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Shrinkwrapped Books

NortWind writes "I just saw this in the InfoWorld paper, in the "The Gripe Line" by Ed Foster. It describes how a "...book arrived wrapped in plastic with a shrinkwrap license on the front". Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse..." I wrote an essay about this a year or two ago.

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  1. Of course it was shrink-wrapped by wackybrit · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...book arrived wrapped in plastic with a shrinkwrap license on the front"

    That's how most mail-order porn mags arrive. It means the seller can accept returns that are still wrapped and be confident the pages aren't stained with jizz. Retailers of regular fiction don't suffer from this problem.

  2. Without reading the actual article.... by elhondo · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean Harlan Ellison has a new book out?

  3. Terms by ThereIsNoSporkNeo · · Score: 5, Funny

    By opening this shrink-wrap you agree to the terms and conditions of the agreement.

    To see the agreement, open the book to page 1.

    For technical assistance call 724-987-1192, however, by calling this number you release us from any obligation of helping you.

    Thank you and have a good day.

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  4. Some Java books are even worse by GGardner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some Sun Java books, notably, the Java Language Specification, are even worse -- the license isn't in the shrinkwrap, it's printed in small print on an early page. I bet most people haven't even noticed it -- at least you notice a shrinkwrap license for a microsecond before it gets tossed.

    1. Re:Some Java books are even worse by chris_mahan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is no law that says that you have to read "every single page" of a book you buy. You just say: I skipped those pages (I had a headache or something) They're going to ask why you skipped them, and you'll say: "It looked boring" to which there is of course no reply, because that would be the go-awful truth.

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  5. Trash it by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Informative

    If the license agreement was to be taken seriously, he either had to go to the trouble of trying to ship the book back or he had to become an Omnicare customer somehow.

    I'd just trash it and forget it. It's illegal to send unsolicited items and then try to collect for it - just because they slap a boilerplate on something that arrives unsolicited in your mail you can still just treat it like any bulk business mail, crapcan it. All they are claiming ownership rights to is the contents. If you want to get in a moral quandrary over it, or become play the OmniCare game that's fine too.

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    1. Re:Trash it by GeorgeNorton · · Score: 5, Informative

      In the UK it is illegal under The Unsolicited Goods and Services Act 1971 :

      "UNSOLICITED GOODS AND SERVICES ACT
      The Unsolicited Goods and Services Act 1971 is designed to prevent traders charging for goods you have not ordered. If you receive something unsolicited, this law states that you are under no obligation to return it. All you need do is keep it for six months or just one month if you contact the supplier. If a trader demands payment for unsolicited goods, he is guilty of a criminal offence." - BBC

  6. Postal Code covers this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anything that is mailed unsolicited to a person belongs to that person. Period. The postal code is extremely clear on this point.

    There used to be a lot of scams where companies would send products to people along with a bill, figuring that enough people would pay to make it worth it. For one thing, the company did not provide return postage, so any return would be at the customer's expense.

    Each and every one of those doctors now owns the book that was sent to them. I suggest they throw away the shrinkwrap, and use them for doorstops.

    1. Re:Postal Code covers this by Skyshadow · · Score: 3, Informative
      You must make reasonable efforts to return the product to the shipper, such as marking "refused" on the outside of the package and placing it back in your mailbox.

      Interesting, but also completely, 100% untrue.

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  7. Go to a college bookstore. by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Informative

    Books for classes have been doing this for years. Some have shrinkwrap licenses, though most have software that generally gets unused in the class, but is just there to make resale of the book harder. It's starting a mini-cottage industry of small booksellers that don't care about the license and will buy and sell the used book no matter what, as opposed to the large campus store that needs to comply with the bookseller's corporate "licensing" terms.

  8. Maybe some straw will help break the camel's back? by Lumpish+Scholar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Shrinkwrapped licenses for books are clearly a violation of the doctrine of first sale (you do not own the rights to distribute the content of a book, but you completely own your copy of the the physical book, and may distribute that any way you please).

    Each new insult is also one more bit of evidence that fair use is threatened. If this goes on -- and if we keep writing Congress, etc., every time it happens -- at some point, maybe things will be so visibly out of hand that there'll be serious public pressure to swing the pendulum back.

    It won't happen by itself, but I cling to a shred of hope, no matter how thin. (Giving into despair doesn't help; think of hope as a modified Pascal's Wager.)

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  9. Bulshit license. by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The book came unsolicited in the mail. The only rights the person who sent it may have are what is afforded by standard copyright. The physical object, the book, belongs to the recipient to use in a fair manner consistant with the local copyright laws no matter what the meaningless piece of paper says. They cannot give themselves the right to take the book away at a later date. The stuff about not being able to share the information with anybody is crap too.

    Basically this is an article about a publisher being stupid and wasting paper; probably not nearly as much paper as the company that publishes "Internet Explorer for Dummies," so if you want to harrass somebody, you'd be better off harassing them.

    1. Re:Bulshit license. by Tony · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not an article about a publisher being stupid and wasting paper; it's about the glacial creeping of an intellectual property mindset that is slowly eroding our rights.

      In society, things change slowly. Early in any major change, there are harbingers; this is one. Years ago we would never have given serious thought to shrink-wrap agreements in software, since they did not hold any real legal weight; now, because of UCITA, they do have legal backing in some states.

      Just because it seems ridiculous now doesn't mean it will remain ridiculous. Obvously, *some*one is taking it seriously enough to attempt it. Our only hope it to nip this in the bud, and maybe roll back UCITA at the same time.

      Otherwise, we will only take it seriously after it is too late.

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  10. More similarities by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you buy the US edition, the cover locks closed in Europe, and visa versa.

  11. Found the listing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is Title 39, United States Code, Section 3009:

    http://www.usps.com/websites/depart/inspect/merc h. htm

  12. Here's the text by doublem · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another one bites the ./ dust:

    wget is a wonderful thing:

    The Gripe Line
    Ed Foster
    Open with caution

    I SUPPOSE IT was inevitable. With sneakwrap terms showing up in everything from charity Web sites to pornographic spam, it was just a matter of time. Books with shrinkwrap license agreements have arrived.

    The first report of this phenomena to The Gripe Line came a few months ago when a reader who is a physician received an unsolicited tome in the mail entitled Geriatric Pharmaceutical Care Guidelines, 2002 Edition, from Omnicare. "This book arrived wrapped in plastic with a shrinkwrap license on the front," the doctor wrote. "It plainly says that by breaking the seal you agree to the terms of the license and if you don't agree you should return the book unopened. Is this what software licensing has led us to? This license says the book remains the property of Omnicare. Will they come up with a way to remotely disable the book if someone else reads it?"

    The doctor obligingly faxed me a copy of the license, and I saw that it was indeed a sneakwrap agreement worthy of Microsoft or VeriSign. "In the event that you do not agree with any terms of this agreement you should promptly return the material unopened to your local Omnicare pharmacy," it read in bold letters near the top.

    The license was nontransferable and would "terminate immediately if the Licensee or his or her employer ceased to be an Omnicare customer." And although the Omnicare "Guidelines are intended only to provide guidance as to which pharmaceutical products Omnicare believes to be most effective" the "licensee" was nonetheless prohibited from disclosing any of the information in the book to third parties.

    It struck me that this license put the doctor in an awkward position. As far as he knew, neither he nor any of the other doctors in his office (most of whom had received their own copies the book) were Omnicare customers, and he did not know where his "local Omnicare pharmacy" might be. Even if he wanted to keep the book, as a non-Omnicare customer the license prohibited him from doing so. And since Omnicare claimed to retain ownership of his copy, he couldn't destroy it either. If the license agreement was to be taken seriously, he either had to go to the trouble of trying to ship the book back or he had to become an Omnicare customer somehow.

    The doctor wondered if Omnicare was trying to make him feel obligated to them. "Sometimes my less-than-favorite charities send me greeting cards or stickers or a writing instrument in the mail," the doctor noted. "They are hoping to provoke enough sense of obligation in me to extract a contribution, but legally I am not required to acknowledge, or pay for, or return, or refrain from using what they send. So what is my obligation when sent an unsolicited book? Am I legally required not to use it or to return it if I don't agree with the sender's intended use?"

    So just what was Omnicare's purpose in putting a classic shrinkwrap agreement (it was even printed in small, poorly-contrasted type) on a book that was clearly intended to promote use of the company's pharmaceutical products? I hoped Omnicare officials might have a simple explanation, but if they did, they decided not to share it with me. After two months of going back and forth with their public relations staff, I did not even get an answer on the basic question of what a noncustomer was supposed to do with the book.

    While I was waiting in vain for answers from Omnicare, though, I heard from another reader with a shrinkwrapped book. Interestingly enough, he was also a doctor, but his book was a membership directory published by a medical society. I'm not going to identify the organization, partly because my deadline didn't allow them much time to respond to my questions and partly because their license was much less restrictive than Omnicare's. But their spokesperson was also unable to offer any explanations for why they felt it necessary to attach a license agreement to that book.

    As I thought about it, however, it occurred to me that it doesn't really matter why we're suddenly seeing these books in the medical field with shrinkwrap licenses. Perhaps the publishers have good reasons for using them, perhaps they don't. But if someone wants to slap some legalese of dubious merit on the front of a book, why shouldn't they? Software publishers have been doing it for years, after all, so it only seems fair that publishers of other forms of intellectual property should have the same right to try to put restrictions on how customers use their products.

    And, if there's no real justification for prohibiting book publishers from doing what software publishers do, how can we draw the line even at products containing intellectual property? Perhaps lamps will soon come with fine print legalese on the inside of the lampshade banning them from being resold at yard sales without the manufacturer's permission. And tearing that tag off your mattress really will bring the police pounding on your door.

    Last week we talked about how we've already lost some of the basic rights we used to enjoy under traditional interpretations of copyright law. Loaning a book to a friend is not yet one of them, but who knows how much longer we'll be able to say that. Today we might still reasonably expect that any sane judge would just laugh if someone tried to get him or her to enforce a license such as Omnicare's limited-use license agreement. We must remember though that there are very powerful forces in this country working to give all sneakwrap agreements the full force of a binding contract. Next week we'll pay them another visit.

    Have you received any sneakwrap agreements on books or other products? Write to Ed Foster, InfoWorld's reader advocate. You can reach him at gripe@infoworld.com.

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  13. Hmmmmm..... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The license was nontransferable and would "terminate immediately if the Licensee or his or her employer ceased to be an Omnicare customer." And although the Omnicare "Guidelines are intended only to provide guidance as to which pharmaceutical products Omnicare believes to be most effective" the "licensee" was nonetheless prohibited from disclosing any of the information in the book to third parties.



    Wouldn't the Doctor's patients be considered "Third Parties" in this scenario?

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  14. High cost of malpractice insurance by Paul+the+Bold · · Score: 3, Funny
    This would be a great way for physicians to avoid the high cost of malpractice insurance. They could simply force us to agree to a shrinkwrap license before filling out forms at the office. Furthermore, they could increase sales by forbidding any discussion of the remedy. What a wonderful thing for society!



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  15. Only logical. by Skyshadow · · Score: 4, Insightful
    If you're going to make information an ownable commodity, this sort of thing is bound to happen over a long enough timeline.

    The really insideous part of this is that, in order to protect strictly financial interests, copyright barrons like Disney and Microsoft and the politicians they (let's be honest) bribe with large campaign contributions have pushed us to a place where information and knowledge can be proprietary and restricted in a way that hasn't been feasible since the invention of the printing press.

    To protect profits from Britney's new crappy CD, these companies have harkened in a world where information can be (at least in theory) totally controlled. Naturally, the fact that this is completely hostile to the basic presumptions of democracy is completely peripheral -- next we'll have printing of bills restricted, politicians suing to keep the gaffes in their public releases supressed under the auspices of the DMCA and an even more uninformed public.

    Hopefully, this sort of thing will spur some sort of public outrage at it progresses, pushing the pendulum back the other way -- it'll happen eventually. The question is how far things will have to go before Joe and Jane Sixpack start to give a shit.

    In the mean time, might I suggest a contribution to the ACLU or EFF? Remember that the RIAA, MPAA and other four-letter-orgs-'o-evil have to spend to overcome common sense, where those of us on the "right" side don't, so your $25 contribution means a lot.

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  16. Unsolicited merchandise? by Ldir · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I don't have a reference, but I understood that there is a long-standing legal doctrine that recipients of unsolicited merchandise have no obligation whatsoever. Am I off base, or has this changed? According to the column, this doctor may not even have the right to throw the book away.

    When one buys a product with a shrink-wrap license, the vendor can at least claim the customer made a decision to acquire it. This new scam is beyond outrageous.

  17. Licensed Books are not New by em.a18 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Books that comes with a license are NOT new. It's not at all unusual to receive books of documentation when one signs a non-disclosure agremeent (NDA). That's not the unusual part.

    There are two new aspects to this idea. I'm not a lawyer, so perhaps the more legal minded can answer these.

    First, can I attach a shrinkwap license to anything? It seems well accepted for software. But what about apples? Can I enforce a shrinkwrap agreement that says you won't sell the apple to somebody else?

    Second, are you bound by a shrink wrap license one receives unsolicited through the mail? One is *not* bound to return anything or even acknowledge merchandise that one receives unsolicitied through the mail.

    1. Re:Licensed Books are not New by markmoss · · Score: 4, Informative

      IANAL, but one aspect is quite simple. No you cannot attach a shrink-wrapped license to a book that is purchased in the normal way. You bought it, you own it, you can sell it, loan it, read it, or use it for toilet paper. That's called "first sale doctrine", and IIRC the court cases establishing it were in the 1920's. (Note that a shrink-wrap license saying simply that you cannot duplicate the book would be legal, but redundant. Copyright law already says that.)

      No one's tried that with apples, but I expect the same rule would apply. The one place shrink-wrap licenses currently might hold up in court is on software. The software vendor's argument is that the user owns the CD and the copy of the software on it, but to use the software you have to make copies (to your hard drive, then from HD to RAM), and this violates the copyright act unless it is done under the license from the vendor. Counterarguments (1) When I read a book, a copy of the text is created in my neurons. Furthermore, I once recited Tolkien's short story "Farmer Giles of Ham" from memory to my little sister, creating a secondary copy in her head. Congress did not intend to outlaw that, nor require that I get a license from the publisher to read the book or tell the story. I don't think they intended to outlaw copies of software created in the course of normal use, either. (2) Many of these licenses now contain unconscionable provisions.

      The NDA is something else again. You signed a contract before you could get the book. It may specify that you don't own the book, you just get to look at it for a while. And quite obviously, if NDA's are to have any force at all, they must be able to prevent you from reselling the documents. But as I said, this is a contract agreed to before the documents are sent to you, not a surprise after purchase.

      The medical directory _might_ come under the a similar exception as the NDA - assuming it was a sort of membership list for an organization of doctors, you have to join the organization to get it, and one of the bylaws you agreed to when you got your membership was that you don't let outsiders get the membership list...

      A shrink wrap license on unsolicited merchandise goes beyond these precedents in some ways. For sure they cannot require you to spend time or money trying to return the item. You can certainly toss it in the dumpster unopened. You can use those AOL CD's as frisbies, coasters, and skeet targets without bothering to read the EULA. However, you connect to AOL and you are using their service, so you'd better check out what you are contracting to do in return.

      Beyond that, would first sale apply when there wasn't any sale? I'd figure that, since postal regulations say unsolicited merchandise is your property, you've got the same freedom with that book that you do with a book yuu just bought from Barnes and Noble. The doctor should even be able to auction it on e-bay - but if they sue, his legal fees to establish that right are going to make his malpractice insurance look cheap!

    2. Re:Licensed Books are not New by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "First, can I attach a shrinkwap license to anything? It seems well accepted for software. But what about apples? Can I enforce a shrinkwrap agreement that says you won't sell the apple to somebody else?"

      I think an apple is a bad example, because unlike a book, you can 'use' an apple only one time. Once it is consumed, you can't resell it to someone else. (At least not very easily.)

      A book can be resold and 'consumed' again, thus bringing up 'questions' about the rules of reselling.

    3. Re:Licensed Books are not New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The software vendor's argument is that the user owns the CD and the copy of the software on it, but to use the software you have to make copies (to your hard drive, then from HD to RAM), and this violates the copyright act unless it is done under the license from the vendor.

      If that's their best argument, then they don't have a leg to stand on: 17 USC 117(a)(1).

      Even if that law weren't there, I agree with you that it would be ridiculous if incidental copying needed to use your own copy would violate the law. That would probably be enough to get any EULA tossed out, assuming you could find a judge who still believes in the original intent of copyright.

  18. Unenforceable, not illegal by coyote-san · · Score: 5, Informative

    It is perfectly legal for somebody to send you something with the suggestion that you return money in exchange. In fact, that's protected by the First Amendment, which is why it's so hard to make some companies to take you off their mailing list.

    But if they try to collect money from you in exchange for the goods (or demand you send it back at your expense) by claiming that a contract exists, that's unenforceable. There were some abusive practices in the 60s, and now this practice is explicitly named unenforceable.

    Of course, back then I think the problem was charities counting on guilt as much as anything else. Now it's outright scam artists sending unsolicited toner, fax supplies, etc., with overpriced POs. A tightly run company will have a single vendor and can tell them to shove off, but many companies will automatically pay low-value POs for office supplies.

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    1. Re:Unenforceable, not illegal by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Charities still do this every christmas - they send a bunch of cards with a letter that says 'if you keep these you owe us $10 otherwise send them back at your expense'. To which I respond 'bollocks, it's unsolicited mail & I have no sympathy for charities that try to scam me', then use the free cards to send to people.

  19. That's it. I give in. by ebbomega · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since everybody seems to be jumping in on the trend, I'm going to start up a business. It's going to be a clothing store. However, before the customer buys the clothing, they have to sign a licensing agreement, saying that they will not wear the clothing every day of the week. Slowly but surely all other clothing lines will follow suit (pun unintended) so that eventually, the clothing industry will have the entire planet color-coordinated. Tuesday will be Green Day, and Thursday is to be Hawaiian Shirt Day.

    Naturally, Mondays will be black.

    Anybody caught wearing their clothing on the wrong day of the week will be reported to the Thought Pol^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HAuthorities and be detained for breaking copywrite violations.

    And everybody says that corporations aren't taking away our freedoms.

    Once again, this is another case of "You want ice cream. You need ice cream. Your existence is meaningless without ice cream."

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    1. Re:That's it. I give in. by Arandir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      they have to sign a licensing agreement

      I have no problem with you refusing to sell the clothing without a signature. That's how they sell houses, and I've seen house deeds with even stranger provisions.

      The problem with this book, and the entire software industry, is that they sell or give you a product before you have agreed to any license or contract. Furthmore, they are claiming contractual agreement where none exists.

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  20. Re:Great, there goes more of our freedom by SirSlud · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd make sure #1 was:

    Thou shalt not threaten litigation prior to having evidence of illegal activity by the defendant.

    The way I see it, ignorance of the law is exactly how these folks get away with it. Most people dont know theres no law that says these things are legally binding, so the threats themselves become the law. Making threats that are not backed up by law should be illegal, as one is simply plying on the fact that customers have 24 hours in their days, and we cannot all hire personal lawyers to vet the threats we are presented with every single day.

    You're not allowed to threaten somebody with their life; whats the difference if you threaten to make somebody so poor through litigation that their life would never be the same? I really dont see a functional difference unless you claim that having your wealth erased through litigation is infintesimally smaller a threat than ones life.

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  21. I think there is something that usurps this by erroneus · · Score: 3, Informative

    If I recall correctly, isn't there a law that says no one can send you anything without your approval and that if they did, you cannot be bound by any terms to purchase regardless of what any print on the item might say?

    In short, if you recieve something in the mail, you have full rights to the article.

    This was put into effect when many magazine publishers would start sending magazines to a customer and later charge him for a subscription rate. I see no fundamental difference in this case.

  22. Re:Great, there goes more of our freedom by Skyshadow · · Score: 4, Informative
    Might I recommend a course of action?

    http://www.eff.org
    http://aclu.org/

    Just kicking an issue around a message board never solved anything. If you feel strongly about it, dollars really do speak louder than words -- you really don't need to donate a lot of money.

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  23. Misdirected mail by coyote-san · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not absolute - you don't get to keep misdelivered mail. (E.g., that guy who got a prototype X-box a while back.) That includes things like the mail going into the wrong box, being sent to the wrong "J Smith", etc.

    But in these cases the sender has to cover the cost of pickup and re-delivery.

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  24. Actually as an employee of Omnicare... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    (not these are my thoughts only not those of ...)
    It's likely that the book had a CD with pharmacy related software (as that is one of the companies primary functions, provide drugs and the systems to control the distribution of said drugs).

    However, if it is just for the book and you didn't request/pay for it, simply trash the book. Who cares?

    1. Re:Actually as an employee of Omnicare... by Kierthos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't even need to trash it. You can keep it for free, and the company can't bill you legally. Postal regulations.

      Kierthos

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  25. charge a storage fee by dutky · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If I were to receive an unsolicited item bearing a restrictive license of this sort, I would immediately send an invoice and rental agreement to the licensor for weekly storage and handling of their merchandise at my location, payable within 15 days unless the licensor came to my location and retrieved the item forthwith. Failure to retrieve the item within 15 days would indicate acceptance of the rental agreement.

    Every month I would send a new invoice for the elapsed period, less payments, plus any late payment fees and interest.

    When the total amount owed exceeded the local small-claims limit, I would confiscate the licensors' property for auction and file suit to recover the debt.

  26. It doesnt matter... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the book was sent in the USA, and the reciever did not request it. Anything this Omnicare company tries to enforce is null and void. That book is the exclusive property of the persons who recieved it.

    I dont care what a scumbag lawyer writes or says.. if it goes against a federal law it's worthless drivel...

    Come to think of it, Most everything a lawyer says is drivel....

    nevermind.

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  27. So, here's how to screw them over by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mark the book "Refused - return to sender", and put it back in the mail box. The USPS will return the book to the sender and charge them for doing so, thus costing the sender more money. Plus, they now have all these books to get rid of.

  28. Something kind of like this happened to me... by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Funny
    I started receiving an unsolicted magazine, "Home Mechanix". Ninty or more percent of the magazine was junk, so I'd just toss them.

    One day, I get a bill in the mail, saying I owed them for the subscription, and that if I didn't pay they'd forward it to Collections.

    I wrote back, informing them that
    1. I'd never subscribed for the magazine
    2. They were in violation of the US postal code
    3. If this ever showed up on any credit report of mine, I'd bring criminal charges of mail fraud against them as well as civil charges.


    <voice font="Jim Nabors">Sur-Prize Sur-Prize Sur-Prize!</voice> I got a mail back from them saying "Uhhh, we checked our records, and we can find no evidence you ever signed up for this. Our collections is purely internal, and never would have shown up on your report. We're sorry, please don't kill us!". I figure it was the old "send them crap and bill them" scam, and when they found out that I wasn't going to play, they backpedaled faster than BillG on Palladium being DRM....
  29. Re:Great, there goes more of our freedom by crawling_chaos · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Thou shalt not threaten litigation prior to having evidence of illegal activity by the defendant.

    Look up the Barratry statutes in your jurisdiction and you'll find this is already there. It's a disbarrable offense for a lawyer to engage in that kind of conduct.

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  30. Prophetic rms by PaxTech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Stallman's Right to Read essay comes closer to becoming reality every day.

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  31. Two absurd scenarios by teetam · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There are two absurd scenarios to consider:
    1. A bonehead consumer buys (or gets hold of) a product and does something unintended with it. Then, he gets hold of a bunch of lawyers and sues the company for a lot of money for not "informing" the consumer about what should not be done with their product. I mean, doesn't everyone know that plastic bags are not toys and can cause suffocation if they held tightly over the head?
    2. Manufacturing companies, realizing that any product can be used in ways that can be harmful, fill their packing with warning labels and such, prepared with the help of a bunch of lawyers. People tend to ignore all these warnings because there are too many of them.

    When common sense goes out the window, what else is left but uncommon nonsense?

    In both scenarios, the only people who benefit are the lawyers.

    Something should be done to restore common sense in our daily lives. When you get a book, what you can do with the book should follow common sense and not be governed by some stupid license agreement. The recepient should not be able to sue the publisher if he tries to flush the book down and floods his own house. On the hand, the sender should not try and dictate what the consumer does with the book. "Do what you want, but remember that you are responsible for doing it."

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  32. What Omnicare does by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Omnicare is a pharmacy service designed to reduce costs in nursing homes, partly by substituting cheaper drugs. The shrink-wrapped book is their guide to doing this.
    • "Health care providers who comply with the "Omnicare Guidelines® have been able to improve patient care, while achieving significant cost savings, in some cases by as much as 30%."

    While Omnicare claims their guidelines aren't based on drug prices, their marketing (which is to nursing homes, not patients) emphasises cost reduction.

    It's thus more like a manual for a proprietary service than a published book. I'd worry more about the service than the book.

  33. "The Supply Room" by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course, damn near everyone I know at work also gets spam e-mail to buy toner supplies for our d getting them two months after being hired. (Yeah, like the most recent hire automatically has purchasing control. *plonk*)

    There was a phone scam something like that maybe 20 years ago - back when the long-distance rate wars were just starting.

    Company on the west coast named itself "The Supply Room". In the morning (when night rates were still in effect on the west coast) they'd war-dial the office phones of businesses in the Eastern time zone. If they got a human (no doubt groggy in the morning) they'd say something like:

    "This is 'The Supply Room'. Do you need any supplies? Xerox paper? Toner? Pens?"

    If the poor sap at his desk said yes they'd ship some stuff to his office, and a large bill to the company's accounts-payable. (I hear they recorded the call as proof that the stuff had been "ordered", too.)

    (I got one of those calls when consulting at an auto company's process automation department. Told 'em they were talking to the wrong person. Found out what they were when the company sent warnings around a few days later.)

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  34. I know who owns THAT book! by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Informative

    The book in question was reportedly received unsolicited in the U.S. mail. Shrink wrap or not, U.S. postal regulations make it clear that such an item can be considered a gift, and need not be returned. It certainy does not stay the property of the publisher. This would be a great test case, they have set themselves up to fail.

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  35. The Law Goes Further Than That: It is Yours by FreeUser · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd just trash it and forget it. It's illegal to send unsolicited items and then try to collect for it - just because they slap a boilerplate on something that arrives unsolicited in your mail you can still just treat it like any bulk business mail, crapcan it.

    The law in the USA goes even further (unless the last fifteen years of anti-consumer legislation has repealed it, I admit I don't keep current on all the latest consumer news): if someone sends you an item in the mail unsolicited it belongs to you.[1] Not only can they not tack on restrictions a la this EULA nonsense, they can't even demand you return it.

    It is yours, to keep, to shitcan, to donate to a public library (if it is a book), in short, to do with whatever you want.

    [1]There are obvious exceptions, such as when it is addressed to someone else and mailed to your address by accident. But, in cases where it is addressed to "Current Occupant", your name, or no name at all, and your address, the item in question is a non-refundable gift to you, with no legal obligation attached whatsoever.

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  36. Heinlein had a good suggestion... by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress".

    to paraphrase from a dim memory, basically, require Congress to have 2 separate houses. In one, laws are passed, requiring a 2/3 majority. In the other, laws are repealed, requiring a 1/3 minority. If a law cannot be supported by 2/3 of the people, what good is it? And if 1/3 of the people cannot tolerate its existence, why have it?

    my own view would be very similar to the above, except that repealing a law would take a simple 1/2 majority, to prevent "thrashing".

    anyway, what do I know? I'm just a stupid WC3-nicked troll.

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  37. Re:Great, there goes more of our freedom by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Governments also side with big business because big business employs people. Maybe not as many as you want them to but there are still a lot of paychecks written out by big business.

    And yet it's the small businesses that employ and drive our economy much more than the big businesses. Yet small businesses don't get much more say than individuals.