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Slashback: Picnic, Neonapster, Microsoft
Look at the nice horse they left. babbage writes "As part of ongoing antitrust settlement arrangements, Microsoft has 'opened' the source code to some of their protocol implementation source code. Go ahead and read the license -- but do keep an eye on the NDA you have to agree to first. If you find an NDA to be an objectionable first step -- and I'll admit, I haven't read the license because I don't agree to the NDA terms -- then speak up about it. The Department of Justice is accepting public comments from industry professionals about the new licensing terms. There is a real concern that such pseudo-open licensing could effectively scuttle development efforts on projects like Samba & Mono, but we need to get open access to the license in order to figure out what the risks are. If you have anything to contribute, now is the time to speak up to the DOJ."
Bring your own herring. Bill Kendrick writes: "From the folks who brought you the immensely popular "Linux10" event, comes Picn*x11, a picnic/barbecue celebrating 11 years of the Linux operating system. It's going to be held in Sunnyvale again, the Saturday after LinuxWorld Expo. So go RSVP now, and get your Picn*x11 t-shirt! (Proceeds go to EFF)"
With enough eyeballs many programs seem shallow, too. TheMMaster writes "Neonapster seems to have GPL'd their software, you can download the source here, not that I am terribly happy with what happened, but at least this seems to have been settled out of court ;) of course... it is still a cheap cdex rip off ;)"
LWN is good reading.
Keck writes "We all shed a tear for Linux Weekly News a little too soon maybe?
Yes, we know we said there would be no LWN.net Weekly Edition this time around, but, in the end, it was worth the trouble to put together a mini version. So here it is; with luck, the full Weekly will be back on August 15. "
Neonapster is not a rippoff of cdex...its a gnutellla filesharing app....its NeoAudio thats the Cdex ripoff...i recommend cdex to anyone ripping cds, ive used it for year and its great
The source code [for NeoNapster's softwares] has been at that exact same link since the story first hit slashdot front page. It's just some people are too quick to yell about violations, and not check what's actually going on. So yeah, it's good a "front page" story cleared up the issue, but it shouldn't make it sound like they just changed it, since it's been there the entire time.
Those of you who registered your disgust with NeoAudio at download.com might want to take a look at the comments page--every commment prior to 7 August has been deleted. Magically their rating seems to have jumped. go figure http://download.com.com/3302-2140-10137006.html
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Well, I looked at their protocols that they're "opening" - nothing earth shuttering.. USB, FireWire, IPv6 and stuff like that are already available and running well under Linux and other open source OS's...
I don't see anywhere that MS gives the Exchange protocol for example, so whats the point?
Also- regarding LWN, most of the donations have been bounced back due to some stupid company thinking, so PLEASE re-send them your donations by other ways (PayPal etc..)
If you decide to continue anyways the next page begins:
Microsoft Communications Protocol Program
NDA Request Form Instructions
The first step in the Microsoft Communications Protocol Program is to obtain and sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA). To request an NDA, click on the link below and complete the request form... to facilitate confirmation of your request and avoid possible delays, it is important to use a Passport account with a verified e-mail address from a domain used by your company. Requests submitted using e-mail addresses from unrestricted or anonymous email domains (e.g., Hotmail) will not be handled without direct contact and verification from the company involved.
...and I thought my Hotmail account was my Passport. Well lets try anyway...
If you keep on going, logging in with your Passport you'll probably hit this page:
Microsoft Communications Protocol Program
NDA Request -- Passport Configuration
Which basically asks you to set up your Passport account to share your personal (although probably inaccurate) information with all Passport Services before you can even get to the protocol NDA request page...
Ummm, No thanks.
My next sig will be ready soon, but friends can beat the rush!
Using fair use rights to quote and snip sections of the Microsoft faq...
"...Microsoft will make available, on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms, any communications protocol implemented in a Windows 2000 Professional, Windows XP or successor desktop operating system that is used to interoperate or communicate natively with a Microsoft server operating system..."
"...Microsoft's Communications Protocol Program will make available for license by others, on a royalty basis, more than 100 proprietary protocols that were not previously available. These protocols can be used, in accordance with the license and payment agreement terms, to develop a broad range of server software products that use the protocols solely to interoperate or communicate with the covered Windows client operating systems..."
"... Consistent with industry practice, licensees of these protocols are required to protect Microsoft's intellectual property appropriately and are further obligated to pay specified royalties for the use of the licensed communications protocols and associated intellectual property..."
"...Third parties that want to license protocol information related to authentication and digital rights management must also pass an entry requirement related to their ability to reliably and responsibly maintain the security of this information and integrity of such systems..."
and finally...
"...Five years, but a licensee may also sign up to a new license at any point up until the end of the consent decree - which has a five year term. Throughout the term of the consent decree we will continue to make the covered protocols available on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms..."
I went to my first Philly LUG yesterday, and look forward to celebrating the 11 anniversary of Linux at a the FDR park in south Philly near the stadium. Check out the PLUG's webpage. For those of you who weren't there. There is also going to be a hardware swap on the Saturday before the picnic. Unupdated information is available here
We had to destroy the sig to save the sig.
In addition there is a small but worthwhile discussion over at Freedb. Some Slashdotters have missed the fact that Mr. Faber does not claim NeoAudio violates the license, he is merely suggesting potential users make informed decisions on whether to use CDex or NeoAudio. Logically, there is no reason to use NeoAudio -- it offers no improvements over CDex.
Of course, there's always Exact Audio Copy, which has proved itself in the mp3 scene as the de-facto standard for ripping.
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Technically, the product was 'updated'.
b =0&pn=1&fb=2 (378 comments strong)
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(at 32 comments and increasing)
You can still access the old comments thru this url. http://download.com.com/3302-2140-10132447.html?o
And if you click on the 'NeoAudio' link in the bar labelled "CNET > Downloads > Windows > Audio > Rippers & Encoders > NeoAudio > User Opinions" you will see this 'update' message.
Once you do this, you will be brought to the new comments section for the updated neoaudio. Which resides on http://download.com.com/3302-2140-10137006.html?o
This makes me curious. Can an author of a product on download.com simply erase a ton of bad publicity on it's own by simply releasing minor point releases every couple of days ?
The LimeWire Basic has some adware.
http://www.limewire.com/
But there's also GPLed source code now (not very easy to compile though).
http://www.limewire.org/
Its rather interesting that the comments about the NeoNapster software were removed but CNET services reserve the right to do so. This is the list of their guidelines - so I imagine they figured we were just upset and decided to delete everything.
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Mathematician, n.:
Someone who believes imaginary things appear right before your i's.
Anonymous Coward's fear that this could be interpreted as "available" by US Courts is well-founded. We should *HAMMER* the Court with comments that (1) this program must not be used to place *any* restriction upon the rights of any person or group of persons to reverse-engineer Microsoft System Behavior; and perhaps (2) that to assist in re-establishing a competitive marketplace, Microsoft should be required to release all of this information to the general public, on a website, without registration or even cookies of any kind. (After all, they were found GUILTY. Why is the DOJ acting like the plaintiffs lost the case?)
I previously submitted comments regarding discrimination against Open Software developers in this section of the RPFJ, and they didn't change the wording of the relevant section by a single word. Perhaps the unnaceptable wording in this section was inspired by a large campaign contribution from Micrsoft to the failed Senate campaign of Mr. Ashcroft. In any case, it remains a BIG PROBLEM and the plaintiff attorneys need to hear from us now, in large numbers, with careful arguments. After all, they're supposed to be working for us.
You can't prove a negative. It does answer the question a defendent might pose, something like "how did the defendent get access to M$ well guarded secrets?" but it doesn't prove anything by itself.
Perhaps unlikely, but well worth considering anyway.
And for those who read at +1 or better only, now you have the entire comment.
A new kind of meat designed to appeal to vegetarians.
Let me see if I understand this correctly ...
... I have to agree to an NDA that I can't read until I receive it, and which PROBABLY, having read Microsoft's various legal docs before, prohibits disclosure not only of the code, but also the terms of the license agreement, before I even get to decide whether I agree to the terms of the license or not.
I have to agree to the license terms and pay a fee to get the source.
I also have to provide MS with a Dunn & Bradstreet ID number to prove that I'm really a company.
I have to authenticate all my requests via Passport, thus I am required to provide Microsoft all kinds of personal information AND give them permission to use it in any way they see fit.
Finally
Thanks Microsoft. You've just done the non-settling states job for them. You have conclusively proven the need for more stringent antitrust penalties against yourself.
I WILL be filing my comments with the DOJ later this morning.
utter rubbish