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Where's GNU/Linux Usage Headed?

deego writes: "Here are the plots of GNU/Linux number of users, on a regular scale , and on a log scale . Though projections have no real bearing on what actually turns out to be the numbers, they are fun :). The final projections from the two plots would seem to be a bit different to the naked eye. So, is GNU/Linx usage asymptotically headed towards, say 'all users' (first plot), or 'half a billion users' (second plot)?"

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  1. MyOS by scotch · · Score: 5, Funny
    I wrote an operating system yesterday. Today, my friend started using it as well. Based on this growth rate, every person on the planet will be using MyOS by the end of september.

    Wow!

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    1. Re:MyOS by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 3, Funny

      If current trends continue, I will live forever!

  2. Both? by jc42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So what are the errror bars on these graphs? It seems likely that they include both asymptotes.

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    1. Re:Both? by plaa · · Score: 3, Interesting
      So what are the errror bars on these graphs?

      Huge. So huge that this has absolutely no statistical meaning whatsoever. He gives some reasoning to the numbers, but as far as I can tell, he just threw those user counts from his head. He says there are 40 million Linux users today. The Linux counter fellow estimates it at 18 million.

      As he says on the estimates page:

      Of course, the only thing really shown here is that if I am allowed to pick any number, and multiply by any factor I want to, I can get any number I want to get!
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  3. Google offers interesting desktop usage stats by mTor · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Google's new Zeitgeist is out and they updated stats for the July 2002. Google keeps anon stats of users who visit their website and Linux numbers are still at 1%. They've been at 1% for a while. Mac numbers are steady at 4% as well.

    Take a look at the chart here: http://www.google.ca/press/zeitgeist.html

    1. Re:Google offers interesting desktop usage stats by madenosine · · Score: 2

      hmmm...everything seems right, but Dell as to search in Japan? hmmm...

    2. Re:Google offers interesting desktop usage stats by drsoran · · Score: 2

      There are tons more but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. I have multiple browsers, they render like shit in all of them and many of them jut give be a stupid fucking please upgrade to netscape/IE 4.x or higher error with no option to even try and render.

      Have you tried e-mailing the webmasters at those sites? I know, BMW, Lexus, and Mercedes probably doesn't care what some "stinky GNU/Linux hippie" is running as their browser because they're not going to buy a BMW, Lexus, or Mercedes, but you could pretend! Say you're running Opera or Mozilla under WindowsXP and you wanted to get info on a new BMW for the fall. Take solace in the fact that many of the people designing the web sites in question are no longer employed after the dot-bomb fallout. Being a wizard with FrontPage is no longer a key to getting a job at a fortune 500 company to do web development.. at least I hope not!

    3. Re:Google offers interesting desktop usage stats by shokk · · Score: 2

      IE goes straight to MSN and it's search search for many people.

      .

      That makes it all the more interesting that Windows should be such a big percentage. With the grassroots Linux users' opinion that Windows users are clueless, this should come as a surprise that they would change their search engine preference. I think it is going to come as a rude awakening that once people are given more of a choice to change their application settings by the latest MS service packs, that those MS users are going to try out the other options. But stay on Windows they will.


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    4. Re:Google offers interesting desktop usage stats by RedWizzard · · Score: 2
      And I conjecture that, Google being low on the advertising and high on the usefulness, it is more popular among Linux users (being *slightly* more knowledgeable than the average user). Thus the proportion of Linux visitors to Google is way above the true proportion of Linux users on the Internet.
      A year ago you would have been right but now Google is decidely mainstream. Check out the total search hours per month graphs in these two reports. Google is by far and away the leading search engine now.
    5. Re:Google offers interesting desktop usage stats by friedmud · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hmmm....

      I am using Mozilla 1.1Beta on Gentoo Linux and I can see all of the sites you list above perfectly. And I mean perfectly - absolutely no glitches (even all the car ones)

      It could be because I am using the crossover plugin - but I just don't know.

      Maybe you should try out the newest mozilla, it seems to be extremely compatible.

      Derek

    6. Re:Google offers interesting desktop usage stats by RedWizzard · · Score: 2

      Which bit of "total search hours per month" confused you? Audience reach and even referal numbers don't mean much. Audience reach is heavily influenced by the fact that Yahoo and MSN are portals (i.e. not everyone is going there to search), and the numbers are almost identical in any case. Using referals actually penalises better search engines because users are not hitting so many false results. Total search hours per month OTOH indicates exactly where people are doing their searching and Google leads by a factor of 3-4.

    7. Re:Google offers interesting desktop usage stats by quinto2000 · · Score: 2

      I complained to my online banking institution, and they fixed the problem.

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    8. Re:Google offers interesting desktop usage stats by RedWizzard · · Score: 2
      Easy to do :-)

      The reports highlight audience reach because that's what advertisers are interested in. It's a stupid metric though.

  4. not to mention... by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That using .ps for an image on the web is just dumb. There are already several standard formats for images on the web, PNG being one of the better ones.

    Hell, I'm currently running Mozilla on Debian and it can't even display the .ps (I have to download it and open it in ghostview, which is annoying).

    1. Re:not to mention... by vsync64 · · Score: 4, Informative
      These graphs consist of text and vector drawings. Why on earth would you suggest that PNG, a raster image file format, is at all appropriate? Secondly, Mozilla should easily let you set up what we in the biz call a "helper app". This will let you single-left-click and have the document automatically appear in the appropriate viewer.

      I do agree, however, that raw PostScript is perhaps not the most appropriate format. May I suggest PDF? It's basically a wrapper for a large subset of PostScript, and there are viewers for most every platform. It also has compression built-in.

      Personally, I'm just wondering why 2 images with no surrounding document for context, and no real discussion rather than a retarded blurb in italics would be regarded as an "article".

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    2. Re:not to mention... by kilrogg · · Score: 5, Informative

      You should install "plugger", it allows a great deal of apps to act as pluggins for Mozilla.

    3. Re:not to mention... by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 2

      I normally try and avoid "installing" things called "Plugger" from "hubbe.net"

      call me paranoid...

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  5. Re:MyOS (and Elvis) by jc42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some time in the early 90's, someone calculated that if the trend at the time continued, by 2020 three quarters of the world's population would be Elvis imitators.

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  6. slightly diffrent, but also usefull by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 5, Informative

    mail from "Barry Schnitt"
    Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:49:14 -0700
    to "Sean Fritz"
    cc
    subject Re: Zeitgeist item suggestion
    memo Dear Sean,

    We continue to update, expand and improve the Google Zeitgeist. Thank you
    for you suggestion. For now, I have included the June percentages for
    browsers below. If you have any further questions, please let me know.

    Browsers
    --------------
    MS 6.0--37
    MS 5.5--25
    MS 5.0--25
    MS 4.0--2
    Net 4.x--4
    Other--7

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    1. Re:slightly diffrent, but also usefull by aminorex · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem with these numbers is that many browsers
      are forced to announce themselves at windows, as
      internet exploder, in order to gain access to
      some content of interest.

      The statistics are *reported* platforms. There is
      a strong motivation for linux users to lie in
      their reports.

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    2. Re:slightly diffrent, but also usefull by orkysoft · · Score: 2

      Or you could mail the website maintainers, asking that they remove the block. (Or asking them how much Microsoft is paying them to block people without MSIE.)

      Don't forget to mention the competing sites that don't block non-MSIE UserAgents, though. It's motivating :-)

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  7. Re:postscript by nutznboltz · · Score: 2, Informative

    What can a microsoft peon like myself view a postscript file with?

    What you're not running CygWin with XFree86 and GNU ghostscript on your Windows box?

    While running Windows go to those web sites and click on "Install Now" on each of them to run setup for each free product. If you have enough disk space you will eventually have the X Window System and a UNIX emulator running on your box. To update the system at a later date just use "install now" again.

  8. PNG has native browser support by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    And beyond that, it's very good at displaying text and vector drawings, because the large solid-color areas that such drawings tend to have compress very well.

    Sure, it's not the ideal format to store a vector graphic in for future editing, but for display it's perfectly fine.

  9. Re:postscript by Raleel · · Score: 2

    Of course, that's like telling him he needs internet explorer to run windows.

    A simple google search for "postscript viewer windows" turned up good results.

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  10. Re:there's no built-in viewer for GNU/Linux either by gimpboy · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    or use imagemagik:

    $convert bob.ps bob.jpg

    it comes with most distros.

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  11. Re:postscript by nutznboltz · · Score: 2, Funny

    But everybody should be running GNU and X11. There's no excuse. :)

  12. Linx usage is up! by HeavensTrash · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, is GNU/Linx usage asymptotically headed towards, say 'all users' (first plot),

    Yes, eventually all people will be using linx. With it's frame support, it is highly superior to the the older, yet more established lynx.

  13. Yes, it is asymptotic by Alsee · · Score: 2

    GNU/Linx usage asymptotically headed towards zero, eventually. Same goes for MSWindows, or any other OS you care to name.

    Eventually it will be replaced by something that hasn't been created yet. Or, taking the really long view, you can choose from: "The Big Crunch", proton decay, or the heat death of the universe.

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  14. Does anyone else find it depressing... by SlashChick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that since June 2001 (the first month when OS stats were available), that Windows 98 usage has only dropped from 12% (from 55% to 43% of Google users)?

    Windows 2000 and XP have obvious benefits over Windows 98 -- stability being the biggest one, but also a true multi-user OS with protected memory, a real task manager, etc. They also run almost 100% of the existing Windows 98 programs.

    So, if people won't switch off something as flaky as Windows 98 on to 2000 or XP, what makes anyone think that these people will switch to something like Linux (which can't even promise that your old programs will run on it)?

    This isn't a troll... it's something we all need to think about.

    The fact that the majority of people using Google are still using Windows 98 says volumes: even if Windows 98 is flaky; even if Windows 98 crashes or gives weird errors; even if Microsoft makes something better that promises near-100% compatibility with their old programs -- people aren't switching. The question that must be asked is: why?

    1. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 2

      Because MS's "solutions" cost money, so if there isn't a real problem no way is anyone going to fork over cash. The majority of america won't upgrade until all of a sudden thier games break after W98 expires and DirectX stops getting developed for it. W98 is the best OS from almost every aspect if you aern't worried about a crash once a day, and your more interested in cost/performance than stability/stupid features that only "l33t" that watch TechTV could possibly find usefull.

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    2. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by MobyDisk · · Score: 2

      The parent post brings up a very very important question, perhaps the very crux of the state of Linux today.

      ...So, if people won't switch off something as flaky as Windows 98 on to 2000 or XP, what makes anyone think that these people will switch to something like Linux...?

      There is a very easy answer: There must be something more important to them than any of those factors. But what could it be? Maybe that doesn't sound very profound, but I think that there are many things that the Linux community is missing the boat on.

      BTW - Posted using Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)

    3. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by haggar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'll tell you why: because they either don't have the money (like me) or don't consider it worth.

      Dear friend, the cycle of upgrades has been way too quick, and even though I am sure Gates would love us all to upgrade everytime Microsoft burps up a new version of Windows, people just got annoyed with cashing out every year. When Win95 came out, everybody thought it would be the greatest OS we'll ever need. As people started using Win95 they realized how f*cked up it really is, but they started getting used to it. Then came Win98, and it didn't make any difference in stability, and really very little in functionality. And then came Win98 SE, and it changed so little that, no doubt, many got burned right there right then.

      There is, of course, the corporate market that is more faitful to MS, and mostly they are the buyers of Win2000. But as recession sat in, even corporations started to press on the breaks. Point in case: in my company only about a third of the desktops have been upgraded to Win2000, the restis still happily running WinNT or, on laptops, Win98SE.

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    4. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The fact that the majority of people using Google are still using Windows 98 says volumes: even if Windows 98 is flaky; even if Windows 98 crashes or gives weird errors; even if Microsoft makes something better that promises near-100% compatibility with their old programs -- people aren't switching. The question that must be asked is: why?


      Because switching is an investment of time and money, and if someone has a working computer, why bother? The humorous reality is that Microsoft is their own biggest competitor to people upgrading: Even running Windows 98 you can still run IE 6.0, for example. Of course Microsoft has started to see the satisfaction that people have with their current OS, so things like Media Player are now only coming out in new versions for XP, for instance.


      Personally I find it very hard to believe that as many people use Windows 2000 as Google reports: Windows 2000 is a `professional' OS, and it was never marketed or really sold to the home population (and it's expensive as well), yet 20% of Google users use it? I have to guess that that 20% is mostly corporate users, or developers.

    5. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by mclearn · · Score: 2

      Linux host + VMWare + Win98SE guest = crashproof Win98SE.

    6. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:

      Bzzzt, go to maths class. Go directly to maths class. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

      43% isn't the majority of people.

      Of course not. A majority still means "more than 50%" ... the most recent US Presidential election notwithstanding. :)
    7. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by FyRE666 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It'd be interesting if slashdot had a few stats concerning OS and browser usage available to view. Here's the analog stats for OS use amongst visitors to my web server here at home on my ADSL line - it's only advertised on slashdot, so it's a pretty good measure of the OS slashdotters use (at least the ones that visit my server):


      no. reqs pages OS

      1: 272024: 110492: Windows
      : 115335: 46976: Windows XP
      : 64394: 26984: Windows 2000
      : 55761: 25105: Unknown Windows
      : 27537: 8576: Windows 98
      : 3458: 1344: Windows ME
      : 2828: 1317: Windows NT
      : 2697: 187: Windows 95
      : 5: 3: Windows 3.1
      : 9: 0: Windows 32-bit
      2: 66184: 31302: Unix
      : 61669: 28955: Linux
      : 3542: 1828: BSD
      : 654: 356: SunOS
      : 231: 115: Other Unix
      : 28: 22: IRIX
      : 46: 17: OSF1
      : 14: 9: AIX
      3: 25198: 12846: Macintosh
      : 24955: 12666: Macintosh PowerPC
      : 155: 97: Macintosh 68k
      : 88: 83: Unknown Macintosh
      4: 20107: 4163: OS unknown
      5: 39: 26: Amiga
      6: 35: 25: RISC OS
      7: 20: 15: Known robots
      8: 29: 15: BeOS
      9: 10: 5: WebTV


      What's really scary is that Win3.1 is still in use - although I'm guessing it's a robot/joke. Nice to see there's almost as my Linux users as Win2K! The WinXP stats are exagerated as I use it on my desktop, and I've been testing new scripts on the server lately...
    8. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by VAXman · · Score: 2

      It means that a lot of people browse from work.

    9. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by shokk · · Score: 2

      The Win98SE portion is still a license sold to Microsoft. The VMWare is yet another thing to purchase, and it they're less likely to spend the money for that than an MS upgrade.

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    10. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by geekoid · · Score: 2

      XP is too expensive and too restrictive.
      I won't own it unless they change there EULA.
      And releasing a 100 piece of software that most people consider to be an upgrade, during economic down turn,is gooing to kill sales.
      if the home version of XP was 20 bucks, I would probable be the only person running 98.

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    11. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Quarters · · Score: 5, Insightful
      people aren't switching. The question that must be asked is: why?


      The answer is simple -- The masses view their computers the same way they view their televisions, stereos, and vcrs. They're appliances. They'll use whatever OS comes on the computer they bought up until the day they buy a new computer. Then they'll use the OS that comes on that one, etc...

      Average users aren't geeks. Average users don't care about the pros/cons of a given OS. They just want an OS that will run the shelves of software they see in Best Buy.

    12. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2

      Windows 2000 and XP have obvious benefits over Windows 98 -- stability being the biggest one, but also a true multi-user OS with protected memory, a real task manager, etc.

      Probably the dumber people don't know how to upgrade their operating systems and the smarter people don't want to sell their souls. The bulk of the market would be the former, who use their computers probably an hour a day to browse and e-mail. It doesn't take a whole lot of OS horsepower to do that.

    13. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by ivan256 · · Score: 2

      Excuse me, but why should I shell out any more cash when 98 works just fine. The additional stability can't justify the over $100 price tag for the upgrade. Perhaps you have lots of cast buring a hole in your pocket (or perhaps you warez your OS), but until I absolutely have to upgrade, then I'll spend my money on better things.

    14. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by ivan256 · · Score: 2

      I know of companies that still use Windows 3.11. They have custom software written for Access, and microsoft broke compatability when they released Access 97, so they stay with Windows 3.11. It always amazes me how blazingly fast windows 3.11 is on newer hardware. Almost all non DirectX windows 98 and 2000 software works in Windows 3.11 still, so they're in no rush to upgrade.

    15. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by aminorex · · Score: 2

      the "unknown windows" are probably linux boxes
      with their user-agent set so that they can get
      into microsoft-only web sites.

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    16. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by aminorex · · Score: 2

      If you make much use of your computer, I imagine
      you suffer frequent BSOD after your OS install ages
      for a while. I expect to reinstall any win98se
      system after 12 months of use -- windows 95, 98fe,
      and MEd, significantly less. If you have the
      option when that happens, it's a good time to switch
      to Windows 2000 Pro, the only reasonably performant
      and functional operating system Microsoft ever
      produced (or will produce, I expect, given the DRM/
      Palladium thrust). If you get a copy of Windows
      2000 from a friend, it only costs you $0.40 for
      a CD-R.

      Of course, for a substantial boost in performance
      and stability, with equivalent ease-of-use, you
      could always download or buy Mandrake or RedHat
      and use KDE3.0.x.

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    17. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by cobar · · Score: 2

      The shipping release of Win 95 was probably the worst OS Microsoft ever put out (I never saw Windows 3.0). While they did fix a lot of bugs with OSR 2, that release was never made available unless you purchased a new computer and OSR 1 (Win 95A) fixed like 0 bugs. Meanwhile if you bought Win 95 when it first came out, it was liable to have Explorer corrupt itself so thoroughly you couldn't even start the computer, make the icons lose their image and not be fixable, and a horrible TCP/IP dialup stack that tended to corrupt itself. It was on an order of days before you could expect to see one of these problems, whereas Win 98 generally degrades much more gracefully over a period of months and stays fairly useable for quite a while.

      The only fix at the time was to wipe the OS and install a copy of OSR 2 from someone else's new computer. And even against OSR 2 Win 98 was a bit better, especially if you made the mistake of integrating IE on Win 95 causing it to explode in a giant ball of flame.

      Win 98 was not great, but it generally got the job done...for a while, back when your only other choices were NT 4 with crappy game support and Red Hat = 5.2.

    18. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by cooldev · · Score: 2

      Almost all non DirectX windows 98 and 2000 software works in Windows 3.11 still, so they're in no rush to upgrade.

      Absolutely false. You can't possibly believe that. No modern (Win32) software works on Windows 3.11 unless the developer spent a significant amount of work porting it. And by significant, I mean it'd be far more feasable to port between Win32 and Linux than bring something down to Win16. Yuck.

    19. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by rseuhs · · Score: 2
      What do majorities have to do with elections in the US? You need the *most* votes, not the majority of votes.

      Well, in a real democracy, you need the majority, getting "most" is not enough.

    20. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by rseuhs · · Score: 2

      I think Linux marketshare in the USA will increase impressively as soon as people realize that there are other distributions much better for the desktop than RedHat.

    21. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2

      It doesn't make sense to blame Access 97 for not upgrading from Win 3.11 - Access 95 was a 32bit app for Windows 95, and Access 2 would probably run fine even on XP, and it definately works on 95/98.

    22. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Moritz+Moeller+-+Her · · Score: 2

      You have no fucking idea of what you are talking about. Windows3.11 can run 32bit win software using win32s extensions.

      Using Calmira (http://www.calmira.org) win-3.11 is prettier than win95 and more usable, too.

      I never saw any need to update from win-3.11 to win-4.0 aka win95. I updated to SuSE Linux-5.0 in the end :)

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    23. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Znork · · Score: 2

      Actually, Windows 98 isnt very flaky at all. If you use it correctly.

      The problem is that a lot of people believe that Windows 98 is a multi-application operating system. Its isnt. It's a single application operating environment. That means, you make a clean install of Windows 98, and then install the application or game you wish to use. If you wish to use a second application you must first reinstall Windows 98, then install the other application you wish to use. Or, get another computer to run your second application.

      The same applies to hardware, of course. You never ever change hardware in a Windows 98 system. You install the new hardware and then reinstall the operating environment from scratch.

      This trick works fairly well because now you're matching a configuration that everyone's testing against. And using it that way you can get weeks and months of crashfree computing with Windows 98.

      And of course, this makes Windows 98 useful for certain categories of users. Linux users who keep it around for a few games, and the ones who use their computer as a dust-collecting surf-once-per-week terminal. For those categories the new offerings from MS have nothing to offer.

      Of course, the 'power users' who want to install more than one application can get rather frustrated by something like that and should probably upgrade (altho I doubt XP will prove resistant to the usual bitrot that tends to happen to MS OS's once you install a few too many drivers and apps). And, of course, they would probably be better off 'power using' Linux anyway :).

    24. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Robert+The+Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You happen to be right on this one. I do tech support and I am already starting to see Windows XP Home Systems that are having "bitrot" already. Things like spyware and adware are taken a straight on XP already.

    25. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Yunzil · · Score: 2

      The question that must be asked is: why?

      In my case it's because 98 (SE) isn't that flaky. All I use my home PC for is playing games, mudding, email, newsgroups, the occasional small Word document, watching DVDs, and dowloading pr0... I mean, surfing the Web. And I almost never have a problem, although the JRE 1.4 for Mozilla makes it go slightly wacky sometimes. But then, it makes my NT box at work go wacky too.

      I realize I am probably in the minority with regards to stability and 98, but my answer to why I don't switch is that I have no reason (and I HAVE a copy of XP).

    26. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Yunzil · · Score: 2

      If you wish to use a second application you must first reinstall Windows 98, then install the other application you wish to use. Or, get another computer to run your second application.

      The same applies to hardware, of course. You never ever change hardware in a Windows 98 system. You install the new hardware and then reinstall the operating environment from scratch.


      Oh bullshit. I'm running 98SE at home. Hardware-wise I've changed modems twice, added more memory, and added a DVD combo drive. I have at least a half dozen games installed plus most of the standard MS crud, the DVD software, the image software that came with my digital camera, etc, etc. And I've never had to reinstall.

    27. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by battjt · · Score: 2

      Well, I was employed for almost a year maintaining and porting Win16 to Win32.

      There were quite a few changes we had to make.

      Remember, a lot of custom code out there ships when it works, not when it is done right. Things that worked due to a nasty side effects in Win16 failed to work in Win32 or worse, crashed the system.

      Joe

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    28. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Nathaniel · · Score: 2
      "If you get a copy of Windows 2000 from a friend, it only costs you $0.40 for a CD-R."

      It is that sort of logic that led us to the sorry state we are in, where MicroSoft has a bogus lead in the desktop market share, not because they had software people were willing to pay MicroSoft's price for, but because they were willing to steal from MicroSoft.

      When people complain that it doesn't make sense for so many people to still be running '98, and "don't they know better", they should realize the timing of MicroSoft's attempts to crack down on "software piracy".

      In the meantime, enjoy your stolen operating system, but please stop whining about the defects, afterall, you didn't even pay for the damn thing.

    29. Re:Does anyone else find it depressing... by Nathaniel · · Score: 2
      "In a real democracy you need all of the voters to get together to vote on all of the issues. "

      You appear to have confused 'real democracy' with 'pure democracy', which is generally only ever real for a short time with a very small group of people.

      Of course, the concept of 'democracy' is irrelevant to the US elections that were being discussed, as the US is elegedly a representative republic that in fact acts as a hereditary feudal confederacy with delusions of electoral integrity.

  15. THE REASONS: by Roadmaster · · Score: 2

    1- upgrading costs money, most people don't understand the benefits enough to want to spend money on it. (i.e. people so used to Win98 crashing every 2 hours, they just can't comprehend there's a way to stop that).

    2- A lot of people can't afford a PC powerful enough for WinXP or Win2k. I, for one, sure can't :)

  16. I feel compelled to add... by SlashChick · · Score: 2

    that Amazon.com has the Windows XP Home Edition upgrade for $79.00.

    I don't really agree that money is the true factor. I think, to partially answer my own question, that the "good enough" factor kicks in after a while. I suppose at this point people just expect computers to crash once a day (or more). It's a frustrating attitude, but it shows that "more stability" apparently isn't compelling enough to get Grandma to upgrade.

    So how do you get Grandma to upgrade? What features of Linux can you sell Grandma on? Or do you just let her keep runnning Windows 98 and expecting it to crash once a day?

    1. Re:I feel compelled to add... by ivan256 · · Score: 2

      I'd like to point out that for $79 I could either upgrade to a 1.5ghz processor, or "upgrade" to Windows XP home edition. First of all, Windows XP Professional is required if you don't want to loose some functionality over win98 SE, second of all the $79 from purchasing XP slows my system down, while the processor speeds it up. Third, I'd have digital rights management shoved down my throat. Finally, I'd get a bloated ugly slow interface, and I'd still have to reboot just as often. (I work in Linux, so I reboot once a day regardless when I switch from work to gaming. Grandma would be in the same situation because she (like most people) turns her computer off when she's not using it. She never sees Win98 crash.

      So, in summary: Money is the primary factor, and lack of tangable benifit is the other factor.

    2. Re:I feel compelled to add... by Leto2 · · Score: 2
      So you are saying that $79 is not a lot of money? It is, especially if the OS (98?) you are running is perfectly fine as it is.

      $79 becomes even more money in countries where the absurd exchange rate of the US Dollar makes Windows outrageously expensive. In Europe (Netherlands), I saw XP (full version) for sale for E270. That's about 1/10th of a monthly salary. Don't tell me XP is cheap.

      Other than that, my laptop won't run XP. Dell doesn't support it, meaning no ACPI, PCMCIA, all those things you cannot live without on a laptop.

      I'll keep on hitting Slashdot with my 98 that came with the laptop. Works great! All I run is Mozilla and putty, anyway.

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    3. Re:I feel compelled to add... by aminorex · · Score: 2

      You might prefer windows 2000 pro, since it won't
      (with media player 6.4) choke you with DRM management, or demand a blood sample when you
      upgrade your harddrive, and it uses less resources.
      It's substantially faster than XP or 9x in most
      existing environments for most applications.

      I just copied a friend's disk, and it cost me
      about $0.40 for the CD-R.

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    4. Re:I feel compelled to add... by aminorex · · Score: 2

      What's illegal? Everytime I buy a computer I get
      a Windows license. I *always* give it to someone
      else, and keep the original media for archive,
      if any. (If none, as in too many crippled OEM
      installs, I just give them a copy of one of the
      archive CDs.) But I don't give away 9x licenses,
      cos I don't want to be responsible for their
      headaches.

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  17. Re:PNG is not appropriate for most graphs by Verizon+Guy · · Score: 2

    No, PNG is not "perfectly fine" for displaying graphs on the web.

    Is that why most perl-based graphics routine-using programs (namely MRTG and RRDTool) use PNG as their graphing format?

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  18. You forgot the internet. by FreeLinux · · Score: 2

    Hello? Ever heard of AOL?

    Guaranteed that most of them haven't heard of Google.

  19. Meaningless by KidSock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I may have been pretty horrible at math but I would feel very confident about walking over and plunking these guys over the head with a big rubber bat for publishing these nonsense plots. Three data points?! Are you kidding me? They obviously freehanded those dotted lines which could have been in the perpendicular direction and maintain the same statistical significance. All these graphs prove is that there are a lot more "gnulinux-users" in 1998 than there were in 1992 and 1993.

  20. Re:GNU/Linux by rasterizerjay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uhm, IBM does does that. What's cooler than a cute penguin, a heart and a peace sign?

  21. Yes, I think it may well benefit from... by leonbrooks · · Score: 2

    ...at least two more sample points, one in about 1995/6 and one in 2001 or 2002. And why not at least one every year?

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  22. Mmm..extrapolation.. by ekidder · · Score: 5, Funny
    I love extrapolations. I do. They let you determine things which may have no effect on reality. I refer you to this. I wish I knew the author. I first saw it on Usenet long ago.

    Scientists have shown that the moon is moving away at a tiny, although measurable distance from the earth every year. If you do the math, you can calculate that 85 million years ago, the moon was orbiting the earth at a distance of about 35 feet from the earth's surface. This would explain the death of the dinosaurs...the tallest ones, anyway.

  23. Why isn't this posted under "humor"? by Have+Blue · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do the editors actually believe these graphs have any significance or even basis in reality?

  24. Re:hello by The+Bungi · · Score: 2, Funny
    Where do you people come from? I mean - is there some sort of obscure, far away gigantic cavernous research facility where they keep massive test tubes filled with copies of Free As In Beer (TM) advocate clones who can't spell to save their lives? And then periodically release them to the world armed with the Slackware ISOs, a "First Post" T-shirt, a printed copy of the Halloween document and a modem?

    Is this where the GNU "Black Ops" budget goes?

  25. Resurgence of BSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now that Apple is shipping more BSD boxes than all the other incompatible fragmented *linux distributions combined, *linux is finally dying from greed and overcommercialization. It time we banded together and start working on the truly free BSD source code again. It has proved commercially viable and lives on in both commercial Unix(tm) offerings like Solaris and AIX, as well as truly free source offerings like FreeBSD and NetBSD. *linux is an evolutionary dead end which has cost the computing world a lot of wasted effort re-implementing what's already been implemented.

  26. Samurai accountant? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slightly off topic, but when I read this, my weird mind remembered the samurai accountant skit from old SNL. He's explaining performace, which has a peaked graph, up then down. Someone questions that, why does it go down? Belushi takes out his sword and cuts the graph out at the peak. it all goes up. Everybody is satisfied.

    67.7234597% of statistics are made up.

  27. No indication of what numbers he is using..... by hta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    having counted Linux users since 1995, I believe I know something about the error factors when estimating the Linux user population.
    This guy is not saying ONE word about where he got his numbers from; that's a new low in statistical harebrainedness.
    If I could invent my own data points, I could do considerably better than three datapoints, at least. So he's probably using someone's numbers. But whose?

  28. different targets by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    High quality scientific plotting packages dump to Postscript because the output is intended to be printed -- it's for use in reports and journal articles.

    However, what we're talking about is the web. You can embed a PNG image in a webpage. You cannot embed a PostScript image in a webpage. In fact, the only vector graphics format I know of that can be embedded in webpages with any chance of your audience being able to view it is Flash, and it's targetted primarily at vector animations, not static images.

    1. Re:different targets by Verizon+Guy · · Score: 2

      Don't forget VML - the Vector Markup Language!

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  29. Did you forget the Linux Counter? by NKJensen · · Score: 2, Informative

    This site has much more reliable data

    Best regards from Linux user #127040...

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    -- From Denmark
  30. A hundred years from now ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2



    A hundred years from now, people may not know what a ".ps" file format is.

    But I am sure, somewhere, somehow, some machine(s) still runs gnu / linux codes.

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  31. GNU/Linux vs. Linux by ONOIML8 · · Score: 2

    Another chart that would be interesting would be one showing GNU/Linux vs. Linux.

    Some of us just don't give a rats ass about the GNU part of things.

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  32. The market will either go up or down by gelfling · · Score: 2

    That's what we were told in MBA school and I believe in it strenuously.

    Linux usage will exhibit fluctuations both up and down.

    Oh? you mean complete world dominance? Nah that's just the Ecstacy talking.

  33. Because it's what was preloaded by dpilot · · Score: 2

    Most people don't change the OS on their PC, they just use what was preloaded. It's not a matter of cost, merit, or any of that stuff. Most people just don't change or load the OS. When the machine starts getting too flakey, they do one of three things:

    1: Buy a new PC, because the old one is *obviously* obsolete and broken.

    2: Reload from the recovery CD, which isn't really the same as installing from generic media.

    3: Use the computer less, until/if they get around to buying a new one.

    We curse the preloads, because they're behind Microsoft's market lock. But the same inertia denies Microsoft the upgrade revenue they'd like, as well. I suspect that PC makers actually like the flakiness of Windows, because it helps drive new PC sales.

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  34. Linux is good. by da5id_logik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I use Linux. The reason why I use Linux is because it simply doesn't crash and it actually uses the hardware I have underneath it. I had an incedent a couple of months ago where my Cheetah 10k died - drive motor burned out - but I was still able to use anything open... Now trying to open somthing caused errors, but the OS was still running. How is that for stability? Anyway, I am glad that people are still out there running windows. It gives me job security -- really it means that I am at least 6 months to a year ahead of the learning curve. You have to understand: Microsoft stole most of what they have and they continue to piss people off by trying to push out their competitors. The SEC has also told them to stop misstating their earnings... It is only a matter of time before that giant falls over and slays itself with it's own sword. So Windows users, cheers! Keep it up! You are making sure that I am employed when all your little icons get changed out for conf files. Anyway, IMHO Windows is like TV. It keeps you dumb. While Linux always presents new challenges. Even if you are a guru, you can still do things like create a distribution (started this weekend, got it to boot!) or basically do what ever you want. There are no secrets with Linux so the possibilities are endless. Somthing to think about.

  35. Re:postscript by guisar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Be sure to ask yourself this question in reverse the next time you view a web site using Word, Powerpoint, AVI, Quicktime or some other asinine proprietary format to distribute data over the internet. As far as I'm concerned postscript was/is one of the great standard formats- great for printers, great for display and programmable! So of course it's ditched for pdf...

    Justin

  36. No Compelling Incentive to Change OS by reallocate · · Score: 2
    Forget about people who are more interested in the OS than the apps it runs -- that accounts, I suspect, for most Linux users. Then, the reason so many people continue to run Win98 is apparent: Nothing is acting as an incentive for change. If your current OS is handling everything satisfactorily, why change? Visually, the differences between Win98 and win2K are almost invisible. Even WinXP's default appearance is really new paint on the same building. So, after buying and risking the OS upgrade, they get something that looks pretty much the same. Why bother?

    Linux? Well, even if you accept the doubtful proposition that they've heard of it, it is doomed to be a nonstarter as long as no Linux apps are compelling enough to draw people away from Windows. (Forget Wine and all that. Why go thru the hassle, risk and cost of switching to Linux just to run the same apps you're running now quite happily in Windows? Again, why bother?)

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