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A Slashdot reader writes "LinuxWorld is running a story explaining how Mac OS X may help break down the walls for non-Windows operating systems, including Linux."
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Up until OS X was released I used Linux (on my G3 and on various intel boxes) nearly exclusivly. OS X (after its quirks were mostly worked out), for me, is acting just like a Unix system. I control most things from its terminal. I run XDarwin and use blackbox as my primary control when I am writing code. I use the standard Aqua interface when I'm just being a bum and surfing. Its a web server, file server and just about any other kind of server I can get running.
So now my time is spent working with both OS X/BSD and Linux and im loving every minute of it. Im forced to use Win 2K at work - but hells if I am ever gonna buy a windows box of my own.
OK - the point: (I knew I was getting there) OS X is a great way to get people to migrate into a Unix world. The Apple servers are selling well, and its adding a great deal of Unix exposure...
I disagree. Switching to Mac would be painless for almost all users. This has nothing to do with anyone who runs Linux.
For the *average user*:
You can still read and write your Microsoft Office documents.
You can still play your MP3 files.
You can still go to all the same websites with your Internet Explorer.
Those three things alone make it easy for the average user to switch from Windows to Mac.
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I recently got a G3 mac for free from someone who no longer wanted it. I had never used a mac before and I was kind of curious how they worked. It had MacOS X on it, including the developer tools which include command line tools all Linux developers are used to. After a few minutes of playing around with the interface I was hooked. Everything is so clear and tidy. The Unix core is not hidden away, but it never gets in the way. Real hackers have everything they need, but in an interface that makes the interaction with this Unix power elegant. Now I have the mac I am porting my softwre to support it as well as Windows and Linux. It is a pleasure to develop in, and I am really glad I found it. Give it a go.
Have you sat down and spent some time with OS X? There is a lot of quality Mac-only software out there. Plus the fact that it now has UNIX underpinnings means there's a whole lot of native UNIX software for it too (you can run OS X and X at the same time). Mac OS X provides a true UNIX environment with an excellent development platform and graphical shell. It is also arguably the best user interface for a desktop. That plus the vast amount of quality Mac-only software gives plenty of reason to switch. For the record, I use a Mac at work, and a PC running Debian and XP at home. I am very tempted to buy a Mac as my next computer.
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It isn't about destroying Microsoft! Think about it; we destroy Microsoft and replace them with Apple. Another closed system! Why is that of any benefit to us, as users and developers? All we will have done is swapped the "Microsoft Tax" and all that comes with it, for an "Apple Tax", and the same all over again (See .mac Say no more).
If you're just using Linux, or BSD or whatever, just because you want to destroy Microsoft, many you should re-evalute your belief system. Free Software is about having freedom; the freedom to use your software as you see fit, and the freedom to modify that software to fit your needs. Its not about destroying commericalism, simply because you think they have too much money.
Yes, Microsoft have too much control over the industry, but thats only because the industry has allowed itself to be lead by the nose by them. It is true that Free software provides an alternative to that, and get out clause if you will, and yes, that may altimutly lead to the reduction of Microsoft. That would simply be a secondary, a side effect, if you will.
So yes, take a Macintosh user out to lunch; and then try to get them to understand the issues surrounding the use of Free software.
I wish the KDE and Gnome developers would take OS X as a hint on the golden rule to provide a usable UI: Less is more.
Don't spam the user with options, dialogs, shortcuts and themes. Keep it simple, straightforward and consistent. OS X doesn't even allow you to change the default UI fonts or colours, since it is not necessary at all. Just throw away everything that is not essential, and focus on core functionality instead of gimmicks.
I see a small percentage of Xserve's making it into shops that already have Unix servers or a substantial base of Mac workstations. I don't see Apple making much headway into 100% Windows shops run by MCSE's.
People that have/allow Unix or Linux boxes in thier shops generally are more open to a wide range of technologies and have a good understanding of them.
MCSE's - oy vey. I've seen Macs running on their own separate networks because "they can't do Windows networking" or "Macs can't do DHCP" or "Macs can't ". Hell, there probably isn't a Mac user out there that hasn't heard "I hate Macs". Then you ask if they've ever used one and you get "No." Basically, if they don't know whether or not a Mac can do something or not, it's assumed they can't.
Unix sysadmins seem more open to other technology and generally better knowing how things like networks really function. MCSE's, on the other hand, know what button to push when happens and if that doesn't work, reboot. They don't really have a deep understanding of the underlying technology and generally don't keep up with computing trends. They know how to run a Windows network and "what else do I need to know, thank you" attitude.
Because of MCSE's, I just don't see Apple making inroads into the corporate server room anytime soon.
almost all users? Almost all windows users wouldn't know how to transfer their mp3 collection, office documents, favorite sites, etc, etc without a cd burner.
Which is why Apple published this handy ``How to Switch to a Mac'' page. Of course, it necessarily has to gloss over burning CDs on the PC, because there are so damn many different ways to do it. All Apple can do is say, ``Read the instructions that came with your PC.''
Of course, if you don't want to use CDs, you can just share your hard drive on your PC and mount it from your Mac over AirPort. Macs and PCs interoperate flawlessly over AirPort, and Mac OS X mounts Windows shares over the network without any third-party software required.
Don't have AirPort? Run an Ethernet cable between PC and Mac (either straight or crossover; the PC probably cares, but the Mac doesn't) and mount your PC's drive that way.
Don't have AirPort or Ethernet or a CD burner? I hear a lot of PCs, for reasons that are beyond me, still don't ship with any of those built in. Amazing! Well, in that case, you can buy or borrow an external FireWire hard drive to move your files over. Initialize it on the PC, copy your files to it, then just plug it right in to your Mac. Poof.
Oh, wait. Your PC probably doesn't have FireWire. That's okay. A USB drive will work just as well, but be prepared to wait a really long time.
Sounds to me like there are plenty of easy ways to move your files to the Mac. And I haven't even mentioned Move2Mac yet. I haven't seen it myself, but it's supposed to take the pain out of getting all your stuff out of the various Windows nooks and crannies and over to your new Mac.
That's kind of the Mac philosophy in a nutshell, with apologies to Larry Wall: there's more than one way to do it, and one of those ways is to just pay somebody else to do it for you.
As for me, is there any program to load a list of music videos? I use media player b/c I can make a playlist of my 600+ music video collection.
So use Windows Media Player for Mac OS X. I haven't used it myself, so I can't say whether it has the specific feature you want, but if that's what you're comfortable with, it's just a download away.
A single button mac mouse is reason enough to avoid macs in general, at least for now.
Which is, of course, no reason at all. This has been beaten to death already, but you can buy any number of mult-button mice for your Mac, even straight from the Apple Store.
As much as I like linux, this proves next to nothing. Linux's 'lack' of user friendliness is not a matter of technology, it is a matter of politics.
The technology is fine and no one will dispute that. You can build a nice gui over top of any sufficiently good core, which almost all modern OS's offer now. For example, XP's core is the evolution from the NT core, which was heavily inspired by VMS. You can see in the taskmanager particularly signs of the VMS underpinings underneath. VMS by itself is quite similar to Unix systems, so XP itself demonstrates that the UI on top makes the usability difference, and the solid core only helps (by delivering good performance with high stability).
The difference between Mac/Windows and Linux is that a single entity controls the system from top to bottom. Any disagreements as to how to do it are settled inside the company and a single offering is made to the public that is highly integrated, where each part knows *exactly* what to find where when it needs something. For a small example, an application installing on Mac or Win knows exactly how to register itself to show icons and menus in the right spots, whereas in linux, it isn't clear cut. You can probably manage to show up in Gnome and KDE, but there are other options. I love the breadth of choice and how I can pick and choose my favorite component for everything, but it does prevent offering a unified interface to home users.
Also, they distribute easy-to-install binaries. This relates to the previous point in that they *can* do this and not run into any wildly devating configuration that won't run that particular version (i.e. kernel/gcc/glibc versions differ a lot in the linux world). This is also because they don't have the free source ideology as a driving force. Sure, Darwin is open, but it is more of a side note, and what comes out of apple (with MacOSX) is tightly controlled. Source is easy for me to install, but it can take a long time and some people think it difficult. They could care less about the philosohy of Free software, they just want stuff to work easy and quickly.
Finally, these systems don't try to fit into an existing standard. I'm of course referring mainly to ditching X. X is a great and powerful/flexible system. I love X, but current implementations lack a lot of things XP and OSX have in terms of colorspace handling and access to hardware functions. Two clear things that come to mind are true alpha transparency (not copy and blend as all the translucency under X is) and the ability to change resolution and color depth on the fly without the 'slippery desktop'. Sure, extensions could be written to patch over this stuff, but it was more efficient to simply write a new low level graphics system and let X lie on top of it if needed. This is the way to go, it works well with Windows (Exceed) as well as MacOSX(XDarwin). You optionally get all the power of X without the limitations underneath. For linux users and developers, X is 'good enough' and there is no dominating business authority to force developers to do something more advanced.
Linux remains my preferred platform, though I want to try OSX. I like having choices and am a good enough admin to not care about the roughness around the edges, but for a common user to be satisfied, it needs to be consistant no matter where they may go..
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I've been a Mac user since 1984. I worked at Apple for a while in the 90s, but then I got a better paying job at IBM. I have worked at IBM since then, almost exclusively with UNIX and Windows. It's strange to see the reactions of other IBMers when they learn that I'm a Mac user. Even the die-hard UNIX guys and open-source fans are often prejudiced against the Mac. This is ironic, especially given that Macs compete more with Windows boxes than with IBM boxes. That said, I do see that people at IBM are beginning to take Mac OS X seriously. IBM makes a lot of money from its software and services businesses -- more than from its hardware business. The software can be easily ported to Mac OS X, and services are profitable no matter what OS the customer is running. Unfortunately, thare still a lot of people at IBM who haven't figured this out. Maybe discussions like this one will help to change that.
Let me know when when you want to go. And no cheap stuff; I'm a Mac user, I have expensive tastes... ;-)
what part of osx is open source ?
This part is open source.
if it's open source then why isn't it free ?
It is free.
Apple's commercial said that if you bring your PC in (to an apple store), they will transfer the files to your new Mac for free.
I want my rights back. I was actually using them when our government stole them after 9/11.
Point is, earlier this year - after reading a bunch or articles about how great the new Mac OS is - I decided to go check the Mac out. Let me just say, I was very impressed. I recently replaced my Linux development box with a TiBook. The Aqua user interface is incredibly intuitive, easy on the eyes, and has support for many things that a desktop linux system just doesn't, IMHO.
Anyway, I still use Linux boxes for our servers but I have found the Mac to be the best development environment I've ever used. The UI might take a few days to get comfortable with (coming from the KDE/Gnome or Windows platform), but once you use it for bit, you really start to appreciate it's consistency and beauty.
That said, my interest has been peaked by the new Xserve. Like I said, I do a lot of Java development and the JVM implementation on OS X is nothing short of amazing. Java Swing apps look native and don't feel over-bloated and the speed and efficiency of the JVM for non-UI tasks is also astounding.
The pure java application that I am currently working on runs faster on my TiBook than on the Linux server on which I am also testing it. The process overhead and cpu usage for completing the same tasks are relatively lower on the Mac meaning I can run many more processes at once on the Mac. This is leading me to the conclusion that getting my hands on an Xserve might not be a bad idea before I go ahead and deploy on a Linux box.
I think everyone else should take a serious look at the Xserve as well.
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Apple started out with the Apple I. It only sold to hobbyists, a small market. Apple learned.
They quickly moved on to the Apple II on the 6052. That grew the company sereval times. Apple learned.
The less said about the Apple III hardware the better. There were lots of manufacturing problems. Apple learned.
Then came the Lisa. There were lots of marketing problems. Apple learned.
The Mac started as a cute, slightly runky-dink 680x0 machine. They tossed out compatibility. Cost them their entire existing software base. Apple learned.
The original Mac lap-top was an embarrassment. Apple learned.
Then Apple became the leading manufacturer of RISC machines in the world when they went to the 60x hardware architecture. This was accomplished without repeating the previous mistakes. (What Apple learned was purely internal politics that time.)
NeXT failed as a hardware manufacturer but it had great software. It was the NeXTStep... Jobs came back and Apple learned.
Apple did the iMac because Apple had learned: Ugly, beige is boring "office-ware."
Apple did the PowerPC, the colored iBook, the Titanium and the white iBook because Apple had learned.
Apple did the sexy, "fold-out completely open" towers because Apple had learned: Hard to maintain is, uh, hard to maintain.
Apple went to OS X. It could even attempt this because it had SUCCESSFULLY migrated CPU hardware platforms before. It had SUCCESSFULLY migrated form factors (Mac, desk-top, towers, laptop.)
Look at the Newton. Carefully. With time-lines, feature-lists, internal structures and compared with what else was out there and what spun off.
Apple has survived more changes, flops, failures, created more products that are a delight to use, been imitated by more companies regardless of industry, than almost any other company I can think of BECAUSE it DOESN'T listen to its customers UNTIL they start saying "No We don't buy it." (*)
It will soon have shiped more BSD/Darwin (OpenSource) RISC (G3/G4[/G5 soon?]) boxes than the sum total of Unix/Linux boxen out there.
This is a GOOD THING.
Will Apple grow to dominate the desk top?
Get a grip. It doesn't even want to go there.
That may be where the money WAS but growth is flat, the competition is outrageous, Linux is already there, its darn near (as in beer,) carving out its own space and has an enormous developper base.
The OS wars are OVER. Unix is going to win hands down.
Linux runs on EVERYTHING!
Unix is used for every serious, mission critical system.
OS X is locking up the creative market place.
Windows has NEVER migrated to ANY other platform than the x86. Its not for want of trying. They have already failed at it.
The new PC chip architectures (Intel/HPs & AMDs) are already Linux playgrounds. The chip makers are tired of the x86 architecture and want to get on to the next stage. But windows is holding them back.
Windows is extremely vulnerable to security breaches and even more vulnerable to the processing requirements of biometric security data.
The changes M$ themselves are fostering (DRM, and securing their sieve-like OS) are going to be their undoing. Entire countries are rebelling at having to get on and stay on the upgrade tread-mill. The day Linux becomes "good enough" (and OpenOffice is almost there,) M$ sales will start a downward curve faster than the supporting economy.
Remember. Desktop machines are OVERHEAD. Reducing overhead is how M$ got to be where it is today. Its how Linux will get to where its going. Its been happening time and time again. (Read "The Innovator's Dilemma.")
*) That is one thing Jobs and Linus share: The ability to say, "Lets do this because its cool (least I think so!)" And then tweak, fiddle and put in the hours fixing things until they damn well work. If they don't... "Well lets see what we can learn from this."
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Her: "It so cute!"
Me: "Yeah, but you're used to Linux, and I'm not sure if you'd like a Mac."
Her: "I know, but it's so cute!"
Me: "But you only get one mouse button!"
Her: "It's just too darn cute!"
The iMac commercial where the guy sticks out his tongue and the machine ejects its CD tray clinched the deal - we were bound to get an Apple. Last weekend we finally decided to make a short roadtrip (120 miles to the local dealer) to get her new machine.
I have to admit, Apple did it right. Samba was easy to set up (I haven't bothered with NFS yet, but it's supposed to be equally slick) so she has access to her old Linux home directory, her old email, the MP3/Ogg directory, etc. The interface is just plain beautiful, and I was quite happy to open that terminal window and start playing with sudo. Last night, she just downloaded and installed software by herself for the first time ever ("Hey, that was pretty easy!"), which was something that she was never really interested in on Debian.
Would I personally switch to Mac OS X? Probably not - I'm a big Free Software advocate. Still, her little iMac is the nicest-looking Unix workstation I've ever seen, my wife loves it and its ease of operation, and it took less time to integrate into our LAN than it's taking me to type this. I'm impressed. Congratulations, Apple. You made a Unix workstation that non-geeks can fall in love with.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
OSX is the proof that all those people screaming that Linux on Joe Average's desktop is impossible are wrong.
Absolutely not. It has nothing to do about the technology and everything to do with the company, or lack thereof. Programming is only a fraction of software development, and the Open Source community is made up of mainly programmers and software testers.
OSX is proof that a proper balance of both Open Source and Proprietary software is required to make a good consumer OS. While Linux has spent years trying to get it right, Apple got it right in a short period of time. Apple has invested millions in market research, usability studies, product design, and more. They would not profit off of this investment had this all gone open source. However, what they did do is base the core OS on the OSS model. This makes sense as there is less room for proprietary innovation, and more room for community investment. It's this balance that allowed OS X to create the first successful Unix on the Desktop.
There is no longer anything that can be done with computers that is nontrivial and clearly legal. -- Paul Phillips