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Quantum Computer Possible From Silicon Fab

Cash Mitchell writes: "This article from the EE Times says 'Researchers at the University of Wisconsin in Madison claim to have created the world's first successful simulation of a quantum-computer architecture that uses existing silicon fabrication techniques.... With existing fabrication techniques, the team estimates that a million-quantum-dot computer (1,024 x 1,024 array) could be built today and operated in the megahertz range.'"

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  1. The simulation works perfectly.... by pollock · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...unless of course you try to look at the results.

  2. Schrodinger must die! by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 5, Funny

    How many cats will be sacrificed to test a 1024x1024 quantum array I wonder?

    1. Re:Schrodinger must die! by Myco · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, it was going to be zero, but you just had to ASK, didn't you?

  3. So, what can a million qubits calculate? by awfar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What are practical, everyday use? (besides breaking incredibly big and long keys to steal identities) These things operate at room temperature and are small and cheap enough for everyone to have.

    A personal weather forecaster, fluid dynamic calculating, realtime, 3d cellphone with a cute ring tone? Or a wash machine that can predict el nino's?

    Help me here...

    1. Re:So, what can a million qubits calculate? by Misanthropic+Lycanth · · Score: 4, Informative
      Quantum computer science is still in its infancy. There are some algorithms out there which operate much quicker than their classical counterparts (e.g. factoring, searching). There are others that are impossible. For instance, it is impossible to copy a qubit.

      This book is pretty good. It's used at my university to teach an intro course in quantum computing.

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    2. Re:So, what can a million qubits calculate? by huntz0r · · Score: 5, Funny

      For instance, it is impossible to copy a qubit.

      I can already hear the RIAA running like hell to back this technology.

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    3. Re:So, what can a million qubits calculate? by dillon_rinker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow, you mean the presence of popular books means it's not academically rigorous? Guess it's never been done for relativity...or quantum mechanics...or DNA...or cosmology...or nuclear physics...or orbital mechanics...or...

      Obviously, my point is that most interesting and/or obviously practical areas of science have been popularized. This says nothing about the rigor of the field of study. I'd point out that popularization is NECESSARY, You've seen "Contact," right? Jodie Foster plays the 'good' scientist who doesn't play politics and exepcts EVERYONE to automatically feel and believe the way she does; the movie is a fantasy, so everything turns out OK, but in real life, the super-conducting super-collider gets cancelled because some senators didn't understand what they were funding. Some better popularization (ie education of the non-scientific, non-technical public - that's 90% of the voters, you know) could have made the difference.

    4. Re:So, what can a million qubits calculate? by dillon_rinker · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Computer...find me the drivers."
      (GooglePersonal does some context checking for the generic term "driver" and comes up blank...)
      "Do you want driver software for hardware attached to this computer, or are you looking for people who drive cars, or are you looking or something else?"
      "No, no...the printer drivers."
      (GooglePersonal polls the OS for a list of installed printers)
      "Do you want drivers for the Fax/Scanner/Printer or for the color laser printer?"
      "The color laser."
      (GooglePersonal queries the printer for its manufacturer and model ID)
      "Do you want to search only the manufacturer's web site?"
      "Yes."
      (GooglePersonal does the relevant search and returns 1 hit, a link that says "Click here to download and install the most up-to-date drivers for your printer.)
      "Only one hit? I wonder if it's the right one...and what am I supposed to do with it? DEAR! WHAT'S OUR SON'S PHONE NUMBER?"

  4. Re:uh-oh by Myco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uh, hate to burst the bubble of your little security apocalypse, but encryption schemes which will baffle quantum computers have been worked out for a while now, well in advance of the hardware's availability. Of course, for all I know it may *take* a quantum computer to implement these schemes (otherwise it seems like we'd just use them now), which would create two security classes of users, one of whom could penetrate the other's security at will. Yikes.

  5. Re:megahertz? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Coventional quantum computing is described by a network diagram. This can be translated into a sequence of computational steps, one or two qubit gates acting on selected qubits. The simplest QC architecture would be to run one gate at a time.

    Parallel exucution of gates can be arranged (as long as gates act on different qubits) but this is highly dependent on the actual physical system used (ion trap, neutral atom trap, optical lattice, solid state nuclear spin, electron dots, SQUIDs etc).

    The key figure of merit is the ratio of gate execution time to the decoherence time. Current estimates of error correction efficiency place the upper bound of this ration at 10^-4 or so (this actually also depends on the ratio of the number logical qubits to physical qubits, sacrificing one for the other). Since quantum dots have very short relaxation times, this places severe constraints on the high speed control electronics. I'll wait for the pre-print or paper before coming to any conclusion on the report. There's still the problem of constructing the damn thing, the purity of the silicon, cooling, EM noise and readout (which isn't mentioned in the article). I'm wary of the heterostructure approach, getting pure silicon to work is hard enough (ask the UNSW guys).

    Cheers,
    D.
    (Not a solid state expert)

  6. Re:Yes, but ... by tunah · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's no problem factoring big primes. I can do it in constant time. Big composites is a problem.

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  7. For the physics-savvy by carambola5 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I truly take pride in this discovery... mostly because I attend UW. But I suppose a love of physics helps in that area, too.

    Anyways, here's a somewhat technical article regarding the research (PDF).


    Oh, and "On Wisconsin!"

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  8. Is this the end of privacy? by Sanity · · Score: 3, Interesting
    One of the wonderful things about assymetric cryptography is that it removed the need for secure transmission of private keys, an expensive process that in many cases made cryptography the sole-preserve of governments and other powerful organisations.

    Quantum computers could render assymetric crypto next-to-useless, and as-such may permenantly set electronic privacy back decades for all but the super-powerful.

    Those that claim quantum cryptography will redress this problem don't understand that quantum crypto will likely be even more expensive than secure symmetric cryptography.

    In essence, the advent of quantum computers may be the turning point, the point where advances in computer communication are no-longer tools of freedom, but become, once more, tools of the powerful.

  9. Several thousand qubits is enough... by tbo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...to break RSA. Specifically, I believe that Shor's Algorithm requires 3n qubits, where n is the number of bits of the number you're trying to factor. Multiply by a factor of five to allow some error correction, and you need about 15k qubits to crack 1024-bit RSA.

    I work in the field (still an undergrad, but I'm doing some research), and I had the opportunity to meet Michael Nielsen a little while ago when he visited the Perimeter Institute and the University of Waterloo. Nielsen is one of the two authors of the book you mentioned. Out of curiousity, what university do you go to, Misanthropic?

    1. Re:Several thousand qubits is enough... by Uller-RM · · Score: 5, Informative

      It needs 2n + 1 qubits; you start with a superposition, raise it to a power, then measure the result, collapsing the first superposition into a subset of logarithms. The discrete log step is the clincher: once you know the number has a log, you can just perform a Fourier transform on the superposition of logs, and the rest is all number theory.

      And yes, you realistically need a LOT of extra qubits for error-correcting codes.

      (Just for completeness, the University of Portland used this text for a 400-level semester course on QC. It's not too bad, although it expects you to be quite fluent in number theory and linear algebra.)

  10. Before all you closed minded people dismiss this.. by xtal · · Score: 3

    http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/index.html
    http:// www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/

    Have a long hard look at that first link before you ignorantly dismiss this person's opinion.

    There is a lot of research into this - the ability for thought to influence the outcome of random calculations and events. It's been years since I looked into any of this, the most common experiment is a depiction of a random number generator that you can make devitate from a true random distribution over time by willing it to do so.

    Maybe there's something there, maybe there isn't, but you don't just dismiss or accept it out of hand without looking at experimental evidence yay or nay.

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  11. Windows == Quantum Computing! by Myriad · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't Windows make your computer a quantum computer?

    You never know its stability state until you attempt an operation. Upon doing so you can't tell what it will do next.

    (With apologies to Mr. Schrodinger and Mr. Heisenberg)

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  12. Quantum computing, Penrose, and AI by Goonie · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Penrose's assertion that human intelligence is non-algorithmic may or may not be true; however, most mathematicians and logicians who have studied his proof think it's hopelessly flawed.

    As for the use of quantum computers in AI - at present, nobody has provided an example of a vaguely AI-related problem that quantum computers of the type currently being studied would be useful for. Somebody may do so in the future, of course. In any case, anything that can be done on a quantum computer can be simulated on a normal one (in a theoretical sense, it may take till the end of the universe to do so). They don't give you the ability to compute anything "non-algorithmic".

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  13. Re:uh-oh by eddeye · · Score: 3, Informative

    There was a recent discussion about quantum computers (QCs) on sci.crypt. The consensus is, given a powerful enough QC, all public-key methods (RSA, Diffe-Helman, Elliptic Curve systems, etc) are badly broken by Shor's algorithm.

    But symmetric ciphers (AES, DES, Blowfish, Serpent, etc) only have their effective key length cut in half, as a consequence of Grover's algorithm for searching an unordered list in O(sqrt(N)) time. So 64-bit keys become crackable with 2^32 work, and 128-bit keys in 2^64 work. Using 256-bit symmetric keys is considered sufficient to negate the threat of QCs.

    I'm not sure about other cryptographic constructs such as PRNGs (Yarrow, ANSI X9.17) or hash functions (SHA-1, MD5), but I'm guessing at worst you would just have to double the size of the internal state to achieve security levels comparable to today.

    Disclaimer: IANAC (I am not a cryptographer) but I do know quite a few.

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  14. Yeah, yeah, yeah by SIGFPE · · Score: 3
    A quantum computer isn't just the sum of its parts (technically it's the product, the tensor product). You just can't go sticking individual components together and expect that the combined system is going to be able to maintain coherence. I bet that if they build a 1024x1024 array they'll be using almost all of it to do the quantum error correction for just a handful of useful quantum bits.


    Either this story has been severely garbled by journalists or its an outright lie designed to get funding.

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