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AT-ATs Coming to a Forest Near You

Audent writes "Not strictly speaking anything any of us should classify as work related, or even open source, but holy shitbags! I want one of these. Plustech, a subsidiary of tractor maker John Deere, has built a six-legged walking logging machine that just has to be the prototype for an AT-AT walker. Imagine parking this puppy at the mall!"

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  1. Wonderful... by WeekendKruzr · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Because of course the world certainly needs newer, bigger, and better ways to cut down even more trees.

    1. Re:Wonderful... by Eccles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because of course the world certainly needs newer, bigger, and better ways to cut down even more trees.

      If they could harvest efficiently with this puppy without clear-cutting or requiring tractor-trailer-capable roads, it could actually be ecologically beneficial.

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    2. Re:Wonderful... by 10+Speed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      a properly managed forest is a renewable resource

    3. Re:Wonderful... by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Have you ever seen a logging operation in action? Didn't think so. The fact is that the tractors that are used tear up a good sized swath and compact the soil making it harder for the forest to re-assert itself. This six-legged beastie is a great idea if they can make it competetive with current logging vehicles as it will reduce the ecological impact that logging has and that's a good thing. It's not like all research put into logging tech is bad; for example the use of log skidders (bulldozers pushing logs from where they've been cut to where they're put on the truck) has been greatly reduced by stringing up huge cables at the top of the hill being logged. Logs are attached to said cable and are carried downhill to log landings to be put on waiting trucks. This results in less damage done to the log so less needs to be logged and fewer necessary roads and less use of skidders meaning lower environmental impact and quicker restoration of the forest.

    4. Re:Wonderful... by Chad+Stansbury · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, logging roads have turned out to be very beneficial for fire fighting here in the West. Turns out that fire crews would have a much more difficult times getting to the remote (and as is the case here in Denver, not so remote) burns. Not only do logging roads help get the equipment to the burn site, but they also provide a good fire break.

      Just goes to show that nothing comes free in this world.

  2. What are the costs? by MisanthropicProggram · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's nice to see someone trying to lower the impact on forests, but if this machine costs too much to opperate, it won't sell. Margins are EXTREMELY important to logging companies. That's why they have to low ball the Fed. Gov. to harvest in public forests and why the US logging companies lobbied our Government to impose those protectionist tarriffs on the Canadians.

    If this company wants to make a go of this, they're going to have to make a military version. I don't know about you, but if I saw one of these things comming at me, I'd run for the hills!

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  3. Ted Geisel's spinning in his grave... by Lurkingrue · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does anyone else think this looks like one of Dr. Seuss' worst nightmares?

    Somewhere, a Lorax is crying...

  4. Re:military version by Saeger · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Sure, legged maneuverability is great, but you'll have to trade off speed and ruggedness for something the size of a tank ('AMIE' from the movie Red Planet is a cool beast though).

    A conventional tank's armor protects its means of locomotion pretty well (like a tortoise), but legged creatures have it all hanging out there.

    Just concentrate your attack on the weak joints and it's game over.

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  5. Slow and loud? Huh? by bleckywelcky · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Have you ever even been around any construction/industrial equipment or machinery in your life? That thing is not loud by any means. In fact, until I watched the videos, the impression I was getting from all the loud comments was that this thing sounded like a jet engine or something (kinda like my comp sounds, heh). This thing is suprisingly quiet. I mean, if you listen closely as it walks, you can even hear the chains on its feet dangle and clank as the feet pads move. Sure, it isn't museum quiet, but your typically lawn mower is probably louder than this thing. I'll agree that it isn't all that fast, but I think the speed is almost just right for walking through forests, you don't wanna run into trees going too fast now.

  6. Less logging my ass... by greygent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're obviously not clued in on how the logging industry works. These advancements will in NO WAY WHATSOEVER reduce logging. It will, however, increase profit, but don't think for a second that logging companies are going to log any less of their "purchased" parcels of land.

    1. Re:Less logging my ass... by BrookHarty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You obviously missed his point. :)

      There will be more logging, the world is growing, and wood products are needed. This 6 legged beast can save land by not crushing it like a bulldozer, so the forest grows back quicker.
      The solution is not less logging, its reforestation and proper management. These machines are just tools to help. If there was no requirements to reforest, companies would just use large machines and flatten the land, its much easier.

      *But* this technology is only for American forests (we have laws about our own soil). Companies like Citigroup and Boise Lumber cant get away with that in the America. But the rest of the world, its rape and pillage time.
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  7. Re:military version by lingqi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    hmm... you know...

    1) if you rip the belt / track with a mine, etc; a conventional tank is out of service. i assume a military version of a walker can walk with 4 or 5 out of the six legs, albeit slower, etc

    2) there are "armored" creatures in nature too where the legs are not exposed. think armadillo for example

    3) same goes for humans as to the "attack on the weak joint". that's why there are such things as ARMOR. hell, take a look at a medieval knight and how every joint they have are armored.

    lastly, with *enough* manuverability you no longer even have to worry about being hit (as much), because you can
    a) dodge the damn shells (lateral movement)
    b) get to them before they get to you (terrain adaptability advantage)
    c) get to a place where they can't get to you or where you would have a significant tactical advantage (climb a steep hill / up side of a building, etc)

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  8. Not at all by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those legs are way too vulnerable.

    Imagine rope or netting looped around a couple. I doubt they have much power for moving, simply strength for holding up. Think of your own legs when someone tied your shoelaces together. A puny little shoelace and you couldn't break it with your legs! One of the few things I believed in whatever Star Wars episode that was (New Hope?).

    The legs need armor, but trying to armor them individually and completely would add way too much weight and bulk.

    Consider a tank -- all that armor on the sides and some on the top. Battleships armored the individual turrets, but almost all the rest was on the sides and under the deck. Individual compartments were not armored. Not even magazines had their own armor, they were simply buried as deep as possible within the armor.

  9. Another Misconception abounds by Hott+of+the+World · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most environmental groups either worry about the effect of logging on local wildlife, or the rampant destruction of trees in south america.

    The fact that a cool-ass tree-cutter comes along really doesn't bother them too much. Its more of the parking lot thats gonna replace the tree they hate more.

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  10. Re:Doesn't look like an AT-AT by langed · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The site also shows a big simulator for training. It looks like your average 6-wheeled ATV. So, apparently they've experimented with a series of wheeled designs too. And they don't look like big green ants.

    On a side note, it rather reminded me of a grasshopper, not an ant.

    But I just want to see that simulator software GPL'd. Run it on Windows or Linux, I don't care. Even if it weren't turned into a game, it'd be cool for the geek factor! :)

  11. Re:Where are the wacko's complaining about defores by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, if used wisely (which as always is a big if), something like this could be quite good for helping to stop deforestation. No roads need to be cut into the forest, and no clearcutting; instead a couple of guys with these could pick out a tree here, a tree there, and still leave the forest basically intact. It's like plucking a few hairs from your head here and there, vesus shaving one spot.

    Oh, and the question is not "tree" supply. It's forests. A forest is more than just a bunch of trees, ya know.

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  12. It's... it's... it's... by happyclam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IT'S A GIANT COOTIE!

    Seriously, remember the game "Cootie" when you were kids? (Those of you who aren't kids anymore anyway.)

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  13. Re:Wrong!!! by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're going to try to randomly repeat what smart people once said, at least try to get it right.

    Remember the tuna sandwich rule: When you eat a tuna sandwich, you profit in energy. If this wasn't true, people would die of starvation eating tuna sandwiches.

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