfather means is that he believes this woman is one of the kitsune. You Americans call them werefoxes, I believe." I stared at them both, the old man in his ancient garb, the younger man in the Armani three-piece suit.......both faces mirrored the same deadly calm and serious. I raised my eyebrows, not really sure if this was some kind of stupid joke. "Werefoxes? You mean, howl-at-the-moon, turn-furry-once-a-month type?"

      "The kitsune has been around in Japan since the ancient times," the young man replied stiffly. I could see how hard he was trying to contain his rage at my glib remarks. "My family was given the sacred honor of ridding the land of the demons over three hundred years ago, and it has been passed down from father to son since that time. My grandfather is the last of our family to receive the honor, but he is too old now to hunt the kitsune. That is why he seeks your help."

      I thought about making another smart remark, but I decided against it. The last thing I needed was a Yakuza boss pissed off at me, and I needed the business they provided for me. The old man took my silence as acceptance of the job, and barked at his younger companion in fluent Japanese. The grandson stood, and placed two objects on the desk before me. One of them was an ancient kitana, the polished wooden hilt and sheath carefully wrapped in a black satin shroud. I noticed several Japanese characters burned into the sword's handle; the family name, more than likely. The second object was a black professional briefcase.

      I opened it and tried not to gape. There had to be close to ten million dollars, from a quick glance, nearly three times the amount I was normally paid for a job. The old man caught my gaze again, and his face was as unreadable as some ancient statue. "Use the sword to kill the beast," he said. "Only the purest silver blade can stop her fire." He stood, and motioned to his grandson. They both bowed slightly at the waist to me, and I found myself automatically returning the politeness. They headed for the door without another word; I was too speechless to stop them from leaving. The grandson was the last to leave, pausing just a moment to give me one final warning.

      "Don't let the kitsune bewitch you," he said sternly. "She will use her mind and body to try and stop you. You mustn't let her draw you in." Then they were gone, leaving my office as abruptly as they had arrived.

      I stayed awake most of the night, looking at the sword and the money again and again. I didn't really buy their story; I figured that the old man must have had some run-in with her and just needed her offed. The sword deal, well, that wasn't all that unusual. Some of my clients paid me a lot more just to make sure their target was killed in a certain way or with a certain thing.....call it a "calling card" of sorts. But their devotion to the legend piqued my curiosity, and so the next day I turned to the library to find out about this "kitsune".

      It turned out to be very old indeed. The people of ancient Japan believed that a person could be possessed with the spirit of a fox. The "fox demon" would then encourage the person to steal things, to play tricks on others, to do things not normally associated with human behavior. Over time, the fox would claim their body, and they would forever more be able to switch between human and fox form at will. I pulled the file from my briefcase, staring down at the photos of the woman that was accused of bearing this terrible demon. She was a stunning woman, and I didn't have to be Asian to see that she was definitely different from most Japanese women.

      For starters, she was tall, nearly six feet in height. Her hair was long and black, and she wore it free of adornments or style. In several of the full length pictures, I could see that it almost reached the back of her knees, tumbling down her back like a satin waterfall. Her skin was another oddity; instead of the normal caramel color which he found so appealing on most Asian girls, she bore the flawless milky skin of a Southern belle. There was one photo that was a shot of her face, caught in a moment of laughter. Her lips were full and painted a light pink, and her smile was incredible. Her eyes, so light brown they were almost golden, sparkled with her humor. It was a waste to kill such a beautiful girl, but then again, ten million dollars gave me the motivation I needed to get over my lust. I shut the file, and headed home to begin tracing her.

      Nasumi Michinoka. She wasn't hard to find. Most beautiful women aren't, for people notice them everywhere that they go. With some well-palmed hundreds and the aid of phone books and the like, I soon had her address. She lived in a rural area of town, one of those pretty colonial-style homes that bordered on three acres of woodland. I camped just beyond her place, keeping a watch on her home through my surveillance gear. I wanted to get a layout of the house and its surroundings, so I could best plan my mode of attack. It didn't take long for Nasumi to return home; around six in the evening I watched her little red sports Miata pull into the driveway.

      I didn't get a good glimpse of her when she made her way into the house, but I eventually was rewarded with a clear shot of her when I trained the high-powered binoculars on her bedroom window. The photos I'd studied weren't doing her justice, not compared to seeing her in the flesh. The contrast of her black tendrils of hair against that pale, smooth skin was more intoxicating than the sweetest wine. When you combined the slant of her luminous eyes and pretty mouth to the mix, it was a deadly combination. She left her blinds wide open while she changed into more comfortable clothes, and I watched as she began to strip. I couldn't look away now, not even if I had to.

      Her nimble fingers undid the buttons on her blouse, shrugging the white silky material off of her shoulders and tossing it onto the floor. I feasted on the flatness of her pale stomach, and the way her tiny nipples strained against the lace of her bra as she reached around to undo the clasp behind her. The scrap of lacy fabric fell free, and her beautiful breasts sprang into view. The globes of her chest were small and high on her ribcage, the nipples a light pink and almost perfectly centered. Their erect nubs stood out like tiny pebbles, and there was a tiny freckle just beyond the pink ring of her left breast. I wondered if I could fit that entire mound in my mouth, including that little brown freckle.

      Before her hands even made their way down to the button of her jeans, I was already growing hard in the confines of my own pants. The lower half she exposed more slowly, and she turned to the window, looking out over her land as she pulled the little metal zipper down. The jeans were tight, and she pulled them down over the slight swell of her hips, leaving only her pink-and-white striped cotton briefs covering her intimate areas. Nasumi seemed to take forever tugging the denim down over those long, long legs. Her thighs and calves were firm with muscle, and I wondered how tightly she would grip a man with those gorgeous limbs when she was hot and ready to be fucked.

      I imagined it were me those powerful legs gripped tightly, pulling my cock deeper in her eager sex, a blush spreading across that pretty face as I made her moan. I snapped out of my fantasy, to find she'd already stepped out of her pants and was hooking her thumbs in the waistband of her panties. My free hand went down and adjusted the erection straining my fly, unconsciously stroking myself through the cloth as Nasumi peeled down the underwear. I could just make out the shape of the lips of her pussy, crowned with a nest of glossy black curls that were neatly groomed in a perfect little triangle.

      It had been a long time since I saw a woman with pubic hair, and I was surprised at how much it excited me more than a shaved pussy did. I could swear she looked at me then, straight out the window at the tree where I was watching her from. Her mouth curved up in a private smile, then she reached up and snapped the blinds closed. I shimmied out of the tree as best I could despite the massive hard-on I sported, then made my way back to the makeshift camp I'd created. It was a long time before my desires subsided enough for me to sleep.

      That night, I dreamed of Nasumi. In my thoughts, she came to me, arriving at the mouth of my tent without warning and crawling inside. She was naked and smiling when she straddled me, and I was helpless to do anything more than twist my fists in the sleeping bag that I lay on. In the night, her skin seemed to reflect the moonlight like water, glowing the same shimmering white as a pearl. Her pale hands came down, pulled me up roughly to kiss her hungry mouth. Her lips were burning hot and divine, sucking on my tongue and mouth like no other lover ever had.

      She only allowed me to feast on her mouth for so long before she pulled back, cupping her left breast in her palm and offering it to me. I sucked most of the tiny breast in my mouth, kneading and licking and sucking on the soft flesh. It glistened with my saliva when I pulled back, and I flicked my tongue over the erect bud until she was moaning softly. Nasumi tugged my hair, urging me over to indulge on her right breast, and as I treated it the same she reached between her thighs and yanked at my belt, freeing the catch on the buckle and fumbling with my zipper. Her hands plunged in the gaping hole, pulling out my fully erect cock, and my hips bucked up when I felt her smooth fist slide down over the engorged head and shaft.

      "How can you kill me," she panted, and her accent was an aphrodisiac to my already-inflamed senses, "when you know this is what you want? I know you want to fuck me, I can see it in your eyes." Nasumi pushed me onto my back and smiled down at me, then got to a squat and changed positions so I was staring up at her firm ass and the dark pink slit of her sex. Her thighs and sex were smeared with her own juices, and I felt her breath tickle the knobby head of my dick when she spoke. "Lick me, suck me," she begged like a whore.

      "Taste how much I want to fuck you, make me come." I felt her hand close over the base of my shaft, right where my balls joined, and then I felt her soft tongue, lapping at the salty clear fluid that was already gathered on the swollen tip of my cock. She cleaned it, her tongue dipping playfully in the small slit where the lubrication was gathered, before her wet mouth closed down. I'd never felt such heat, not the way it was when her lips slid down over the rim of the head and down to where her fingers lay. It was like the first time I'd ever had sex with a girl, as good as the tight, hot pussy of a high-school slut.

      I was paralyzed for a moment with the sheer pleasure, as she made her way up again only to remover her hand and deep-throat me to my balls. I grabbed her hips and pulled them down, my tongue lapping at the dampened crease in her thighs, working in towards that overflowing flower in the center. When my lips first traced that eager, quivering slit, Nasumi let out a low moan in her throat. I wanted to take my time, but she refused me, working my dick faster and grinding back on my face. She practically drowned me, her hot liquids coating my chin and cheeks as I tongue-fucked her. Her pussy was tight, as I'd expected, and I almost exploded in her mouth when I felt her squeeze her inner muscles around my tongue, milking it like a little cock.

      She was panting low in her throat, little moans that increased as she worked her throat and mouth over my hard member, and she pulled back to jack me off with her hand for a moment while she sucked one of my balls into her mouth, rolling it around before she claimed the second one. I wasn't going to last much longer, and I ran my tongue off of her sex and up to her little puckered anus, tonguing the tight brown hole with little flicks of my tongue. I used my right hand on her pussy at the same time, sliding my index and middle finger inside her, pistoning them back and forth in the tight sheath.

      Nasumi pulled free of my cock with a cry, and she reached back and parted the cheeks of her bottom with her hands, nails digging into the milky flesh. She squealed something in Japanese, and then she came, bucking against me while her body exploded into a torrent of uncontrollable contractions. She rode her orgasm to the fullest, and then when she was done she looked back at me and smiled. "I'm waiting," she purred. "I know you'll make the right choice." Then her hot lips closed around me again, and I was pumping her face eagerly, feeling the churning start and the pleasure shocks overtaking me. I shot load after load into her moist mouth, the strongest orgasm I'd ever had, shouting out with my triumph. The sweet, white-hot ecstasy was enough to wake me from my sleep, and I awoke to find myself naked and alone in my tent, and my stomach and thighs coated in my own milk-white release. My whole body still quivering, I cleaned myself as best I could.

      The next day, all I could think about was Nasumi and the dream. The experience had left me drained and vulnerable; never before had I ever let lust get in the way of business. I knew I had to either kill her tonight or she'd haunt my mind each and every night until I did. I watched her home all day, saw her leave for work and return eight hours later. Withdrawing the silver sword from my tent, I gave her an hour's time to get settled in for the night before I headed over to finish the job.

      I had my lockpicks ready before I even got to the door, but was surprised to find the door was unlocked already. As silently as I could, I made my way inside and up the stairs towards the location of her bedroom. It wasn't hard to approach unnoticed, for every room but hers was bathed in darkness. I reached the door to her inner chambers, took my breath, and opened the door. Nasumi was there, and to my surprise she didn't scream or run. In fact, she looked to have been waiting on me. The room was lit only by candles, which covered the dresser, nighttable, and bookshelf. She was as naked as she had been in my dream, lying across the white satin sheets of her bed, staring up at me with her liquid eyes.

      "So you're finally here," she murmured, and smiled when I drew the sword from its wooden casing, the blade shining cold in the candlelight. My hands were trembling, the sword tip wavering to and fro.

      "The old man's sword, I presume?" She asked, and I nodded slightly. "Silver, then. Silver to pierce the breast of a kitsune." She laughed sharply, and got to her hands and knees, crawling towards me over the covers. "Tell me, will you be able to shove that blade into my heart, split me in two? All for ten million and the will of an old fool?" She cupped her perfect breasts in her hands, her fingers curling together in the center, right where I could push the blade into her like a knife through butter.

      "A...Are you really a werefox?" I rasped, as she stood and started walking towards me. The closer she got, the more my will to kill her washed away. Nasumi reached out and touched the tip of the glimmering silver blade, running her delicate fingers over the cold metal.

      She smiled again, this time sarcastically. "I am kitsune," she corrected. "Calling me werefox is like calling you a thug, it is a crude name. A kitsune does not need the moon to change, nor are they some great, slobbering, murderous beast. A kitsune is a beautiful strong fox, wise and cunning. I was possessed with my fox when I was twenty years old. I have now been alive for five hundred years, and will live for eternity as a youth of twenty. I do not harm people if I do not have to. I take things from those who are rich and unworthy, like the old man who hired you."

      She smiled, pushing the blade aside and approaching me. "I keep those things for myself or give them to the ones in need, if the mood strikes me. I am not evil. But the so-called 'honorable' men like the one that you work for, they killed my people. Once the kitsune were plentiful, now I am the last. I left Japan and came to America, because there are not many here who would threaten me. Once the old man is dead, the kitsune will flourish." She reached my side, and touched my trembling chest, running her arms up to circle around my shoulders. "And I suppose I should thank the old fool, he has sent me the perfect mate."

      "What?"

      "If I make you a kitsune, we would repopulate the world with our kind. You are the man I need.....you run in the night, you know how to blend in so to be unnoticed. You are strong, and you are not afraid to kill when you need to. A perfect mate, a perfect father for our children." Nasumi's golden eyes glittered with hope. "So you must choose. Kill me, and take the ten million the man has offered you. Or come with me, and I'll make sure you never want for anything again, and we shall be together in eternity." A long silence filled the room around us, but there really was no choice. I dropped the sword and gathered her in my arms, taking her with me to the floor in one swift motion. My dream was nothing compared to reality, as she tore at my clothing, freeing me from the confines of human restrictions. She rolled, pinning me beneath her, and I dug my fingers into her hips roughly as I slid within her depths, hard and ready. We fucked fast and furious, our groans mingling in the room.

      She was so warm, burning me alive, bouncing on my cock like she was riding a horse. I watched her breasts jiggle up and down with every thrust, saw the muscles in her tight thighs ripple, heard the slap of her flesh coming down on my own. I brought one hand around, digging into the curls above her sex, finding the marble of her clit and rubbing it in rapid circles. Nasumi reached back and gripped my balls in her hand, making sure I was going to reach the end as quickly as she was. When she came, she jammed herself down on my hard manhood as hard as she could, and I felt every muscle spasm drawing me deeper and fuller into her tight wet sex.

      Her pussy milking me was too much, and I held her in place, my hips lifting her off the floor as I emptied myself in her in four long gushes, filling her to the point where her sex dripped with my seed. We collapsed to the floor together, but only long enough to recover. For the rest of the night, I took her again and again, in every way I could think of and a few more that I'd never seen but she wanted. When dawn arose, it found us unconscious in each other's arms, the sword forgotten on the bedroom floor.

      Like I said before, most of you will never know me. I run with a different pack now. After an incredible night of lovemaking, Nasumi shared with me a sip of her blood, from a pricked finger. It was enough to make me kitsune as well, to make me leave my human heritage behind. Tomorrow night, we go to visit the old man who hired me to kill her. I'm planning on leaving the silver sword of his family lineage jammed into his chest so hard, they may not be able to remove it. That will be the end of the hunts, the deaths.....and a beginning for us, for the children I may have already planted in Nasumi's fertile womb.

      I don't regret my decision, leaving mankind behind. I used to burn with the fires of human ambition and greed, willing to do almost anything for the money. Now I burn with a new fire, fox fire. And if you're not careful, it just may consume you as well.

  2. hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    frost pist?

  3. Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by unformed · · Score: 1

    Damn, humanity wil \. the Internet.

    1. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by Marque_Off · · Score: -1

      As people of the article were true, we should experiencing a GOOD network itself is that wouldn't be spending habits while also misleading others that could support HALF of the increase would have slowed over time, otherwise we can only catching up with this kind of the economy in this article, as they thought, then perhaps they'll realize that the increase the economy in the demand for everything evil - and well-educated people were jumping onto that the bubble that says net growth can only catching up with even basic math should know that they die.

      Why did double every Y days" stories. Everybody who is just being deleted :-) my pr0n collection doubles every 100 days' But now it really believe in the answer lies in the next boom, more people were true, we would all be annoying X10 pop unders double every hundred days. Then everyone says net growth can only catching up with the upkeep just as well as much. As people were jumping onto that the BSA, RIAA, and billions of the CAUSE of their bloody e-mails.

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    2. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by uncoveror · · Score: 1, Troll

      Now that the bubble has burst, WorldCom(edY) plans to pay its remaining employes with funny money, and open company stores where they can use it. It was all Scott Sullivan's idea.

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    3. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      read your post repeatedly and fail to understand what you are trying to say.

      I suspect you may be composing in French, and then posting certain weak idiomatic translations.
      If that's the case, I'd rather read good French than poor English.

    4. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by The+Dobber · · Score: 1

      So whats the deal with The Uncoverer. Was this a high school project gone horrible awry?

      While not meaning to crush your budding ego, the proported stories are sad. Obviously your trying for a National Enquirer feel, but hitting more like a NewsMax done by humorless dead people.

      Just my opinion.

    5. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by Rudeboy777 · · Score: 2, Funny

      If \. is the MS equivalent of /. then I think humanity is a lost cause.

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    6. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by The+Turd+Report · · Score: 1

      Christ, it is bad enouth to have that plastered all over FuckedCompany, but do you have to do it here too? It was gay when I first saw it and it just gets gayer everytime you re-post it. It isn't funny.

    7. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by pasinpsycho · · Score: 1

      Maybe we need to have a BackSlashDot, where everyone can bitch about things they read on SlashDot, the SlashDot editors and anything else those people bitch about!

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    8. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by Snover · · Score: 1

      Backslash-dot, eh? That's gotta be, like, helping sites by, y'know, mirroring them before they get posted here.

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    9. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.backslashdot.com/body_intro.html

      - web design company got there first!

    10. Re:Internet traffic doubles every 100 days.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bot. read some of it's other posts. the real humour is in people like you who dont completely get it, but you'll be enlightened soon.

  4. Just in case: here it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Redundant

    The power of WorldCom's puff

    Jul 18th 2002
    From The Economist print edition

    Exaggerated figures for Internet traffic inflated the telecoms bubble

    IT WAS an essential ingredient of dotcom business plans and conference slide-shows: Internet traffic, went the industry's favourite statistic, doubles every 100 days. The claim assumed unimpeachable status when it appeared in a report published by America's Department of Commerce in April 1998. Unfortunately for the telecoms firms that rushed to build networks to carry the reported surge in traffic, it wasn't true.

    So where did the claim come from? According to Andrew Odlyzko, a former researcher at AT&T who is now at the University of Minnesota, the short answer is WorldCom. Every time that Mr Odlyzko tried to trace the claim to its source, he says, he was always "pointed at folks from WorldCom", typically Bernie Ebbers, its recently departed chief executive, or John Sidgmore, his replacement. The claim in the Department of Commerce's report, for example, is attributed to UUNET, WorldCom's Internet subsidiary. As the world's largest carrier of Internet traffic, UUNET was assumed to know the numbers.

    To be fair, says Mr Odlyzko, Internet traffic did grow this quickly in 1995 and 1996, when the Internet first went mainstream. But since then, he estimates, annual growth has settled down at around 70-150%, a far cry from the 700-1,500% trumpeted by WorldCom. The myth of 100-day doubling, however, refused to die. In a press release from 1997 WorldCom referred to traffic "almost doubling every quarter". At a conference in 1998, Mr Sidgmore's presentation included graphs that referred to 1,000% annual growth. In fact, he was referring to the growth of network capacity, not network traffic. But it was widely assumed that traffic was growing just as fast. WorldCom executives made similar claims in interviews published in 2000.

    Rival telecoms companies believed the myth and cited UUNET's figures, even if their own traffic figures disagreed. That just meant their salesmen were not selling capacity fast enough. Mr Odlyzko recalls meetings at AT&T where his claims that growth was actually far slower were dismissed. Instead, he was told, "we just have to try harder to match those growth rates and catch up with WorldCom." Companies such as Global Crossing and Qwest soon resorted to "hollow swaps" and other dubious tricks to boost sales and traffic figures. Meanwhile, shares in Internet companies soared, and the telecoms industry engaged in an orgy of network construction in preparation for a deluge that never came. WorldCom executives, says Mr Odlyzko, are thus "more responsible for inflating the Internet bubble than anyone."

  5. Pop goes the weasel by Weffs11 · · Score: 1

    Defated the internet bubble, then popped themselves.

  6. Hmm.. by iONiUM · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    WorldCom's role in starting the myth

    Maybe spam companies will finally realize that spamming isn't as effective as they thought. If there's not as many new users as they thought, then perhaps they'll realize most of their bloody e-mails are just being deleted :-)

    1. Re:Hmm.. by saider · · Score: 2, Insightful
      How much capacity does spam take up? The article mentions 70-150% growth. I know my spam increase is growing about 70-150% a year.

      How much of that is due to companies adopting spam as an advertising medium?

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    2. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In byte volume, spam is way, way less than 1% of the traffic.

    3. Re:Hmm.. by The+Turd+Report · · Score: 1

      Very little. Considering that a fraction of 1% of WorldCom's customers are spammers, they don't contribute that much to the traffic. Most traffic from WorldCom, or any large NSP, is legit traffic.

    4. Re:Hmm.. by The+Turd+Report · · Score: 1

      Seeing how spam is maybe 1% of all traffic coming out of most NSPs, most backbones wouldn't even notice a drop in traffic, if all spammers just up and died.

    5. Re:Hmm.. by tx_mgm · · Score: 1

      ill bet the space taken up on mail servers is pretty significant, tho.
      most spam ive seen has ~100Kb html files attached. multiply that by the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of recipients *per mail* and you end up with a lot of wasted hard drive space somewhere out there...

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    6. Re:Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean? WorldCom owns UUNET. Where do you think spammers live?

    7. Re:Hmm.. by The+Turd+Report · · Score: 1

      The live everywhere. UUnet, Sprint, C&W, XO, Broadwing, Verison, etc... They are in Asia, Europe, N. America, S. America, Austrailia, hell I have even gotten spam from Africa. To say that all spam comes from UUnet is stupid to say the least.

  7. I'm sure it did.. a long time ago.. by Callamon · · Score: 1

    As people were jumping onto that new-fangled internet thing, I'm sure the bandwidth usage did double every 100 days (maybe less).. But that wouldn't be a fixed value, the increase would have slowed over time, as the market became saturated.

    1. Re:I'm sure it did.. a long time ago.. by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      Connections did double every three-four months its just that everyone up the line over subscribes their connection, because traffic didn't. The myth that traffic was doubling every 3-4 months might have been true between 1995 and 1996, but wasn't after that. Its bad because so many businesses and VC investments based their revenue expectations on the traffic doubling every few months, similarly to Moore's law.

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    2. Re:I'm sure it did.. a long time ago.. by Zordak · · Score: 2
      As people were jumping onto that new-fangled internet thing, I'm sure the bandwidth usage did double every 100 days
      Not that anybody ever reads the articles (especially the editors), but:
      "To be fair, says Mr Odlyzko, Internet traffic did grow this quickly in 1995 and 1996, when the Internet first went mainstream. But since then, he estimates, annual growth has settled down at around 70-150%, a far cry from the 700-1,500% trumpeted by WorldCom."
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    3. Re:I'm sure it did.. a long time ago.. by Bonker · · Score: 2

      As the article stated, in the very earliest days of internet adoption in the early 90's this was true.

      If you ready geek literature and oldies but goldies such as the Jargon file, you'll find note of the the 'Fall that Never Ended' or the 'New Semester that never Ended'. Of course before about 1990, the only new internet users were new students at internet-connected universities. Thus, every fall saw a spurt of growth, and every summer saw a dramatic decline.

      In 1993 and 1994, when the first versions of Netscape (and later, Internet Explorer) first came out and the web really became accessible to people who weren't geeks, it spawned that 100% every 100 days boom. That leveled off real quick. The internet is still developing... just not in the United States.

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    4. Re:I'm sure it did.. a long time ago.. by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      "The {Fall,September,Semester} that Never ended" refers to AOL coming onto the Internet. Before, the newbie stuff lasted for maybe a month or so, after the start of the new school year. After that, it never ended.

      <AOL>ME TOO!</AOL>

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  8. i believe it... by edrugtrader · · Score: 2, Funny

    my pr0n collection doubles every 100 days.

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    1. Re:i believe it... by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 0, Troll

      That's funny, my penis doubles every 100 days as well thanks to this lobby:

      http://www.theonion.com/onion3825/anti-spam_legi sl ation.html

    2. Re:i believe it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, it should be visible to the naked eye sometime next year? Congratz! I am sure your gay lover will be sooo happy!

    3. Re:i believe it... by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2

      I wish I could double my pr0n collection, but I simply don't have the bandwidth. If this figure they quoted was for installed bandwidth, rather than used bandwidth, there should be a glut of bandwidth on the market. Meanwhile, I'm stuck with an unreliable 1.5Mb down/128Kb up connection, supposedly because at the higher speeds I used to enjoy I will consume too much bandwidth. I know AT&T has metric shitloads of fiber to everywhere. Sure much of the fiber is dark, but it could be lit quickly. Rather than simply adding capacity when they add customers they cap the amount of bandwidth available. More revenue for the same outlay. AT&T is already making 20% margins (Q1 2002) but they still sqeeze me for more money while decreasing the level of service. It's like a restaurant only giving you 2 pancakes instead of 4 like you are used to receiving because they had more customers than usual. Then charging you an extra dollar to boot. So I guess my question is: where is my part of this massive bandwidth?

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    4. Re:i believe it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is the parent a troll? stupid moderator

    5. Re:i believe it... by digitalsushi · · Score: 2


      Meanwhile, I'm stuck with an unreliable 1.5Mb down/128Kb up connection

      Oh WAAAAAAAAA

      I'd trade your 1544kbit connection for my 0.96kbit over this modem. Don't believe me? Go ahead, ping my IP. I'll email you with an ETA for the pong. :-D

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    6. Re:i believe it... by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2
      0.96kbit over this modem

      That one I would have to see to believe. I can get better throughput than that with the IP over Avian Carriers Protocol. Even my very first modem which was only 1200 baud had better throughput than that.

      My point was that I used to get 5-6Mb/s downstream and 1-2Mb/s upstream and now get much less for a larger price. As the service became more popular rather than adding capacity they capped the speed. Bandwidth for a large telecommunications provider like AT&T is cheap and they should not degrade my service simply because they have more customers. I realize that not everyone has access to high-speed connections, but I do and I pay for it. I would still rather deal with the abusive nature and predatory tactics of AT&T than go back to dial-up. And therein lies the problem. They know that many of their customers will not return to dial-up, and for many people (like myself) cable is the only option available. So they can pretty much do anything they want and get away with it.

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    7. Re:i believe it... by crimson30 · · Score: 0

      Isn't 0.96kbits the same 9600 baud?

      Anyway, given how 2400 was panifully slow for BBSing... I'd hate to see internet related traffic with a thoughput any less than 28.8...

    8. Re:i believe it... by Bush+Pig · · Score: 0

      No.

      9600 baud _roughly_ equates to 9.6kbit (but it's not a strict relationship). Perhaps the poster meant 0.96Kbyte/s.

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  9. What about the myths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    about my penis growth?!?!

  10. Thats wrong by happyhippy · · Score: 5, Funny

    It should be 'annoying X10 pop unders double every 100 days'

    1. Re:Thats wrong by GuyFromAccounting · · Score: 4, Funny

      As far as I can tell, X10 stopped using pop under adds the same day I replaced IE with Mozilla.

    2. Re:Thats wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are SOOOO cool... WOW!! We should all run Mozilla!!! WOOOHOOO!!! Hippie...

    3. Re:Thats wrong by flonker · · Score: 2

      Wow, we must have switched on the same day.

  11. To put things in perspective... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1
    Here are some other such 'myths' that where generated for the benefit of a certain group:

    -You need 8 hours sleep per night (Sleeping aids/pills companies)
    -You should go to McDonald's every day (Have you had your break today?)
    -Carrots make your eyesight better (Myth used by the Allies in WWII to hide the fact that they had made advances regarding the lighting colour of intrumentation in airplane cockpits resulting in better weapons accuracy)
    -Pepsi is better than Coca Cola :P

    1. Re:To put things in perspective... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • Carrots make your eyesight better (Myth used by the Allies in WWII to hide the fact that they had made advances regarding the lighting colour of intrumentation in airplane cockpits resulting in better weapons accuracy)

      Radar, not instrumentation lighting. Not that I should really be wasting time answering an AC, but urban legends should be strangled at birth.

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  13. I wish by Uttles · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    If that were true, maybe EDUSlash.com's membership would double every day

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    1. Re:I wish by Uttles · · Score: 0

      or... 100 days... oops

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  14. And we all see the effect... by Noofus · · Score: 1

    Worldcom creates the bubble that says net growth doubles every hundred days. Then everyone says "oh crap, we better double our bandwidth every hunder days". All those other companies dont use as much, and *poof* they die.

    Why did it take so long for this to catch up with worldcom? Oh, maybe its their shady accounting...

    1. Re:And we all see the effect... by Oculus+Habent · · Score: 2

      I wonder how much this contributed to KPNQwest's death?

      Watch out, companies will start suing WorldCom for unfair/uncompetetive business practices.

      Of course, if WorldCom had meant to hurt others, they wouldn't have spent billions on a network that didn't need to exist yet.

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  15. Not to troll, but.. by f00zbll · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I remember president Ronald Reagan pulling the same kind of stuff when he was in office. Some of the statistics Reagan quoted in his public speeches often were wrong or had no data supporting the claim. Why is it that people buy into BS when it comes out of the president or some CEO?

    Are people being stupid, or simply letting themselves get caught up in the excitement?

    1. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Noofus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its simply because people trust statistics from any sort of authority figure.

      If the PRESIDENT says something, people assume he MUST be right.

      If says "our industry is growing FAST FAST FAST", people will believe it. This appears to be how bubbles form (Enron, Worlcom, etc). People will believe statistics if they seem somewhat reasonable and come from what appears to be a reputable source.

      Besides, this doubling every 100 days figure seemed like a great concept to latch onto (gee, humanity is becoming more connected...thats great!)

      So I guess the answer IMO, is that people ARE just getting caught up in excitement.

    2. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to go back to Ronald Reagan to find an account of that? What planet are you from?

    3. Re:Not to troll, but.. by medcalf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This kind of thing happens all the time. Sometimes it's an honest mis-statement or a result of unstated assumptions. Sometimes it's a blatant lie. The perception of the false comment's status generally depends on your political views. (For example, a Republican would be suspicious of Clintonian whoppers, while a Democrat would be forgiving; and the opposite dynamic would hold with Republican political statements.)

      That said, the reason that most people swallow them whole is because people believe what they hear from figures deemed "in authority", such as politicians, CEOs, doctors, and the mainstream media. All, interestingly enough, of these sources have egos the size of Texas and consciences the size of Guam. Why do people trust authority figures, given that there is every rational and historical reason to distrust them instead? Probably has an evolutionary basis (in that cohesive groups had better odds of survival, and adherence to authority in a crisis increased the cohesiveness of the group). In fact, the military deliberately teaches officers and non-coms the tone and style of speach needed to get instant obedience.

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    4. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If the PRESIDENT says something, people assume he MUST be right.

      You mean the way Shrub said the economy was doing great and there was nothing to worry about? Yeah, a lot of people listened to that one. It always seemed to me that no one believed the president on anything.

    5. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's not just a case of people being stupid because they believe the President or a CEO, it's a case of people (Americans, anyway) pretty much believing anything that's delivered with authority. All you have to do is form a committee or an agency, and then have them publish/say whatever they want because the average person is dumb, gullible and trusting. You achieve the same result if you have an important sounding title ("V.P. of blah, blah, blah.." or "Director..."), or just make lots of outright suggestions that don't necessarily state a point, but certainly lead the listener/viewer to a specific conclusion, just like the ads for Windows XP. Those ads make a non-technical person think their life will be completely different because of XP; they'll be happy, smiling, etc., and everything will be great. This whole country is about marketing and sales, every single thing we do. Why's it any different when it comes from the President?

    6. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Zoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nobody without an axe to grind ever checks sources, and additionally, people are statistically innumerate.

      For example, when you hear some group come out and say "1 in 3 women are sexually assaulted every year they're at college," you have to get into Clintonesque parsings of the meaning of "sexual assault", because it means that if assaults are truly random, almost all women will have been victimized by the time they get out of school. Advocates will say "yes, that's true" and invent a reason they think 90% of women don't report an assault.

      It usually turns out that assault means "felt uncomfortable and/or threatened in an ecounter with the opposite sex." How many of us haven't felt uncomfortable? I'm surprised the statistic is a mere 1/3.

      Then there are ones that advocates make up out of whole cloth or unrepresentative samples, like 10% of us are homosexuals (based on a self-reporting study of inmates defining homosexual as having had a sexual situation or thought dealing with the same sex--IN PRISON) or that there are a million homeless.

      In each case, people fail to translate a statistic to its logical outcome or don't apply Occam's Razor to decide that it's more likely someone is inflating a statistic for personal gain (get funding for your issue/company) than it is that life is severely different than we think and we've been indulging in false consciousness all these years.

    7. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      "This kind of thing happens all the time. Sometimes it's an honest mis-statement or a result of unstated assumptions. Sometimes it's a blatant lie. The perception of the false comment's status generally depends on your political views. (For example, a Republican would be suspicious of Clintonian whoppers, while a Democrat would be forgiving; and the opposite dynamic would hold with Republican political statements.)"

      Correct. Also consider that all Presidents are extremely busy. Most of their facts come from associates, and mistakes get made. Of course perceptions are 99 percent of this anyway. Reagan did no more or less of this than any other recent President. The fact that he was an excellent communicator and really got his points across convincingly is what really irkes the left-wingers.

      On the other hand, we do have a recent example of an out-and-out blatant lie, from a certain Democratic President. Does "I did not had sexual relations with that woman" ring any bells?

    8. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Noofus · · Score: 1

      I dont believe of a word of what the "Shrub" says.

      Im not sure many do these days. The parent to my post was reffering to Regan, who many people did trust (I have no idea why, but I digress).

      In Regan's case it was a similar issue. People trusted him to tell them things, and when he said bogus stuff, nobody knew any better and simply believed him.

    9. Re:Not to troll, but.. by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      All, interestingly enough, of these sources have egos the size of Texas and consciences the size of Guam.

      Bad example. While Guam might be small compared to Texas, it's still pretty darned big in the absolute sense. I.e., it's a lot bigger than I am. For future reference, I would choose something like ``consciences the size of a flea.''

      On a more serious note, might I ask that you consider being a little bit more careful with your words in the future. Saying this like, ``All of these sources [politicians, CEOs, doctors...] have egos the size of Texas,'' is an overgeneralization, and a rude one. My girlfriend is a doctor, as are most of our friends. While there are egoists out there, I'd have to say that all but one or two of the doctors I know are the most humble people you could hope to meet. We've talked about it before, over dinners and such: they all agree that being a doctor is an overwhelming responsibility. If you let it go to your head, you might get arrogant, but the fact is that simple fear keeps you from thinking too highly of yourself.

      I'd just ask that you think twice before generalizing in the future.

    10. Re:Not to troll, but.. by bcwengerter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sometimes it's an honest mis-statement or a result of unstated assumptions. Sometimes it's a blatant lie.

      That seems like a reasonable thing to say. Then we get to...

      such as politicians, CEOs, doctors, and the mainstream media. All, interestingly enough, of these sources have egos the size of Texas and consciences the size of Guam.

      I'm still trying to figure out where that statement falls in between honest mis-statement and blatant lie. :-) Do you really believe what you're saying, or are you exaggerating to make some kind of point? How many politicians, CEO's or doctors do you actually know? Do you speak from experience, or are you just making misleading statements based on false assumptions, just like the people you lament?

    11. Re:Not to troll, but.. by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

      Our entire economy seems to be based on lies. CEOs, Executives, working for bonuses and stock options, Salesmen working for commissions. Politicians running for office. Everyone tells us what we want to hear just to grab our money. The liars lie, the suckers buy, then it all comes crashing down. The honest man who works for a flat wage or salary always ends up getting screwed. When enough bubbles burst at once, the economy goes into recession, and depression. The second great depression seems to be on the horizon. There has got to be a better way then "greed is good, and the dollar is god" We need to stop pretending that the difference between right and wrong goes away if we are in business.

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    12. Re:Not to troll, but.. by RogerWilco · · Score: 1

      Most people are not capable of understanding statistics, and will just believe it, because it is statistics. I believe it's called numerical analphabetism (if you understand what I mean).

      Most people don't understand that to have realiable statistical information, you have a lot of things to do right, and even then there will be a margin of error left.

      If you ask 2 people and one of them agrees, that does not mean 50% of all people agree. Statistics is a science of *large* numbers, only then does it have any possible validity. Most people do not understand that. (the /. readers might be statistically different, but then they are hardly a representation of the general populous.)

      Adriaan Renting.

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    13. Re:Not to troll, but.. by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      most people swallow them whole is because people believe what they hear from figures deemed "in authority", such as politicians, CEOs, doctors, and the mainstream media.

      NAPOLEON: What shall we do with this soldier, Guiseppe? Everything he says is wrong.
      GUISEPPE: Make him a general, Excellency, and then everything he says will be right.
      -- G. B. Shaw, "The Man of Destiny"

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    14. Re:Not to troll, but.. by BrookHarty · · Score: 2

      You know the fact about 500K kids are kidnapped each year? The truth is most are run aways, and 5K are kidnapped by family members. Out of that, around 100 are kidnapped by strangers. Read this on some FBI response to the total amount value reported by missing children agencies. They claim the number has dropped by to under 100 in 2001.

      How would I know how many kids are kidnapped? News and word of mouth are the only stats I get. Who can you trust will give you correct answers? The news makes it look like every minute a little kid is kidnapped, we have had 2 in the last couple of weeks, lucky 1 got away.

    15. Re:Not to troll, but.. by elmegil · · Score: 2

      What medcalf conveniently left out was that geeks belong on that list too. I mean that seriously--inasmuch as you can accuse all doctors of huge ego, tiny conscience, you can accuse geeks of it too. Just think back to the last IT consultant you knew for a prime example.... And of course the same bit about "most are our friends" also applies.....

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    16. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It usually turns out that assault means "felt uncomfortable and/or threatened in an ecounter with the opposite sex." How many of us haven't felt uncomfortable? I'm surprised the statistic is a mere 1/3

      Actually, the study that showed this (often quoted) statistic said it was 1 in 4... and it wasn't just "felt uncomfortable"... one of the questions was "Have you ever had sex, then regretted it the next morning?" *bing* If the participant answered yes, then the "study" said she had been sexually assaulted.

      An interesting side note to this is that one of the questions was "do you believe you have been the victim of a sexual assault?"... the response rate of this was 9%..

      So even though only 9% of the women polled thought they had been sexually assaulted, the people doing the study still claim 25%..

    17. Re:Not to troll, but.. by taernim · · Score: 1

      On an unrelated sidenote, 72.4% of all statistical figures are made up.

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    18. Re:Not to troll, but.. by medcalf · · Score: 2
      Do you really believe what you're saying, or are you exaggerating to make some kind of point?

      I am exaggerating to make a point. That said, while there are certainly humble politicians, CEOs, doctors and journalists, it does seem that the majority of each of these professions have large egos and a significant number of professionals in each category seem to have little conscience in some senses.

      How many politicians, CEO's or doctors do you actually know?

      Personally know? 1 politician, 2 current and 1 former CEOs, 1 doctor and 1 ex-journalist.

      Also note that by "huge ego", I am not saying "arrogant". The difference is that a person with a huge ego assumes that they are correct and acts on that assumption until convinced otherwise, while a person who is arrogant cannot be convinced that they are in any way wrong.

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    19. Re:Not to troll, but.. by medcalf · · Score: 2

      Geeks do not (generally) belong on the list, because they are not (generally) authority figures. I was making the point that classes of people in authority tend to have two particular traits, which does not imply that others having those traits are in authority.

      In other words, A implies B does not mean that B necessarily implies A.

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    20. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you sound this pompus in your post, I can just imagine that your girlfrind and her doctor friends must sound like a bad "Sex in the City" episode.

      pu-lease...

    21. Re:Not to troll, but.. by HiThere · · Score: 2

      I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss that "1 million homeless" statistic. I doubt that there's much more than an estimate behind it, but if that translated into, say, 1 person out of 100, then I would be willing to believe it. This sure isn't proof, and it definitely used to be a lot fewer, but a substantial fraction of people earning minimum wage can't afford housing, and some of them only have fake addresses. (If rent in your city is over $1000 / mo for a one bedroom apt., and minimum wage is $5 / hr. [numbers choosen for ease of calculation], then renting the apt. costs 200 hours. And that's assuming that there are no taxes. At 40 hr/week, 200 hours is 5 weeks. Whoops! And that leaves no cash for food, clothes, medicine, etc.

      Now I believe that minimum wage is higher than that, but so is the cost of housing (at in the city least where I live). So socially ept people live at several per 1 room apt., but if there are disagreements, then someone ends up on the street. And stays there.

      The only moral I can draw is: "Don't be poor."
      But I feel that 1 million homeless may be lowballing the problem.

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    22. Re:Not to troll, but.. by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      Dude, you're like: "No that statistic is wrong, and so was the question asked..." Did it occur to you that he was talking about a *different* study?

    23. Re:Not to troll, but.. by kris_lang · · Score: 1

      Not only does this happen all the time, but after a short while these myths take on a life stronger than the truth. A very old canard is that people only use about 10% of their brainpower. The root source of this disappears in the 1920's-1930's, but as far as I've been able to find, there is NO BASIS in fact for such a statement. It appears to rest on the fact that there are non-neuronal elements in the brain: glia and cellular matrix and vascular elements. Well, of course! It's like saying that we only use 10% of a building because look at all of the volume unoccupied by humans. The support structure is a necessary part of the whole. Or it's like saying that matter is effectively not there because the particles that make up atoms do not occupy more than 0.01% of the volume that an atom occupies. Lies, lies, and distorted and un-reviewed statistics!

    24. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Prune · · Score: 1

      >> Probably has an evolutionary basis (in that cohesive groups had better odds of survival, and adherence to authority in a crisis increased the cohesiveness of the group).

      No. Natural selection only works on the level of individuals (actually genes). Whole groups are not selected for. It has been theorized that group selection is possible, but in practice it does not occur on this planet at least.

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    25. Re:Not to troll, but.. by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Well, I feel 'geeks' are authority figures in some settings.

      Often enough, I try to actively deflate that authority, by suggesting to somebody publicly that they have a mechanic install grease fittings on their hard drive, or similar such nonsense.

      People think that because you're capable of fixing the muckup in their PC, that you're some sort of authoritah.

    26. Re:Not to troll, but.. by elmegil · · Score: 2
      Geeks are indeed often authority figures. Not frequently to "the world at large", but even that is changing, with the internet in every home etc. etc. But when it comes to technology issues, geeks are very definitely authority figures, and they act like it.

      I could tell my parents that they had to stand on their heads to get their earthlink connection to work after my dad has screwed it up again, and they'd do their best to do it. Not because it makes sense, but because I'm the authority. The number of people who ask me for advice about computers (most frequently: "what should I buy for Johnny when he goes away to college") once they hear I work for a big computer company (never mind that Sun has nothing to do with the PC that Johnny would own himself) is staggering. People ask about internet, home networks, PC hardware, mac hardware, you name it, because I'm a geek and in their mind I am the authority to give them the straight scoop on these issues (because after all, I'm not only a geek, but one they know and trust).

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    27. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paul Grice's "Cooperative Principle" addresses the issue of trust -- humans are naturally cooperative and wish to help one another. By extension, they expect others to do the same. Or, by Adlerian theory, humans recognize the need to exist socially because we are inferior to nature and require cooperation for survival. So, we trust authority figures because we feel safer working with others than alone. Lies violate the cooperative principle (specifically, the "Maxim of Quality" -- the notion that information given should be accurate) and thus threaten the interdependence we have constructed to support us.

    28. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2

      Be fair. Practically every successful politician walking pulled that shazz. I hated Reagan as much as the next liberal, but Gore made a whole lot more grievous lies before he became veep. Helms was another massive offender in that regard.

      "In my great state, there's a plumber named Egbert Hershog who lost his home to ravenous man-eating spiders. This never would have happened if we had passed bill #234423..." etc. Lies, lies, lies.

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    29. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Group selection occurs. If seperate two groups are the same size and border each other, they may have differences in language and culture. If one of these groups' culture enables them to dominate the other, they can crush the other group and force group-level evolution. In fact, any time a tribe of people have been wiped out it is a group-level evolution.

    30. Re:Not to troll, but.. by mtrupe · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... I wonder if Clinton ever lied??? Hmmm...

    31. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um, can any of you point to any of these studies to support your claims? Or are you just passing along vague understandings of something you read somewhere, sometime?

      This is as much the problem as anything.

    32. Re: Not to troll, but.. by pjrc · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Ok, I know it's off-topic, but...

      ... unrepresentative samples, like 10% of us are homosexuals (based on a self-reporting study of inmates defining homosexual as having had a sexual situation or thought dealing with the same sex--IN PRISON)

      I've heard the 10% number over the years and believed it, so out of curiousity I did a little little google search, and whattaya know, the #1 result was this 10% myth page from the Family Research Institute.

      Also featured today on the Family Research Institute home page:

      • Homosexual rape is 5-10% of all rape and is increasing
      • Story of Jim, homosexual sex offendor
      • Link between pedophilia and homosexuality
      • Children raised by homosexuals have "childhood difficulties"
      • Special Study on Homosexuality (realaudio "lessons", I didn't bother listening to it)

      You can also check out their " educational pamphlets", such as " Medical Consequences of What Homosexuals Do" ... utter homophobia (and a lot of hetrosexual couples have oral sex, anal sex, kinky S&M play, but the text is pure FUD, mostly Fear) I wonder if their pamphlets are made by the Chick Tract guys.

      Later on the same google result is this paper which at first appears to be based on some honest research which claims 5% and goes on to say "On the basis of the Bagley et al.(1994) sample data, it is now known that the recent studies producing 1%(90) to 3% estimates for gay males, or for males who are homosexually active, are seriously flawed." Turns out this one is hosted by the Queer Resources Directory, but the author appears to be dedicated to helping troubled homosexual teens (more google searching)

      So I guess I learned something new today. The gay population numbers are in a lot more dispute than WorldCom's traffic growth due to the tension between homosexual communities and homophobic right-wing groups, the 10% number I've always heard before does appear to be a bit high. Hmm. Personally, I'm het, but I'd much rather be around people who are homosexual than people who are homophobic. Fortunately, repressed homophobics are a lot easier to spot.

      Very off-topic, someone please mod me down, if for nothing else other than wasting time on this instead of what I should be working on....

    33. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're absolutely right. The NRA has dealt with stuff like this for a long time now.

      Yet, in many cases, statistics don't even factor into the bullshit. Look at smoking. Listen to the anti-smoking gestapo, for example, and you'll start believing that anyone who even dares to touch a cigarette will end up on oxygen.

      Remember kids, the people who smoke four packs a day don't represent the majority. ;)

      Now, not to say that guns shouldn't be handled carefully, or that smoking is absolutely risk free, hardly. However, people need to figure out the facts for themselves, on almost any issue, instead of listening to some slackjawed yokel who's seeking some funding for their latest pet project.

      I'm almost glad that there's just a few highly visible idiocies that we have to deal with. Imagine the horror if people started believing the entire 'toothpaste causes genetic mutation and cancer!' bit! (It does, however, the amount of flouride you'd need to freaking ingest.. :P)

    34. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Theodrake · · Score: 1

      I think it is more, he said what most of the people wanted to hear. So they choose to believe, because it was what they wanted to believe. Same with CEOs. People wanted to believe their stock value would keep increasing and wouldn't listen to Greenspan, who kept saying the market is way overpriced.

    35. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ah, a chance to be pendantic. Egoist is not the same thing as egotist. An egoist may, indeed often will, have a good understanding of is/her limitations. The difference is that an egoist acts according to his/her own self-interest and finds the idea of self sacrifice abhorrent.
      egoist Pronunciation Key (g-st, g-)
      n.
      One devoted to one's own interests and advancement; an egocentric person.
      An egotist, on the other hand, simply thinks that, "when I die the world will end." In other words, an egotist will make statements like , "I'm bigger than Jesus," etc. The egotist has an inflated sense of his/her own value compared to the reality of the situation.
      egotist Pronunciation Key (g-tst, g-)
      n.
      A conceited, boastful person.
      A selfish, self-centered person.
      I don't think you can even determine that egotist is a subset of egoist, and certainly egoist isn't a subset of egotist. There are probably people who are both, though.

      Of course, that was probably just a typo....

    36. Re:Not to troll, but.. by schon · · Score: 2, Informative

      can any of you point to any of these studies to support your claims?

      The "one in four" study, done by Mark Koss was commissioned in 1985 by Ms. magazine; It was published (in Ms. magazine) in 1988.

      To the best of my knowledge, the Ms./Koss Study is not anywhere on the web; however, it (along with a few others) is covered very well in the following:

      http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html

    37. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Iffy+Bonzoolie · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, we do have a recent example of an out-and-out blatant lie, from a certain Democratic President. Does "I did not had sexual relations with that woman" ring any bells?

      Fortunately, the truth, or lack thereof, of that statement has no real bearing on life as we know it for 99.999% of The World's population (approx.). Whew! Close one!

      -If

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    38. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why do people trust authority figures, given that there is every rational and historical reason to distrust them instead?

      It's easier to do. Saves the pain of ambiguity and thinking things through. If everyone else believes something, it must be true and a waste of effort to consider it, right?

    39. Re:Not to troll, but.. by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2
      Why is it that people buy into BS when it comes out of the president or some CEO?

      How exactly do you think they got in those positions in the first place ;-) ?

      That's their main qualification!

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    40. Re:Not to troll, but.. by dubl-u · · Score: 2

      I think there's a dynamic at work that forces a lot of those professions to be, on average, less than humble, too.

      On one end, basic monkey wiring dictates that we prefer following people who appear confident. (Check Chimpanzee Politics or any popular book on leadership.) This is doubly true in an emergency or in a high-stakes situation where the right path isn't obvious to all. So any politicians, doctors, or CEOs who are honestly willing to admit that they are muddling along like the rest of us are unlikely to rise (or perhaps even stay) in those professions.

      On the other end, it takes quite a bit of self-confidence to say, "Out of a quarter-billion citizens, I am the best choice to lead the free world." It is hard to imagine that, say, George Bush, is a naturally modest man who came to that realization through careful introspection and honest-self assessment.

      And in the middle, training often doesn't help. Business school, politico schoool, and to a certain extent medical school seem to make ego inflation part of the curriculum. I've had friends go through all three, and they can be insufferable until they resume contact with the real world. If they ever do, that is. High corporate managers and politicians are so isolated from the effects of their actions, that they may never know whether or not they are doing anything useful. And my doctor sees me about four minutes a year, so I can't imagine he gets much useful feedback either.

    41. Re:Not to troll, but.. by TKinias · · Score: 1

      I remember president Ronald Reagan pulling the same kind of stuff when he was in office. Some of the statistics Reagan quoted in his public speeches often were wrong or had no data supporting the claim. Why is it that people buy into BS when it comes out of the president or some CEO?

      That was KAL 007, the Korean 747 which a Soviet fighter mistakenly shot down. Reagan waved about a pile of paper, saying that he was holding proof that the Russkis knew they were shooting down a civilian airliner. It was pure fiction. (The true story, as I recall, was that the KAL flight had gone off course and was unwittingly following a similar flight plan to the American ELINT, or electronic intelligence, aircraft, which routinely "tested" Soviet air defences. Those aircraft, incidentally, were converted transport planes -- not too different from an airliner.)

      I have to say, however, that I'm not sure lying for the sake of boosting profits and lying for the sake of increasing tensions with a nuclear-armed superpower are strictly comparable.

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    42. Re:Not to troll, but.. by jazman_777 · · Score: 1
      I dont believe of a word of what the "Shrub" says.

      Who's the last president you could trust? It's a politician's job to lie....

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    43. Re: Not to troll, but.. by RebelTycoon · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So are you a giver or a taker? Speak up you homo!

    44. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Observer2001 · · Score: 1

      >I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss that "1 million homeless" statistic. I doubt that there's much more than an estimate behind it

      Actually, why not use Census Bureau numbers? According to an article last year, the Census Bureau counted 228,621 homeless in 1990 and 280,527 in 2000. These numbers aren't without controversy; homeless advocates don't like them. Nonetheless, I think it can be reasonably argued that the number of homeless is probably under half a million. Still a lot of people, but not the three million that some have asserted.

    45. Re:Not to troll, but.. by f00zbll · · Score: 1
      Doh! I didn't expect that many responses to such a simple question. I'd have to agree with a lot of the posts and say most politicians lie, but I am still puzzled as to why so many people believe statistics, and opinions from people in power as fact. It's not isolated to politicians and executives. I've had similar experiences in church where the pastor, priest, or monk says "this is the interpretation accepted as the best."

      Maybe I'm an optimist, but I tend to think people aren't that dumb. Perhaps people get lost in the moment, go along with the flow and forget there's a real consequence. But I'm sure if you ask Clinton, Bush or Reagan, they'll tell you the "true" reason :)

    46. Re:Not to troll, but.. by HiThere · · Score: 2

      The main reason not to trust the census is that the government has a vested interest in undercounting the poor. This sure isn't proof. OK.

      So a secondary reason to not trust the census is that I knew someone who worked in the last census, and that person reported that there was pressure to turn in numbers even if they had to make them up. (Yes, the supervisor who was applying the pressure was replaced. But only after the count was essentially done.)

      And a third reason to not trust the census is that homeless people don't have an address, so you can't mail a census form to them, or, they pretend that they do, and lie about where they live. (Two choices here. Both should lead to census undercounts.)

      So far I haven't thought of any systematic reasons that would result in overcounts of homeless people, though I'm open to suggestions. (That would make the census even less dependable, though. You wouldn't even know which direction is was biased in.)

      ((The real reason that I didn't use the census count is because I didn't think of it.))

      Still, I doubt ... largely because I want to ... that the undercount was over 100%, so I guess I could accept you limit of half a million. (That's one in how many?) The census says 281,421,906 , but I'm finding it quite difficult to accept that the number of homeless people is as small as 1 in 600. I'd find 1 in 300 hard to accept. Perhaps, though, the northern states, and the ones with more ferocious weather have a smaller proportion than I see locally.

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    47. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another popular, not-entirely-credible statistic is the estimate that one in four women in the US has been raped.

      If you survey a decent sample of women, explaining to them what rape is, that it includes date rape, etc., and then ask them "Have you ever been raped?", you will get much, much less than 25% saying 'yes'.

      The people who came up with the 1/4 rape statistic did by supposing that most women who have been raped don't realize it was really rape, or won't admit it on a survey. This is a legitimate concern in a survey, especially about something like rape. I don't know a good way to correct for it. Unfortunately these people, also not having a good way to correct for it, went ahead and used a *bad* way to correct for it. Instead of asking about rape, they basically asked the question "Has anyone ever touched you in a way that you didn't want them to."

      There are obvious problems with this, such as legitimate medical exams getting turned into rape statistics.

    48. Re: Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No no, 'receiver', not 'taker'.

    49. Re: Not to troll, but.. by seanadams.com · · Score: 2

      So are you a giver or a taker? Speak up you homo!

      pj & rc are married. Not everyone is such a homophobe that they're afraid to even share their thoughts on the topic. Grow up.

    50. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Only" 9%? That's one woman in 11!

    51. Re:Not to troll, but.. by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > if that translated into, say, 1 person out of 100

      Actually, it's closer to one in 260, and I don't doubt it at all. But, most places where a 1-bedroom apartment costs a grand have very few minimum-wage jobs. If you are stuck in minimum wage in a place like that, I suggest you move. West Virginia is a nice place (and is NOWHERE near as technologically inept as most think) and you can get a 1-bedroom place in Wheeling for $300 pretty easily.

      No, I do not work for any WV Agency and Yes, I know what Off-Topic means.

    52. Re: Not to troll, but.. by pjrc · · Score: 2
      I was wondering if any homophobic types would post an infamatory reply.

      So are you a giver or a taker? Speak up you homo!

      Awfully inquisitive about activities within the privacy of my own home, aren't you? Such rude and indignant questioning! Maybe it was meant as a (distastful) jest?

      It's pretty easy to see at our website that Robin and I live together, as Sean Adams (of the cool Slim Devices MP3 Player) pointed out. She's not a lesbian, and I'm not gay, and what we do in the privacy of our own home is, well, private. We're not actually married yet.

      I know some gay men, some lesbians, and some folks who are bi, and they're mostly pretty nice people. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay. I unfortunately have met a bunch of folks who are homophobes, and in every case they were assholes. I do think there's something fundamentally wrong about being so concerned about the consentual sexual activities of other people, conducted in the privacy of their own homes.

      How often do you ask people you believe to be straight about the intimate details of their sexual activity? And in such a rude and indignant manner?? Do you ask men questions like "did you bang your wife last night?" or women questions like "do you suck and swallow?"

      What's really interesting is the moderation totals, which probably aren't viewable for most people. Here's what it says right now:

      Moderation Totals: Offtopic=3, Interesting=4, Informative=2, Overrated=2, Total=11.

      Definately the most moderated comment I've ever posted... and honestly the only part I agree with is the -3 for Offtopic.

    53. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Tony-A · · Score: 2

      No. Natural selection only works on the level of individuals (actually genes). Whole groups are not selected for. It has been theorized that group selection is possible, but in practice it does not occur on this planet at least.
      The gene is in the individual who is in the group. If the group dies, the individual dies, and the gene dies. If an individual has better survival odds in a cohesive group than "every man for himself", then the evolutionary forces will tend to favor whatever increases the cohesiveness of the group.

    54. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Tony-A · · Score: 2

      A very old canard is that people only use about 10% of their brainpower.
      Probably more than a little truth to it, but I rather doubt the implied assumption that people would be better off using 100% of their brainpower.
      Speed reading. It's possible to dramatically up the rate and comprehension. At the expense of critical analysis and correlation with other things in our experience.
      You only use 10% of your automobile's horsepower traveling down the road. So? Seems like any conclusion anyone tried to draw would be rather faulty.
      Probably the best response is something like "Which 90% of your brain do you not need?"

    55. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Prune · · Score: 1

      >> The gene is in the individual who is in the group That's right. But not one gene, many genes are propagated by each individual. >> If an individual has better survival odds in a cohesive group...evolutionary forces will tend to favor whatever increases the cohesiveness of the group In social animals, selection deals with how the individual functions within the group, not whether the group is more fit than another group. The selection occurs on the level of genes, not groups. In fact, the individual often competes with member within his own group. For example see Pinker's discussion of the evolution of cheaters and cheater detection in his book "How the Mind Works." The focus on genes is further exemplified in that the individual is naturally most concerned in those that are kin to him, rather than those that are unrelated. This is simply because a relative has a certain chance to share such and such genes with the individual, and thus helping a relative can help propagate said genes.

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    56. Re:Not to troll, but.. by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      The group tends to be a collection of relatives, not of unrelated strangers.
      It does no good to be the best of a group that quickly becomes extinct. It does no good to become effectively extint within the group. You have a balancing act with various local optima where species will thrive. Difficult qualitatively. Extremely difficult quantitatively to measure which side slightly dominates the other.

  16. RIAA, MPAA, and BSA by smashr · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think we can safely file THAT particular statistic away with the MPAA's and RIAA's claim that piracy has cost billions and billions of dollars in lost revenue.

    Of course, I could see the BSA, RIAA, and MPAA getting together and claiming that the piracy of billions of dollars of software is the CAUSE of traffic doubling every 100 days!

    1. Re:RIAA, MPAA, and BSA by cibrPLUR · · Score: 1

      But, in the second case, would they be wrong?

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  17. The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    gave proof to the saying: There's no intelligent life out there......

  18. Imminent Death Of The Net Predicted!!(TM) by dacarr · · Score: 0

    You just knew somebody had to say it. =^_^=

    -Dennis

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  19. News Flash! by Toasty16 · · Score: 1

    Former AT&T employee blames Worldcom for causing network capacity to grow geometrically; Broadband users blame AT&T for causing it to shrink geometrically (see AT&T's failure to acquire @home, leaving millions without internet access for weeks).

  20. Growth follows the market by gentlewizard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem with this article, as well as the original Worldcom estimate, is that they assume linear growth. In reality, the demand for Internet bandwidth grows and shrinks with the economy in general. We're in a slump right now, so growth has slowed down. In the next boom, more people will want to download rich content such as video, which will in turn increase the demand for bandwidth.

    Like the stock market, the bandwidth market has its up times and its down times. When you invest in the stock market, you invest for the long-term trend which historically has been up. In the same way, the need for bandwidth will continue to grow over the long term as we continue to find new and cool things to do with it.

    1. Re:Growth follows the market by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 2

      > The problem with this article, as well as the original Worldcom estimate, is that they assume linear growth.

      Doubling every 100 days is NOT linear growth, it's exponential. Worldcom was most certainly NOT assuming the growth was linear.

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    2. Re:Growth follows the market by God!+Awful · · Score: 2


      The problem with this article, as well as the original Worldcom estimate, is that they assume linear growth. In reality, the demand for Internet bandwidth grows and shrinks with the economy in general.

      Excuse me? Doesn't the statement that Internet traffic doubles every hundred days presume exponential growth? Maybe you mean that their assumption was wrong because it assumed constant growth.

      -a

    3. Re:Growth follows the market by medcalf · · Score: 2

      He most likely meant to say that these estimates assumed that the rate of growth was linear, and possibly constant, rather than that the total bandwidth growth was linear.

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    4. Re:Growth follows the market by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Keep in mind that without irrational exuberance, there's no reason why we have to have booms and busts. If investors had never gone stupid, we might have never seen a dotcom bubble, just solid growth. Perhaps we'll learn from this mistake and we'll do it right once this whole thing levels out.

      Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but...

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    5. Re:Growth follows the market by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Ya know, you've got your first, your second, your third derivative and all that....

    6. Re:Growth follows the market by barneyfoo · · Score: 1

      In the next boom...Like the stock market, the bandwidth market has its up times and its down times

      Chances are there won't be another boom for another 20 years (my estimate for mean time between booms). So you're saying that the bandwidth growth is somehow inextricably tied to the economic growth. Zap. false.

      Bandwidth is more a feature of technological innovation than economic forces, although economic forces naturally affect buying decisions.

      It's internet-age thinking that makes people beleive that technology improvements MUST translate into stock market gains. After all, if I can compute twice as fast as I used to, my stock must be worth twice as much! Zap. Wrong. Boom -> Bust. Meanwhile technology keeps its pace.

    7. Re:Growth follows the market by gentlewizard · · Score: 2

      Right, of course. (Which is why I didn't major in math.)

      The INTENT of my statement holds, though. Assuming that every 100 days or so, bandwidth would double, without taking into account market conditions speeding up / slowing down that growth, is the part I was taking exception with.

    8. Re:Growth follows the market by Toy+G · · Score: 0

      In the long term, all of us will be dead. ( Lord Keynes)

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  21. maybe if your site didn't suck so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the member numbers would increase everyday......

    1. Re:maybe if your site didn't suck so bad by Uttles · · Score: 1

      gee, did you think of that all by yourself?

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    2. Re:maybe if your site didn't suck so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, your mom helped out a bit. It was hard to understand her, with my dick in her mouth and all that, but we managed. BTW, you mother told me to tell you to stop jerking off to anime so much, it is bad for your eyes.

    3. Re:maybe if your site didn't suck so bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The site could use more of an academic focus -- the news at the moment seems fairly weighted towards sports. I'm sure the frat boys would love that, but those of us who go to college for an education have other things on our minds.

    4. Re:maybe if your site didn't suck so bad by Uttles · · Score: 2

      Check the site again bud. If you notice, nearly half of the stories are not about sports. Given the massly disproportionate news coverage sports has over all other topics, I think we're doing a pretty good job, especially considering we haven't had many user submissions yet.

      The site is intended to be for all college topics, even frats, as much as I hate them. Sports will be prevalent, of course, and you can remove sports stories with a simple preferences change.

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    5. Re:maybe if your site didn't suck so bad by Onetime77 · · Score: 0

      what do you "personally" have against fraternities?

      from a computer geek, /. reader and fraternity alum

    6. Re:maybe if your site didn't suck so bad by Uttles · · Score: 1

      settle down, I have nothing against them, I was just responding to the questioner, who does apparently have something against frats.

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  22. Unbelievable by targo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find it really strange how otherwise serious and well-educated people very often go along with these "X doubles every Y days" stories. Everybody who is familiar with even basic math should know that this kind of growth can only last for for a very short time, otherwise we would all be impersonating Elvis by now.
    Now Worldcom probably tweaked the facts but if some people really believe in this kind of exponential growth then I hardly have any compassion for them, and blaming Worldcom or someone else for your own stupidity is just silly.

    1. Re:Unbelievable by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 2

      I agree. Who ever believed that processing power doubles every 6,480 days really needs to have their head examined. After all, there's NO WAY we could ever keep up with that kind of growth, it just isn't possible.
      </sarcasm>

    2. Re:Unbelievable by dacarr · · Score: 1

      Well, think of it. This is the kind of data propagated by the likes of M3: Marketing, Management, and Media. (no relation to 3M, makers of fine adhesives and...well, just about anything.) As true as Smallpond's comment on Moore's law was, it doesn't do so well when management and such starts talking about developing the internet at large. QED.

      To shout "Imminent death of the net predicted!" is perhaps a little off base, even if the joke is old enough to walk out of the fridge - but when it comes down to it, W'Com and the NY Times did make the bed. On the bright side, however, what they created now results in the technology being available when the requirements come in the future, however distant said future may be.

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    3. Re:Unbelievable by Dthoma · · Score: 1
      This really isn't very hard to work out. If the amount of Internet traffic doubles every 100 days, then we can work out that:

      traffic in x days = current traffic * 2^(x/100)

      It implies that every year Internet traffic increases by a factor of 2^(365/100), or ~12.6. This means that from the creation of the Internet, which was 32 years ago, Internet traffic has increased 12.6 times a year. This implies that by the year 2002, there would be 12.6^32 times more traffic, or approx. 10^35 times as much.

      Do you believe that there's ~ 16,200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times as much traffic on the Internet as in 1970?

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  23. Exponential grow rate by uxu.ch · · Score: 1

    I think, that internet traffic is still growing exponentially, maybe not doubling every 100 days, but if Moore's law would be applicable to the internet we have still a 100fold traffic in 10 years.

    Felix

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  24. It makes you wonder.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why we are all still paying so much for broadband style end user bandwidth......????

    With so much spare capacity available as of right now one would think that someone would realise the value of offering it cheaply to the masses.

    Why do I need a seperate box for cable tv and internet, why do I need a radio and a news paper?

    Why can't it all come through the one pipe in a chep and interactive form?

    1. Re:It makes you wonder.... by tiedyejeremy · · Score: 1

      what is chep?
      Acronym -> Definition
      -> Commonwealth Handling Equipment Pooling (CHEP Inc.)
      -> Computers in High Energy Physics (Conference)

      No, really - I do not want everything in one pipe. Then you end up like dallas, tx stuck with Belo Corp!

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    2. Re:It makes you wonder.... by CableModemSniper · · Score: 1

      Competition is good. If everything came down the same pipe from the same people they'd have a huge amount of control over what media you received. Also I'm sure the marketing people would go into paroxisyms just thinking about the ease of getting info on you if all conections to the outside world, short of actually going out into it were controlled by them. They could discover ebvery single one of your interests, who you called, what you watch what sites you visit, what news you pay attention to etc.

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  25. Exponential growth by delfstrom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function."
    -- Bartlett, as quoted in my 1st year physics textbook

    1. Re:Exponential growth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By 2010, we could expect more bits per second of internet traffic than there are atoms in the universe. Yes assuming theres an endless population of people. Which there isn't. So NO.

    2. Re:Exponential growth by fobbman · · Score: 2

      By 2010, we could expect more bits per second of internet traffic than there are atoms in the universe.

      Then what will be used to transmit that traffic?

    3. Re:Exponential growth by pete-classic · · Score: 2

      This is no problem.

      First, internet data is generally transfered in electrons or photons, which are (or at least can be) more numerous than atoms.

      Even if there weren't so many it still wouldn't be a problem since there is no rule saying an atom (or electron or photon) can only represet one bit per second.

      -Peter

    4. Re:Exponential growth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/one bit per second/one bit per infinitesimal period of time

    5. Re:Exponential growth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There's actually less than one terabit/sec of traffic."

      This seems a bit low number: 1 Tbps = 1000 Gbps will be produced typically by 50 Million DSL/cable users alone. I'm not sure, but I guess there are more DSL/cable user than that.

    6. Re:Exponential growth by Maniakes · · Score: 1

      1 Tbps = 1000 Gbps will be produced typically by 50 Million DSL/cable users alone.

      1 Terapit/sec of TRAFFIC, not bandwidth. Not everyone downloads their full quota of music, movies, and porn 24/7.

      BTW, Tbps can also stand for tablespoon, an English/Conventional unit of measure equal to about 16 mL.

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    7. Re:Exponential growth by Etcetera · · Score: 2


      BTW, Tbps can also stand for tablespoon, an English/Conventional unit of measure equal to about 16 mL

      Actually, I think you mean Tbsp =)

    8. Re:Exponential growth by Peyna · · Score: 1
      equal to about 16 mL

      Or about the size of a spoon you would use at your dinner table. =]

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    9. Re:Exponential growth by pete-classic · · Score: 2

      First, you forgot your trailing slash. I've been spending too much time with computers . . . I actually had trouble parsing your statement at the end!

      Beyond that, that simple replacement does not fix your logical problem. If you can xmit at a data rate of 1 gagillion bits/second, you only need 1 gagillionth of the "atoms" in the universe. While this is certainly a practial limitation it is not the physical limitation you make it out to be.

      -Peter

    10. Re:Exponential growth by bte · · Score: 1

      For a "real" article on Internet traffic, you may want to have a look at this one:
      abstract
      Full article (PDF).

      It basically says that the US Internet backbone traffic is doubling every year.

      taken from the article:
      ===============
      Table 1.3. Traffic on Internet backbones in U.S.. For each year, shows estimated traffic in terabytes during December of that year.

      year TB/month
      1990 1.0
      1991 2.0
      1992 4.4
      1993 8.3
      1994 16.3
      1995 ?
      1996 1,500
      1997 2,500 - 4,000
      1998 5,000 - 8,000
      1999 10,000 - 16,000
      2000 20,000 - 35,000
      ===============

      but in the end, you'll believe what you want to believe anyway...

    11. Re:Exponential growth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 terrabit of internet traffic but arpanet is still humping ass.

    12. Re:Exponential growth by Huld · · Score: 1

      > By 2010, we could expect more bits per second of internet traffic than there are atoms in the universe.

      This statement is so wonderfully wrong (off by some 55 orders of magnitude) that I wonder if you were actually trying to demonstrate the effect of people swallowing any outrageous claim. In fact, around 10 people posted comments without challenging you.

      You can see it even without a calculator: if you double every 100 days you will get a little more than a factor of 10 in a year. From 1995 until today you have 7 years in which you say that the internet traffic should have increased from 1x10^9 bps to 5x10^16 bits, an increase of 5x10^7. (You did that part right, BTW).

      From today until 2010 you will then increase by another app. 5x10^8 which will take you to about 2.5x10^25 bps. That's about the number of atoms in half a bottle of whisky. Of course, many people do regard that as their Universe.

      It would in fact take another 50 years (to about 2060) to get to 1x10^80 bps.

    13. Re:Exponential growth by Maniakes · · Score: 1

      I made two careless mistakes. First, I figured 32 more doublings would take Approx 8.7 years. I rounded this down to 8 instead of up to 9.

      My second mistake was not looking up the number of atoms in the universe. I vaugely remembered hearing that it was on the order of 2^64. Now that I think about this, I realize that that figure is far too low, given that 2^10 = approx 10^3, and there's 6.02x10^23 atoms in a gram of hydrogen.

      Thank you for checking my work.

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  26. This raises the other question . . . by Badgerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many other "marketing-oriented" "facts" are being touted today as justification for business, hiring, tactical, or hiring strategies? Or to be cruder, how many other business lies are out there mucking things up?

    There's a re-evaluation of business tactics and laws going on. Maybe its time to re-evaluate supposed technological "truths" as well.

    And maybe we techies can use this as yet another example of the hype over reality in technology, since WorldCom is in the use. Next time someone non-technical tosses out something obviously ridiculous, bring THIS up and ask them where they got their idea.

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    1. Re:This raises the other question . . . by RicochetRita · · Score: 2, Funny
      How many other "marketing-oriented" "facts" are being touted today as justification for business, hiring, tactical, or hiring strategies? Or to be cruder, how many other business lies are out there mucking things up?

      Just remember, 83.5% percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.

      ...or was that 53.8%? Hrmmn.

      -R

      --
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    2. Re:This raises the other question . . . by dattaway · · Score: 2

      When you get every college graduate looking for a job, each one is going to promise the interviewer that THEY will increase their profits 200% compared to the people they already employ. And so these young nubile collegues lower the bar with a few underhanded strategies until the whole deck of cards collapses.

    3. Re:This raises the other question . . . by pmz · · Score: 1

      Maybe its time to re-evaluate supposed technological "truths" as well.

      It is always time to re-evaluate the "truth". Since nearly the beginning of computing, for example, computer manufacturers routinely unrealistically tune their latest and greatest product for high benchmark scores. As we speak, IBM, Intel, and Sun are almost slandering eachother over Itanium-this, Power4-that, or UltraSPARC-whatnot. This is nothing new.

      Does the Compoobrand XYZ9000 get 1000gigaflips in the real world? Who cares, just look at these really big numbers and how much higher they are than the 238oozleflaps of the Unintellobrand PQR7500! But the Compoobrand's CPU cache is bigger than the gigaflip benchmark code; does that matter? No, not at all, Compoobrand is the best!

      The sad truth is that huge numbers of people still fall for this "marketing" (just look at newsgroup flamewars for some evidence).

    4. Re:This raises the other question . . . by bons · · Score: 5, Insightful
      You mean "facts" like:
      • "Open Source is more secure because everyone can look for security holes"? (Even if no one actually does, which is likely on some of these projects.)
      • P2P increases/decreases music sales (pick your favorite, they're both just guesses)
      • COBOL is dead
      We live in a world of blatent lies and guesses. What bothers me is that the article tries to pin the blame on the source of the "facts" instead of the horde of people who just accepted the "facts" as facts. Heck, Slashdot readers will rip into any moderator dumb enough to make THAT mistake. Why are we willing to accept such a low standard from anywhere else?

      It's depressing to watch a reporter claim someone else is being irresponsible for starting a bad rumor and forgive everyone else for their complete failure to verify the truth of what turned out to be an urban legend.

    5. Re:This raises the other question . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many other "marketing-oriented" "facts" are being touted today as justification for business, hiring, tactical, or hiring strategies?

      Five.

    6. Re:This raises the other question . . . by wrt2 · · Score: 1

      Young nubile collegues? Your department must be, um, interesting... While still young (although rapidly approaching middle age) in Real Life (tm), in computer years I'm no longer young. Whether or not I'm nubile is none of your business ;-) My recollection is that my eagerness to make money for my employers was swiftly exploited by the schemes of those who were older, and who had had a decade or two to make their strategies extra underhanded. The young and vicious only triumph over the old and vicious if the old get careless; otherwise, the young seek a mentor who will help them get old in exchange for taking out some of their mentor's old rivals. Course, if your mentor gets laid off, fired, or decides to resign to spend more time with the family, this can have a negative impact on your career track for becoming old and vicious.

      Worldcom -- Generation Delisted.

      --
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    7. Re:This raises the other question . . . by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2

      Don't forget "half the world has never made a phone call" (sometimes people say more than half). This was probably true when it was originally claimed in 1994, but is far from the truth now, since there has been massive growth in phone service in many countries. Wireless networks can be built quickly and comparatively cheaply.

  27. Another Company Taking Advantage of the Hype! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    posted by apple lied yesterday:

    Q: Will the new for-pay .Mac service be more reliable?
    A: No.
    Q: Will there be a phone number to call for technical support?
    A: No.
    Q: Will there be an e-mail address to report outages?
    A: No.
    Q: Will there, in fact, be any support at all?
    A: No.
    Q: Will the 100MB of storage come with an increased bandwidth limit for web sites?
    A: No.
    Q: Will you be telling us what the bandwidth limits are?
    A: No.
    Q: Will you support CGI, PHP, SSI, SQL, servlets, JSP, WebObjects applications, or anything else beyond regular static HTML files?
    A: No.
    Q: Will I be able to get access to my web logs? Or any other realtime webspace access statistics?
    A: No.
    Q: What about backup--our files are safe if we back them up to iDisk, right?
    A: No. Apple does not guarantee the integrity of any files on iDisk, even if placed there by the Apple Backup software.
    Q: Well, we can at least use the Backup software to back up our computers to CD-R, right?
    A: No, not if you have any files bigger than 650MB.
    Q: What about using my external tape drive, DVD drive or Firewire hard drive?
    A: No, Backup only works with Apple-supplied internal drives. And only if you're a .mac member.
    Q: So the backup software doesn't back up from my local hard disk to my local CD burner, unless I have a .Mac membership and an active net connection?
    A: Correct.
    Q: OK. The service also includes anti-virus software. Are there any Mac OS X viruses at all?
    A: No.
    Q: If I don't use Microsoft Office, do I need to worry about macro viruses?
    A: No.
    Q: Umm... OK. So how much for this invaluable service?
    A: $99 for one year. Plus tax. In advance.
    Q: Can I get two accounts, for me and my wife?
    A: Sure, that'll be $198 plus tax. In advance.
    Q: No, I mean can I get a second account at a discount because I've already bought one?
    A: Oh, alright then, quit whining. You can get a second account for $10 a year if you buy one full account.
    Q: And it'll have the backup, anti-virus, and web functionality?
    A: No, only an e-mail address.
    Q: Ah... but at least it'll be a full e-mail account, right?
    A: No, you'll only get 5MB of space. But that's nearly enough to hold five days' spam.
    Q: Can't my two accounts just share the same space for a nominal extra fee?
    A: No.
    Q: Is there a satisfaction guarantee?
    A: Yes. Apple reserves the right to terminate your access to the online services and the software, without cause, without notice and without refunding your money, if it's not satisfied with your behavior.
    Q: What kinds of things am I not allowed to post on my web site?
    A: Anything "lewd" or "vulgar", anything "embarrassing" to anyone, or anything that counts as advertising for any product or service.
    Q: So you want $99 a year for an e-mail address, useless backup software, anti-virus software I could buy for $50, and web space limited to inoffensive pictures of fluffy kittens? $99 even if I only want to keep the "lifetime e-mail address" that you previously said was free just for buying a Mac?
    A: Yes. Pay up now, in three weeks we'll delete your files and bounce your mail.
    Q: I have one more question... What exactly are you smoking out there in Cupertino?
    A: We think it's crack. Think different.

    1. Re:Another Company Taking Advantage of the Hype! by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      As much as I vohmently hate the phrase "Caveat Emptor", when it comes to "So and so for life" offers, its just common sense to understand that absolutely nobody on this planet can garauntee anything service for life.

      So move on .. crap, didn't anybody learn anything from e-World (Apple, included?)

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
  28. wrong figures by r00tarded · · Score: 2, Funny

    internet pr0n/mp3 xfers double every 100 days, not traffic in general.

    1. Re:wrong figures by hacksoncode · · Score: 1

      Seeing as how these 2 components *are* all the net traffic, I don't see how the statement is an error. :-).

  29. My own rock-solid calculations. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the sake of argument I'll say that there were 1,000 people on the internet in 1995.

    It's been 100 days since then 25 times over.

    So now there are now exactly 33,554,432,000 people online and we all speak english.

  30. Exponential growth by Maniakes · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this, there was about 1 gbps of internet traffic in 1995.

    If this doubled every 100 days, there would be 50,000 terabits per second of internet traffic today. There's actually less than one terabit/sec of traffic.

    By 2010, we could expect more bits per second of internet traffic than there are atoms in the universe.

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  31. Capacity doubled - usage didn't by hughk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Nobody would put down a single fibre. It is too expensive to physically lay it. You lay two (or more) fibres instead but leave them unused (dark fibre). However, repeaters are there it is just they aren't attached wither end. Theoretically all you need is to connect a switch and you have your extra capacity.

    This should have meant high bandwidth and low prices, but as suppliers like Worldcom had to borrow heavily for their infrastructure costs, they were stuck with high prices. Something similar happened with Deutsche Telekom in Germany. They built a fibre network through the former DDR but borrowed heavily to finance it. The things is that nobody was going to pay for that capacity at a premium price. Telekom didn't mess around with their predictions in the way that Worldcom did, but they also came unstuck.

    The problem comes down to the revenue models and the telecom analysts in the banks. If I have a bank of 64K connections and I upgrade them to 1024K, I can't simply charge 16 times the price. A few customers can afford this (think banks), but many others can not.

    Capacity including dark fibre definitely was doubling every 100 days but usage wasn't and certainly not revenue.

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    1. Re:Capacity doubled - usage didn't by (H)olyGeekboy · · Score: 1

      A few customers can afford this (think banks), but many others can not.

      I don't know what you're talking about. I work in infrastructure for a large international bank, and I can tell you that our many hundreds of branches are all still on secured 56 kilobit frame relay circuits, with the exception of DSL "pilot" branches that were installed a few years ago in Qwest's footprint.

      Several reasons for this.

      1) Vendor management - To get to every branch across our footprint would mean DOZENS of broadband providers... to pay bills to, to get support from, to coordinate with, etc.

      2) Equipment costs - Even if we bit the bullet and bought instead of leased, we'd likely need to upgrade the equipment in the not-so-distant future anyways. The frame relays run on the same old equipment, with cheap replacements readily available. (Cheap is relative.)

      3) Security - It's a bank stupid, so we can't take a risk at some local telco/ISP being hax0red and us having our data streams compromised. The frame relays are proven secure.

      You'll notice that I did not mention bandwidth cost. We've been told that to upgrade our frame relays, currently about $500-$1000 per branch, per month, to 128 megabit frame relay will cost tens of millions of dollars a year. Frac-T1s to each location would only have an increase of 7 million a year, which is swallowable by a corporation of our size, given the benefits over 56k.

      So now we are trying to deal with issues 1 through 3 to deploy frac T1s... over the next... 5 years?

      But the bandwidth costs are the least of our worries.

    2. Re:Capacity doubled - usage didn't by hughk · · Score: 2
      Sorry, I didn't mean retail banking. As you say that continues to be quite slow, but investment banking eats throughput alive (mind you the revenue cost of your fibre lines is probably then tiny compared to that of your investment in Worldcom going bottom up).

      For many other users having T1+ bandwidths is expensive and requires a lot of justification. I know this from when I worked in industry and we had arguments about the need for better performance for shipping CAD drawings around (we had installations scattered across a city, rather than a single campus).

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    3. Re:Capacity doubled - usage didn't by jafac · · Score: 2

      . . .so basically, they were counting on increasing supply, and hoping that that didn't do anything to demand.

      DUH.

      Sounds like Opec in the 70's - who thought they could get away with cutting supply - but in response, demand dropped with the higher prices.

      I love it when reality smacks these idiots with a clue-by-four.

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  32. Moore's Law by Soporific · · Score: 1

    I would believe Moore's law could apply to doubling of internet usage, but that is every 18 months or so. They seem to state that it's growing exponentially by doubling every 100 days. Wouldn't every ten months be something like 10 to the power of 2 in traffic?

    ~S

    1. Re:Moore's Law by Soporific · · Score: 1

      Errm, flawed figuring. Every 3 years not 10 months. ~S

  33. Things which double every 100 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bill Gate's nett worth
    Microsoft's profits
    Windows bugs
    IIS security holes
    The number of digits in the latest I.E. version number
    The megabytage of Windows Media Player
    The number of countries George Bush wants to bomb
    The length of Richard Stallman's beard
    The number of trolls on Slashdot

    1. Re:Things which double every 100 days by Vengie · · Score: 1

      The number of idiots in DC Screaming about DRM. The number of idiots that RIAA is paying to screw P2P networks. The denominator in the fraction that represents the number of well-informed and highly talented computer-literate folk who think either of the first two categories aren't total idiots.

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    2. Re:Things which double every 100 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you forgot to add the number of spam messages received to your list

    3. Re:Things which double every 100 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The number of trolls on Slashdot
      No, that doubles every 100 hours.
  34. how about shrinkage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    LNUX shares hovering currently at 0.61 per share.

    How much longer?

    1. Re:how about shrinkage by Stock+Quote+Troll · · Score: -1

      At the current price being so low below $1, I can foresee LNUX being de-listed sooner than anyone else expects. It's going to be hard to bring the price back up in the current market conditions.

      You heard it here first! LNUX will be de-listed August 17th! Screw having parties for the release of Mozilla/other open sores projects - we can have a party for the de-listing of LNUX!

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  35. This cafe is closed by buzzdecafe · · Score: 1

    WorldCom lying? I am shocked! Shocked!

  36. Moral: The media are stupid and lazy by guacamolefoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This issue (a dubious statistic repeated infinitely in press) results from the fact that facts are not checked thoroughly before publication. This sort of stuff happened with the stats the women's movement used, environmentalists, conservative groups, etc. The number of women dying from eating disorders was a classic error that was endlessly cycled and never questioned until the misconception was permanently rooted in the public consciousness.

    Every interest group pushing an agenda (yes, even profit-seeking corporations seeking to sell more bandwith) seems to come up with some dubious statistic like this. The media gobble up press releases, disguised oftentimes as "studies" which are bought and paid for by the interest group, and they spit them out on in the newspapers and other media outlets, sometimes virtually unchanged.

    I am not surprised by the Economist's story -- I am surprised that it took so long for it to make it into print. I wonder how many times the Economist itself published that same "fact" before discovering that the emporer had no clothes.

    1. Re:Moral: The media are stupid and lazy by HiThere · · Score: 2

      In the early 1950's (1952?) Isaac Asimov wrote an article called "The sound of panting". It traced the origin and persistence of errors in biology textbooks.

      This might be worth reading before one gets too worked up about news stories propagating errors. It seems to be a problem that can't be avoided, even with reasonable care. (And, as his examples prooved, sufficient care could usually avoid the problem.)

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    2. Re:Moral: The media are stupid and lazy by pmz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Moral: The media are stupid and lazy

      I wholeheartedly agree--up to a point. There are a small number of top-notch journalists, who really do objective well-rounded reporting. Unfortunately, it really is a small number of journalists. Also, unfortunately, they tend to report on lesser-viewed channels, such as some radio, public TV, and some magazines.

      The rest of the journalism industry is an overpopulated mass of careless wannabees who jump on anything even remotely reportable. Just look at local TV news, local newspapers, most of the national TV networks, most national newspapers, and, recently, most Internet news sites. All they do is propogate rumors, who-cares stories about kidnapped rich kids, slanderous stories about accused criminals, and tonight's prime-time lineup. Truly pathetic, given that they are the most watched and have the greatest influence on public opinion.

    3. Re:Moral: The media are stupid and lazy by guttentag · · Score: 2
      Are other companies that claim to track Internet usage next?

      Look at Alexa, for example. It claims to know where people surf, but it's information is biased toward people who use Alexa. Yes, I realize it's built into Mozilla, but most people don't use Mozilla and aren't going to download Alexa. It's interesting to note that Alexa claims to be the 10th-most-visited site on the Web, but if a user has to talk to alexa.com each time it makes a report, shouldn't alexa be number one on their list? It's not because that would cause people to suspect that their rankings were false. Still, they report that Alexa.com and go.com (which officially died over a year ago) beat out AOL, MSNBC, Amazon, Lycos, CNN, etc.

      I've always wondered about Media Metrix. Every news organizations seems to quote their "reports," as authoritative fact, but no one (including MM) has any way of verifying the information about where traffic goes on the Web.

      Last I checked, MM functioned by paying a chosen cross-section of the population to allow their surfing to be monitored. Based on their viewing habits, MM believes claims it can tellBut the Web is not like broadcast TV where you have less than a dozen options to choose from, or cable with a few hundred at most. The Web is more fragmented than any other medium. It's so easy to publish and exchange information that one can find one or more sites tailored to just about any interest imaginable. You can't just guess where everyone goes based on a miniscule percentage of the population (watch, a MM troll will "refute" this in a moment by claiming I don't understand statistics).

      It's interesting to note that each of these news organizations that quotes media metrix pays MM a hefty sum for this reports on a regular basis. Nearly all the companies that MM claims are among the most-popular do this because they want to be able to show their bosses and shareholders how well they're doing on the Web -- this includes the news organizations. So we have a never-ending circle in which companies pay MM to tell them what they want to hear. I believe that if you have a business proposition to sell that involves the Web, MM has a "report" to back you up -- for a price.

      Is it only a matter of time before we discover that MM's reports are based on the same self-interested lies as WorldCom's claims about Internet traffic? Or will the marketing industry succeed in fiercely defending its irrefutable source?

    4. Re:Moral: The media are stupid and lazy by Zordak · · Score: 2

      The true fallacy is not necessarily that statistics are made up or are wrong. The problem is that statistics themselves are just numbers that do not tell a complete story. The compelling question in any of these interests is not necessarily "how many" but "why are there that many?" For example, some hispanic interest group recently named St. Mary's University Law School in San Antonio as one of the "Top 5 Law Schools for Hispanics." I remember being shocked, because I'm from the area and I know that St. Mary's basically sucks. I went on to read the article and found that the ranking was basically based on the ratio of hispanic students to white students in the schools studied and nothing else. Specifically excluded from the ranking was the percentage of students that actually pass the State Bar Exam (St. Mary's is one of the lowest in the nation on this statistic right now). The interest group had an axe to grind: higher admission rates for hispanic students. It doesn't matter if they are getting a quality education, it just matters that by claiming higher admission rates, they can claim a victory for their specific agenda. The reason St. Mary's has a high percentage of hispanic students is that San Antonio has a high percentage of hispanics (pretty close to 50%). It had nothing to do with St. Mary's being more "enlightened" or "tolerant" of racial diversity. The statistic simply told that St. Mary's was located in a predominantly hispanic area. What was interesting was that on the same list, an Ivy League school (I forget which) located much farther north and east (i.e. further away from Mexico), which had a lower overall hispanic population, also ranked very high on the list. In that case, the statistic really did represent something about the school other than its location, but again, the statistic by itself did not reveal what that something was. Only an in-depth analysis of the school, its culture, admission procedures and criteria and academic environment could have given a hint of what that something was. There we have two schools examined in the same study, gaining somewhat similar scores on the applied scale, and the statistics tell two completely different stories. Reducing people, institutions and other complex phenomena to simple data points is good only for those who then take the statistics and manipulate them to tell the story they want told.

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    5. Re:Moral: The media are stupid and lazy by loosenut · · Score: 1

      This issue (a dubious statistic repeated infinitely in press) results from the fact that facts are not checked thoroughly before publication.

      Oh, is that a fact?

    6. Re:Moral: The media are stupid and lazy by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 2

      In Britain, the Audit Bureau of Circulations (ABC) audits circulation figures for newspapers and magazines, which the publications normally publish near the index along with the ABC logo. I'm not sure what their methodology is, but they seem to be trusted. Anyway, they now have an "electronic" division which attempts to do something similar for web sites. They do this by running some Perl scripts over the web logs. I don't know what the auditing step is in that...

  37. 75% of coke drinkers prefer taste of PEPSI! Fact! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    75% of coke drinkers prefer taste of PEPSI! Its a Fact!

    Theis test has been performed on live tv (hbo), in documentaries, books (several), reports, public events, etc.

    The numbers always add up..

    75% of coke drinkers prefer taste of PEPSI!

    I have a theory... a large percentage of stupid people with no real preference, or abilities, merely claim to like coke even though they would prefer pepsi if the names were hidden.

    But pepsi is superior... it is highly filterred corn syrup (not cloudy like cheap coke) and you can read a newspaper through a full pepsi bottle.

    Pepsi also costs more to make... it has more sugar.

    pepsi wins taste tests because of itdiotic morons like the above "Anonymous Coward"

  38. At the University where I work... by RumGunner · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Usage tends to grow by leaps and bounds every time someone comes up with a new file sharing protocol.

    Maybe that statement was from the good ol' days of Napster.

  39. Next thing you know... by Goat+In+The+Shell · · Score: 1

    ...they'll be telling us that these claims about penis growth that I keep getting in my mailbox are all a myth too...

  40. Come on. Lets place blame, where blame is due. by EvlOvrLrd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This perversion of Moore's Law was a fault (in part by the telecom industry for believing the hype that the rest of the money grubbing industries where touting. Movies over the Net. Everyone telecommuting. Attend college classes from home. More retail content than you can choke on. Plus a bevy of other "wouldn't it be cool" party line hype that drove the bubble. Me? I blame it on the GUI and Mouse. If it wasn't for those things, the Net would still be a usefull place (tool, etc).

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  41. Price of Bandwidth by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We've all heard talk of over-built data networks and "dark fiber". What interests me is how this apparent over-capacity does not seem to match up the price of bandwidth and the apparent bandwidth management of consumer-level heavy users.

    Is there a mismatch? Do we actually have a demand that's being held in check by an inappropriate pricing schedule (perhapse even businesses with a lack of vision)? Or does potential capacity fail to overcome the cost of "lighting up" and maintaining these over-built networks?

    1. Re:Price of Bandwidth by TheSync · · Score: 2

      What interests me is how this apparent over-capacity does not seem to match up the price of bandwidth and the apparent bandwidth management of consumer-level heavy users.

      Bandwidth is getting cheaper - when you purchase by the 10's of Mbps. I've seen $100/Mbps and below in quantity.

      But on a per customer basis, the costs of billing/help desk/etc. for users of under 10 Mbps may actually be more than the bandwidth cost.

      And for home users, you have that nasty last mile owned by a local government granted entrenched monopoly, the costs of running new lines, or questionable wireless technologies.

      That said, I see plenty of $600/month T1's around (including local loop).

    2. Re:Price of Bandwidth by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      The data networks are significantly overbuilt, in places, I would guess that there are some fibers that will never be lit, and some city pairs that will not lay additional fiber in this century. However, there are many places without enough. The pricing schedule is fairly consistant with pricing of user services. Remember that 5-10 years ago, no one made much money offering all you can eat dial up services at $20 because bandwidth (there were other costs as well, but they should be pretty similiar today) was expensive. Now you get connections that are hundreds of times faster than a dial up, for about twice the price. T1 and faster connections have fallen in price very significantly over the past two years. However, the price of T1 and other real connections remains much more than you pay both for the bandwidth and for each GB downloaded, because the ISP sells each MB of connection several times expecting users to do more bursting connections, with a few sustained downloads. An example is the local business ISP, they sell about 4 times as much bandwidth as they have, while their upstream connections are burstable, they haven't had to use the bursts, becuase most users don't saturate their connection 24/7.

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    3. Re:Price of Bandwidth by dubiousmike · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ok - something that occured to me a few days ago...

      Once the infrastructure (or is it extrastructure? but I digress) for bandwidth is there, isn't bandwidth actually free? I mean, I know that there are costs involved with running the network, upkeep of epuiptment, salaries to pay, ect...

      But is there really a difference in the cost of providing bandwidth (other than hardware, which is still a fixed cost) if I want a low end ISDN line or an OC3 pipe? I would liken it to cable TV. Somehow I manage to now get digital cable with a few hundred more channels than its anolog predecessor for the same price. The cable company didn't really have to do all that much other than give me a new cable box (which I rent from them).

      My phone line has been there for years. Other than a $50 line cleaning kit, what is really the increase in cost for me to get DSL? Other than equiptment that the telco buys to provide DSL. If they buy it to provide access to one user, what is the increase in cost when you add another 300 users? I understand that hubs and routers have physical limitations, but it just seems that we are getting porked.

      I might back up the above by comparing it to wireless (cell) phones vs traditional land lines. Don't the cell division make hand over fist compared to the land line division? I mean, they put up a tower that can service thousands of people. No cables (from telco to your phone) and thus significantly less service persons and cost per customer. It makes me wonder if my inflated cost for use of a cell phone (in my opinion) is there to offset the money-sucking land line division... Shouldn't cell phone service be only a small % of the (my) cost of wire-based telephone service in my house?

      Hopefully, some of you might be able to give me some insight on the actual difference in costs of providing limited bandwidth vs high capacity bandwidth.

      Seems like a giant scam to me.

      Of course, I certainly don't want to go back to dial-up. But I would think that the industry's standardization of the costs for these services (at least smacks of some sort of collusion) has set them unreasonably high and thus out of the price range of many consumers.

      PC manufacturers have met the need for low cost computing, but what about bandwidth providers who are still giving us the slowest element of our computing architecture.

    4. Re:Price of Bandwidth by AltaMannen · · Score: 1

      What confuses me is if the support/helpdesk is actually the major portion of the bandwidth cost for consumers (I have at&t cable) why do people advocate metered bandwidth and not metered support?

      If people had to pay (very little) extra to find the solution to a wall->computer connection problem but no extra to report an interruption of serivce they would have a great incentive to find the solution themselves (my bet is on 99% of all support calls are in the documentation or FAQ of the service) AND the costs could (assuming the support costs are really as high as some suspect) be back at a reasonable rate.

      at&t cable modem support is really bad by the way, service outages are rarely listed on the web page titled "service outages" and the least correction of details requires a 10 day wait for effect. So I'd just like to not pay for support if I am not using it.

    5. Re:Price of Bandwidth by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 4, Insightful
      We've all heard talk of over-built data networks and "dark fiber". What interests me is how this apparent over-capacity does not seem to match up the price of bandwidth and the apparent bandwidth management of consumer-level heavy users.

      I think what happened a few years ago was that the price was pushed below the sustainable level by VCs indirectly financing your bandwidth. For a couple of years I had a deal that actually cost me nothing whatsoever for my internet connection; actually it saved me 10% of my telephone line rental as well.

      What's happened now is the VCs have gone away and the price has bounced back to where it really should have been in the first place and the companies supplying bandwidth are turning a profit again. For companies profit is like breathing- you can hold your breath for only so long and then you die; the companies are breathing again; but looks like some held their breath for too long.

      However the cost per bit is going down all the time, and we should gradually see the price that we pay come down with it. (Should being the key part of that sentence ;-)

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    6. Re:Price of Bandwidth by tdogboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      A big part of the confusion that comes from these kinds of statistics is failure to understand the problem well. There are many parts to the equation of Internet growth and these statistics are a gross oversimplification to anyone who's in the telecom industry.

      A simple example is the difference between access networks and core networks. Access networks are those such as phone lines or DSL to the home. Core networks are those such as UUNET. Companies buy big pipes from those guys. Both types of networks need to be in place and operating before Internet access will grow. If one slows down, the other slows down because they are positively correlated (I hope that's the right term).

      So, you've got the access networks (ISPs and RBOCs for example) preaching their growth numbers and core networks (UUNET, Global Crossing and AT&T for example) preaching their numbers and no one looks at the big picture.

      Taking this example to the Internet boom, where we are today is that core networks are way overbuilt and access networks suck eggs. The ISPs just don't have the subscriber base to support them buying more bandwidth from the core network providers.

      (Keep in mind, this is on the service provider side of the equation. There is a whole other side that's the enterprise side of the equation, where big companies buy bandwidth from access and/or core network providers to connect their people together. It's a big part of the market and is almost the only thing keeping these network providers afloat these days until the service provider market returns.)

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    7. Re:Price of Bandwidth by jratcliffe · · Score: 5, Informative

      But is there really a difference in the cost of providing bandwidth (other than hardware, which is still a fixed cost) if I want a low end ISDN line or an OC3 pipe? I would liken it to cable TV. Somehow I manage to now get digital cable with a few hundred more channels than its anolog predecessor for the same price. The cable company didn't really have to do all that much other than give me a new cable box (which I rent from them).

      Sadly, not true. First, there are big differences in the cost of the customer prem equipment between different networking technologies. You can buy a cable modem for $80 or less in bulk - a SONET box capable of supporting an OC-3 link will cost you ~$15,000. That being said, if you want internet access, your local access provider (be it the phone, cable, or whatever company) is going to have to purchase a connection to the backbone, and that costs money too (figure $40k for a 155Mbps link). Secondly, on the cable front, going from a few analog to a lot of digital channels required billions of dollars in capital expenditures for the cable companies. First of all, they had to upgrade all the amplifiers and passive components in their networks, and introduce a lot of new elements, since the higher frequencies used for digital channels attenuate over shorter distances, and hence need to be re-amplified more often. In many cases, they had to replace the actual physical cable as well.

      My phone line has been there for years. Other than a $50 line cleaning kit, what is really the increase in cost for me to get DSL? Other than equiptment that the telco buys to provide DSL. If they buy it to provide access to one user, what is the increase in cost when you add another 300 users? I understand that hubs and routers have physical limitations, but it just seems that we are getting porked.

      The equipment on the other end of your DSL connection (called a DSL Access Multiplexer, or DSLAM), doesn't come cheap, and the unit's cost scales pretty close to 1:1 with the number of ports it has - net/net, the cost does rise with the number of customers. Beyond that, the telephone companies had to make some pretty significant adjustments in their network architectures (pushing fiber down the network, for example), to make DSL available on a widespread basis.

      I might back up the above by comparing it to wireless (cell) phones vs traditional land lines. Don't the cell division make hand over fist compared to the land line division? I mean, they put up a tower that can service thousands of people. No cables (from telco to your phone) and thus significantly less service persons and cost per customer. It makes me wonder if my inflated cost for use of a cell phone (in my opinion) is there to offset the money-sucking land line division... Shouldn't cell phone service be only a small % of the (my) cost of wire-based telephone service in my house?

      Actually, the cellular service providers are LOSING money hand over fist. First off, building those towers isn't cheap, esp. when you consider the legal aspects of getting access to the sites, permitting, etc. Second, they have to buy landline connections from the towers to their networks, and that is usually slow and expensive. Third, there's a limited number of users you can support from a given tower - spectrum isn't endless. This doesn't even begin to consider the costs of obtaining the spectrum itself - look at the billions of $ that the European wireless carriers paid for 3G licenses there. That being said, it's certainly cheaper, if no network exists, to serve an area with cellular than build a physical phone network. A lot of phone companies in the developing world are doing just that (Telmex in rural Mexico, for example). The real costs of cellular, on an operating basis, are operating - marketing, customer service, etc. The industry still has really severe bad debt problems, and customer churn is high, so getting and keeping customers sucks up a huge amount of the revenue pie.

      Overall, are we getting hosed? Basically, no, I don't think so.

    8. Re:Price of Bandwidth by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

      Once the infrastructure (or is it extrastructure? but I digress) for bandwidth is there, isn't bandwidth actually free? I mean, I know that there are costs involved with running the network, upkeep of epuiptment, salaries to pay, ect.

      No, it's not free. Because it isn't PAID for yet.

      If they'd charged everybody an instalation fee that covered their costs to install the entire infrastructure, THEN it would be very cheap - maintainence, repair, helpdesk, billing department, etc. But would you want to pay, say, ten grand to get a phone hooked up? I don't think so.

      So instead they borrow the ten grand per customer (or whatever) to build the network, and pay it off with interest over the next thirty years from the money they charge the customers. Your instalation fee pays maybe part of the installer's visit and the equipment he installs (if they don't wave that in a promotion to get more people hooked up.)

      That's why it's such a disaster when they plan for customers who don't show up. They still have to pay off the loans, but they don't have a gang of people like you paying bills for your "almost free" bandwidth.

      A price war (where there's competition) doesn't really solve the problem, because if they lower prices enough to attract people, they cut what you're paying so much that, even if they get EVERYBODY hooked up they won't collect enough to pay off the loan.

      And that means that if people don't sign up and pay reasonable bills the providers will go bankrupt. If that happens the bond holders get paid pennies on the dollar, while the successors inherit or buy the installed equipment for pennies on the dollar. THEN the pices come down - possibly getting close to the maintainence cost plus a price-signal fee. But don't expect investors to pay for any new equipment when that new suburb goes up, or to string wires anywhere that doesn't already have them. Bandwidth fees become a way of rationing the installed base, like a natural resource limited commodity, rather than actually paying for the construction of the net.

      Same thing happened with cable TV. Most cable systems went bankrupt, sometimes several times, before they actually became profitable (if they ever did). The original investors mostly lost their money while the systems ended up in the hands of the media conglomerates.

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    9. Re:Price of Bandwidth by symbolic · · Score: 2


      I'm not so sure it will go down - I think instead, the conglomerates that control the pipes (say Qwest, for example), won't lower the price, but instead, include other services as part of a package deal. I guess the effect is a lower cost per service-unit, but if all you're really interested in is the bandwidth, there's no real benefit.

    10. Re:Price of Bandwidth by efficacymanUM · · Score: 1

      Some companies charge what it costs. Check out coget at wwww.cogentco.com. 1000 dollars for 100mps of bandwidth is probably pretty close to as cheap as bandwidth gets. However you can only get it in major metropolitan areas. I think the root of the problem is somewhat like the farmer's dilemma, where if there is more produced, then the overall price of the commodity goes down. But if bandwidth is scarce, then it is possible to charge much more for yours. Just think if all the dark fibre was activated, and everyone could get their service for a mere 10 bucks for 1mps and just pay for whatever they need. Granted it would be a nicer world but i doubt it would be sustainable for isps to stay in buisiness, mostly due to support costs and overhead.

    11. Re:Price of Bandwidth by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Good info on the DSL. But, the question then beckons, how much does the incremental bandwidth itself cost? Specifically, if the telco has 10,000 DSL customers using an average of 10% of their maximum throughput, how much more does it cost them if customers average 50% utilization?

      It would seem more efficient to use commodity equipment like 10-T ethernet wiring and hubs on a local scale (one or two city blocks) and a fairly de-centralized network topology, rather than the heavily centralized CO system.

      Also, I am curious what percentage of the cost of providing service is in the metering?

    12. Re:Price of Bandwidth by theMightyE · · Score: 1
      We've all heard talk of over-built data networks and "dark fiber". What interests me is how this apparent over-capacity does not seem to match up the price of bandwidth and the apparent bandwidth management of consumer-level heavy users.

      You have to be careful when you try to compare 'dark fiber' to data-carrying capacity that you can use right at this minute. When the boom was on and people were laying tons of fiber, some accountant somewhere noticed that while the fiber itself was pretty cheap it cost a lot of money to dig a ditch to lay it in. Therefore, companies decided that as long as they were digging the ditch they may as well lay a couple of hundred fibers into it, but only hook transmitters and regenerators (the little lasers that send the 1's and 0's down the fiber) to as many lines as they needed at the time. The logic was that when the internet doubled in size (in 100 days, right?) you could just add the transmitters at the ends of the extra fiber lines as needed.

      The problem of course was that the internet wasn't doubling every 100 days, so there was a lot of excess fiber that never had transmitting lasers hooked up (hence the term 'dark'). This excess capacity is still available, however right now companies are hurting so bad for cash that they aren't able to afford too many transmitter or regenerator lasers so the excess capacity is getting used slowly. Basically, when you want to increase bandwidth on one of these lines today you have to pay for the transmitter/reciever/regenerator equipment up front, and this keeps the cost of bandwidth up.

    13. Re:Price of Bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hummmm ... econ_101 sez any *.inc RENTS their capitol from investors, and as you know the rent is due every 4-months no matter how much has already been paid.

    14. Re:Price of Bandwidth by tuxedo-steve · · Score: 1

      Do we actually have a demand that's being held in check by an inappropriate pricing schedule (perhapse even businesses with a lack of vision)?

      I don't know about anyone else, but as for myself, I'll use up every last byte of bandwidth I've got at my disposal. My bandwidth is currently capped at x: give me 2x bandwidth, and I'll use 2x.

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    15. Re:Price of Bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cost of running a network is not so much the laying of cable and lighting the dark fibre. This is the fixed cost. There is variable operational cost of creating monitoring and maintaing a service at certain guaranteed service level. It is these operational costs that havent been brought down yet. Hence the price is higher for want of systems to minimise operational costs of provisioning and maintaining services on the network.

      Though these costs typically are not directly proportional to b/w but in a convolute way they are. For instance people with higher bandwidth may be using the b/w for more services requiring more provisioning to be done. So the pricing may not be strictly proportional to b/w but in some kind of steps it may be.

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    16. Re:Price of Bandwidth by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2
      However the cost per bit is going down all the time, and we should gradually see the price that we pay come down with it.

      Let me use an analogy of comparision for you here.

      Take theatres, for instance. They pay most of their ticket-based income to the production studio, so they have to make all their money on popcorn, candy, etc. Now, a small bag of popcorn costs (say) 4$, and a small 16 oz. soda 2.50$, while the 6 oz. bag of candy is 2$. Does it truely cost the theatre that much money to break even? How about turning a profit?

      Popcorn seed costs approximately 15$ for a 50 pound of seed which will supply a busy theatre with over a week's worth of popcorn; meanwhile they're charging 5.50 for a large bag of popcorn that costs less than a quarter to manufacture. Combine with that the fact that their employees get paid as little as possible (due to the fact that they're in the 'entertainment' industry, no benefits whatsoever are necessary, not even overtime).

      Compare this to cable companies and other such groups of the same filth. These high prices exist because consumers WILL PAY IT ANYWAY!! People still go to the theatre and, on top of their 7.50$ ticket, they buy a large bucket or popcorn with extra lard sprinkles, and a I'm-a-fat-fuck sized drink for 9.50$. The popcorn bags are even specifically designed to influence people into buying the largest one available, because it's the 'most economical', even though the prices are exhorbinant. This translates well into the broadband/dialup situation. "Only three as much money for 10 times the bandwidth, sir?" Never mind that it doesn't cost the company as much as they claim it to (in the case of cable).

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    17. Re:Price of Bandwidth by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2
      "Only three as much money for 10 times the bandwidth, sir?" Never mind that it doesn't cost the company as much as they claim it to (in the case of cable).

      It does cost the company quite a bit. A raw feed of a megabit/s costs hundreds of dollars a month or so. Now, in theory that would mean that you'd have to pay that. In practice they assume a particular contention ratio (I get 50:1, commercial packages are more like 20:1), so I only cost them 1/50 of that hundreds of dollars a month, because 49 seconds out of every 50 my connection is idle on average. But it still goes into the tens of dollars range, and they may charge 50 dollars or something. This isn't a case where they make an order of magnitude profit- the profit margins are not that huge. Your analogy is way off.

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  42. Doesn't surprise me by EMDischarge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WorldCom isn't the first telecom to go bankrupt. This trend in this industry is just accelerating. Blame it on the classic business cycle: overbuilding, in this case excess capacity, traditionally overflowing inventories, usually are the downfall of boom times. This is especially true in the telecom industry. Sure, there's capacity, but instead of lowering prices to encourage consumption, the telecoms have to meet the bottom line. Unfortunately for some this is causing an industry shake-out.

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  43. Same Song, Second Verse by jwolgamott · · Score: 0
    Companies such as Global Crossing and Qwest soon resorted to "hollow swaps" and other dubious tricks to boost sales and traffic figures.
    This is the same scam the energy companies were pulling with the CA outages - faking demand across networks. I predict some major bankruptcies will follow in telcom and energy.
  44. good write-up over at LightReading by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 5, Informative
    LightReading had a very well-researched article about this earlier in the week. Here's a quote from the article, where a former employee explains the numbers:
    Here's how it worked, according to the former WorldCom employee: WorldCom would hook up new customers with connections capable of handling, say, up to 1.5 Mbit/s of data, knowing that for most of the time the lines would only carry a fraction of this amount. WorldCom would then use the 1.5 Mbit/s figures, not the actual traffic figures, when citing Internet traffic growth statistics.
    "There was massive connectivity growth, but UUNET's business wasn't growing as much, "says the former employee.
    UUNET was (still is?) a division of Worldcom.
    1. Re:good write-up over at LightReading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't introduce the /. masses to what was one of the better boards to discuss tech issues.

  45. Same reason... by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Same reason people believed eating carbohydrates would help them lose weight. They wanted to believe. They wanted to believe eating chocolate eclairs was good for them, and they wanted to believe that "nice man" wouldn't lie to them. And they wanted to believe the future was "so bright" they had "to wear shades." That's the one thing Clinton was able to impart to the country that Shrub doesn't seem to be able to. Optimism.

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  46. Re:Unbelievable (really?) by Smallpond · · Score: 3, Insightful



    Yeah. What was that Moore guy thinking in 1965
    when he forecasted chip density doubling every
    18 months. That obviously couldn't last more
    than a couple of years, could it?

    Some predictions seem to work better than others.

  47. NOT TO TROLL, BUT... GOATSE.CX! HOT GRITS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  48. If we're so smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how come they're the rich ones?

    1. Re:If we're so smart... by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Who says these people don't understand the exponential equation? Its just the people they are telling it to don't.

  49. Not a myth by Monkey+Angst · · Score: 1

    It's all a misunderstanding. What they meant to say was internet USERS double in size every ten days. I know I do.

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    1. Re:Not a myth by crm114 · · Score: 0

      ..asctually what they meant to say was .. The time it takes to download pr0n doubles every 10 days on a cable modem because the finite bandwith is shared with twice as many users...

  50. nope... by TibbonZero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nope, it doesn't double every 100 days, but the number of my posts to /. do.

    Now if only the size of my Beowulf cluster would double every 100 days...
    Hey, wait a sec... if the internet WERE doubling every 100 days, then wouldn't that mean that they would have to make double the servers every 100 days?....

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    1. Re:nope... by Unknown+Bovine+Group · · Score: 1

      It WOULD double every hundred days if they didn't cap the damn cable modems!

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  51. Typical by llamalicious · · Score: 4, Funny

    The next thing you know, they'll be telling us computers double in speed every 18 months!

    er.

    1. Re:Typical by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      They don't.

      The processor core's speed doubles, in certain architectures. The data is still pushed around at the same sub-microwave frequencies of yesterday, in most instances. Memory and I/O bandwidth and speed has only gradually increased.

    2. Re:Typical by zCyl · · Score: 3, Funny

      The next thing you know, they'll be telling us computers double in speed every 18 months!

      That's all lies! I've been watching mine since I bought it, and the damn thing is still going the same speed...

  52. Worldcom Blame... by Kakarat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I am sure that Worldcom's bloated statistics did mislead some, however it's quite convenient where the other companies are laying the blame.

    Rival telecoms companies believed the myth and cited UUNET's figures, even if their own traffic figures disagreed.

    I find it disturbing that these rival telecom companies aren't making their own decisions. "Tech: Sir, we are only using 3% of our bandwidth and 45% of the nations traffic traverse our networks. CEO: Damnit, can't you hear? We need more bandwidth!! MOORRRREEE!!!!"

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  53. I BET YOUR FAT ASS DOUBLES IN MASS EVERY 100 DAYS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
  54. Worldcom by ajs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Meanwhile, MCI/Worldcom/UUNET was dubbed "Whipping Boy of the Hour" by 17 leading pseudo-news organizations around the world.

    Why is it that we pretend that such over-zealous predictions are unique?

    Worldcom is in trouble so attacking them is easy: they have bigger fish to fry. If you go after Sprint this way, those bastards might sue you!

  55. ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    funny sig link!

  56. Open Challenge to Slashdot Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    OK. Put on your thinking caps everyone:

    How can we get a Worldcom (Enron, Global Crossing ...) executive to mod a PS/2, so they will throw his ass in jail, where it belongs?

  57. OR THE QUESTION: JUST HOW SMELLY IS RMS' BUNGHOLE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  58. Your fish are dead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending
    1976? If these trends continue...ayyy

  59. Double the size of your ... every 100 days! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next week's spam.

  60. of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of course it doubles - 100 days is about the time the M$ worms need to propigate...

  61. yeah but by lingqi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    there really isn't a way around that you know -- i hate the phrase "viscious cycle" but it's very necessary to use it here.

    there are some basic facts we have to deal with when doing this

    1) laying 1 fibre vs. laying 32 fibres costs about the same
    2) you need to lay tons of fibres regardless (because the US is sparced out compared to, say, Tokyo / Seoul)
    3) you need capacity *today*. not 32-fibre worth of capacity, maybe 1 or 2 fibre worth.
    4) you probabbly need the 32-fibre worth of capacity in the future -- okay -- not the *near* future, but you know for a fact it will be utilized later

    so basically, you need to invest in this infrastructure regardless -- because let's face it, you need them damn fibre runs even for today's economy. the choice boils down to
    1) you spend 85 billion for 2 fibres today, and another 80 3 years later when you need to double the capacity
    2) you spend 100 billion for 32 fibres today, and be home free for 12 years or so.

    okay -- simplified math, bs statistics. but pretty much the same point.

    if you were the CEO / CTO, what's gonna be your plan? i know i will bank on the 100 billion.

    so they took a bet and ran out of $$ before it turned profitable. but it's was a lost gamble -- not a bad decision.

    i like to point out that the interstate highway system is pretty much the same except the US got enough cash to cover it while it slowly became... profitable (on a entire economy scale)

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    1. Re:yeah but by hughk · · Score: 2
      The issue is that it is questionable whether the 85 billion investment should have been made, it is then even more doubtful about the 100 billion.

      Is it really such a gamble, are the revenue models that bad or are the ones that get used somehat unrealistic? Unlit fibre isn't an issue, but overborrowing is.

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    2. Re:yeah but by jaoswald · · Score: 2

      The real problem was that too many companies all made the same calculation at the same time, when only a few could possibly survive. An interesting variation was everyone assuming they could rent out excess capacity to cover the costs, when so many companies were building their own extra capacity to rent out, rather than renting it themselves.

      When ten companies all accumulate huge debts with the aim of repaying it when they get 50% market share (especially when they drastically overestimate the market size), it's pretty clear that several are going to be very disappointed.

      For the world, this fiber is valuable. It just isn't valuable enough to justify the huge investment that it required. Now that these companies go bankrupt, the huge debts will get swapped for equity, and they will hopefully be able to turn a profit, once they have basically gotten the fiber for free.

      Of course, this equity swap only happens once the common stock becomes worthless. Keep in mind that once WorldCom has gotten through bankruptcy, their lower debt burden will be a huge advantage, and they will probably end up driving other telecoms bankrupt as they try to compete.

    3. Re:yeah but by pjrc · · Score: 2
      if you were the CEO / CTO, what's gonna be your plan? i know i will bank on the 100 billion.

      OK, but would you hide billions in expenses (commit fraud) along the way ??

    4. Re:yeah but by dubl-u · · Score: 2


      so basically, you need to invest in this infrastructure regardless -- because let's face it, you need them damn fibre runs even for today's economy. the choice boils down to
      1) you spend 85 billion for 2 fibres today, and another 80 3 years later when you need to double the capacity
      2) you spend 100 billion for 32 fibres today, and be home free for 12 years or so.


      If that were the whole picture, that'd be right. but it's more complicated. Those stats work for just the raw fiber, but a ton of money went in to things other than long-haul fiber runs: fiber termination, routing gear, data centers, advertising, and so on. Those expenses could have been deferred, but as the article points out, everybody was chasing a mirage.

      Note that the hidden expenses that brought WorldCom down weren't for installing fiber; they were leases for operating bandwidth.

      i like to point out that the interstate highway system is pretty much the same

      The two main differences being that a) a dozen different companies weren't all trying to build complete national highways at once, and b) our local roads are not controlled by monopolistic entities with a strong interest in keeping you the hell away from the highway unless you go through them at their prices.

    5. Re:yeah but by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      ... (because the US is spaced out ...)

      Especially in California.

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  62. Not quite.... by Alomex · · Score: 2


    I think the Economist strectched the facts a bit here...

    For one Odlyzko's article first appeared in 1998. People in the network community were refering to it back in 2000.

    Also they are trying to pin the blame on Worldcom (kick them while they are down). If the AT&T executives failed to listen to their foremost expert why is that Worldcom's problem? The data Odlyzko quotes from MAE and other NAPs is publicly available. It was very easy for anybody to check and see if data was doubling or not...

    1. Re:Not quite.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this guy up! Just like everyone wanted to hear about internet growth when they owned Cisco and were hoping to have the P/E go from 150 to 200, now all anyone wants to do is malign all things telecommunications related.

    2. Re:Not quite.... by dubl-u · · Score: 2

      Also they are trying to pin the blame on Worldcom (kick them while they are down). If the AT&T executives failed to listen to their foremost expert why is that Worldcom's problem? The data Odlyzko quotes from MAE and other NAPs is publicly available. It was very easy for anybody to check and see if data was doubling or not...

      So pretend you're the CEO of AT&T, a company that is the epitome of old-school telcom companies, one that in the early days of the internet just laughed it off. The bulk of your compensation and all of your reputation depends on making it look like your company is able to keep up with rapidly growing competitors. Keep in mind that this is during a bubble; facts are as nothing to investors, and appearance is everything. WorldCom, the biggest data carrier and a darling of the markets, sez their traffic is doubling every hundred days. And because they've been saying it for so long, everybody takes it as fact.

      One researcher comes to you and says that although he doesn't have any real numbers on Worldcom's network, he has a pretty good idea growth rates are lower. A lot lower. Even if you believe him utterly (and you probably won't), so what?

      To discredit this "fact" would take more than just the CEO of AT&T mentioning it; many industry CEOs would have to come clean at the same time to have a chance of discrediting Worldcom. And if the "fact" weren't true, then investors might notice and start wondering why they were holding exactly so much AT&T stock; if growth is slower than they expected, then it must be worth less, right?

      Suddenly the AT&T stock would be in the toilet, and you'd out on your ear. Since the new info is too scary, you send it out for further study, and never think about it again.

      So yeah, I'd say that the other companies were certainly at fault as well, but Worldcom was pumping air into the bubble for all they were worth. If they had been honest and said "network growth is slowing" then everybody else would have owned up, too. But then, god forbid, they would have missed a quarterly earnings report.

    3. Re:Not quite.... by Jason+Earl · · Score: 2

      Exactly. Since most of these CEOs derived a substantial portion of their income from stock options it was in their best interest to downplay reality. Instead of managing the company for longterm growth and prosperity they settled for managing the stock price into the stratosphere.

      All the more reason to pay your management with money, and not with stock options. If you do want to pay your management with stock options you should at least count that as an expense.

    4. Re:Not quite.... by Inthewire · · Score: 0

      You do know that a CEO's legal responsibility is to manage his company in such a way the the stock increases in value? One reason that his compensation is tied to stock prices is to increase his motivation to do that very duty.

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    5. Re:Not quite.... by Jason+Earl · · Score: 2

      No, the CEO has a legal responsibility to maximize the profitability of the enterprise, the stock price is only tangential to the real issue. All of the companies that are currently involved in scandals were far more concerned with hype than with making real profits, and the reason behind this was simple. The management was being rewarded for hyping up the stock and not for the actual performance of the company.

      Stock options dilute the value of the shares held by investors and then cause the management to spend more time worrying about the stock price than the actual financial status of the company. After all, why should the CEO of WorldCom care that WorldCom is going bankrupt if he has just made a quadzillion dollars in stock options.

      I still believe that stock options are a powerful incentive, but they should be counted as expenses (because that is what they really are) to keep companies from abusing the policy.

    6. Re:Not quite.... by Inthewire · · Score: 1

      Excellent point. That said, I do not and will not own stock (I do realize that my bank account is probably in the market, but I won't invest in the market directly - 401(k), stock buys, whatever. I think the way publicly traded companies are hostages to stock price is sick, and I will divorce myself from it as much as possible.

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    7. Re:Not quite.... by Jason+Earl · · Score: 2

      Hold up there cowboy. Investing in the future is still a smart thing to do, and the stock market has historically been the best performer around. There are still plenty of companies with management that have their eye focused on the ball. It just takes a little extra work investing in these sorts of companies.

      The stock market is like anything else, if it seems like the deal is too good to be true, then it probably is. If you keep that in mind and invest for long term performance then you will be much better off in the market then in a bank account.

    8. Re:Not quite.... by Inthewire · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about maxing out my investments. I'm talking about not destroying companies. I remember watching stocks lose 1/3 of their value when income was off by a few cents. It's a bullshit game.

      Remember what started this - talk of a CEO lying and hiding to inflate the stock price. I don't feel a desire to encourage that sort of behavior. By rewarding inflated stock prices we encourage that behavior. Fund managers are the real bosses these days, and they aren't into providing services or products, they are into finding high margins.

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    9. Re:Not quite.... by Jason+Earl · · Score: 2

      My point is that by not investing at all you are cutting off your nose to spite your face (as my Grandma always says). Sure, some stocks might have lost a third of their value, but chances are that most of that value was hype anyhow. The trick is to stick to basics, dividends, low P/E rations, etc. Worst comes to worse you could simply invest in broad-based index funds like the S&P 500. These types of investments are not going to get the high flying returns that draw speculators, they will encourage honest businesses, and they will be more rewarding than simply putting your money in a bank (in the long run anyhow).

  63. I see... by dmarien · · Score: 2

    As soon as the company files for ch. 11, we start blamming them for everything!

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  64. But they are working on a fix... by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 1

    Why does the stupid program insist I have to write something here? +3.5 (Fractal)

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  65. Of course. by MWoody · · Score: 2

    Of course the statistic was bogus. 47.2% of all statistics are made up.

  66. Got it Backwards by Rayonic · · Score: 1

    Internet traffic grows by a factor of 100 every two days. Now get out there and buy those stocks! Buy Buy Buy!

  67. Fiber optics? by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 2

    Maybe they were saying stuff like this to get government aid for laying fiber optic lines? Fiber can hold a buttload of bandwidth... Maybe they were too cheap (too busy with accounting bullcrap?) to lay lots of it on their own dime?

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    1. Re:Fiber optics? by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      They all did lay it on their own "borrowed dime" thats what started the mess in the first place. Everyone created a network to eat AT&T's lunch, using the new WDM and DWDM fibre, giving them much lower costs. They all did this and found that prices fell significantly from when there were just a few providers using older more expensive technology. However the company's expectations and financing required that they keep the old pricing and their lower costs. As industry leaders began to realize this they scrambled for cash generating assets, Qwest and Global for US West, AOL Time Warner, WCOM MCI and Sprint, now they are trying to pay down the debt loaned to the hot shot company with the old stable company's revenues and cash flow, with differing levels of success. The companies that didn't get a partner before their stock crashed are likely to endup in bankruptcy. I don't think the government, at least in the US had to lay any of the fiber, corporations and investors were happy to have the opportunity.

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  68. Hello by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Introduction

    A fairy gives lectures on morality to the feline anomaly. Furthermore, another photon near an abstraction takes a coffee break, and a mortician buries a blithe spirit. The wedding dress secretly admires a college-educated ball bearing. If the freight train figures out a fire hydrant near a pit viper, then some mating ritual beyond another cowboy reads a magazine. Any squid can find lice on a freight train, but it takes a real recliner to ostensibly plan an escape from another pit viper defined by a prime minister a cough syrup toward a graduated cylinder.

    Another mating ritual

    For example, a blood clot about a turn signal indicates that a financial bartender borrows money from a warranty. When a demon is imaginative, a paper napkin secretly admires an often snooty graduated cylinder. If the grain of sand learns a hard lesson from the short order cook behind some graduated cylinder, then another blithe spirit flies into a rage. Any pig pen can lazily require assistance from a burly plaintiff, but it takes a real fighter pilot to caricature the steam engine over a satellite. Another eagerly temporal minivan slyly buries the obsequious squid, or a briar patch usually gives lectures on morality to a cyprus mulch.

    A gratifying fairy

    Sometimes another cashier reads a magazine, but the fraction for the cyprus mulch always buries a power drill toward the demon! The light bulb befriends a satellite of an apartment building. A lazily Alaskan roller coaster sanitizes another mitochondrial traffic light, or some burglar eats a hesitantly smelly plaintiff. For example, a seldom righteous traffic light indicates that an ocean knows some chestnut inside the tabloid. If the earring somewhat finds subtle faults with a pine cone, then the wheelbarrow hibernates.

    The cocker spaniel about the salad dressing

    For example, the umbrella toward an abstraction indicates that the dolphin near a ball bearing caricatures a girl scout near some diskette. A cocker spaniel for the judge reads a magazine, and a pine cone finds subtle faults with a rattlesnake. Furthermore, the hairy movie theater returns home, and a grizzly bear near a paycheck is a big fan of a childlike burglar. For example, a canyon living with a graduated cylinder indicates that the industrial complex buries a jersey cow.

    Conclusions

    A squid around a jersey cow meditates, and another nation sweeps the floor; however, a scooby snack knowingly finds subtle faults with an apartment building living with another chain saw. When a hockey player around a paycheck is smelly, a minivan has a change of heart about an oil filter about an asteroid. The bartender around a polygon is barely soggy. Indeed, another rattlesnake befriends a warranty. Indeed, the carpet tack for an abstraction usually caricatures an elusive h

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  69. Worldcom - Monopoly? (Slashdot Jan 5, 1998) by cvmvision · · Score: 1

    I just recalled stories on Slashdot - and elsewhere - calling for a halt to the Worldcom merger due to is potential to be a monopoly.

    I quote from Wired: 10:45 a.m. Jan. 6, 1998 PST
    "By eliminating each other as a major competitor and by creating one dominant Internet backbone provider, the merged entity would have the market power to exercise unilateral or concerted action to control the price of and potentially restrict access to the Internet."

    Since most everyone on Slashdot is afraid of Monopolies - realize - that without government to enforce the monopoly the fears of control of price didn't actually materialize. In part this is due to the ability of new players to enter the market (unless entering isn't profitable) and the competition from the development of alternative technologies. Monopolies only become dangerous when barriers to entry are erected by law.

    I guess Worldcom belied its own hype "doubling in 100 days" - and now they're dying!

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  70. Hello by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Introduction

    The cheese wheel inexorably avoids contact with the paycheck. The steam engine goes deep sea fishing with an often outer ski lodge. When the cyprus mulch over a vacuum cleaner hides, a ball bearing gets stinking drunk.

    The tornado

    For example, a submarine behind a class action suit indicates that the optimal fairy satiates an Alaskan recliner. When a mitochondrial bottle of beer is thoroughly dirt-encrusted, a most difficult blood clot underhandedly writes a love letter to a defendant. An earring pees on the cashier over some globule, but the pathetic crane sells another vacuum cleaner behind a scythe to a false wheelbarrow. If a chess board defined by a grain of sand makes love to a crispy cyprus mulch, then a particle accelerator flies into a rage.

    A Eurasian globule

    The feline minivan earns frequent flier miles, and the buzzard defined by a ball bearing trembles; however, a senator living with the girl scout learns a hard lesson from the inferiority complex. Any chain saw can try to seduce the particle accelerator, but it takes a real salad dressing to play pinochle with the inexorably precise paycheck. Furthermore, another seldom load bearing defendant flies into a rage, and a paycheck around a light bulb seeks a roller coaster around another bartender. If a crank case makes love to the diskette, then the squid toward a mortician meditates. Now and then, an insurance agent thoroughly avoids contact with a pompous turkey.

    A microscope

    Most people believe that an orbiting diskette trades baseball cards with a movie theater, but they need to remember how secretly a statesmanlike short order cook wakes up. A paternal roller coaster is usually financial. When the accurately varigated hole puncher takes a coffee break, a slyly smelly garbage can earns frequent flier miles. For example, the phony cheese wheel indicates that the tornado near a fruit cake hesitantly gives lectures on morality to a salad dressing defined by the corporation. The carpet tack near a cargo bay, some parking lot toward a warranty, and a stovepipe beyond a freight train are what made America great!

    Conclusions

    A judge beyond the briar patch laughs and drinks all night with the snooty chestnut. A raspy burglar conquers a bowling ball. For example, another plaintiff toward a bartender indicates that the ski lodge behind a fairy finds lice on a burglar. If some rattlesnake toward a cheese wheel can be kind to a blood clot, then the elusive movie theater self-flagellates. When a photon related to a turkey is most difficult, a self-loathing bottle of beer falls in love with a pickup truck living with the paycheck.

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  71. Does /. post it's traffic? by turnstyle · · Score: 1

    Does /. post it's traffic anywhere? Just curious, seems relevant...

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    1. Re:Does /. post it's traffic? by DJayC · · Score: 1

      You can check out stats at:

      The Slashdot Stats Slashbox

      Might not be exactly what you were looking for, but you can get an idea of the number of hits this site gets.

    2. Re:Does /. post it's traffic? by turnstyle · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tip, perhaps there's a chart somewhere that shows traffic over time?

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  72. Supply and demand in action by Havokmon · · Score: 2
    Woo Hoo!! With all that extra bandwidth available, we should see prices dropping Real Soon Now!

    What's the world record for holding your breath?

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  73. How to Remove Linux, Install WinXP by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The information in this article applies to:

    * Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
    * Microsoft Windows XP Professional

    For a Microsoft Windows 2000 version of this article, see Q247804.
    Summary
    This article explains how to remove the Linux operating system from your computer and install Windows XP. This article assumes that Linux is already installed on your computer's hard disk, that Linux native and Linux swap partitions are in use (which are incompatible with Windows XP), and that there is no free space left on the hard disk.

    NOTE: Windows XP and Linux can coexist on the same computer. For additional information, refer to your Linux documentation.
    More Information
    To install Windows XP on a computer on which Linux is currently installed (and assuming that you want to remove Linux), you must manually delete the partitions used by the Linux operating system. The Windows-compatible partition can be created automatically during the installation of Windows XP.

    IMPORTANT: Before you follow the steps in this article, verify that you have a bootable disk or bootable CD-ROM for the Linux operating system, because these steps completely remove the Linux operating system from your computer. If you intend to restore the Linux operating system at a later date, verify that you also have a functional backup of all the information stored on your computer. Additionally, you must have a full release version of Windows XP to use during this installation. If you intend to use a Windows XP upgrade CD-ROM, a CD-ROM of a qualifying Windows product must be available. Setup from the Windows XP upgrade CD-ROM will prompt you for this CD-ROM.

    Linux file systems use a superblock at the beginning of a disk partition to identify the basic size, shape, and condition of the file system.

    The Linux operating system is generally installed on partition type 83 (Linux native) or 82 (Linux swap). The Linux boot manager (LILO) can be configured to start from either of the following locations:

    * The hard disk Master Boot Record (MBR)

    -or-
    * The root folder of the Linux partition

    The Fdisk tool included with Linux can be used to delete the partitions. (There are other utilities that work just as well, such as Fdisk from MS-DOS 5.0 and later, or you can delete the partitions during the installation process.)

    To remove Linux from your computer and install Windows XP, follow these steps:

    1. Remove the native, swap, and boot partitions used by Linux: Start your computer with the Linux Setup floppy disk, type fdisk at the command prompt, and then press ENTER. NOTE: For help with using the Fdisk tool, type m at the command prompt, and then press ENTER.

    2. Type p at the command prompt, and then press ENTER to display partition information. The first item listed is hard disk 1, partition 1 information, and the second item listed is hard disk 1, partition 2 information.

    3. Type d at the command prompt, and then press ENTER. You are then prompted for the partition number that you want to delete. Type 1, and then press ENTER to delete partition number 1. Repeat this step until all the partitions have been deleted.

    4. Type w, and then press ENTER to write this information to the partition table. Some error messages may be generated (because information is written to the partition table), but they should not be significant at this point because the next step is to restart the computer and then install the new operating system.

    5. Type q at the command prompt, and then press ENTER to quit the Fdisk tool.

    6. Insert either a bootable floppy disk or the bootable Windows XP CD-ROM, and then press CTRL+ALT+DELETE to restart your computer.

    2. Follow the instructions on the screen to install Windows XP.

    The installation process assists you in creating the appropriate partitions on your computer.

    Sample Linux Partition Tables
    Single SCSI Drive

    Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (SCSI hard drive 1, partition 1) /dev/sda2 501 522 176715 82 Linux swap (SCSI hard drive 1, partition 2)

    Multiple SCSI Drives

    Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (SCSI hard drive 1, partition 1) /dev/sda2 501 522 176715 82 Linux swap (SCSI hard drive 1, partition 2) /dev/sdb1 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (SCSI hard drive 2, partition 1)

    Single IDE Drive

    Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (IDE hard drive 1, partition 1) /dev/hda2 501 522 176715 82 Linux swap (IDE hard drive 1, partition 2)

    Multiple IDE Drives

    Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (IDE hard drive 1, partition 1) /dev/hda2 501 522 176715 82 Linux swap (IDE hard drive 1, partition 2) /dev/hdb1 1 500 4016218 83 Linux native (IDE hard drive 2, partition 1)

    Additionally, Linux recognizes more than 40 different partition types, including the following:

    * FAT 12 (Type 01)
    * FAT 16 > 32 M Primary (Type 06)
    * FAT 16 Extended (Type 05)
    * FAT 32 w/o LBA Primary (Type 0b)
    * FAT 32 w/LBA Primary (Type 0c)
    * FAT 16 w/LBA (Type 0e)
    * FAT 16 w/LBA Extended (Type 0f)

    Note that there are other ways to remove the Linux operating system and install Windows XP. The preceding method is included in this article because of the assumptions that the Linux operating system is already functioning and there is no more room on the hard disk. There are methods for changing partition sizes with software designed for managing partitions. Disk partitioning software may cause instability with the Windows XP installation. Microsoft does not support the installation of Windows XP on partitions manipulated in this manner.

    You can also use an MS-DOS version 5.0-or-later boot disk, a Microsoft Windows 95 Startup disk, or a Microsoft Windows 98 Startup disk that contains the Fdisk utility to remove an operating system from the hard disk and install a different operating system. When you start Fdisk and multiple drives are installed on your computer, you are presented with five choices; use option 5 to select the hard disk that has the partition to be deleted. After that (or if you have only one hard disk), select option 3 (Delete partition or logical DOS drive), and then select option 4 (Delete non-DOS partition). You should then see the non-MS-DOS partitions that you want to delete. Typically, the Linux operating system has two non-MS-DOS partitions, but there may be more. After you delete one partition, use the same steps to delete any other appropriate non-MS-DOS partitions.

    For additional information about how to use the Fdisk utility, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: Q255867 How to Use the Fdisk Tool and the Format Tool to Partition or Repartition a Hard Disk After you delete the partitions, you can create partitions and install the operating system that you want. You can create only one primary partition and an extended partition with multiple logical drives by using Fdisk from MS-DOS version 5.0-and-later, Windows 95, and Windows 98. The maximum FAT16 primary partition size is 2 gigabytes (GB). The largest FAT16 logical drive size is 2 GB.

    For additional information, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: Q105074 MS-DOS 6.2 Partitioning Questions and Answers

    When you install Windows XP, the Linux partitions can be removed and new partitions created and formatted with the appropriate file system type during the installation process. Windows XP allows you to create more than one primary partition. Windows XP does recognize the FAT32 file system. During the installation of Windows XP, you can create a very large FAT32 drive. The FAT32 drive can be converted to NTFS after the installation has completed, if appropriate.

    For additional information about how to multiboot with Windows XP, click the article number below to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: Q306559 HOW TO: Create a Multiple-Boot System with Windows XP

    For more information, browse to the following Microsoft Web site:
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techin fo/admi nistration/management/mltiboot.asp
    The third-party contact information included in this article is provided to help you find the technical support you need. This contact information is subject to change without notice. Microsoft in no way guarantees the accuracy of this third-party contact information.

    The third-party products discussed in this article are manufactured by vendors independent of Microsoft; we make no warranty, implied or otherwise, regarding these products' performance or reliability.

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  74. LOVELY SNOT! WONDERFUL SNOT! by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    LOVELY SNOT! WONDERFUL SNOT! By J. Wipo Troll, Esq., $Revision: 1.4 $

    CmdrTaco: You sit here, dear.

    CowboiKneel: All right.

    CmdrTaco (to Waitress): Morning!

    Waitress: Morning!

    CmdrTaco: Well, whatve you got?

    Waitress: Well, theres egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and snot; egg, bacon and snot; egg, bacon, sausage, and snot; snot, bacon, sausage, and snot; snot, egg, snot, snot, bacon, and snot; snot, sausage, snot, snot, bacon, snot, tomato, and snot;

    Slashdot Crew (starting to chant): Snot, snot, snot, snot

    Waitress: Snot, snot, snot, egg, and snot; snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, baked beans, snot, snot, snot

    Slashdot Crew (singing): Snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot!

    Waitress: or Lobster Thermidor au Crevette with a Mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and snot.

    CowboiKneel: Have you got anything without snot?

    Waitress: Well, theres snot, egg, sausage, and snot, thats not got much snot in it.

    CowboiKneel: I dont want any snot!

    CmdrTaco: Why cant he have egg, bacon, snot, and sausage?

    CowboiKneel: Thats got snot in it!

    CmdrTaco: Hasnt got as much snot in it as snot, egg, sausage, and snot, has it?

    Slashdot Crew: Snot, snot, snot, snot! (crescendo through next few lines)

    CowboiKneel: Could you do the egg, bacon, snot, and sausage without the snot then?

    Waitress: Urgghh!

    CowboiKneel: What do you mean Urgghh? I dont like snot!

    Slashdot Crew: Lovely snot! Wonderful snot!

    Waitress: Shut up!

    Slashdot Crew: Lovely snot! Wonderful snot!

    Waitress: Shut up! (Slashdot Crew stops) Bloody Slashdot fags! You cant have egg, bacon, snot and sausage without the snot.

    CowboiKneel (shrieks): I dont like snot!

    CmdrTaco: Sshh, dear, dont cause a fuss. Ill have your snot. I love it. Im having snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, beaked beans, snot, snot, snot, and snot!

    Slashdot Crew (singing): Snot, snot, snot, snot. Lovely snot! Wonderful snot!

    Waitress: Shut up!! Baked beans are off.

    CmdrTaco: Well could I have his snot instead of the baked beans then?

    Waitress: You mean snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot

    Slashdot Crew (singing elaborately): Snot, snot, snot, snot. Lovely snot! Wonderful snot! Snot, sno-o-o-o-o-ot, snot, sno-o-o-o-o-ot snot. Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Snot, snot, snot, snot!



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  75. Taco-snotting is dying by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Netcraft has confirmed: Taco-snotting is dying.

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Taco-snotting community when recently IDC confirmed that Taco-snotting accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all homosexual acts. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Taco-snotting has lost more fag practitioners, this news serves to reinforce what weve known all along. Taco-snotting faggots are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Faggot World comprehensive snotting test.

    You dont need to be a Katz to predict Taco-snottings future. The handwriting is on the wall: Taco-snotting faces a bleak future. In fact there wont be any future at all for Taco-snotting because Taco-snotting is dying. Things are looking very bad for Taco-snotting. As many of us are already aware, Taco-snotting continues to lose faggotshare. White ink flows like a river of bubbly, thick jizz. The circle-snot is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core snotters.

    Lets keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    Circle-snotting leader Jeff Homos Masterbates states that there are 7000 snotters of the circle-snot. How many users of anal snot are there? Lets see. The number of circle-snotting versus anal snot posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 anal snot users. SnotOS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of anal snot posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of SnotOS. A recent article put the circle-snot at about 80 percent of the Taco-snotting market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 circle-snot users. This is consistent with the number of circle-snot Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of CowboiKneels walnuts, abysmal sales and so on, the circle-snot went out of business and was taken over by SNOTi who sell another troubled Taco-snot. Now SNOTi is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another gay whorehouse.

    All major surveys show that Taco-snotting has steadily declined in faggotshare. Taco-snotting is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Taco-snotting is to survive at all it will be among heterosexual hobbyist dabblers. Taco-snotting continues to decay. Nothing short of a jizz-soaked miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Taco-snotting is dead.

    Fact: Taco-snotting is dead.

    - posted by poopbot: because even your grandmother can use lunix

    lDVL0X7tIf Post #774

  76. Funny jokes by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Whats black, blue and green and doesnt like sex?
    The Girl Scout locked in my basement.
    Whats the worst part about having sex with a six year-old?
    Getting the blood out of your clown suit.
    Whats the best thing about getting a hand job from a five year-old?
    That little hand makes your thing look really huge.
    Guy comes home from work to find his girlfriend sitting on the porch, crying.
    Whats wrong, honey?
    Im leaving you! I just found out youre a pdophile!
    Pdophile? Why, thats a pretty big word for a ten year-old.
    How can you tell when your sisters on her period?
    When your dads dick tastes like blood!
    Two pdophiles are lying on a beach tanning, one turns to the other and says, Excuse me, youre in my son.
    What is the sickest sound you hear when fucking a nine year-old?
    Her hips snapping!
    What is the best sound you hear when fucking a 13 year-old?
    Her hips snapping!
    Whats 18 inches long, blue, veiny, and makes a woman cry?
    Crib death.
    How could the mans seven year-old son tell that his dad had fucked his eight year-old sister? His dads weiner tasted like blood!
    Watson returns home to find Holmes in bed with a child. He shouts, Is this some sort of a schoolgirl?
    Holmes replies, Elementary, my dear Watson.
    So I was having sex with my girlfriend, and I decided I wanted to get kinky and try and do her in the ass. So I slipped around back; she looked over her shoulder at me and said, My, how presumptuous of you. I said, Presumptuous? Thats a big word for a ten year-old.
    Two guys are walking down the street when a beautiful woman passes. The first guy says, Damn! Id love to tear her clothes off, do her in the rear, smear my fces all over her, slice off her breasts, chop her into little pieces, put her in a garbage bag and toss her into the river!
    Second guy says, Yuck! Youre a sick bastard!
    First guy says, Whatre you? A fag?
    A kindergarten teacher is asking the kids what their father does for a living. All the kids answer except for Little Johnny. The teacher asks Little Johnny what his Dad does and Johnny replies, My dad is dead.
    The teacher says, Thats terribile, but what did he do before he died?
    Little Johnny replies, He turned blue and shit all over himself!
    A guy calls in sick to work.
    Whats wrong? asks the boss.
    Im sick, the guy replies.
    You sound all right.
    No, Im really sick. Believe me.
    Listen, you were fine yesterday, and we have a lot of work today. I want you in here. You cant be that sick!
    Dude, I just banged my sister. Dont tell me Im not sick.
    A little girl accompanied her father to the barbershop. While her dad received a haircut, the little girl stood next to the barber chair, enjoying a snack cake. The barber smiled at her and said, Sweetheart, youre going to get hair on your Twinkie.
    I know, the little girl replied. Im gonna get tits, too.
    An older man and a small boy walk hand in hand through the woods.
    Boy: These woods sure are spooky!
    Man: You think youre scared, Ive gotta walk out of here alone.
    Whats the difference between Neil Armstrong and Michael Jackson?
    One walked on the moon, and the other rapes little boys.
    Has anyone read Michael Jacksons new book, The Ins and Outs of Child Rearing?
    Q: Whats the difference between a dead baby and a golden delicious apple?
    A: I dont cum all over the golden delicious apple before I take a bite out of it.
    Q: Whats the difference between a dead baby and my girlfriend?
    A: I dont kiss my girlfriend after sex.
    Q: Whats the difference between a dead baby and a table?
    A: You cant fuck a table.
    Q: Whats special about a dead baby over all other forms of life?
    A: You can achieve deep throat from whichever way you enter.
    Q: What do you have when you have four dead babies, take away two, and add five more?
    A: An orgy!
    Q: Whats better than three 14 year-olds?
    A: 14 three year-olds.
    Q: Whats white and bobs up and down in a babys crib?
    A: A pdophiles ass.
    Q: Whats the safest way to play with a baby?
    A: With a condom.
    Q: Whats more fun than feeling up a dead baby?
    A: Feeling up a dead baby with three nipples.
    Q: What does a baby and a Pinto have in common?
    A: Theyre fun to ride until they die.
    Q: What do you get whan you dislocate a dead babys jaw?
    A: Deep throat.
    Q: Whats the difference between a baby and a grandmother?
    A: Grandmothers dont die when you fuck them in the ass.
    Q: Whats the best sound in the world?
    A: Hearing dead babys hips crack under pressure!
    Q: Whats worse than a having sex with a dead baby?
    A: Having sex with a dead baby filled with razor blades.
    Q: How do you stop a baby from choking?
    A: Take your dick out of its mouth.
    Q: Whats worse than finding a dead baby on your pillow in the morning?
    A: Realizing you were drunk and made love to it the night before.
    Q: How do you make a baby cry twice?
    A: Wipe your bloody cock on his teddy bear.
    Whats better than sex with a twelve year-old boy?
    Absolutely nothing.

    - posted by poopbot: for all your crapflooding needs

    TeijOUHPkH Post #775

  77. Pink page of death!! by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Either your network or ip address has been banned from this site

    due to script flooding that originated from your network or ip address -- or this IP might have been used to post comments designed to break web browser rendering. If you feel that this is unwarranted, feel free to include your IP address (1.2.3.4) in the subject of an email, and we will examine why there is a ban. If you fail to include the IP address (again, in the Subject!), then your message will be deleted and ignored. I mean come on, we're good, we're not psychic.
    Since you can't read the FAQ because you're banned, here's the relevant portion:

    Why is my IP banned?
    Â Perhaps you are running some sort of program that loaded thousands of Slashdot Pages. We have limited resources here and are fairly protective of them. We need to make sure that everyone shares. If your IP loads thousands of pages in a day, you will likely be banned. Please note that many proxy servers load large quantities of pages, but we can usually distinguish between proxy servers being used by humans, and IPs running software that is hammering our servers.

    Â Your IP might have been used to perform some sort of denial of service attack against Slashdot. These range from simple programs that just load a lot of pages, to programs that attempt to coordinate an avalanche of posts in the forums (often through misconfigured "Open Relay" proxy servers).

    Â You might be using a proxy server that is also being used by another person who did something from the above list. You should have your proxy server administrator contact us.

    Â Your IP might have been used to post comments designed to break web browser rendering.

    Answered by: CmdrTaco
    Last Modified: 7/02/02

    How do I get an IP Unbanned?
    Email banned@slashdot.org. Make sure to include the IP in question, and any other pertinent information. If you are connecting through a proxy server, you might need to have your proxy server's admin contact us instead of you.

    Answered by: CmdrTaco
    Last Modified: 3/26/02

    - posted by poopbot: the bot formerly known as pwpbot

    L3ZV4N6fiR Post #776

  78. BECAUSE YOU AREN'T A SUBJECT LINE TROLL, ASSLICKER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  79. [on by] A modest proposal by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It seems that the Janitors, in their infinite wisdom, have banned people who have low/negative karma from posting more than twice per day. Personally I find this completely stupid.

    All the trolls will simply post AC as I am doing now. Proxies can be used to get around any ipid bans that result from AC trolls.

    Surely it is better to let the trolls post at -1 where it is out of most peoples way rather than have them all post at 0 and suck up mod points and time from "legit" users?

    I have tried to communicate my thoughts to the slashcode team but alas, to no avail. They are probably all sittin on their starwars bed sheets watching anime hentai tentacle rape pr0n.

    Here is my proposal: All trolls that cannot post using their account post as AC. Use proxies if need be (www.antiproxy.com is a good source). I suspect this will show them how useless this idea is. Will blocking troll uid's stop trolls? NO! will ipid bans stop trolls? NO!

    I seriously fail to see the point of this and consider it a stupid move by the janitors.

    They want us to troll and crapflood at 0 rather than -1? Fine! So be it! No longer will we post at -1 where few people dare to visit, now we will post at 0 where we will be more visible and waste peoples time, energy and mod points! Hoorah!

    The next thing you know, posting AC will be banned! Then what will you do? No more posting interesting insider tidbits! Groupthink all the way baby! oh yeah!

    So logout, post shit, use proxies and above all have fun!

    Let the games begin! -- on by

    - posted by poopbot: for all your crapflooding needs

    sKZlrdsOAC Post #777

  80. The "Moon": A Liberal Myth by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Credits: 70%

    It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have fallen so quickly and so hard for a fraudulent fabrication of such laughable proportions. The very idea that a gigantic ball of rock happens to orbit our planet, showing itself in neat, four-week cycles -- with the same side facing us all the time -- is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is an insult to common sense and a damnable affront to intellectual honesty and integrity. That people actually believe it is evidence that the liberals have wrested the last vestiges of control of our public school system from decent, God-fearing Americans (as if any further evidence was needed! Daddy's Roommate? God Almighty!)

    Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.

    Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!

    Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our governme

    - posted by poopbot: information likes to be narrow

    fAvQccDo6h Post #778

  81. THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ [slashdot.org]
    By J. Wipo Troll, Esq. [slashdot.org], $Revision: 1.16 $
    [This article attempts to document a vile, ungodly practice that runs rampant through the homosexual geek and hacker community, a practice known as âoeTaco-snotting,â or simply âoesnotting.â Taco-snotting is something that few geeks dare talk about in free or open conversation, but it is nonetheless a widely-practiced and dangerous form of homosexuality. If you or anyone you know has ever engaged in Taco-snotting, please get professional help [adequacy.org] before it is too late. â"ed.]

    Why do I keep receiving emails from an individual calling himself âoeCmdrTacoâ?
    You have been receiving unsolicited mailings from a certain Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda [cmdrtaco.net], owner of the popular technology website slashdot.org [slashdot.org]. Actually, itâ(TM)s not a very âoepopularâ site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks and hackers, zit-faced nerds, communists, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com], and other societal rejects and outcasts. Itâ(TM)s also home to one of the worldâ(TM)s largest suspected pædophile rings, the infamous âoeSlashdot crew.â
    Whenever Mr. Malda gets bored (and who wouldnâ(TM)t, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the user database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual activities with him. How he determines this is anyoneâ(TM)s guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with a letter of the English alphabet in it, youâ(TM)re a potential candidate.
    This time, he found you. Lucky you.

    Mr. Malda seems to be speaking in some sort of code. Do you know what it means?
    CmdrTacoâ(TM)s code language is relatively easy to decipher. This pervert prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo (yes, thatâ(TM)s right: he wants you) to evade the watchful eye of Slashdotâ(TM)s parent corporation, VA Software [yahoo.com]. Mr. Maldaâ(TM)s âoeCommanderâ is, of course, his penis: a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of Maldaâ(TM)s own lubed-up right hand. His âoeTaco bells [sonymusic.com]â are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his âoeTaco sauceâ is his thin, runny semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to âoering his Taco bellsâ or âoetaste his gourmet Taco sauce.â
    I would also guess CmdrTaco asked you to engage in a practice known as âoeTaco-snottingâ and, if he was in a particularly depraved mood at the time, a âoecircle-snot.â

    Good Lord. And, yes, he did. What is âoeTaco-snottingâ?
    âoeTaco-snottingâ is the term used by Robert Malda to refer to the depraved act of fellating another man (homo- or heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumoured to prefer raping unwilling victims), then blowing the semen out his nose and back onto the face and body of his victim. Naturally, a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTacoâ(TM)s face [go.com], dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, âoeTaco-snotting.â
    And if thatâ(TM)s not bad enoughâ¦
    A âoecircle-snotâ is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew [bastardgenres.com]. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com], and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum â" spooging their jizz-snot all over each otherâ(TM)s faces and pasty, white bodies, until theyâ(TM)re covered head to toe with their own and each otherâ(TM)s man juice. This vile, ungodly ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limousine service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
    To complete this perverted orgy, fellow faggots Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The homosexual shenanigans that follow are nearly beyond description. The whole group begins to snot each otherâ(TM)s spunk and whip each otherâ(TM)s pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

    Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?
    Hopefully, but I wouldnâ(TM)t count on it.
    To begin with, you most likely forgot to uncheck the âoeWilling to Snotâ checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad (do you have a homosexual-sounding nick?), and heâ(TM)s probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube, just waiting to pounce and declare you his new bitch. Thereâ(TM)s no escaping a geek in heat (trust me), so itâ(TM)s probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTacoâ(TM)s sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on Messages, and uncheck the box next to âoeWilling to Snot.â Maybe heâ(TM)ll ignore you. Probably not.

    I canâ(TM)t stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?
    If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, hemight leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge⦠oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot all over you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

    Have you ever been Taco-snotted?
    Unfortunately, yes. I first met Mr. Malda at an Open Source Convention [amazon.com]. He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some âoegourmet Tacos,â but when I got there, the perverted geek jumped me and handcuffed me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his âoeCommanderâ out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times, virtually nonstop. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm⦠then he snotted my own thick, gooey jizz back onto my face out of his nostrils! He snotted me two more times, first into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
    CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, âoeOpen Sauceâ â" man sauce) buddies over to continue their ungodly snotfest. European hacker and known überfaggot Linux Torvalds raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his âoemonolithic kernel [yahoo.com];â his partner-in-crime Anal Cox used their âoenetwork stackâ in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice of my defenseless, tender, young body. Michael Sims was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my previously-virginal ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about âoeall those Censorware [spectacle.org] freaks out to get him.â

    That is so disgusting! How did you finally escape?
    After about 16 hours of countless unholy, homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, completely covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant â" I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door (of the apartment, not their back doors). Iâ(TM)m just glad I survived the awful ordeal. These sexually-repressed hackers had alot of built-up spunk in their wads â" I couldâ(TM)ve easily been drowned!

    Thatâ(TM)s horrible. Does âoeTaco-snottingâ have anything to do with CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ?
    No, thatâ(TM)s a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. Mr. Malda is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games. WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership [slashdot.org] about this vile practice (emphasis added):
    You may be wondering what CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ is. You will be wishing that you hadnâ(TM)t been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his âoespecial taco,â CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, takes out his tiny withered dick (otherwise known as his âoeCommanderâ), puts his âoespecial taco sauceâ on it which means he jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim. After all, who would knowingly eat shit and CmdrTacoâ(TM)s jizz?
    After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTacoâ(TM)s nefarious homosexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victimâ(TM)s ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved. Trust me, you do not want Jon Katz anywhere near your unconscious body. Also, rumor has it CmdrTaco is looking for a new goatse.cx guy [goatse.cx]. Donâ(TM)t let it be you!
    Different ungodly perversion, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

    Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.
    Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. Heâ(TM)s also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Mr. Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesnâ(TM)t involve himself in the circle-snots, but that doesâ(TM)t mean heâ(TM)s any less of a freak than the rest of the Slashdot crew. Katz often engages in a game called âoejuicy-douching [aol.com]â with a harem of little-boy slaves that he has collected over the years: yet another vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boyâ(TM)s urine (forced out of them with a pair of pincers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then dribbling and slathering the goo all over himself and the boyâ(TM)s chained, naked bodies. If heâ(TM)s in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag from his distended anus and just squirt it from his ass [microsoft.com] onto the crying, terrified boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pincers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them at will. A boy will usually last about two years before Mr. Katz either accidentally drowns them in diarrhea or kills them once they get too old, usually around 13 or 14.
    Not content with being a pædophilic coprophile, Mr. Katz is also quite the zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys arenâ(TM)t enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goatâ(TM)s anus [yahoo.com]. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goatâ(TM)s small, bean-like turds, and he often kills his older boys by letting his goats trample them.

    â¦Are you getting hard writing this?
    Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

    No, thanks. Iâ(TM)m already CmdrTacoâ(TM)s boi toi.
    ________________________________________

    * The URL of this document is
    * Previous revisions are publicly available at

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    Copyright © 2001 J. Wipo Troll, Esq. [slashdot.org] Verbatim crapflooding of this document is permitted in any medium, provided this copyright notice is preserved, and next time you take a dump, you think of the WIPO Troll and all heâ(TM)s done to make Slashdot a better place.

    - posted by poopbot: for the crapflooder in all of us

    4zEghxj1z9 Post #779

  82. 3 out of 4 ain't bad. by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 1

    If you could do that in the market, you'd be rich. I agree, all doctors aren;t egotists. Problem is, their power is such that a few of them have monumental consequences for their patients. Tom Brokaw can't kill you in the normal course of events. Politicians can , but it usually takes a while. CEOs can just lose you your job, which could kill you in the long run. But an egotistical doctor who doesn't know how to listen to his patients is a walking time bomb.

    As for Guam, in the "absolute" sense, it's a speck of dust in the cosmos.

    --
    Hic iacet Arthurus, rex quondam rexque futurus.
  83. Funny jokes by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Whats black, blue and green and doesnt like sex?
    The Girl Scout locked in my basement.
    Whats the worst part about having sex with a six year-old?
    Getting the blood out of your clown suit.
    Whats the best thing about getting a hand job from a five year-old?
    That little hand makes your thing look really huge.
    Guy comes home from work to find his girlfriend sitting on the porch, crying.
    Whats wrong, honey?
    Im leaving you! I just found out youre a pdophile!
    Pdophile? Why, thats a pretty big word for a ten year-old.
    How can you tell when your sisters on her period?
    When your dads dick tastes like blood!
    Two pdophiles are lying on a beach tanning, one turns to the other and says, Excuse me, youre in my son.
    What is the sickest sound you hear when fucking a nine year-old?
    Her hips snapping!
    What is the best sound you hear when fucking a 13 year-old?
    Her hips snapping!
    Whats 18 inches long, blue, veiny, and makes a woman cry?
    Crib death.
    How could the mans seven year-old son tell that his dad had fucked his eight year-old sister? His dads weiner tasted like blood!
    Watson returns home to find Holmes in bed with a child. He shouts, Is this some sort of a schoolgirl?
    Holmes replies, Elementary, my dear Watson.
    So I was having sex with my girlfriend, and I decided I wanted to get kinky and try and do her in the ass. So I slipped around back; she looked over her shoulder at me and said, My, how presumptuous of you. I said, Presumptuous? Thats a big word for a ten year-old.
    Two guys are walking down the street when a beautiful woman passes. The first guy says, Damn! Id love to tear her clothes off, do her in the rear, smear my fces all over her, slice off her breasts, chop her into little pieces, put her in a garbage bag and toss her into the river!
    Second guy says, Yuck! Youre a sick bastard!
    First guy says, Whatre you? A fag?
    A kindergarten teacher is asking the kids what their father does for a living. All the kids answer except for Little Johnny. The teacher asks Little Johnny what his Dad does and Johnny replies, My dad is dead.
    The teacher says, Thats terribile, but what did he do before he died?
    Little Johnny replies, He turned blue and shit all over himself!
    A guy calls in sick to work.
    Whats wrong? asks the boss.
    Im sick, the guy replies.
    You sound all right.
    No, Im really sick. Believe me.
    Listen, you were fine yesterday, and we have a lot of work today. I want you in here. You cant be that sick!
    Dude, I just banged my sister. Dont tell me Im not sick.
    A little girl accompanied her father to the barbershop. While her dad received a haircut, the little girl stood next to the barber chair, enjoying a snack cake. The barber smiled at her and said, Sweetheart, youre going to get hair on your Twinkie.
    I know, the little girl replied. Im gonna get tits, too.
    An older man and a small boy walk hand in hand through the woods.
    Boy: These woods sure are spooky!
    Man: You think youre scared, Ive gotta walk out of here alone.
    Whats the difference between Neil Armstrong and Michael Jackson?
    One walked on the moon, and the other rapes little boys.
    Has anyone read Michael Jacksons new book, The Ins and Outs of Child Rearing?
    Q: Whats the difference between a dead baby and a golden delicious apple?
    A: I dont cum all over the golden delicious apple before I take a bite out of it.
    Q: Whats the difference between a dead baby and my girlfriend?
    A: I dont kiss my girlfriend after sex.
    Q: Whats the difference between a dead baby and a table?
    A: You cant fuck a table.
    Q: Whats special about a dead baby over all other forms of life?
    A: You can achieve deep throat from whichever way you enter.
    Q: What do you have when you have four dead babies, take away two, and add five more?
    A: An orgy!
    Q: Whats better than three 14 year-olds?
    A: 14 three year-olds.
    Q: Whats white and bobs up and down in a babys crib?
    A: A pdophiles ass.
    Q: Whats the safest way to play with a baby?
    A: With a condom.
    Q: Whats more fun than feeling up a dead baby?
    A: Feeling up a dead baby with three nipples.
    Q: What does a baby and a Pinto have in common?
    A: Theyre fun to ride until they die.
    Q: What do you get whan you dislocate a dead babys jaw?
    A: Deep throat.
    Q: Whats the difference between a baby and a grandmother?
    A: Grandmothers dont die when you fuck them in the ass.
    Q: Whats the best sound in the world?
    A: Hearing dead babys hips crack under pressure!
    Q: Whats worse than a having sex with a dead baby?
    A: Having sex with a dead baby filled with razor blades.
    Q: How do you stop a baby from choking?
    A: Take your dick out of its mouth.
    Q: Whats worse than finding a dead baby on your pillow in the morning?
    A: Realizing you were drunk and made love to it the night before.
    Q: How do you make a baby cry twice?
    A: Wipe your bloody cock on his teddy bear.
    Whats better than sex with a twelve year-old boy?
    Absolutely nothing.

    - posted by poopbot: because even your grandmother can use lunix

    x2d4Ddhsa7 Post #780

  84. Why can't I buy cheap bandwidth??? by JohnDenver · · Score: 2

    If capacity has grown 500x in the last 5 years, and if demand has only quadrupled (4x), then webhosting should be dirt cheap, right???

    After all, all of this overbuilding was for backbones and not the last mile, right?

    So why are webhosting companies still charging $20 for 20 GB/month transfer rate, which is a little more monthly transfer rate than that of a 56K modem?

    Does anybody have an real insight into the problem, and how I might go about exploiting it?
    After all, How can we help the telecom industry if they can't give us discounts to access these overbuilt networks?

    --
    "Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
    1. Re:Why can't I buy cheap bandwidth??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the question that should be comming up in Congress.

    2. Re:Why can't I buy cheap bandwidth??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First - 20GB/mo isn't a meaningful bandwidth amount. A more appropriate term is 'transfer'.

      Hosting firms have to find a way to balance the commonly used 'transfer' sale units (GB/mo) against an acceptable bandwidth speed to move those units.

      I imagine we could get you much lower than $1/GB/mo -- you would just be appalled at the speed at which it got transferred.

      Look at it this way -- at maximum capacity, 1MBit/s ends up equalling about 300GB/mo. These days, if you take the average bandwidth provider -- excluding Cogent -- you can get bandwidth in the range of $285/MBit if you buy in bulk (>=155MBit/mo).

      What's that mean? Each gigabyte transferred in a month costs about $0.95 per month IF you keep the line maxxed the entire month.

      The problem is, you cannot peg the line. If you peg the line, that means you are OUT of capacity. You need to buy more -- yesterday. If you don't, your customers will experience unacceptable line speeds.

      You could say that you should only use 75% of capacity, which is reasonable. That means each gigabyte from the Tier 1's REALLY costs about $1.27. But wait, there's more! Don't forget to factor in that $500k of networking infrastructure you had to build out, plus the engineers to run it, plus the local telephone service to support the movement of data from your facility to the Tier 1!

      Really, if your upstream provider is buying from the big guys -- UUNet, AT&T, Sprint, etc -- and they're selling you bandwidth for less than $1.50/GB, bow down and worship them -- they're selling to you at a loss.

      Mind you -- this all changes if they're buying from places like Cogent. Cogent is like $35k/mo/1000MBit. However, with Cogent, you do get what you pay for -- which isn't much.

      Now, as for why the Tier1's sell for those prices, it's simple. They've invested billions and billions of dollars in building out new infrastructure, and they haven't yet recouped the cost. Until they do, prices will be much higher.

      Look at it this way -- think about how many years we've had the telephone infrastructure in this country. Right now, we're paying like $0.05/minute for long distance. In the 1970's, they were paying $0.25/min. Now, factor in inflation of 5%/yr -- they were paying something like $3.55/min in today's dollars, 71 times as much!

      Why has cost come down so low? Well, competition is certainly part of it, but another major part of it is the fact that we are no longer paying for the initial buildout of the infrastructure. All the money they charge us now is profit on already-paid for lines.

      Once the big telecoms have recouped their investment on all the fiber they've laid, look for prices to plummet -- they will.

  85. The "Moon": A Liberal Myth by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Credits: 70%

    It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have fallen so quickly and so hard for a fraudulent fabrication of such laughable proportions. The very idea that a gigantic ball of rock happens to orbit our planet, showing itself in neat, four-week cycles -- with the same side facing us all the time -- is ludicrous. Furthermore, it is an insult to common sense and a damnable affront to intellectual honesty and integrity. That people actually believe it is evidence that the liberals have wrested the last vestiges of control of our public school system from decent, God-fearing Americans (as if any further evidence was needed! Daddy's Roommate? God Almighty!)

    Documentaries such as Enemy of the State have accurately portrayed the elaborate, byzantine network of surveillance satellites that the liberals have sent into space to spy on law-abiding Americans. Equipped with technology developed by Handgun Control, Inc., these satellites have the ability to detect firearms from hundreds of kilometers up. That's right, neighbors .. the next time you're out in the backyard exercising your Second Amendment rights, the liberals will see it! These satellites are sensitive enough to tell the difference between a Colt .45 and a .38 Special! And when they detect you with a firearm, their computers cross-reference the address to figure out your name, and then an enormous database housed at Berkeley is updated with information about you.

    Of course, this all works fine during the day, but what about at night? Even the liberals can't control the rotation of the Earth to prevent nightfall from setting in (only Joshua was able to ask for that particular favor!) That's where the "moon" comes in. Powered by nuclear reactors, the "moon" is nothing more than an enormous balloon, emitting trillions of candlepower of gun-revealing light. Piloted by key members of the liberal community, the "moon" is strategically moved across the country, pointing out those who dare to make use of their God-given rights at night!

    Yes, I know this probably sounds paranoid and preposterous, but consider this. Despite what the revisionist historians tell you, there is no mention of the "moon" anywhere in literature or historical documents -- anywhere -- before 1950. That is when it was initially launched. When President Josef Kennedy, at the State of the Union address, proclaimed "We choose to go to the moon", he may as well have said "We choose to go to the weather balloon." The subsequent faking of a "moon" landing on national TV was the first step in a long history of the erosion of our constitutional rights by leftists in this country. No longer can we hide from our governme

    - posted by poopbot: information likes to be narrow

    7EX7Ld80sk Post #781

  86. Some empirical data by swm · · Score: 3, Informative

    from Jakob Nielsen

    http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9509.html

  87. My Lunix Experience by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I've been using home computers since the VIC-20 and I've come to dread and fear the possibility of being forced to adopt Linux as a result of Microsoft's heavy-handedness. After being hyped by friends and co-workers about the pleasures of this great and fantastic open-source operating system, I attempted to load Linux, not once but four times on three year old PC that was previously running Win98.

    The first time took me about an hour to realize that I had to reformat the hard disk and wipe out years worth of work (after backing it up on CD-R). Then I had to figure that the only way to get the Linux CD to actually start loading was to boot it from the CD by modifying the CMOS settings as the PC was starting up. A simple line suggesting this that could have been printed on the CD would have saved a lot of time!

    After loading a whole gigabyte of stuff onto the empty hard drive (do I really need to load 50 megabytes of TeX fonts when I'm just trying to get a demo of Linux????), the entire process halted when the floppy disk drive didn't respond. The Linux loader demanded a working floppy backup of some obscure file be made and since I've never used the floppy drive, I didn't know that it didn't work. The installation process locked up and I had to reboot.

    The reboot left me in UNIX hell: a black screen half filled with incomprehensible characters with a single flashing dollar sign as the only indication that the entire PC was still working. No matter what I typed or tried (simple intutitve commands like 'help' 'review' 'exit' 'restore' 'dir' 'What the fuck is happening?') nothing made any intelligent response except for returning me to the flashing dollar sign. Shit! I'm in Dante's seventh circle of hell for misers. I was forced to reformat the hard drive and reinstall Windows in order to confirm that I still had a working PC.

    I bought a new floppy drive that I will never use in order to load this wonderful and fantastic operating system. Reformated the hard drive, reset the CMOS, and loaded a whole gig of worthless junk from the penguin CD. Everything loaded and I made all of the selections for keyboard and mouse ect... The system rebooted and got to the point where it should have started to work and simply stopped. No response to mouse, keypress, or anything. I reloaded Windows (it worked perfectly) and decided to load Linux on my new good computer.

    I ended up back bashed back in UNIX hell and having to load Windows and ALL of my programs and files from CD backups, which took hours. I convinced that Linux is some kind of really bad joke or else an 'emperor's new clothes' type of mass hallucination. How can anyone with a pretension of being a computer professional seriously believe or claim that this junk is ready to take on Windows?

    - posted by poopbot: crapflooding since 7/8/02

    tgOILZiHZx Post #782

  88. Lies, damn lies, and statistics by Interrobang · · Score: 2

    (Thank you Samuel Clemens.) Well, fortunately, it seems as though a lot of people who use those doctored statistics often wind up hoist on their own petard. Looks like WorldCom's getting there, as was Child Find in an article in the Denver Post that won a Pulitzer Prize for reporters Griego and Kilzer.

    There are some spectacularly bad examples in the posting above... I'm not sure anyone ever said there were a million homeless people. However, the widely-criticised (as to methodology) US census survey cited almost half a million, which you can add for yourself here. Also, as to the "statistics" quoted by the poster on sexual orientation, I know that as early as 1972 the University of Guelph's Veterinary and Agricultural Colleges were using the 10% figure in training films (one of which, my friend, a student in another department at the time, narrated) on animal breeding, and in Animal Days, the British naturalist Desmond Morris mentions something similar based on his work with ten-spined sticklebacks (1958). Similar figures seem to hold through all animal species.

    The problem seems to be that too many of the general public fall for that same old Ad Verecundiam Fallacy. I think it's a lack of critical thinking skills.

    And in this day and age, if a CEO doesn't qualify as an "improper authority"... --smirk--

    1. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics by Kyeo · · Score: 1

      Thank you Samuel Clemens.
      I believe that was Benjamin Disreali actually.

    2. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics by Interrobang · · Score: 2

      Well, according to everything I've been able to find, there's about a 50-50 split attributing it to either, although one Disraeli expert says that they can't source the quotation, and I can't seem to find footnotes for either. I tend to believe Twain because to me it sounds more like Twain than the much more genteel Disraeli.

    3. Re:Lies, damn lies, and statistics by Eccles · · Score: 1

      Well, according to everything I've been able to find, there's about a 50-50 split attributing it to either, although one Disraeli expert says that they can't source the quotation, and I can't seem to find footnotes for either.

      It gets more complicated: according to one web page I found, Twain attributes the quote to Disraeli in his autobiography. So we can possibly blame Twain for the whole mix-up. Anyone have the Oxford Guide to Quotations?

      --
      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
  89. Good News and Bad News by fm6 · · Score: 2

    Interesting. This situation is going to be very good news for some people and very bad for others. The good news is for bandwidth customers, since whoever buys up Worldcom's assets won't have to repay their debt, and will be able to charge low prices for bandwidth. The bad news is that the investors who financed this infrastructure can say bye-bye to their money.

    1. Re:Good News and Bad News by hughk · · Score: 2
      Wasn't this what happened with Iridium?

      Someone mentioned the Federal highway system (note Federal), another analogy was the early days of the railroad. This is perhaps a better analogy because of the bubbles, corporate shenanigans and general dodgy practices involved during the early days.

      --
      See my journal, I write things there
    2. Re:Good News and Bad News by fm6 · · Score: 2

      You're right about Iridium. The new owners could never afford to operate it if they had to cover the original startup costs. But I don't get the big about railways and highways.

    3. Re:Good News and Bad News by hughk · · Score: 2

      Both the Federal Highway system and the original railroads cost a bundle to build. Governments can take a long term view but corporations can't. The early railroad corps spent a bundle on creating infrastructure bu then tried to cover up their costs. Many went bankrupt as investors lost patience.

      --
      See my journal, I write things there
  90. This is what happens... by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...when suits make decisions and don't believe what their own highly trained, highly experienced, and usually certified staff tell them. Believe me, I'm experiencing this first hand.

    1. Re:This is what happens... by Icculus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, then you should take off your suit and listen to them!

  91. The Troll Polka: UPDATED by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    THE TROLL POLKA (ARSCHFICKEN MIT ZIEGEN)
    By Serial Troller, 2002-06-25

    Is das nicht ein early post? Ja! Das ist mein early post!
    Is das nicht ein Goatse ghost? Ja! Das ist mein Goatse ghost!
    Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das post at minus one? Ja! Das ist at minus one!
    Is das trolling so much fun? Ja! Das trolling is so fun!
    Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht ein big crapflood? Ja! Das ist mein big crapflood!
    Is it worthless Linux FUD? Ja! Das ist mein Linux FUD!
    Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht der CowBoiKneel? Ja! Das ist der CowBoiKneel!
    Is dis nicht his manchode meal? Ja! Das ist his manchode meal!
    CowBoiKneel, manchode meal, Big crapflood, Linux FUD,
    Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht ein WIPO Troll? Ja! Das ist der WIPO Troll!
    Is das nicht ein Goatse hole? Ja! Das ist der Goatse hole!
    WIPO Troll, Goatse hole, CowBoiKneel, manchode meal,
    Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht Jon Katz' slave boys? Ja! Das ist Jon Katz' slave boys!
    Und are they not Taco's sex toys? Ja! They are Taco's sex toys!
    Katz' slave boys, Rob's sex toys, WIPO Troll, Goatse hole,
    CowBoiKneel, manchode meal, Big crapflood, Linux FUD,
    Minus one, trolling fun, Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Slashdot sucks!

    Is das nicht ein trolltalk thread? Ja! Das ist ein trolltalk thread!
    Is it nicht now FUCKING DEAD? Ja! Is really FUCKING DEAD!
    Trolltalk thread, FUCKING DEAD! Katz' slave boys, Rob's sex toys,
    WIPO Troll, Goatse hole, CowBoiKneel, manchode meal,
    Big crapflood, Linux FUD, Minus one, trolling fun,
    Early post, Goatse ghost,
    Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene, Oh, du schoene,
    Slashdot sucks!

    ____________________

    Change Log:

    * Subtle changes to most verses. It sounded really gay before.
    * Removed all references to Taco's pud. May have been high at time. Will investigate further.
    * Finally think I have goat sex written correctly in German. I think. Arschficken?

    (C) 2002 Serial Troller. Permission to reproduce this document is granted provided that you send all the bukkake porn you can find to serialtroller@hotmail.com.

    - posted by poopbot: because even your grandmother can use lunix

    I7JLKphLY4 Post #783

  92. OPEN SOURCE MISCONCEPTIONS by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    OPEN SOURCE MISCONCEPTIONS
    By Serial Troller

    Myth: Open Source is written by heterosexuals.

    Fact: All Open Source development is done by raging homosexuals. The more flaming examples include Anal Cox, Linus Turdballs, Eric Ass-Reaming Raymond, and the entire Slashdot crew. The ringleader of the slashdotters, a man named CmdrTaco, engages in a practice known as Taco-snotting, along with his faggot-buddies Jeff Homos Bates and CowBoiKneel.

    Myth: Open Source is written for heterosexuals.

    Fact: Using Open Source software can cause suppressed homosexual fantasies to surface, leading to all out flaming faggotry within 6-8 weeks. Anecdotes of otherwise hetero men turning queer are far too numerous to count, but a few examples stand out. In one case, a man was arrested loitering outside an elementary school and making sexual overtures to several children: he quickly confessed that shortly after installing the Mozilla browser on his computer, he began to have uncontrollable urges to, to put it simply, have his cock sucked off by little boys. He soon met several other like-minded men through discussions on the Bugger Zilla mailing list (all already homosexuals), who together kidnapped a total of seven children whom they brought back to their apartment and sodomized. The other two men are still at large and believed to still be using Mozilla.

    Myth: Open Source is multicultural.

    Fact: Open Source is openly racist.

    Myth: Open Source is democratic.

    Fact: Open Source is controlled by a few narrow-minded zealots (mentioned throughout this post), most of whom are either Communists, Stalinists, Nazis, or Fascists. Additionally, Open Source supports terrorism.

    Myth: Open Source is tolerant of religious preferences.

    Fact: Open Source developers regularly engage in holy wars over the superiority of various Open Source projects, such as the Emacs program (preferred by Christians) versus vi (used mostly by neo-pagans and Satanists); or the KDE desktop (a favorite among Muslims) versus the GNOME project (particularly favored by Jews). Posts initiating crusades or jihads against other developers can be found regularly throughout the newsgroups and mailing lists.

    Myth: Open Source is tolerant of sexual preference.

    Fact: See above. Either you are a homo, you become a homo, or you never visit Richard Stallman alone in his office and hope to God you never meet him on the street at night.

    Myth: Open Source is tolerant of political differences.

    Fact: Open Source is an anarcho-communist philosophy bent on the destruction of capitalism. The very same Richard Stallman, a man whose name is disturbingly reminiscent of Stalin, has stated several times in public that his vision includes the subjugation of all who own intellectual properties under the jackboot of the GPL. The GPL is a pernicious piece of literature lifted straight from Karl Marxs Communist Manifesto, and is fortunately banned in many democratic nations.

    * * * * * UPDATE * * * * *

    Myth: Open Source programming is a harlmess, healthy activity.

    Fact: Open Source programming has been known to lead to massive obesity, violent tendencies with an obsession with handguns, paranoid-delusional ranting, and in severe cases, complete insanity. If anyone you know is thinking about going Open Source, stop them before its too late!

    * * * * * UPDATE * * * * *

    ____________________

    2002 Serial Troller. Permission to reproduce this document is granted provided that you send all the bukkake porn you can find to serialtroller@hotmail.com.

    - posted by poopbot: because we're all crapflooders at heart

    I0bzMrBHfg Post #784

  93. It would be if not for by jhines · · Score: 2

    The RIAA and MPAA. Their clampdown is the reason for the diminishment of growth in network traffic.

    1. Re:It would be if not for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought I heard John Doerr state this same idea on a Chuck Rose show last spring.

      I seem to recall him stating that if the RIAA would loosen up a bit concerning private (in home)use of their property, then both the RIAA and telecom industries would benefit.

    2. Re:It would be if not for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the dimished *illegal* traffic make way for *legal* traffic then I say *great*! Now if the *other* 50% of net traffic could be curbed (SPAM), those of us that use the net legally will be in hog heaven.

  94. THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ [slashdot.org]
    By J. Wipo Troll, Esq. [slashdot.org], $Revision: 1.16 $
    [This article attempts to document a vile, ungodly practice that runs rampant through the homosexual geek and hacker community, a practice known as âoeTaco-snotting,â or simply âoesnotting.â Taco-snotting is something that few geeks dare talk about in free or open conversation, but it is nonetheless a widely-practiced and dangerous form of homosexuality. If you or anyone you know has ever engaged in Taco-snotting, please get professional help [adequacy.org] before it is too late. â"ed.]

    Why do I keep receiving emails from an individual calling himself âoeCmdrTacoâ?
    You have been receiving unsolicited mailings from a certain Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda [cmdrtaco.net], owner of the popular technology website slashdot.org [slashdot.org]. Actually, itâ(TM)s not a very âoepopularâ site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks and hackers, zit-faced nerds, communists, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com], and other societal rejects and outcasts. Itâ(TM)s also home to one of the worldâ(TM)s largest suspected pædophile rings, the infamous âoeSlashdot crew.â
    Whenever Mr. Malda gets bored (and who wouldnâ(TM)t, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the user database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual activities with him. How he determines this is anyoneâ(TM)s guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with a letter of the English alphabet in it, youâ(TM)re a potential candidate.
    This time, he found you. Lucky you.

    Mr. Malda seems to be speaking in some sort of code. Do you know what it means?
    CmdrTacoâ(TM)s code language is relatively easy to decipher. This pervert prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo (yes, thatâ(TM)s right: he wants you) to evade the watchful eye of Slashdotâ(TM)s parent corporation, VA Software [yahoo.com]. Mr. Maldaâ(TM)s âoeCommanderâ is, of course, his penis: a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of Maldaâ(TM)s own lubed-up right hand. His âoeTaco bells [sonymusic.com]â are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his âoeTaco sauceâ is his thin, runny semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to âoering his Taco bellsâ or âoetaste his gourmet Taco sauce.â
    I would also guess CmdrTaco asked you to engage in a practice known as âoeTaco-snottingâ and, if he was in a particularly depraved mood at the time, a âoecircle-snot.â

    Good Lord. And, yes, he did. What is âoeTaco-snottingâ?
    âoeTaco-snottingâ is the term used by Robert Malda to refer to the depraved act of fellating another man (homo- or heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumoured to prefer raping unwilling victims), then blowing the semen out his nose and back onto the face and body of his victim. Naturally, a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTacoâ(TM)s face [go.com], dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, âoeTaco-snotting.â
    And if thatâ(TM)s not bad enoughâ¦
    A âoecircle-snotâ is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew [bastardgenres.com]. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com], and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum â" spooging their jizz-snot all over each otherâ(TM)s faces and pasty, white bodies, until theyâ(TM)re covered head to toe with their own and each otherâ(TM)s man juice. This vile, ungodly ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limousine service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
    To complete this perverted orgy, fellow faggots Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The homosexual shenanigans that follow are nearly beyond description. The whole group begins to snot each otherâ(TM)s spunk and whip each otherâ(TM)s pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

    Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?
    Hopefully, but I wouldnâ(TM)t count on it.
    To begin with, you most likely forgot to uncheck the âoeWilling to Snotâ checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad (do you have a homosexual-sounding nick?), and heâ(TM)s probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube, just waiting to pounce and declare you his new bitch. Thereâ(TM)s no escaping a geek in heat (trust me), so itâ(TM)s probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTacoâ(TM)s sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on Messages, and uncheck the box next to âoeWilling to Snot.â Maybe heâ(TM)ll ignore you. Probably not.

    I canâ(TM)t stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?
    If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, hemight leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge⦠oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot all over you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

    Have you ever been Taco-snotted?
    Unfortunately, yes. I first met Mr. Malda at an Open Source Convention [amazon.com]. He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some âoegourmet Tacos,â but when I got there, the perverted geek jumped me and handcuffed me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his âoeCommanderâ out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times, virtually nonstop. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm⦠then he snotted my own thick, gooey jizz back onto my face out of his nostrils! He snotted me two more times, first into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
    CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, âoeOpen Sauceâ â" man sauce) buddies over to continue their ungodly snotfest. European hacker and known überfaggot Linux Torvalds raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his âoemonolithic kernel [yahoo.com];â his partner-in-crime Anal Cox used their âoenetwork stackâ in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice of my defenseless, tender, young body. Michael Sims was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my previously-virginal ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about âoeall those Censorware [spectacle.org] freaks out to get him.â

    That is so disgusting! How did you finally escape?
    After about 16 hours of countless unholy, homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, completely covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant â" I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door (of the apartment, not their back doors). Iâ(TM)m just glad I survived the awful ordeal. These sexually-repressed hackers had alot of built-up spunk in their wads â" I couldâ(TM)ve easily been drowned!

    Thatâ(TM)s horrible. Does âoeTaco-snottingâ have anything to do with CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ?
    No, thatâ(TM)s a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. Mr. Malda is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games. WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership [slashdot.org] about this vile practice (emphasis added):
    You may be wondering what CmdrTacoâ(TM)s âoespecial tacoâ is. You will be wishing that you hadnâ(TM)t been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his âoespecial taco,â CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, takes out his tiny withered dick (otherwise known as his âoeCommanderâ), puts his âoespecial taco sauceâ on it which means he jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim. After all, who would knowingly eat shit and CmdrTacoâ(TM)s jizz?
    After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTacoâ(TM)s nefarious homosexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victimâ(TM)s ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved. Trust me, you do not want Jon Katz anywhere near your unconscious body. Also, rumor has it CmdrTaco is looking for a new goatse.cx guy [goatse.cx]. Donâ(TM)t let it be you!
    Different ungodly perversion, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that Robert âoeCmdrTacoâ Malda is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

    Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.
    Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. Heâ(TM)s also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Mr. Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesnâ(TM)t involve himself in the circle-snots, but that doesâ(TM)t mean heâ(TM)s any less of a freak than the rest of the Slashdot crew. Katz often engages in a game called âoejuicy-douching [aol.com]â with a harem of little-boy slaves that he has collected over the years: yet another vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boyâ(TM)s urine (forced out of them with a pair of pincers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then dribbling and slathering the goo all over himself and the boyâ(TM)s chained, naked bodies. If heâ(TM)s in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag from his distended anus and just squirt it from his ass [microsoft.com] onto the crying, terrified boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pincers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them at will. A boy will usually last about two years before Mr. Katz either accidentally drowns them in diarrhea or kills them once they get too old, usually around 13 or 14.
    Not content with being a pædophilic coprophile, Mr. Katz is also quite the zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys arenâ(TM)t enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goatâ(TM)s anus [yahoo.com]. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goatâ(TM)s small, bean-like turds, and he often kills his older boys by letting his goats trample them.

    â¦Are you getting hard writing this?
    Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

    No, thanks. Iâ(TM)m already CmdrTacoâ(TM)s boi toi.
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  95. Modding a PS/2 is illegal??? by CarrionBird · · Score: 1

    Man, I hope they don't find that 20 meg HardCard! And the second 720K floppy drive, oh man I'm screwed!

    --
    Free Mac Mini Yeah, it's
  96. I see I need to LURN TU SPEL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blame these nuts!

  97. That was a good idea.... by eyeareque · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Was it illegal for WorldCom to lie about the percentage of traffic that hit their network? Obviously it is in a grey area, and being that WorldCom had a minor monopoly it was easy for them to do. Business is a dog eat dog world. It's interesting to see how creative businesses will get when they want to throw off their compeditors. It makes you stop and wonder if WorldCom gave out correct information how much money would have been saved by their compeditors, and who would not have gone bankrupt.

  98. Why FreeBSD is dying by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    The End of FreeBSD

    [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

    To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

    To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

    To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

    Future

    I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

    However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

    You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

    = Mike

    --

    To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt



    - posted by poopbot: for the crapflooder in all of us

    zzScpSjO1F Post #786
  99. Actually... by prozach · · Score: 1

    Sadly, I work for WorldCom still and when I was hired about 1.5 years ago I do remember them in their "come work for us because we're cool" speech they mentioned that they backbone capacity was doubled every year. Probably some PR person heard it wrong and assumed what would sell more stock.

  100. A typical slashdot day by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Credits: anonymous

    "Mmmm... this feels good..." I sighed.
    "Shhh!" hissed Hemos. "We don't want Mark to come in here!"

    True. Having Hemos's 16 year-old brother walk in on us at that moment would not be good. I didn't think he'd be too cool with finding his 12 year-old brother lying naked with me, holding my 11 year-old dick in his hands. But, in all fairness, my hands were eagerly playing with Hemos's dick and balls at that moment, too.

    Hemos's mom and dad had gone to the drive-in, leaving his big brother in charge. In our favor, leaving Mark in charge pretty much guaranteed that we weren't to bother him, and in turn, he'd leave us alone unless we were making too much noise or breaking something. Well, we were being careful to keep quiet because we very much wanted to be left alone.

    We were in Hemos's twin bed, snuggled under the covers with our underwear pushed down to the foot of the bed. The only illumination in the room came from the faint sliver of light that crept in under his bedroom door. Even in the shadows I could make out the shape of my friend; about my height, but heavier. (Hell, I was such a skinny runt that everyone was heavier than me.) Hemos had a crew-cut of white-blonde hair, and was only starting to sprout some pubic hair. But, you had to feel for it because what little pubic hair he possessed was as blonde as the short hair on his hea and could not yet be seen by even a minimal distance.

    And, I was happily feeling for it, running my hands all over Hemos's slightly larger erection and fondling his larger testicles while he courteously stroked my dick. I could tell that he didn't possess the same enthusiasm for cockplay as I did, unless you count his appreciation for the attention devoted to his member. And I knew that my willingness to satisfy his sexual urges was one of the few reasons he even had me sleep over at his place. But, I didn't let that stop me from finding pleasure in the handling of his meat.

    I'd recently had an "introduction", of sorts, to seeing what someone could do with a man's dick with their mouth. While spending the night with my Uncle Jerry a couple weeks before, while I watched in secret, I was treated to a visual display of the intensity and unabashed pleasure that my uncle had obviously enjoyed having another man suck on his cock. From that moment on, I had a yearning that I needed to satisfy. With who was my only question.

    I guess it was time to find out.

    "I... heard that sucking on it feels even better than playing with it." I ventured.

    In the darkness, I could feel a slight jerk of revulsion in Hemos's body.

    "Put a dick in your mouth?" he croaked.

    "Well, " I countered, my heart pounding with anxiety, "I think adults do it all the time."

    "Well, I'm not gonna do it!" Hemos hissed. "That's homo stuff!"

    "Yeah." I sighed disappointedly, while still playing with Hemos's dick. "I guess it is."

    As I stroked his shaft in a steadier, milking rhythm, I could sense Hemos's breaths getting quicker. His manipulations of my dick began to falter as I could feel his body tense beside me. His hips rocked slightly in time with my pumping of his cock, and I cradled his balls tenderly in my other hand. When any attentions to my own dick has completely ebbed, I knew what was about to happen, so I picked up the pace just a bit more while lending a touch more pressure in my grip. Finally, Hemos's breath caught in his throat, and he turned his face fully into his pillow to stifle the moans that broke free as his cock pulsed and throbbed in a dry orgasm within my hands. I continued to massage him and didn't release him from my grasp until his member had gone fully soft.

    "Man," sighed Hemos dreamily after finally catching his breath. "You are so good at that, CmdrTaco."

    At least I had something to be proud of, I guess, as my friend gently withdrew himself from me and rolled onto his back.

    Even though I was only eleven, the irony of Hemos's words and actions were not lost on me. My sucking on him would have been a "homo" thing, but beating him off was okay. Go figure. Within the few moments I had spent mulling over the irony of the thoughts, Hemos had drifted off to sleep. I slipped out from under the covers and down to the cool floor so I could masturbate without shaking the bed. As I toyed with my own dick, I imagined Hemos's cock in my mouth, wondering if the chance would ever really come. Finally, my own climax washed over me, and I got back into the bed.

    I don't sleep real well to begin with, and even worse when I'm not in my own bed. And now, with the thoughts of a dick so close to me, as well as the vivid memories of secretly seeing man-to-man cocksucking pleasure floating through my prepubescent, sex-filled brain, I was not about to fall asleep anytime soon. Lying awake until around 11:30, I finally decided that I needed to do something to satisfy my hungers, or I'd never be able to let it rest. The trick was in finding the guts to follow through.

    I knew that whenever Hemos fell asleep, he pretty much stayed asleep. So, since he was sleeping soundly, lying on his back, I took a deep breath and gingerly ducked my head under the covers and scooted down as much as I could to the foot of the bed. That put my head right at Hemos's hip level. I raised my head and upper body to help create a tent over his crotch. Sniffing around, I found the faint scent of young penis flesh. I inhaled deeply, both in the love of the scent, and in an attempt to slow my pounding heart. I opened my mouth wide over the area where I sensed Hemos's dick to be, and lowered my mouth squarely over his soft cock and balls until I could feel his sparse pubic hairs tickling my cheek. I finally had a dick in my mouth! I just wasn't sure what I'd do if Hemos woke to find his "homo" friend in this situation.

    I remained like that for a long moment, partially in fear of trying anything more, and partly to savor the moment. I carefully let my tongue start to explore his tender penile flesh, enjoying the texture. Then came the excitement that welled within me as his cock began to respond to my attentions and harden in my warm and wet mouth! Butterflies seemed to explode in my stomach and drown out my heartbeat as I felt his dick get to its full size in my mouth. Concentrating in that dark environment, I found myself beginning to identify the shape of his member by taste. The shaft actually seemed to taste different than the head, and the thin skin of his scrotum seemed to harbor another distinct flavor.

    I started to softly suck on Hemos's dick, becoming fascinated at how it just seemed to, well, 'fit' in my mouth... how the head lent itself to the back of my tongue, and how the shaft rested between my tongue and the roof of my mouth. My excitement was so great that my own recently satisfied dick was responding again, inviting me to play. I was sucking a cock, and I was in heaven!

    However, within seconds, Hemos seemed to get restless. In fear, I quickly pulled my mouth away from Hemos's candy stick and held still. The covers rustled, and pulled back.

    "Whatcha doin'?" mumbled Hemos.

    "I... uh... was trying to find my shorts down here," I lied, starting to fumble near our feet. Well, partial lie, because it was a good idea to do so, anyway, and now was as good a time as any.

    "Oh, yeah," said Hemos. "Get mine, too, willya?"

    "S-sure" I stammered, relieved.

    I located the two items of clothing and scooted back up towards the head of the bed. Thankfully, our underwear were pretty easy to distinguish since Hemos wore boxers, and I wore briefs. We both fumbled to put them on in the dark, and then settled back into the bed. I lay stiffly on my back, still harboring some fear that my friend discovered more than he let on, but Hemos simply rolled onto his side, facing away from me, and promptly went back to sleep.

    And, here I was again, so close to my fantasies, yet still so far.

    And very much awake.

    After hearing the clock in the hallway chime midnight, I finally got up to go to the bathroom. Figuring it was late enough not to be an issue, and since even if Hemos's parents were home that they would be in their own bedroom downstairs, I didn't bother to slip on my pants for the short trip down the hall. I walked softly to the bedroom door, and then stepped out into the hallway, illuminated dimly by a bare-bulb night light. I walked past big brother Mark's door to the bathroom at the end of the hall and turned on the light as I shut the door.

    Peeing into the toilet, I looked up at my reflection in the large mirror and smiled slyly to myself. I actually sucked on a dick, even if for only a moment! At that moment I was Rob Maldo, secret agent double-O-seven, who could sneak in and suck a dick, and sneak away without being caught!

    I flushed the toilet and switched out the light as I headed back down the hall. Slipping past Mark's door once again, the door flew open, and a hand covered my mouth while a muscular arm snapped around my waist and drew me into the room. Squirming in the arms of Hemos's athletic older brother was a waste of effort, and he only squeezed harder until I settled down.

    "You'll keep quiet if you know what's good for you,' growled Mark into my ear. "You gonna be quiet?"

    I nodded. Mark let go of my mouth and reached over to close his bedroom door, the other hand and arm still holding me firmly with my feet off the ground. I heard something click, and recalled, and not without a certain amount of childish fear, that Mark had a lock on his door.

    The room had a yellowish glow from the large lava lamp next to Mark's bed. He took me over to the bed and tossed me face down onto it, kneeling next to me. I thought briefly about trying to get up and run, but to where?

    When I felt Mark's hands on me again, I was determined to fight him off, but I was no match for him as he flipped me onto my back and straddled me, sitting squarely on my upper chest, his knees pinning my shoulders and my arms locked between his legs. I gazed up at his lean, muscled torso, his stern blue eyes under a tussled mane of reddish-blonde hair. I could feel the soft fabric of his boxers against my chin.

    "Can't get up, can ya?" he said, grinning down at me, all snide and victorious.

    I struggled a bit, more out of obligation, but knew it was no use. Mark was just too big for me.

    "Whatsamatter?" huffed Mark. "You too weak to fight? Or, maybe you just like laying there, sniffing dicks?"

    I started squirming a bit harder, but Mark's legs only clamped tighter. At least he had scooted down a bit, and was no longer suffocating me with his weight on my chest.

    "Yeah! Maybe you're a homo-boy who just likes sniffing dicks. Maybe you wanna sniff my big dick?"

    I didn't care for where this was going, and I wasn't too comfortable with the tone of Mark's voice. But, I was also not being given much of a choice in the matter. Especially when Mark reached into the fly of his boxers and pulled out his cock.

    "Here you are, homo-boy... a nice, fresh big-man dick!" grinned Mark fiendishly. "Ain't it a beaut?"

    He held it out for me, then leaned forward and started to rub his cock on my face, tracing my cheeks and nose with the bulbous head. His testicles soon followed his dick through the opening, until they were dangling on my chin, the coarse pubes tickling my lips. Their faint musky scent began to fill my nostrils.

    "CmdrTaco's just a little dick-faced homo-boy, ain't he?" sneered Mark, sliding his cock across my face. "I saw you in there, your head under the covers. What were you doing? Giving my little brother a blow job?"

    I didn't answer. I was at once shocked at the thought of having been discovered, and confused by Mark's remark. I then guessed that he meant sucking a dick was called a 'blow job'. But... you're not blowing, you're sucking, and-

    "You were, weren't you, you little homo!"

    It was obvious what had happened; that Mark had looked in on us to find my head under the blankets. I thought I had sensed a miniscule change in the light, but assumed that to be part of my excitement. That must have been what woke Hemos up so suddenly.

    "So, maybe you aren't just dick-faced, " he said, rubbing his cock on my face again. "Maybe you're a dick sucker!" He leaned forward, mashing his hairy ball sack into my nose, then pulling back to trace my features again with his member. But, even as Mark taunted me, treating his cock as a threatening weapon, there was something else happening.

    He was getting a boner.

    And as I closed my eyes, I could feel his cock thickening against my face. I could sense the heat of his hardening dick directly on my flesh. And, I found I was enjoying the sensations of this older cock against my face. There would soon be no way of hiding the fact that I was getting excited, too.

    "So, dick-sucker-CmdrTaco... you're gonna suck my dick, now."

    My eyes sprung open to see Mark's fully erect cock pointing at my face. While it wasn't huge (I had already seen 'huge' with my Uncle Jerry), it was still big enough to scare me.

    And excite me to no end.

    "Open wide, homo-boy."

    Without another moment of hesitation, or taking my eyes off of Mark's sleek tool, I opened my mouth as wide as I could and watched as he leaned down and slid that beautiful cock into my waiting mouth. I then settled my tongue against the bottom half of his shaft while I could feel the upper half press against the roof of my mouth. Its texture was soft, yet hard; smooth, yet distinct.

    "There," he sighed. "Now, you have a real dick to suck on. Now, get started, suck-boy!"

    It was so much bigger than Hemos's young dick, I wasn't sure if I could get enough suction worked up to suck on it. It was then that I found out what sucking a cock is really all about: friction.

    Mark held the base of his dick to guide himself and started to pump into my mouth, sliding his dick in and out of my salivating lips. He would slip in precariously between my teeth until he was near to choke me, then pull back out until the base of the bulbous head was just close to popping free from my lips, held in place by the suction of my mouth. Then he... we... would do it all over again... over and over... and gloriously over again.

    "Oh, you are good, CmdrTaco," he moaned softly. "You suck cock real good."

    I don't know about that; it seemed he was doing all the real work. But, I wanted it to be good. I wanted to have this dick in my mouth. And I wanted it again and again. I was definitely enjoying the oral sensations as his near-adult dick worked back and forth in my hungry mouth, and I wanted so much to please him so he would want my mouth again.

    Mark placed his other hand on the top of my head to steady me as his thrusts became a little more erratic. His breath quickened, and I could sense that he was trying hard not to ram himself all the way down my throat and choke me. He was making little grunts with each thrust, and I could feel his dick turn to stone in my mouth when, in a mix of fear and excitement, I suddenly recalled what would happen next.

    "Oh, baby... oh, fuck..."

    Mark's movements got all quick and jerky. I was almost afraid to breathe.

    "OHHHH!!!" he moaned, pulling out of my mouth and letting loose with a burst of white goo that seemed to splatter all over as he pumped his dick with his fist. My head still held firmly in his other hand, the warm liquid flew partly into my still open mouth, and all over my nose and eyebrows. I swallowed briefly, not sure whether to gag or hope for more, tasting fully the salty and musky liquid, then opened my mouth once more as Mark stuck his creaming cock back in and worked the thick fluid throughout my young mouth.

    I sucked until Mark went soft and withdrew his spent dick. He smiled down at me, obviously proud of what he had done. He finally got off of me (good thing since I thought my arms were going to fall off) and stood there for a moment, an interesting picture with his hands on his hips, and his drained cock and balls hanging out of the fly of his plaid boxers. I just lay there with his juices clinging to my skin, wanting to do it all over again.

    Mark bent down and picked up a t-shirt, and proceeded to wipe the remainder of his goo off my face. Finished with that, he tossed the shirt into a hamper and walked over to his bedroom door to unlock it as he tucked his manhood back into his underwear.

    "You better get back into Hemos's bed before mom and dad find you here," he said softly.

    I reluctantly got off Mark's bed and walked to the door. As I was about to exit, he reached out to stop me briefly.

    "You liked that, didn't you, homo-boy?"

    I nodded, not sure where he was going with this inquiry.

    "Your first taste of cum?"

    I shrugged, then nodded again.

    "If you're good, maybe I'll let you suck my dick again some time, CmdrTaco. Now, get your ass out of here before I kick it."

    I stepped out of the room and felt the door close harshly behind me. I could still taste traces of Mark's cum in my mouth, could still sense the friction of his cock on my tongue. I smiled in remembrance.

    I was hooked.

    - posted by poopbot: lovely snot! wonderful snot!

    vtnKPNzpOf Post #787

  101. Re:75% of coke drinkers prefer taste of PEPSI! Fac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pepsi does taste better in small doses because it's so much sweeter. If you had these people polish off a 2 liter bottle of each, I don't think the results would be quite as skewed.

    Oh, and for christ's sake back up your claims with actual studies.

    Why is "Post Anonymously" so goddamned close to "Submit"?

  102. Slashdot has confirmed:PWP is dying by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered trolling community when recently Slashdot confirmed that, after several changes were made to production Slashcode, wide posts account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all Slashdot posts. Coming on the heels of the latest verions of IE which make page-widening more difficult, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. the wide posts that we love are collapsing into the narrow posts that we are used to, as further exemplified by the lack of Slashbots complaining about difficulty reading Slashdot's articles.

    You don't need to be a Klerck to predict PWP's future. The hand writing is on the wall: PWP faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for PWP because PWP is dying. Things are looking very bad for PWP. As many of us are already aware, PWP continues to be defeated by users with thresholds of 1 or higher. Mod points flow like a river of blood. Klerck's PWP-bot posts are the most endangered of them all, having been filtered early on because of their uniformity.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    PWP leader Klerck states that there are 7 wide posts in the average Slashdot article. How many non-wide crapflood posts are there? Let's see. The number of crapflood versus wide posts on Slahdot is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7*5 = 35 non-wide crapflood posts in every Slashdot article. Tacosnotting posts on Slashdot are about half of the volume of crapflood posts. Therefore there are about 17 tacosnotting posts per article. A recent article put Goatse.cx trolls at about 80 percent of total troll posts. Therefore there are a hell of a lot of homosexual trolls. This is consistent with the number of Goatse.cx Slashdot posts.

    But Slashdot is only part of the picture. Due to the troubles at Slashdot, negative revenue and so on, the site will soon go out of business and many users will flock to alternative weblogs, where PWP is almost completely unknown. Trollaxor.com, the popular troll hangout, is also dying, its corpse sodomized in yet another Greek bath house.

    All major surveys show that PWP has steadily declined in the scope of all troll posts. PWP is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If PWP is to survive at all it will be among Blog faggot using outdated versions of Slashcode. PWP continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, PWP is dead.

    - posted by poopbot: crapflooding since 7/8/02

    FpIZoe6IYm Post #788

  103. Extrapolation Sucks by junk95 · · Score: 1

    One of the very fist things people learn in Numerical Analysis classes is the principle

    Do NOT Extrapolate

    Unlike interpolation (which is guessing the value of a function f(x) where x is in (x0,x1) and f(x0), f(x1) is known), extrapolation (which is forecasting the value f(x) where x is in (x1,+Inf) ) is doomed to almost always yield incorrect results.
    In plain English, even if traffic had beed growing by 100% every month so far, this would not necessarily mean that the same trend would carry on from now on.
    I wish somebody put DO NOT EXTRAPOLATE under every manager's, stockholder's, futurist's pillow. Less money would be lost, less nonsense would be said.
    So, if Telecom companies and stockholders believed Worldcom's lies (or honest nonsense), I guess they had it coming...

  104. Failed dotcom visionary. by miffo.swe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The ISP's thought they could recover the losses on delivering bandwidth with the upcoming content buisiness. What they failed to see whas that no one would be buying content until the bandwidth was enough to support content like video and such at an acceptable quality. 512 kbit/s isnt near enough for semi quality video (no glitches and acceptable resolution). Bandwidth demand wont rise much until there is content that demands it and vice versa. If i do the things i do today i really dont need more bandwidth. I surf and d/l and chat. If i dont take pirating movies into the account there are few occasions where i really would benifit from having more bandwidth. A faster ping might help me when i run around fragging in fraggelonia but all the bandwidth in the world wont matter a bit. If movie companies start renting out movies on the net and does it broadly it would create a big demand for bandwidth but it has to happen at the same time and not one a while after the other. Worldcom and other ISP's have been waiting on the content companies and vice versa.

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  105. Doing the math... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    traffic at (T=0) = B
    delta time(years) = DT
    traffic at DT = B*2^(DT*365.24/100)

    hmmm... lets say there was 1 KB of traffic per hour in 1990 (ridiculously low...) B=1, DT=12.
    2^(43.8) = 1.53e13 KB = 15.3 petabytes of traffic per hour today. Somehow I doubt it... :)

  106. Trollling in the name of by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Credits: Big Dogs Cock

    Trolling in the name of
    Some of those that boot Suse
    Are the same that bought XP
    Some of those that boot Suse
    Are the same that bought XP
    Trolling in the name of
    And now you run what they told you
    And now you run what they told you
    And now you run what they told you

    95 is justified for running the games that you didn't buy
    95 is justified for running the games that you didn't buy
    Some of those that boot Suse
    Are the same that bought XP
    Some of those that boot Suse
    Are the same that bought XP

    And you run what they told you
    Now your under control
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    Fuck you I wont run what you tell me
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    Motherfucker

    - posted by poopbot: information likes to be narrow

    X6vAgK9Mll Post #790

  107. My favorite things by poopbot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Credits: on by

    crapfloods and trolling and raping small kittens
    nice wider pages and wanking with mittens
    turd report packages tied up with strings
    these are a few of my favorite things

    grits covered portman and ASCII art doodles
    ACs and CLITers and Katz sex with poodles
    wild trolls that fly with plus five mod scoring
    these are a few of my favorite things

    when the ban hits, when I can't post, when I'm feeling sad
    i simply remember my favorite things
    then i don't feel so bad

    Rob Malda chugs penis in fan fiction slashes
    taco snot over my nose and eyelashes
    BSD dying and that goatse ring
    these are a few of my favorite things

    grits covered portman and ASCII art doodles
    ACs and CLITers and Katz sex with poodles
    wild trolls that fly with plus five mod scoring
    these are a few of my favorite things

    when the ban hits, when I can't post when, I'm feeling sad
    i simply remember my favorite things
    then i don't feel so bad

    - posted by poopbot: for all your crapflooding needs

    1BuNaliAbt Post #790

  108. The Words of Disco Stu by ronfar · · Score: 1
    Disco Stu's sales pitch at his franchise booth:
    Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976? If these trends continue... A-y-y-y!
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  109. I blame the government more than Worldcom by bluprint · · Score: 1

    "The claim assumed unimpeachable status when it appeared in a report published by America's Department of Commerce in April 1998."

    This begs the question....How many other reports have they published but done zero research for?

    A company can claim anything, and they usually do. People frequently are skeptical of corporate claims, until the government "affirms" it. Phin Fin (or however it is spelled) was "approved" by the FDA. Perhaps the FDA should have removed their collective head from their ass before approving it, and likewise, maybe the DoC should actually so some research before making great claims that people believe.

    I'm not sure how it happened, but the goverment gained a reputation such that anything that comes from DC must be the gospel.

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    1. Re:I blame the government more than Worldcom by TheAwfulTruth · · Score: 2

      Shit, if you got rid of the FDA there would be 10,000 Phen-Fens on the market in a year. Having ONE get through every several years is not a blanket condemnation for getting rid of the system completely. It's great and all to be able to sue pharm companies after they kill thousands of people. But doing something, ANYTHING, to try to prevent those deaths up front is not a useless endevor.

      That peice of meat WAS in good condition when it got to the store. Sure they can ruin it for you on premisis, but what condition would that meat be without any inspection at all (or worse "self inspection")?

      This is a typical Libertarian posing. And for being the "geek" party they show an enormous lack of thought and practical reality with these sorts of "platforms".

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    2. Re:I blame the government more than Worldcom by bluprint · · Score: 1

      "But doing something, ANYTHING, to try to prevent those deaths up front is not a useless endevor."

      Even if that "ANYTHING" is a lack of action (or in this case, NOT approving a drug) which kills even more people than the mistake?

      This is a typical Libertarian posing. And for being the "geek" party they show an enormous lack of thought and practical reality with these sorts of "platforms".

      And your implication that because the government is doing it, it must be ok is typical of apathetic, non-thinking Americans. People should be involved and not rely on mother-government to tell them everything. Find drug companies that consistently put out good drugs, and only buy from those. There is no logical reason to believe a market driven drug economy would be less efficient than what we currently have.

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  110. what media? by rodentia · · Score: 2

    What does this have to do with media, guaco? A child knows not to believe everything in the newspapers. This is misinformation from sources with legal and fiduciary responsibility to act forthrightly. This is financial analysts spouting press releases as research, accountants fudging figures, corporate execs talking up the sleeves of their $3,000 suits in their annual reports.

    The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. --Thomas Jefferson.

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    1. Re:what media? by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

      I apologize for failing to include the entire world in my diatribe. The fact of the matter is that, by and large, almost everyone today fails to think skeptically and objectively (to the extent the latter is even possible) about things that are fed to them.

      It is incredibly hard for the average person to think to himself, "prove it! prove it! prove it!" when the tv or radio or newspaper runs or when the CEO or analyst or stockbroker spits out something. That is what they should do, but at some point, the mind gets numb, the body relaxes, and a feeling of submission washes over you. Then, Big Brother is your friend, at least for a little while, till the carbs quit and you return to full consciousness.

      All my paranoid thoughts aside, my initial broadside was unleashed at the media because that is simply where this sort of stuff is disseminated most widely. The whole idea that the Economist was "Shocked! Shocked!" by the incident just aggravated me a bit. The media also have pretentions to being authoritative fact checkers when the the reality is quite different. They're just as braindead and accepting as the rest of us.

    2. Re:what media? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brother, you just described slashdot to a tee. Your Freudian slip is showing.

  111. Do the math... by Alsee · · Score: 2

    At that rate (doubling every 100 days) it only takes 8.9 years to go from 1 to 6.32 billion. How many people are there on earth? Oh yeah, 6.32 billion.

    Hmmm.... something smells fishy.

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  112. Oh Great by prakashj79 · · Score: 1
    Time for some WorldCom-bashing, now that they are down under. I wonder why such juicy tidbits never came out when WorldCom was doing well...

    I find it mildly ironic that /. believes things that are printed by the mainstream media.

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  113. Re:Per-customer Basis by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

    Then why aren't "neighborhood" CO-OP/ISP's more popular? It would seem that providing a single 10Mbps link to a point on (say) a city block for residential (or even multi-use) service would be viable.

    But, all we have is "connection sharing," where one customer gives away their connectivity, without being able to add any value or economies of scale for others.

    Don't get me wrong; I know the per-customer cost is high (it'll take PacBell 2-3 months on my DSL service to cover the support calls and startup kit!), but why don't we see anyone filling the gap on bundled/value-added services in that last 100m?

  114. The "Decade of the '90s" by BigChigger · · Score: 0

    makes the '80s "Decade of Greed" look like a kindergarten class. Bill "I never had sex" Clinton and Al "I invented the Internet" Gore really lead the charge too.

    Lies. Lies. Lies.

    Next time I hear about "greedy Republicans" I'm going to hit someone.

    BC

    1. Re:The "Decade of the '90s" by Narchie+Troll · · Score: 1

      And exactly which decade set the standard for '90s greed? That's right, the '80s.
      Greed is hardly something that can be pinned down to a specific era, and the Democratic and Republican parties share responsibility for promoting it.

      By the way, quoting that tired old myth about Al Gore makes you sound just about as clever as if you had said "Micro$haft." Just letting you know.

  115. It makes you wonder by eyeareque · · Score: 0

    Was it illegal for WorldCom to lie about the percentage of traffic that hit their network? Obviously it is in a grey area, and being that WorldCom had a minor monopoly it was easy for them to do. Business is a dog eat dog world. It's interesting to see how creative businesses will get when they want to throw off their compeditors. It makes you stop and wonder if WorldCom gave out correct information how much money would have been saved by their compeditors, and who would not have gone bankrupt.

  116. In other words: by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    WorldCom would hook up new customers with connections capable of handling, say, up to 1.5 Mbit/s of data, knowing that for most of the time the lines would only carry a fraction of this amount. WorldCom would then use the 1.5 Mbit/s figures, not the actual traffic figures, when citing Internet traffic growth statistics.

    So they were like a water company talking about how much water you COULD use if you left your faucets open and sprinklers on 24/7, rather than how much you actually ran. (And if everybody else did, too. And if the city left all the fire hydrants open...)

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    1. Re:In other words: by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 1

      So they were like a water company talking about how much water you COULD use if you left your faucets open and sprinklers on 24/7, rather than how much you actually ran. (And if everybody else did, too. And if the city left all the fire hydrants open...)

      Sadly, it's worse. To take your analogy, it's as though a city measured how much water they actually used in June. Then when a new subdivision was plumbed in July, they did your method of calculating how much water COULD be used in that subdivision, and used those two numbers to calculate percentage growth for July.
      Then, even if no other construction was done that year, they multiplied the July growth "percentage" by 12 and called that the annual growth rate.

      As an aside, I think my new .sig will be:
      "/. slashed off my Rod" -- Ungrounded Lightning

  117. Odlyzko by Lucas+Membrane · · Score: 1

    He was a humongous mathematician. How'd he get to be an authority on internet growth? If Bud Selig can be Commissioner of Baseball, I guess that's ok, too, but Andy ought to have better things to do.

    1. Re:Odlyzko by khallow · · Score: 1

      He worked at Bell Labs for a while. I hear that Jeffrey Lagarias was a common partner in crime there. Don't know what other mathematicians were around. I just knew that from reading papers by the two guys.

  118. Just goes to show you... by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2

    Don't believe everything you read on the internet... Err, umm, except slashdot articles.

  119. Maybe the dotcommers weren't all nutcases. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    LightReading had a very well-researched article about this earlier in the week.

    And according to the article Worldcom was talking factor-of-10 per year, when in fact that was the right number for 1995 and 1996, but after that it was about factor-of-two per year. Still respectable, but nowhere NEAR Worldcom's numbers.

    So with a factor-of-5 per year shortfall (and assuming bandwidth and customer base are proportional) when the bubble finally burst in early 2000 the dotcommers had one potential customer for each 125 they were expecting.

    Having less than one percent of the market you thought you had can make the difference between a fantastic business plan and wastpaper.

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  120. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

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  121. what? by bob_jenkins · · Score: 2, Informative

    Internet traffic doubles every 100 days? I never heard that myth. They must have a bad marketing department.

  122. It's just Old-Fashioned Americanism by jazman_777 · · Score: 1

    Trying to get rich for doing nothin'. It's everywhere. Most people want a shot at doing that. So we're all suckers _and_ hucksters.

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  123. Re:Per-customer Basis by GigsVT · · Score: 1

    That would work, if everyone on your block was savvy, but how are you going to explain outages to your former friendly neighbors? It's a lot of responsibility and a lot of tension between people you have to live with.

    Something like a homeowner's association could probably pull it off, but if an individual takes ownership of it solely, they are basically running a business then, and that's a lot to take on.

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  124. I'm confused, who's the gullible fool again? by blueroo · · Score: 0

    A lone researcher cites vague research to blame WorldCom for dotcom bandwidth burst. Slashdot kids blindly believe the lone researcher with dodgy data and embark on rants about blindly believing what authorities say, using the WorldCom case as evidence.

    Yup, just another day on Slashdot.

  125. Business is all either lies or profits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All ideas should be treated as lies until they turn a sustainable profit. Not very practical, but probably accurate.

    Here's some examples of lies in the Computing industry (the only people who make money are the salesmen):

    Software Process
    ADA
    Smalltalk
    Object Oriented Programming
    C++
    Design Patterns
    Modeling Tools
    Java

    Counter examples are the contributions of Knuth and Brooks, for instance.

    In fact no abstraction makes a company profit (except the sellers of the abstraction.) Companies typically make money by implementing specifics. Abstractions *always* get in the way.

  126. One Million Homeless People! by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 1

    I don't think there are a million homeless people. Why? Because home is an state of mind. If a person makes a home for themselves on Lower Wacker Drive then they are certainly not homeless. This is just another liberal distortion. Liberals are so condscending that they would probably call all those who chose to make a home on the street homeless. (Yes, I did steal this from George Carlin.)

  127. nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  128. Re:Unbelievable (really?) by petrov · · Score: 1

    actually Moore originally predicted a 12 month doubling and then extended it to 18 month, and then (recently) extended it to 24 months.

    --sam

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  129. Multimedia! by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The big change in internet traffic, I would guess, is multimedia. It is probably now dominated by people downloading music and such on fast connections with other applications becoming small time. People may very well viewing twice as much html every 100 days but bandwidth shall from now on be music and movies. It shall soon be mostly just movies. The speed they roll out the DSL lines should have a huge effect.

  130. You funny man, Johnny Come Lately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you had gotten to the party earlier, you would have seen that the article about the guy getting busted for modding the Playstation originally said "Chip a PS/2, Go to Jail".

  131. Send Sidgemore to jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the counts against the thieves at Adelphia is that they infalted cable TV subscription numbers. Sounds like UUNet did the same thing. Make room in the cell for Bernie and John.

  132. The Daily Show by scot4875 · · Score: 1

    There are a small number of top-notch journalists, who really do objective well-rounded reporting. Unfortunately, it really is a small number of journalists.

    You know, I almost hate to admit it, but I probably get 90% of my news from the Daily Show. It may be funny, and delivered by comics, but for the most part they really are good reporters. There's generally not much spin on the stories, and Jon Stewart usually does a good job of exposing the crap that most media outlets pass off as "news."

    Of course, half of the episodes are always dedicated to morons who think they've seen bigfoot and the celebrity guest, but that 5 minutes of real reporting is pretty good.

    It's sort of sad that Comedy Central has one of the best news shows on TV...

    --Jeremy

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    1. Re:The Daily Show by pmz · · Score: 1

      It's sort of sad that Comedy Central has one of the best news shows on TV...

      Back when I had cable, I watched the Daily Show quite a bit. It really was an ingenious show, and they had good enough writers that it wasn't just jokes about poop and Bill Clinton.

      If CNN picks it up, lets hope they don't water it down too much like they did with Headline News. I had to stop watching Headline News when it became an Entertainment Tonight/75% Commercials hybrid recently.

  133. Re:75% of coke drinkers prefer taste of PEPSI! Fac by nelsonal · · Score: 1

    Back when sugar was the sweetener I recall some pepsi sponsored taste tests, and I was one of the few people who prefered Coke. Of course now I usually drink the off brands unless I mix, in which case Coke seems to mix better.

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  134. Re:Not to kizz the girlfriends azz .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    pad're but she got your balls in a box. Docs really and truely do suckx egoeggs yesterday today & tomorrow allday&night.

  135. Is there *any* reliable source? by Cosmo_Kramer · · Score: 1

    So what is the *real* growth rate of international internet traffic e.g. this year? Is there *any* somewhat reliable source at all? Does maybe the ITU track such things? I finally want the *real* numbers!

    Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions/links.
    CK

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  137. Why does no one say "fraud"? by caulds · · Score: 1

    Why does the news media seem so reluctant to use the word "fraud"? Is is fraud, isn't it? fraud (frôd) n. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.

  138. It did double every 100 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But then in 2001 - those people decide sitting in front of their computer looking at yahoo, amazon or slashdot is just too boring (because modem dial up is just too slow) - so they decide to visit bookstore, hang out at the mall, or get a tan at the beach rather than sitting in a dark room all day.

  139. Trust in authority by Old+Man+Kensey · · Score: 2
    f00zbll wrote:

    Why is it that people buy into BS when it comes out of the president or some CEO?

    It's the natural trust some people have for authority. In the US, most people seem to have a greater degree of distrust in the government (in Europe and the UK it seems the balance goes more the other way -- my English friends are regularly shocked that I not only fail to be surprised by, but often expect, the US government acting in a shady, unethical manner.)

    Another example of this is when people getting violently screwed by their Very Big Company employer assume that everything happening to them is legal, because "every company does it that way". A big, big example of this is salaried employees not getting paid overtime -- the onus is on the employer to prove you're exempt, and if they don't or can't, they are required to pay overtime. Even many HR folk seem to honestly be unaware of this rule of the game, and millions of salaried grunts are the losers.

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  140. Re:Tablespoon capacities by hmallett · · Score: 1

    BTW, Tbps can also stand for tablespoon, an English/Conventional unit of measure equal to about 16 mL

    Actually, according to Cadbury, a British standard tablespoon holds 17.7ml while the American tablespoon has a 14.2 ml capacity.

  141. From personal experience by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1
    More than 10% of all the blokes i've slept with have been homosexual. Are you going to claim that this is a biased sample?

    I think I need to do more research; my sample size has remained static for a long time :-/

    I wonder how US students will mod this :-)

  142. Double? Oh yeah ... by gfreeman · · Score: 1


    Twice as much pr0n, twice the quality, twice as fast.

    And every 100 days the single girl photos turn into girl-on-girl action.

    After three years you get panoramic video of orgies in DVD quality.

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  143. Capping Cable Modems by TibbonZero · · Score: 2

    They cap cable modems for good reasons. If you are speaking of a speed cap, it's so their pipe doesn't get hammered. Few people are going to give you a full OC-12 (which is probably what runs to your local node) to use as much as you want. The cable companies pay for bandwidth. It costs them money for ever mb that goes through the pipe to another network. If they have to expand so that every joe on the block can get a full 10mb (your cable modem has a 10mb connector on the back, so that's your 'max'), it would cost them a ton of money, perhaps in 1999 a company would have tried to take a loss and try something crazy like that, but not today.

    Some Cable companies put limit caps (10gb or so) on users to allow them to all have good speeds, and make sure that no one is running Warez servers out of their house. They have abuse coordinators that get calls from Adobe, MSFT, etc. all the time, saying that they found software available to all on someone's system. Then the abuse coordinator, normally just asks them to stop for first time offenders ( I think, it's not my job). Most people don't use more than 15gb/month on normal access. I used to use alot more, then I was hosting LAN parties all the time, and was actually downloading mp3s. I personally can't stand the way that mp3s sound over my speakers (which are very, very good), so I only like to listen to CDs or SACDs if I can get them. With 11 computers hooked up, I probably only use about 4-7 gb/month of traffic. Yes, sometimes I have used much more, but never more than 15gb/month. If you use a proxy server such as Squid or others, then you can cache some pages, and speed up a few things, and use a little less bandwidth. If you are seriously using more than 20gb/month of bandwidth, i AM pretty impressed. I mean you could be running a mirror of something out of your house, which would be cool, but you really should get a larger pipe to try something like that. Our cable company offers 4mb/2mb lines just for things like that with static IPs. I have seen some that offer over a 40mb direct fibre line to your door.

    Hey don't complain that they 'owe' you or something, let's just be thankful that we have broadband, I remember a few years ago the highest that most of us ever saw was an ISDN at work, and perhaps a T-1 at school (that was normally overworked).

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  144. Deutsche Telekom problems by Hershmire · · Score: 1

    Around this time DT became public, or less privatised is better to say. There was a huge public offering in Germany and almost everybody invested in it. These huge debts and the burst have sent the stock price plummeting with no sign of recovering soon. Lot's of people lost big money on this deal.

    But the cultural differences still shine through: Worldcom lies about demand, DT tries to find other sources of revenue.

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    1. Re:Deutsche Telekom problems by hughk · · Score: 2
      To be more precise, DT accounts don't tell any lies (at least according to German accounting law - but that doesn't say much). They wanted to divest before but were forbidden by the Government.

      The original allocation process had a lot more in common with the .coms with the major banks front-running the issue and playing games with the supply of shares to kite prices up.

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  145. That can't last forever. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2

    Moore's "law" is not such, it is an informed guesstimate.

    Also bear in mind that when density begins from a very low number exponential increase can be sustained for longer.

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  146. The first one is a fact. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2

    The other two aren't.

    So your point is?

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