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AndyAMPohl writes "An article from Yahoo! News mentions IBM plugging washers and dryers into the internet. This has several advantages: coins aren't needed since credit cards are accepted, the machines can be monitored through the web for maintenance purposes and to see if there are any machines available, and users can even control things like add soap!" The eSuds homepage has informations, FAQs, etc.
...internet connect appliances were all washed up?
*groan*
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Does this mean IBM can help me find all the socks I lose in the wash?
Once Microsoft DRM systems are in place on the washers and dryers, clothing can be checked for DMCA and other copyright/patent/trademark violations. Have a DeCSS shirt? The dryer door locks and refuses to release your clothes until the police can come by and talk to you. Have a company trademark on clothing which is not officially licensed? Likewise.
-Rob
Of course, this has already been done byt the Geeks at MIT
Objects in the blog are closer then they ap
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If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
I don't want to use quarters. In fact, I *hate* the fact that I have to keep all this loose change around in order to do my laundry.
.75 but one cycle never does the job).
;)
Laundry has become SO expense recently it isn't worth NOT using a CC. I have to sink in $1.00 to wash and $1.50 to dry (really
Then the washer/dryer people wouldn't have to go around and empty the damn things. That would make their lives almost too easy.
Now, if they put in some video games that take CC's I will be there. Golden Tee just better never do it or I would be more broke from that addictive piece of shit than now
Do they make anything like this for the home, maybe a simple laundry interface that lets you see where the machine is in the cycle, change options (like soap, load size or softener), or report problems with the washer to a remote terminal? Maybe even starting a wash cycle from a remote location, or pausing in the middle of a cycle if you need to use the hot water for a shower or other purpose?
I would buy one of these tomorrow, if not outrageously priced.
Geeks will never again be known for their poor heygiene due to spending days on the computer. Now with the click of a button, we can again become clean.
Xaotik Designs
"I may be quite wrong." - Socrates
A Beowulf cluster of these to finally answer the last great question of the ages:
Where does that other sock go?
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Add this to your list of College Experiences to Remember:
"Dude, your floor smells horrible."
"Yeah, I know. Nobody can do their laundry."
"Why not?"
"Some bastard hacked the laundry server. Again."
"Damn, that's m4d l33t, d00d."
Just imagine when you come into your laundry room to find it full of suds and your clothes shrunk so much it wouldn't fit on your kids. "I'll p4ck3t j00r w45h3r lolol"
Hello gentlemen.
What you say?
All your socks are belong to us!
do not read this line twice.
* Imagine a beowulf cluster of washing machines!
* Someone slashdotted my dryer!
* Overclocked washer shrunk my clothes!
and ofcourse...
* But does it run Linux?
Do you have to go through run-level "spin" to reboot?
...I've seen The Silence of the Lambs a few times, and the "machine availability" option bothers me. I can easily envision some sicko sitting at his PC at 3AM, surfing the all the laundromats around the local university, searching for one with just one dryer running.
Hopefully, there'll be video surveillance (did I just say that?), with a closed-circuit recorded feed and signs indicating constant monitoring. Also, adjusting the web interface to display simply that at least n machines are available might negate just that sort of abuse.
I will never buy, purchase, or patronize any new product or service that uses the prefix 'e'. It's a tag from the days of the dotcom, when electronic hype ruled the market. Now it's all BS. eSuds, eWipes, eFood, eService, eClothes...
eNOUGH!
There was one eensy tiny problem when they set it up, though... somebody misconfigured the machines, so that they tried to set themselves up as router/gateways for our network... no Internet for Mac for about a week until they figured out what was going on...
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute chat with the average voter."
--Winston Churchill
The need to actually get up, walk to the machine, and put clothes in the washer, as well as take them out and put them in the dryer.
A laundromat near me has gone the route of laundry cards that you can fill up with money...it eliminates the need to use quarters, as you can choose to put $10s or $20s on.
As far as dispensing soap from the internet, I don't really get this...I'm going to go to the laundromat, put my clothes in, go back to my room, start up my computer, then indicate I want soap? What if I want a different brand of soap?
Bah, progress.
Beware typoes.
The people at Icepick have included toilet stats in their wired house, namely temperature and duration; man, I hope temperature refers to bathroom temperature and not...ugh.
After the wide spread use of CD trays as cup holders, tipp-ex on the screen, support people will now come across laundry in the floppy drive.
Genius doesn't work on an assembly line basis. You can't simply say, "Today I will be brilliant."
Make it easy for cc's to be accepted and watch the price go up, since hell, it's so easy. Not like americans have a problem with overspending with the use of these things, hmm? Besides, more technology isn't necessarily a good thing, make a more complicated system and there's more links to find a weak one in.
The only practical use I see for connecting washing machine/drier would be like the following example:
I'm sitting on my ass in the living room, watching some reality show about people trying to stab each other in the back and the washing machine or drier finishes, it would be handy to have an indicator flash on the screen somewhere.
The epic failures of past couple years have something to do with the overzealous pursuit of useless technology. Too bad some real babies went out with the bathwater.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
I just graduated from Boston College this May. The majority of the washers and dryers on campus were already networked into the student billing system allowing students to pay for their laundry on their student ID that also functioned as our key to the buildings/library/meal/bookstore/dominos take delivery/card. We could add money to our accounts via credit card anytime we wanted.
We 0wnZ uR S0ckS!!
Sorry, could not resist... Seriously, I hope your launderette VPN is seriously firewalled... =)
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
Some script kiddie is gonna put bleach my jeans.
"I love deadlines. I love the wooshing sound they make as they fly past" Douglas N Adams
Remember sh!tt!ng your pants or not wiping sufficiently and just tossing the underwear in the hamper? Well, now people can see your poor hygiene. 8-)
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
(Note: I didn't RTFA. You've been warned)
Ok, so I can see the advantages, what with the machines taking credit cards, etc, but it seems kinda silly to me. You still need to be there to load the friggin' thing up after all, so you might as well pay with cash, and personally I'm not so anal with my laundry that there's a specific point in the cycle I need to add soap. laundry+soap=clean, I don't need to add such a pesky variable as soaptime.
If the whole point is to reduce work then they need to eliminate the trip itself - once you're physically there, anything else you need to do (soap, paying) doesn't change the fact that I've hauled 30 pounds of laundry three blocks, waited around for an hour and hauled it back. Besides, they don't need to be connected to the 'net proper to take creditcards - a plain vanilla phone line to the creditcard company's server will do just fine.
I'm not saying this isn't a cool hack, the epitome of geek, but I'm not going to be really impressed until a robot picks up my laundry, washes it, debits my creditcard and returns it, preferably folded.
Triv
So that's where the missing ones go...
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
cell phone batteries.
Some cell phone makers are unhappy about third-party batteries. So they encrypted the status information that the phone reads from the battery. If the phone detects an off-brand battery, it drains it - quickly. They then claim protection under the DMCA for the encrypted battery status readout, to prevent third-party reverse engineering.
So though I know your juxtposition of DMCA and laundry is meant to be funny, it may not be too far from the truth. Imagine for a moment "detergent cartridges" so that the washer can meter and monitor detergent. Then encrypt that link and claim DMCA protection. Now assume strategic alliances between washer and detergent makers. When you buy your washer, you've just chosen what detergent you're going to use - until alliances shift, and then you get to change brands.
The situation might be similar to inkjet cartridges, including home refills, except in that case the horses got out of the barn before they got the door shut. If such a washer/detergent alliance were to get into this mode, no doubt they'd look at both cell phone batteries and inkjet cartridges to plot their course. I really wish they'd look to their customers, instead. But in these days of the DMCA and criminalizing your customers...
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
One of my seniors at college had done something similar for his final year undergrad project, a short description of which could be found here.
:-)
/non-pre-determined/ stuff and perform things like tuning of a radio).
He'd connected a PIC to one of the ethernet cards (the system had two Eth0 and Eth1) and had implemented a simple HTTP into the ROM.
Only Eth0 could access Eth1, so you could access Eth0 through a webserver and send/receive requests, which would be translated into queries for Eth1. Eth1 would selectively process these queries by just looking into the request string, and trigger responses in the micro-controller.
The micro-controller could in turn use these requests to perform pre-determined operations, like switch operations, or even analog operations.
This way, he could use a web based interface to control external devices. You could put up the server on the web, and you can access the lava lamp in your room from the net
It's old, but this is the only implementation that I know which can perform analog operations too (like he make it do
Very interesting stuff.
*sound of children starving to death.*
...but I can't deny that most of these technological advances are advancing by leaps and bounds while basic human needs are being neglected. I'm not saying you shouldn't throw that 10/100 NIC into your toaster, I'm just saying: hold off on the champagne a bit. Keep things in perspective. Try to remember that there's a world that needs technology to improve its quality of life -- a world outside of your laundromat."
At the risk of being sent down to the -1 kiddies' table by the moderators, I'd like to express in this forum the faint buzzing sound in my aural periphery when I hear about technological breakthroughs that allow me to rlogin from my iPod in Nepal to a laundry dryer in Brooklyn. The buzzing sound is my political mind trying to be heard. It's saying: "..hey, lunkhead. The reason you sleep better at night having spent the day compiling open source code on a linux box is because it makes me happy, too -- your political mind. You know that free software, stealing Microsoft's market share, etc. are positive actions politically.
"...bzzt."
Did these people do any marketing research into this.
Who is going to be your #1 people to use something like this
Geeks
Whose too busy to wash clothes
Geeks
That means you're left with no market to use the product
The coup de grce would be, of course, if the washers could be accessed and controlled via the Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP).
www.timcoleman.com is a total waste of your time. Never go there.
This Putting appliances online is nothing new, the origional Drink machine at rit dates back to the 80's, and there was a similar machine at CMU about the same time. The cool thing I see about this is the credit card acceptance, though for their sake I hope they queue up all of the laundry you do in a day, otherwise per transaction fees will kill them.
There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
1. Come up with a good idea. The idea must use the internet, and although it sounds good, it probably answers a question that nobody asked or fills a need that nobody needs. In other words, it optimizes some aspect of life that nobody cares to have optimized.
2. Put some serious financing behind the idea. (IBM?)
3. Sit around and wonder why the world hasn't beaten a path to your door.
Honestly, I wouldn't want to go online prior to doing my laundry to see if any were available. Laundry is a chore. I just want to take my basket of clothes to the laundry room and dump them somewhere and have them magically cleaned. Better yet, I'd rather that my laundry basket cleaned anything left in it more than 5 minutes. I already have a laundry card that I keep next to my detergent, so direct credit card billing adds no value for me. It seems to me, that the whole dotcom economy was about building an internet infrastructure around things that either don't need or aren't ready for an internet infrastructure. IBM's laundry implementation shows a remarkable resemblance to many failed dotcom ideas.
Lately, IBM has made some major good business moves, and now it sounds like they didn't learn anything during the last 3 years.
I hope that IBM have patented Underpants Gnomes (c) profit formula 2002:
Step 1: Hooks dorm washers and dryers to Internet
Step 2: Collect underpants (my favorite part!)
Step 3: Profit!!!
You could do some damage if you hacked into one of those, like flood out a laundromat, ruin lots of peoples clothes, etc. Some things were just not made to be internet connected.
Some of the features that could be abused (from esuds.net):
*sell injected detergent and fabric softener as part of a wash
[snip]
* service machines on an as-needed basis, reducing service costs and machine down time
So you can break the machines and flood the laundromat with suds. How reassuring.
I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
How long before these machines come equipped with MP3 players? I can just see the RIAA exec's ranting to the press about it now...
(Uptight exec with nasal voice):
Copyright infringement in the LAUNDRY ROOM!
Copyright infringement by the NEW WASHER AND DRYER!!
(Apologies to Negativland.)
An unjust law is no law at all. - St. Augustine
if i can control it via SOAP
I actually know how to do this myself using the lirc project, but I have better things to do with my time than write that particular piece of code.
Back on topic...I can see this as being useful on a local network in a college dorm or apartment complex...cool if you could have the washer/drier lock itself until you log in and unlock it to keep ppl from throwing your still wet clothes all over the place. Checking status would be very nice too.
putting it on the public Internet probably isn't the greatest idea in the world though.
odd timing for this story. my washing machine, according to the guy who fixed it on wednesday, crashed on monday. it was a hotpoint washer and he had to yank out the main controller and replace it with a new board which seems to have a newer revision number on it.
can't connect it to the net though. i suppose washer crashing stories won't be all that unusual at that point.
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"But I don't *want* a web-accessible clothes dryer! Beeeewwwwweeept!"
Beowolf Cluster, better known as a laundomat.
.MIL network.
Traceroute: Missing sock.
What happened? There's 3 inches of water in the basment!
Ping flood.
All clothes come with additional new tag: EULA
The new tag may NEVER be removed under penalty of law.
FBI arrests student for hacking washing mashine: Claims he didn't realize it it was on a
RIAA proposes bill granting them immunity from prosecution for any clothes they damage, so long as they suspect the laundy contained a copyright violation.
Dude! What's that pile of slag in the basment?
Somebody posted a link to my washing machine on slashdot.
Slashdot article on the difficulies of doing landry with over-clocked machine submerged in liquid nitrogen.
Microsoft announces X-box hydrid.
What's the gross gunk all over your clothes?
The filter on the drier couldn't handle all the SPAM and it backed up.
Java Virtual Machine gets clothes virtually clean.
Error: These clothes require cookies. Enable cookies and try again.
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
You shouldn't have an article with "suds" in the title unless it's about beer.
Patrick Doyle
I mod down every jackass who puts his moderation policy in his sig. Oh, wait a sec....
Every time I turn around some big corporation wants to poke their nose into my private life using the internet. You know they're going to log everything I put into that machine. The last thing I need is some company abusing my privacy so that they can air my dirty laundry in public! >:I
I'll second EVERYTHING he just said. That you Rob? This is Chris. Heck I even wrote some of that crap to do this. I was wondering if anyone else was gonna post.
-cpd
Stanford has a vending machine network that takes student ID cards, but it's usually down. There are a few commercial systems like that, usually antiquated; X.25 over 2400 baud serial links is typical.
so then we can all know that those lost socks in the dryer really DID go to /dev/null.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
Tape drives and printers have always been a lousy, nightmarish part of a sysadmin's job.
Now that we have to take care of washers and dryers, too, I may be looking for a career change.
While this is, indeed, a cool hack, what about
A) students that don't have PCs
B) students that don't have credit cards (more likely than A)
The article mentions that they avoid vandalism because they contain no cash, so at least the models they're installing don't accept quarters. I suppose in a dorm you could use student IDs, but what about laundromats? Yes, it would be FREAKING AWESOME to reserve your machine over the internet with your CC, then walk down there with your car load of clothes, but what about the bums who hang out there? How do they do their laundry?
There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
:wq
Yeah, but what button do I press to send my laundry over the Internet to go straight to the machine?
That's easy, you just have to 'hack' your washer.
I take no responsibility for you voiding your warranty; electrocuting yourself, your family members, or pets; or anything else bad that happens if you follow these instructions.
Have fun!
NOTE: This completes lesson 1 in my new series 'hack everything'. Tune in next week for how to add one-touch buttons to your microwve for your most common cooking times. Save yourself 17 seconds/year of valuable time!
Myself and a group of friends did this a while ago as a project for an embedded systems class.
We web enabled the washer for status of the load and time remaining statistics. Completely removed the controls and inserted our own front end device. (Even custom made a replacement front end to fit our display)
We went for the simplistic approach and used a touch pad interface with a basic display. However, we did not make it a credit-op machine. It was intended to be free for the dorm rats to use.
This is a fairly easy retro fit and can be done for around 400$? (you have to work with some crappy gear though, no bells and whistles on a stripped down controller).
Damn, had I known throwing a credit card swiper on there would have made me famous....
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