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Slashback: Assembly, Avoidance, Civility

With the usual round of updates, corrections, reactions and related stories, Slashback tonight has word of yet another giant Euronerd conclave, as well as some news on the odds of being smashed into a pulp in the year 2019, and a gentle response from Richard M. Stallman on appropriate behavior in absurd circumstances.

Good place for a lemonade stand. The march of the gigantic temporary European computer city-state goes on: Late writes that "Assembly 2002 starts in Finland on Thursday at 12.00 EET-DST (GMT +3). With over 2800 computer places and an expected total of over 4500 visitors, Assembly is one of the largest combined demo- and lanparties in the world. Those of you who can't make it, can watch our streamed TV broadcast. We'll be broadcasting all the competitions, at least part of the seminars that include such speakers as Rob Hubbard (C64 music legend) and a whole bunch of other programs."

You are condemned to live even longer. h4mmer5tein writes: "The BBC has an update on the asteroid story from a few days ago saying that it won't, after all, hit the earth in 2019. More information is being collated but it seems that 2060 is unlikely to see an impact either."

Iron IronGorilla adds: "Much like a Microsoft crash^H^H^H^H^Hrelease date being pushed back, NASA is reporting here that we are not, in fact, all going to die on February 1st, 2019 ..."

The dangers of meeting someone who means what he says. A few weeks ago, reader Al3x wrote his account ("Results of the Commerce Dept's DRM Workshop") of the recent gathering in DC of (officially invited) representatives of the entertainment industry and the less-officially invited members of the public. Alex criticized the approach of several members of the Free software community on hand for the discussion, including Richard Stallman.

Stallman writes in response:

"Al3x went to the July 17 Washington Digital Restrictions Management panel feeling admiration for me, but left disappointed with my views and actions. I think his disappointment was partly due to a couple of misconceptions, so I hope this explanation will partly restore his good opinion of my work and methods.

I cannot deny Al3x's charge that I, and the rest of us, defied the rules of the meeting by refusing to be completely silent. If it is wrong to disobey an unfair system, I stand convicted, but I am not ashamed. However, in the scale of civil disobedience, ours was very mild. Women demanding the vote sometimes chained themselves to doorways, which might have been inconvenient for some passersby. Blacks demanding an end to segregation sometimes broke rules, and even laws, by sitting in a Whites-only diner or at the front of a bus. It is up to each of you to decide your ethical approach to judging acts of disobedience to an unfair system.

Al3x criticized NY Fair Use for 'preferring to show up and disrupt the debate' rather than ask for a seat on the panel. Our occasional laughter and less frequent verbal comments did not disrupt the panel, and all the panelists were able to express their views; but because our means were so limited, we could not communicate very much. We would have much preferred to participate officially, on an equal footing with Jack Valenti, but they had refused our request, just as they refused the EFF. Our measured protest appears to have obtained for us the chance for a seat on a subsequent panel.

After the meeting, Al3x asked me for my views on intellectual property. As it happens, I think it is a grave mistake to formulate one's views in terms of 'intellectual property,' and I explained why.

I explained that the term 'intellectual property' lumps together disparate areas of law, including copyright, patent, trademark, and others, and that they are so different that it is a mistake to try to group them together. The public policy issues of these various areas of law result from the details of how they restrict the public, and those details are different; if you try to form your opinions about 'intellectual property,' you will miss all of these issues, and you will be led to propose sweeping generalizations which cannot help being foolish. I explained the problems of the term 'intellectual property' to Al3x hoping this would help him and others he communicates with avoid that pitfall in thinking.

I suspect a miscommunication took place there, because when I said that his proposed copyright system for music might be a good one, he perceived that as a contradiction. Perhaps when I said 'the term "intellectual property" is bad,' he heard me as saying 'everything people call "intellectual property" is bad.' That, however, is exactly the sort of sweeping overgeneralization that the term 'intellectual property' leads people to form; it is to discourage such simplistic views that I ask people to avoid the term. I have views on copyright, views on patent, and views on trademark, but I do not have *any* position on 'intellectual property.' As Al3x learned, I'm not 100% opposed to copyright, though I believe it should be much less restrictive to the public than it is now.

See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.htm for more explanation of the problems of the term 'intellectual property.' If you're interested in my views on copyright, see www.gnu.org/philosophy/copyright-and-globalization.html.

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  1. BBC shouldnt report we are not going to die by Neuronerd · · Score: 5, Funny

    After all why do I listen to their news? Whats the point in reading news if you are not even threatened by death ...
    I will read BBC again in 2059 to be sure

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    1. Re:BBC shouldnt report we are not going to die by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just because he's not fearing death by 2059, it doesn't mean he isn't fearing deafness...

  2. Retirement Planning... by Yoda2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    No asteroid?! Just great, and I just spent the 2% of the deferrals left in my retirement account on porn and Twinkies.

  3. 2060? by papasui · · Score: 3, Funny

    Christ we need to send up Bruce Willis to blow the hell out of that thing before he's 105.

  4. Asteroids by papasui · · Score: 4, Funny

    All you need is a small polygon ship that shoots a small laser beam. This type of technology only costs 0.25 and even a 10 year old can run it, I don't know what NASA is worrying about.

    1. Re:Asteroids by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because once you shoot the big ones, you have 4 times as many little ones to shoot, then 8 times as many tiny ones, that move 4 times faster.

      Even with the most expert operators, it's unlikely the earth will survive past maybe 30 rounds of these before running into something.

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  5. 2063 by Piquan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nuts... Looks like I'll have to fix my code that uses 32-bit timestamps after all.

  6. Re:is the gratuitous MS bashing necessary? by dsb3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Much like the woody release schedule ..." may be more apropos, don't you think?

    Laugh. It's a joke.

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  7. We were all gonna to fry on 2019 because... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 2, Funny

    [trolling for response]
    The float point computations that produced the said result were done on intel Pentium...

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  8. What's the probability of an impact with Earth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I just read this story on yahoo and suddenly feel the urge to beat the author with my stats book. The caption says that the asteroid is "apparently on a direct collision course with Earth."

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ 02 0725/161/1wvs0.html&e=6

    My favorite story about this asteroid is here:

    Scientist Touts Laser to Zap Asteroid
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st ory&u=/nm/ 20020729/od_nm/asteroid_dc_1

    If they do design a laser in space then please god make it look like the Death Star!

  9. Re:Asteroid by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any asteroid going 300 MPH would most definitely burn up before it reached the atmosphere.

    Every American "knows" that the distance from the earth to the sun is 93 million miles. Thus the circumference (or distance to be travelled in the space of a year), is 290 million miles. There are approximately 8765 hours in a year. Thus, the average speed of the earth is omigod....

    33000 miles per hour. We're all going to die! In fact, the friction of the earth moving through the vacuum of space (at high speed) must be what's causing this damned heat wave....

  10. Stallman's account by Tex+Bravado · · Score: 5, Funny

    It always irritates me when Stallman makes cogent and pertinent remarks like this, which threaten my image of him as a wild-eyed ranting iconoclast.

  11. Re:Astroids, unfairness by update() · · Score: 2, Funny

    Errr, actually, walking into a church and interrupting the service until the "person up front" answers your questions about the GPL or the JPEG patent or whatever the hell it is you're talking about _is_ a really good way to get yourself thrown in jail. Or involuntarily committed to a mental hospital.

    It's a credit to the church congregations you've harassed that you haven't found that out yet.

  12. Re:Asteroid by binford2k · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, we know you stuck an extra zero on the end. Your post reveals your education level.

    I got a 1600 on my SATs.

    You got A 1600 on your how many SATs?

    So I consider myself to be a pretty open-minded and science-accepting person.

    Science-accepting means much less than science-knowledgeable, which you obviously are not.

    But who seriously believed the asteriod was going to crash into Earth.

    A question traditionally has a question mark on the end.

    Simple math shows us that it would have to be going in speeds exceeding 300 MPH to crash into us in 2019.

    Simple science knowledge reveals that the asteroid is already traveling much faster than 300MPH. Remember, speed is relative. 300MPH is not really that fast.

    Any asteroid going 300 MPH would most definitely burn up before it reached the atmosphere.

    Why? There is no air resistance in space.

  13. interplanetary taxi by batquux · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, when this asteroid zips past in 2019, can we throw a net over it and hitch a ride to mars?

  14. I think I am going to write a new fable by Bob+Loblaw · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The chicken little that cried asteroid"

  15. Stallman is important to the future of our world! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 3, Funny

    We have to keep him around so he can argue with the asteroid in 2019.