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Ziff Davis Teeters

Longtime Reader writes: "It is a short article with links all over the place, but Linux and Main is running a story that says Ziff Davis might file for bankruptcy this week. The company plans to stay in business by expanding its focus on computer games, the story says." To get you started, reader idiotnot contributes this link to coverage in the NYT.

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  1. I remember the days... by qurob · · Score: 4, Funny


    When ZD published PC Magazine, you could read Machrone and Dvoraks ramblings, read a round up of 50-60 PC's on the market, and there was a real tech section.

    Computer Shopper, the 'Hard Edge' with Bill and Alice, PAGES UPON PAGES OF ADS....

    The Internet has ruined magazines.

  2. Forget it by dnoyeb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nobody will accept Ziff Davis doing games. At least nobody will be willing to accept that they are impartial. Considering how many of "our own" seem to be bought, Ziff Davis would give the impression that they are pre-bought and just waiting to close the deals.

    Personally, though they seem an amazing resource, I only use their website when I encounter software thats not popularly reviewed such as obscure mp3 creation or audio ripping programs, and scanner programs, and web site creation software that I have never heard of. Best they stick to what they do but focus their attention at serving their customer base and not catering to the OEMs. Cultivate a relationship with groups like slashdot, anandtech, HardOCP, etc...

    1. Re:Forget it by Zathrus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody will accept Ziff Davis doing games.

      Except for the few million people that already do through subscriptions or rack purchases of "Official US Playstation Magazine", "Xbox Nation", "Electronic Gaming Monthly", "GameNow", or "Computer Gaming World".

      At least nobody will be willing to accept that they are impartial.

      Anyone that accepts that any game rag is impartial is fooling themself.

  3. about time... by f00zbll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate to see people loose their jobs, but zdnet and pcmag have been useless for over 5 years now. PCMag in particular stop reporting back in 95 and only rehashed PR junk. It is time for new crop of magazines to take the place of all the dead weight in the tech reporting industry. Zd used to have solid in depth articles that were fairly objective. But soon after win95 came out, that all changed. Of course these are my own biased opinions, but I know other techies share similar perspectives.

  4. In other news by af_robot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft suddenly decided to cut their advertising budget by 70%.

  5. Good riddance! by hlh_nospam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I clearly remember ZD as one of the pioneers of misleading mail-order campaigns. They sent a renewal notice that was designed to look like an IRS notice. That was over 10 years ago, and I immediately cancelled the remainder of my PC Magazine subscription, and have avoided dealing with them ever since. As they took over other magazines that I subscribed to, I let those subscriptions lapse. That was partially because I disliked ZD's behavior, and partially because the computer magazines were gradually becoming a waste of time anyway.

    I try to avoid dealing with companies that use unethical advertising. Latest example that comes to mind is VeriSign.

  6. Interesting Numbers by Thomas+M+Hughes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Sorting through the NY Times Article here were some interesting tid-bits I picked up.

    * Willis Stein & Partners paid $780 million for the company during the bull market.

    * The company's earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization are projected to be $6.5 million in 2002

    Translation: At the current rate of profit, it will take over a hundred years to make up the initial investment. Ouch.

    * (Earnings) are expected to rise to $34.4 million in 2003 if the restructuring goes as planned.

    * Savings will be gained from the closing of money-losing magazines and the layoff of 700 of the company's 1,150 employees the last year.

    Translation: We plan on making close to six times as much money as we were before, primarily by firing over 70% of our workforce, cutting our costs drastically.

    Now, here's what bothers me to some extent, and by no means do you have to agree with me on this issue. But according to those numbers, this company is profitable. Granted, its not profitable enough to justify the high price it was bought back in April of 2000, but its in the positive, and appears to be staying there for awhile. However, it seems that being profitable isn't good enough these days. Not only does a company have to be profitable, but it doesn't appear to have any room to do anything that is 'extra-profitable', that is, things that are not done solely for profit.

    For example, the article makes mention that the company in question had discontinued its Yahoo! Internet Life Magazina, which had a distribution of over a million. So clearly, some people liked the product. However, it wasn't discontinued due to declining interest, but rather because the number of ad pages had decreased by 50% over the past 2 years. My translation: "If you aren't in a good demographic, you don't get anything published for you."

    That's not to say that ZD is under any obligation to operate at a loss for the benefit of the masses. My issue is that ZD is not operating at a loss, but they still plan on putting 700 people out of work, and discontinuing publications that have readership. If there ever was a place where the mythical 'invisible hand' of the market were giving lots of people the finger to enrich the few, this were it. After all, the only people who have to gain from this restructuring are the share holders, while hundreds of workers go unemployed and millions of readers lose their reading material.

    So much for the market automatically doing what's best for everyone, eh?

    1. Re:Interesting Numbers by kawika · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The NYT article said that ZD lost $30 million on Yahoo Internet Life since its launch. I think that's a pretty good reason to close it.

    2. Re:Interesting Numbers by Gryphon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      > Would that happen today? Naw, that'd mean
      > looking beyond the next quarter! Even if a
      > company wanted too, their managment would be
      > crusified by the Wall St. analysts & their
      > investors.

      I just worked as a consultant (via a 3rd party company) for a client that has a hiring freeze on programming & technical staff. This is so that, to Wall Street's eyes, the client is keeping its core expenses (employee salaries) lower in relation to revenue.

      Of course, there are still project deadlines to meet, so they hire consultants to fill those technical roles.

      Sole benefit: payment for consultants can apparently be written off as "one-time" expenses.

      Two problems:

      1) Consultants cost more per hour than employees. 2) There is high turnover with consultants (for example, I don't work for that client any more) and the client has problems meeting targets for key projects, etc.

      Duh! How is this good for the company long term? They avoid hiring permanent employees to have a nicer-looking balance sheet, but sacrifice the benefit of stable, productive, long-term employees?

      Ridiculous, if you ask me. Hooray for market forces!

  7. Focus on gaming? My wish list by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    For the most part, I've become rather jaded - not with the computer/video gaming industry, but about the reporting. It's all pretty much the same - vapid, chauvenistic, and annoying.

    So if ZDNet is focusing on their gaming coverage, here's my own little wish list:
    • For the love of god, hire some more women. How many women are on the gamespot.com staff? I'm looking at today's Gamespotting, and it's all XY chromosomed folks. No wonder games like DOA Vollyball are coming out - there isn't someone to stop that jiggle fest from going out of control. (Not that I don't like good looking girls running round, but if they made it fair and featured guys in speedos, I wouldn't feel like it's being marketed only to 14 year old masturbating teenagers who don't have a like).
    • Stop it with the positive previews. I have yet to see a preview of a game that says "You know, we're working with an early build of a game - and it sucks. I mean, you thought Daikatana was bad - this game takes the cake." I don't even read reviews anymore - I just check out the synopsys of a game, download the demo, and that's it, because I know I can't rely on what game journalists say about the game before its released. I know it's hard, especially when a game in beta might be better in final version. But if you only have something nice to say (when it isn't deserved), don't say anything at all.
    • Ziff Davis also owns gamers.com, Official US Playstation Magazine, etc, etc, etc. I almost hope they go under, mainly because a good chunk of the paper gaming magazines are owned by one company, and you can tell. They're all pretty much the same (much like there's no reason to go to zdnet.com if you've already scanned the headlines for cnet.net). Anyone remember the Gamefan magazine? Great rag, and I was hoping GameGo would take off, but with a near monopoly on gaming magazines, Ziff-Davis has made sure everything is covered in a macho bullshit shell.
    • No booth babe pictures. Ever. Again. Look, maybe it's because I get laid on a regular basis, but I don't feel the need for computer gaming news to feature silicon injected flesh peddlers. I want to know about the game. Is it fun. Is it entertaining. I was annoyed after visiting E3 to see the high level of insults to women depicted there, and even more so after checking out a gaming magazine to see they focused the first section to pictures of the girls. Stop it. Please.
    That's my little wish list, and I'm sure I'm forgetting other things.
  8. Accounting by clearcache · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey...at least they're being honest about their cash flow!!!

  9. Re:Good riddance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting


    they're just pure advertising, page-for-page Isn't that how a magazine makes money?

    People will also buy magazines which contain *useful information*.

    Unfortunately, most of those magazines were
    long ago "Ziffed" - bought out, and the useful
    content replaced with vendor-supported 'product
    reviews'. All of which have the same theme:
    "they gave us this stuff, and bought a full
    page ad, and maybe threw in some cash on the side, so we'll say it's great stuff."

    Irv

  10. Re:Focus on gaming? My wish list by yatest5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    For the love of god, hire some more women. How many women are on the gamespot.com staff? I'm looking at today's Gamespotting [gamespot.com], and it's all XY chromosomed folks. No wonder games like DOA Vollyball [gamespot.com] are coming out - there isn't someone to stop that jiggle fest from going out of control. (Not that I don't like good looking girls running round, but if they made it fair and featured guys in speedos, I wouldn't feel like it's being marketed only to 14 year old masturbating teenagers who don't have a like).

    No booth babe pictures. Ever. Again. Look, maybe it's because I get laid on a regular basis, but I don't feel the need for computer gaming news to feature silicon injected flesh peddlers.

    This guy's chick is *so* watching him post over his shoulder...

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  11. The World Won't Miss You, ZD by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I guess this is mostly just another "me too."

    In the late 80s I actually read PC Magazine. I thought it was a half-decent way to keep abreast of things happening one particular platform -- "IBM PC Compatable" type machines. Of course, if you relied on it, you would end up with a very narrow and distorted view of Personal Computers.

    In the early 90s, it seemed to get progressively worse. It kept its focus on only one hardware platform (which is almost, though not quite, justifiable today, but ten years ago, no way), but also focused almost exclusively on a single OS vendor -- you can guess who.

    The last straw came in 1995 when they gave their "technical excellence" award for OSes, to Windows 95. Compared to some of the other things around at the time, such as OS/2 Warp, this was a complete joke. You can talk about market realities or whatever, but when it comes to pure technique, Windows 95 is to Warp, as a Model T is to a modern car.

    Up to then, I knew I was getting distorted information from them, but just how distorted it was, I guess I just hadn't fully realized it. I took a look around at some other ZD publications then, just to make sure I wasn't jumping to any unjustified conclusions, and then safely concluded: ZD was just Microsoft's PR arm. They were not journalists.

    I stopped reading anything published by Ziff-Davis. The words "Ziff-Davis" actually became a negative-value trademark, a badge for unusually poor quality. Worse than random noise. This is a company who can put goodwill on the liabilities side of their balance sheet.

    They could even have reformed in the last few years, and I wouldn't know. They established a such horrible reputation and it would take a miracle to bring them back. I can't imagine that anyone reads them anymore.

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  12. Re:about time..The Day Z-D Journalism Died by drpatt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I stopped buying PC Rag after their ridiculous "comparison" of OS/2 and Win95. It was only two pages, with 80% covered by a single graphic, correctly stating the differences in how each OS protected its running apps. After showing clearly how OS/2 was superior in crash protection, they chose their winner: "Verdict: Windows95 by a mile." After the barrage of hate mail in the next issue's ed page, they responded that they chose Win95 because they knew it would win the bulk of the market share. Technical merit had nothing to do with it. They went with MS, against the facts they presented, because they knew MS would win anyway. That was the last straw for me. They deserve what they are getting now.

  13. I'll be celebrating... by jejones · · Score: 4, Funny

    I remember back when Ziff-Davis bought up many fine computer magazines (e.g. Creative Computing, Color Computer Magazine) only to destroy them, leaving a scorched earth landscape with essentially nothing but Ziff-Davis magazines and no coverage of anything save PClones. Computer Shopper was bought and then all the columnists writing on non-Intel systems told to go away...so as far as I'm concerned, die, Ziff-Davis, home of Intel and MS shills. I'll dance on your grave.