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Perens Backs Down from DMCA Violation

liquidsin writes "According to this article by Dan Gillmor, Bruce Perens has backed out of his plan to demonstrate how to modify a DVD player to break region coding (and openly violate the DMCA as well) due to pressure from his employer, Hewlett Packard. I wish HP had given him their blessing on this, but I guess they have to worry about shareholders first..." See our previous story for Perens' plans.

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  1. You want HP to do what? by shlong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I wish HP had given him their blessing on this, but I guess they have to worry about shareholders first..."

    Written by someone who does not seem to be employed in the corporate world. How can you possibly expect any company to openly endorse a law-breaking event? Sheesh!

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    1. Re:You want HP to do what? by liquidsin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, I guess you're right. We wouldn't want a large corporation to stand up for what's right as opposed to what the U.S. government mandates. If he had intended to give his demonstration in any other country in the world it would have gone unnoticed, but due to corporate interest in the U.S., an overly-broad law was passed that serves no purpose other than to infringe on the rights of consumers (we're not citizens anymore, we're consumers). So, yeah, I would love to see a company like HP stand up for the rights of the people who got them to where they are today. Unfortunately it'll never happen. Oh, and by the way, I am employed in the corporate world, and you missed my point anyways. They could have just as easily stood idly by and watched. I'm quite sure that if I did something illegal on my own time, my corporate masters wouldn't get dragged into court for it. What he does on his own time has nothing to do with his job. All that would be required of HP in court is to say he had the day off.

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    2. Re:You want HP to do what? by shlong · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Was anybody asking for HP's open endorsement? Perens was going to be doing this as an individual on his own time, not as a representative of HP. Couldn't the company simply have abstained from involvement?

      Good point. However, you tend to loose your anonymity when you are high-profile. Whether Bruce Perens was going to do this on his own time and own dime isn't really relevant, because people will still say, "That's Bruce Perens of Linux and HP fame." I can imagine some high-level exec, maybe even Ms. Fiorina, getting a call about it the next morning from someone saying, "Do you know what your employee did yesterday?" Innevitably, HP would take heat for it. It's the consequence of being high-profile. I'm sure that Linux Torvalds, Alan Cox, etc, all share that burden too.

      And yes, the original submitter was asking for HP's endorsement.

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  2. Re:HOWTO: Civil Disobedience by Manitcor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It just so happens that the authority that told him not too also pays his bills.

    Funny how prison may not seem so bad (espically to those that dont think they will go or have never been) but when you threaten someones livelyhood ideas can change quick.

    Im sure the conversation went something to the effect that if he gives his presentation that he will not work for any major computer company again. In this economy the last thing a tech worker needs is to be black listed.

    Though I wish he would go through with it I can understand his motivations not to. Im sure hes not happy about the whole situation either.

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  3. DMCA inhibits free speech again by alienmole · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is an excellent example of how the DMCA can have a chilling effect on free speech without even having to be tested in court. People often focus on the law itself as the threat, but as much of a threat can be how companies and individuals behave in response to the law - self-policing can sometimes be the worst kind.

  4. Too bad by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's too bad. I was hoping that his demonstration would show the DVD industry how lame their little region scheme is, and how easy(?) it is to circumvent. If they want to continue using the region system they should consider making some DVDs region free, like the DVDs mentioned in the original article (Gladiator was one of them I believe) and other popular ones.

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  5. Just breaking the law is pretty pointless by jguthrie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Frankly, I can't see the point of just breaking the law in public. In my opinion, a better course of action would be to set up the conditions for a test case that could be won in the courts. That will likely require some public lawbreaking, but will also require there be something about the lawbreaking that demonstrates how the law in question isn't reasonable. Simply showing how easy it is to violate said law isn't going to do that.

    1. Re:Just breaking the law is pretty pointless by Sway · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not only does it seem like a poor demonstration, but I find it a little disturbing so many people seem to think it's a good idea. Let's step back and not use Bruce's name or refence the DMCA law he was planning to violate. Let's just say so-and-so was planning to break the law in public. Is that really a good thing? Is that really something you want to cheer for? It certainly seems like misdirected frustration.

      *shrug* maybe it's just me :)

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  6. HP has nothing to worry about. by tato+(and+tato+only) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The last thing that the entertainment cartel wants to do is to force a large, respectable corporation with deep pockets into a position of having to defend itself against a DCMA violation. A well-funded legal effort by a respectable defendant could possibly result in the DCMA being found unconstitutional. The entertainment cartel will continue to hand-pick its legal challenges to be sure they do not take on any they might lose.

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  7. Re:HOWTO: Civil Disobedience by gallen1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know the details of his relationship with HP but it might be better to say: An authority with whom he has a mutually beneficial relationship based on mutual respect asked him not to put them at risk.

    Since, according to the article, HP is funding his other free software projects this could also be viewed as a request not to bite the hand that feeds him.

    This article also says that HP 'asked him' not to give the presentation. Quite differnt from "don't do that"

  8. Re:HOWTO: Civil Disobedience by thales · · Score: 5, Insightful
    NOT performing a action that could cause damage to an inocent third party that has aided him says a lot about his convictions.

    Your snide insinuation also says a lot about your convictions

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  9. Re:HOWTO: Civil Disobedience by ichimunki · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't see how HP can "blacklist" him. That would point to major collusion among computer manufacturers bordering if not overstepping the bounds of legality altogether.

    However, the discussion probably went more like "We're going to fire you even if you take this on and don't get thrown in jail, because we'd rather not be associated with such things-- it hurts our credibility with Congress and industry groups to have prominent employees flouting the law."

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  10. I don't think it's the DMCA specifically here by Vicegrip · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem here, as has been meentionned in other posts, is that Perens is at this conference as a representative of HP. As such, HP could be held liable for whatever "illegal" acts he does at this conference.

    It's not a function of the DMCA, it is the way general liability is construed to function by the courts in the USA. Otherwise put, you'll be hard pressed to find *any* company terribly eager to sponsor you directly or indirectly for your civil disobedience. When you're on somebody else's coin, they have a big say on what you do.

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  11. Re:It was a dumb idea anyway by martyn+s · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Besides the fact that it's perfectly legal to modify your cassette player, if you could figure out how, to play CDs. That's the real crux of the issue.

  12. WHY should DMCA protect region coding at all? by Wolfier · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought a copyright act should only protect copyright, or in the case of DMCA, methods to protect copyright!!

    Region coding has nothing to do with "copyright" at all, just a lame money grabbing scheme!! Why should the DMCA protect it?

    The word in the law is "protect access to copyrighted works".

    What "Access"? So if a publisher put glues on the CD cover so it sticks to your hand, is washing the glue off and throwing it away a circumvention and thus breaks the law?

    This "Access" thing has to be more unambigously defined! It should REALLY be changed to "protect reproduction access to copyrighted works"!! What's so hard to understand? Let's make a case to change the word in the law!

  13. Re:HOWTO: Civil Disobedience by JabberWokky · · Score: 4, Insightful
    we'd rather not be associated with such things-- it hurts our credibility with Congress and industry groups to have prominent employees flouting the law.

    Which is a perfectly respectable position. Fighting law on moral grounds needs to be done two ways - the disobediants and the inside the system. Otherwise, you have either no visibility or no hope of change no matter how outrageous your acts are. One of the best dual systems in tech is 2600 and the EFF. Outside tech, you have multiple examples of activists and the ACLU.

    As important as the activists might be, every Hoffman needs his Lefcourt. The media makes up the third end of the tripod of change, whether it be big media, or just plain word of mouth.

    If you think the less of Bruce for this, I'm sure he would let you get up on stage and do it yourself. Are you willing to go to jail and spend the next year in court for your convictions?

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  14. Re:HOWTO: Civil Disobedience by ryanvm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, it wasn't a government authority, it was a capitalist one. Which I suppose says more about his convictions than we'd like to know.

    Oh bullshit. That's easy for you to say while you sit around on an obscure web forum and anonymously denounce "the Man". Let's see you risk your personal freedom and familiy's well-being so that geeks everywhere can download free music.

    I think the DMCA is a dangerous law too, but I don't have the balls to publicly (and illegally) flout it. And since you don't either, you should probably keep the snide comments to yourself.

  15. Re:where is Bruce today? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I was at OSCON giving my talk. And then in an airplane back to Oakland. What did you think?

    Bruce

  16. Re:No, that's the whole problem by unitron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nowadays shareholders own companies about like people own commercial software. You bought it, but someone else controls it.

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