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Red Hat Asks for UCITA Reversal

OSS advocate writes "According to this NewsForge article, Red Hat has engaged the services of Carol Kunze (ucitaonline.com) to try to convince the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws to take UCITA back. There's a list of email addresses in case you want to send the commish a letter yourself." Red Hat's letter is a good start.

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  1. Thank You by nickread · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thank you Redhat for not only helping yourself, but the open source community as a whole.

    As an established business, your views will hopefully make it more difficult for the commissioners to justify such laws.

  2. I'm still waiting for ANY response to this. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Dear Senators,

    I am not an electronics engineer (as per having a paper degree), however I
    do engineer electronics that could be said to be equal to someone who has
    such a degree. I am an inventor, a musician, a digital creator, an
    electronics tinker'r whatever you would like to call it, the name really
    doesn't matter as much as the intent. I take thoughts and create material
    objects, it doesn't take a degree to do what I am saying. I would also
    remind you I am a vetran of the United States Air Force as well as I am
    currently a voter (libertarian.) Without creative folks such as myself
    and others like Henry Ford, Thomas Jefferson, you wouldn't even have
    electricity, lights, computers, and cars.

    Statements like the following by the MPAA, "in order to help plug the hole,
    watermark detectors would be required in all devices that perform analog to
    digital conversions." are not very carefully thought out statements, they
    worry me, as to exactly what is going on in my government and here is why.

    At least four years ago, I was heavilly into building electronics, I was
    engineering a device that converted from analog to digital and from digital
    back to analog again. (It was basically a digital audio delay.) I started
    with parts from old electronics that people had thrown out on the street. I
    have spent many hours desoldering chips, and parts from electronics which
    were discarded in this fashion.

    I have a full personal library of technical manuals (several different
    years) from Motorola, Texas Instruments, Analog Devices, Supertech, Zillog,
    Intel, mosteck, National Semiconductor and MANY OTHERS. Basically I can
    look up part numbers from nearly any chip and figure out how it works and
    what I can use it for.

    Durring the course of events I decided one day I wanted to build a digital
    delay for my guitar. There were many D2A A2D chips to choose from, flash
    converters, etc the list is endless. I won't bore you. To make a long
    story short I decided to go with parts from Analog Devices for my A2D/D2A.

    I ended up buying some parts from Analog Devices specifically part ADJ569JN,
    and I used some memory that I had laying around from all the parts that I
    collected. I had to build a counter circuit to make the ram work in each
    memory segment for each sample. A fully blown electronics engineer I am
    not however such an engineer can easilly verify what I say to be true. So,
    basically the MPAA want's someone like me to add a watermark detector to
    my digital audio delay. Well first off I do not care about digital
    watermarking, that is not my problem, that was not part of my design, and
    to be forced to learn how to engineer this into my design is...well insane.
    And anyone who passes or suggests such laws is also...insane. So, before
    you quickly dismiss me off as some wacko, I would suggest that those who
    push such bills and legislation are the true wackos. Where I would rather
    be more concerned about removing digital noise from the output (all digital
    circuits have noise) and figuring out creative methods of how to modulate
    the clock circuit for different sound effects, they *MPAA* would have me
    spend my time working on how to put their watermark detector into my
    circuit. Frankly with the lack of information (I had to buy books from
    overseas to explain how to do digital to analog and analog to digital) that
    is available in the United States I would warn those who would decide to
    pass such legislation that a.) unless your ready to nuke our economy b.)
    ready to make the purchase of electronics illegal. c.) have the brightest
    engineers leave the United States d.) anger the public e.) ruin music
    f.) ruin creativity by the future youth who take electronics classes in
    schools g.) probably ruin your own political career then do not pass such
    insane legislation. It is _not_ your place to make such decisions in my
    opinion since you are _not_ qualified.

    If your so smart to pass such legislation, answer me this. How many memory
    segments will I need to use from my 8x8 ram to incorporate digital
    watermarking into my Digital Audio Delay Device? Which pins does it need
    to be connected to on the AD7569JN? What CHIP (which has the digital
    watermarking in it) do I have to buy? How much does it cost? Who is the
    maker of said chip? What is the part number on the chip? Is it compatable
    with my circuit? Does this chip have any digital noise associated with it
    which will bleed into my device? If so how do I supress such digital
    noise? If your not ready to answer these questions, then your not ready to
    pass this legislation.

    I know that most senators and lawyers are not electronics (digital and analog)
    experts so what qualifies them to pass law on a technology they do not fully
    understand? Furthermore it comes to my attention that other bills like
    the SSSCA which have had their name changed over and over, are insane,
    poorly thought through, placing the burdon on the wrong folks to solve the
    problem.

    It also seems to me there are already laws against piracy, so no further
    laws are needed. Another thing that upsets me is how these bills slip
    through without even consulting the public, or letting someone like me
    vote, in many cases government websites are broken and feedback forms
    do not work, other times phones are busy, and nobody is around to answer
    them, and some political candidates have NO EMAIL ADDRESS! this is
    unacceptable. Forcing me to physically stand face to face in order to
    get my point across is bad. Forcing me to make political contributions
    for legislation is also bad.

    Although I am no longer designing electronics at this current point in time
    I may want to again. And I know that others like myself in the future will
    become interested in Transmitters, Receivers, Digital and Analog
    electronics, what in effect you are doing is pushing a new electronics
    law (A very stupid law) into the natural laws of electronics. Especially
    the young should be encouraged to get into electronics design early on in
    their lives. It keeps them out of trouble and away from drugs and alchohol.

    Another thing that frankly angers me is by passing the CBDTPA act you are
    condemning me for using Linux, which is an operating system that does what
    I want. You would be making the personal computer into some bastardised
    piece of equipment that plays mickey mouse videos, when I do not even want
    that on my computer at all. I use my computer to write code. In some
    cases the code can do the exact same thing my earlier discussion on the
    AD7569JN does. I do not want my resources being used by the media.
    I want my resources being used for what I purchased them for. And that
    is development. CBDTPA stifles development. It sacrifices the IT sector,
    at the expense of the MPAA.

    I do not pretend to have the money that the MPAA has. However is is
    unfair to destroy education about electronics and dumb down america.

    Which is, despite all, the BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!

    I may not live long enough to get back into electronics design again, but
    PLEASE DONT ruin the future because of a damned mouse.

    Thank you for reading my comments.

  3. It's bad for all consumers! by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 3, Interesting

    UCITA is bad for users of Free Software, but it's also bad for users of proprietary software. It lends validity to the concept of a shrink-wrap license, which means the software vendor can impose pretty much arbitrary restrictions on the use of a software package. Suddenly all those EULAs become legally binding contracts. All it would take to restrict your rights as a customer is a list of terms. It's way too easy.

    Just imagine restrictions on the number of people allowed to use a software program, or website terms stipulating that whatever you write becomes the property of the company behind the website. Such terms are not unheard of, and UCITA would turn these and many others into binding restrictions.

    --
    "In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
  4. clarification by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I said UCITA is "bad for users of Free Software" when I really meant to say that it's bad for Free Software in general (the FSF has a good explanation of it).

    Having said that, UCITA is indeed bad for users of Free Software. When Free Software authors are held liable for defects while software companies are allowed to disclaim liability (exactly the opposite of the way it should be!), both the developers and users of Free Software suffer. When proprietary vendors are allowed to create closed and legally inaccessible file formats, the developers and users of Free Software suffer greatly.

    UCITA is an immense threat to anybody who is not a big corporation.

    --
    "In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
  5. KISS Rule by N8F8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    IMHO the letter doesn't hit the mark. Since UCITA and intellectual property rights are so difficult in the first place the letter should be short, to the point and easily understandable. Not to mention that the conference is in FOUR DAYS. maybe a little late to sway opinions.

    example:

    TO: NCCUSL Commissioners
    FROM: Joe Blow
    RE: Discussion of UCITA on July 29, 2002 at NCCUSL Annual Conference

    I am an Open Source software developer who is very concerned about the adoption of UCITA. UCITA seeks to unfairly tilt the time-tested balance in commercial law between the needs of businesses and consumers. Commercial law has weathered the test of time very well. With the advent on the computer era many special interrest groups have sucessfully lobbied to gain "special" rights for businesses that tilt the balance of Consumer Rights.

    blah blah Open Source is....

    blah blah here are the specific parts if UCITA that hard individuals rights and Open source business models...
    --
    "God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
  6. But WHY is UCITA contrary to Open Source? by JeffMings · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have read the articles here and on several other sites, and I've read many Infoworld articles over the past few years on UCITA, and I _still_ don't see how it is damaging to Open Source. As pointed out earlier, this page seeks to address the concerns of Open Source advocates, and does a good job of such. I have understood the dangers of large proprietary corps like M$ being able to turn software off and abuse consumers in other ways, but I have not been able to find a single credible reference to how UCITA will hurt Linux developers or users. Can someone post a rational and clear explanation using traceable references to UCITA language that demonstrates the potential for harm? I'm certain that many others would also appreciate clarification.
    Thanks

  7. Question about my own code by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I have a product that isn't open source but given away for free. You have the executables, you can copy it and give to your friends - you just don't have the source. In short, it's a free beer application rather than free speech.

    Now, I used a EULA (if you like) on my installer to disclaim responsibility if the program breaks and other various stuff.

    Now, as I see it (and please correct me if i'm wrong) the UCITA would benifit me because my disclaimers would be legally enforcable. If the UCITA went away, then I would be stuck in a rather tricky situation where I could be held liable for all the stuff that my licence disclaims.

    Or am I wrong? Can someone please explain how the UCITA would appect the hobbyiest programmer like myself that doesn't use the GPL (and hence doesn't distribute source).

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  8. Re:Lobby group needed. by jonwil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    AOL is the last company that should be involved in anything like this.
    AOL = AOL/TW
    AOL/TW owns several members of the MPAA & RIAA (who are the enemy with laws like SSSCA and DMCA)
    I cant think of too many cases where AOL has been friendly to open source. Mozilla didnt come from AOL, it came from netscape.

    Basicly, anyone involved in open source could be involved with this Open Source Association Of America. For example: Red Hat, IBM, SuSe, FSF, OSDN (including sourceforge), mozilla.org, Apache people and others. Such a society could provide assistance, lobbying and stuff with regards to cases where a Big Company is doing stuff thats anti-open source (such as M$ suing someone for figuring out the windows media file formats or blizzard (aka Vivendi Universal) suing someone for figuring out the Battle.Net protocols.)
    We need to lobby for laws that protect open source. And also for laws that make reverse engineering 100% legal. Reverse engineering is important to enable Open Source projects to interact with Closed file formats and protocols. Too many companies are using closed file formats, protocols etc to keep open source alternatives out. This practice has been going on since the days of Richard M Stallman and the famous "Laser Printer" incident and it needs to be stopped now.