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OSes and Applications for Aging Machines?

TellarHK asks: "My aunt and uncle, both completely unfamiliar with computers, are looking to replace a broken word processor with something new. They'd like to either spend as few dollars as possible on a computer, or replace the word processor. Silly me, I mentioned I had a spare PC kicking around. It's a Digital Equipment 'Starion 930' Pentium 100 with 40M, and onboard video of an unknown type. As this machine is going to be used for word processing, I need an OS that will work with my newly dusted-off Lexmark Z11 printer. So what are my options? Will QNX handle the limited video and printer? Is there a WYSIWYG solution for FreeDOS? Is there a chance in hell any Linux distribution can give me graphics? I've got a whopping three gig drive in there. What can I do with it?"

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  1. Overkill - Ha! by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have an old laptop which I use for a similar purpose: an IBM thinkpad 755, which is a 486/75 with 20mb of RAM, and what is possibly the world's most troublesome video adapter.

    Despite these shortcomings, I am still able to run Windows 98 with Word 2000. '98 boots up in about a minute, and word takes about 10 seconds to load. For an 8 year old laptop, that's pretty darn good. The only drawback is that the type is somewat laggy, although the system described in this article should be nearly twice as fast.

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  2. WordPerfect by reverius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No pun intended, but WordPerfect on some form of DOS sounds "Perfect" for the job. I believe that was a common word processor at the time that computer was made ;)

    You might also want to look for some really ancient versions of Word, if they'll have an easier time with that. I don't know, I haven't used either.

    It's possible to run linux on that type of hardware - I'm currently running Linux on my Pentium 90 with 16 MB of RAM. Go with an older version of Debian, like 2.1 or maybe 2.2.

    However, I can't think of any word processors on Linux that are easy and stable enough for someone without Linux experience to use. LyX is close, but you have to learn LyX first (it's so different from most word processors). Forget about running AbiWord, KWord, or especially OpenOffice on that kind of hardware. :)

  3. debian by rodentia · · Score: 3, Informative

    Linux will run like a dream on that thing, man. I am running debian w/ graphical environment on AMD K-5 100, 32M, 500M HD.

    Loverly.

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  4. Do your research by Hard_Code · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really, it would do you good to spend just a few minutes researching the alternatives on google. While few operating systems will run as fast as you want it is entirely possible to run Linux or your choice of BSD with a GUI in that configuration. X should run just fine. There is also a tiny X implementation that will run just fine under low memory circumstances. I wouldn't even consider 40 MB of RAM "low memory" as far as Linux, and *BSD is concerned. "Low memory" is more like 4 or 8 MB. Of course with a little handiwork you can strip down the Linux or *BSD kernel to as small as you like. QNX and FreeDOS are other alternatives, but of course you won't get as much application support on those OSes (ok QNX is fairly sophisticated, but still AFAIK, it doesn't have anywhere near the apps that Linux does). Watch out though, OpenOffice is fairly hoggish.

    The post even comes off as a bit insulting, as many of us were using Linux+GUI way before 100 mhz + 40 MB was considered outdated. It is by no means something far fetched.

    Practical advice:

    * Stripped down Linux
    * FVWM or BlackBox or Aewm spawn of your choice

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    1. Re:Do your research by joshuac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ---snip
      Practical advice:

      * Stripped down Linux
      * FVWM or BlackBox or Aewm spawn of your choice
      ---snip

      add (from the evil dark side)

      * Win95
      * Win98
      * NT 3.5x
      * NT 4

      All will run fine on this hardware.

      At my parents house I have a 486dx4/75 with 16MB of RAM running windows nt server, working as a dial on demand router between a wireless "symphony" (product made by Proxim) LAN to a dialup ISP (as well as hosting a small local postoffice). It's been in place and running for over 3 years now. Slak would/could not install on that proprietary POS Compaq Presario (known problem, some older compaq's of that era had a known incompatibility I found out about later), so out of desperation, I installed NT. Squeezing it onto the 180-something MB system partition was a challenge, and using the remaining space on the 210MB drive for the postoffice did not leave them with much room for large messages, but it works. Your P-100 with 40MB of RAM and 3GB (geez, what will you do with all of that?) of disk space is spacious in comparison.

      Why bother with QNX and work to support the odd video card/printer, when you could just install windows 98 and be done with it? Or for that matter, plenty of Linux distros will work fine (Mandrake for one will not; just the graphical _installer_ on 8.0 complains about resources at the slightest nudge; but there is always the text-mode installer).

      Otoh, if what you really looking for for your aunt and uncle is an oddball OS that will shutup any of their annoying friends silly enough to come over to help them with their computer, install OS/2 Warp 3. It will _fly_ on that machine, in fact you have a little too much RAM for that version of OS/2 to use optimally, (some RAM will be forced into disk cache duty only) and I have yet to see any equivalent (in functionality) to the presentation manager/object desktop combo anywhere else (Evolution may be much prettier, but not nearly as elegant IMO). Plus, OS/2 always has had great support for Lexmark printers.

      And you maintain the goal of using something which is definitely no longer mainstream.

    2. Re:Do your research by rafa · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are a lot of light apps one can run. I had a similar setup up until not so long ago. These are the apps that I found ran nicely on that hardware.

      • xwc - great little file manager, really fast
      • blackbox - as mentioned
      • dfm - for desktop icons, your relatives might like this app.
      • gkrellm - system monitor. It acatully feels faster if you can see the CPU go at it. Really. :)
      • xscreensaver
      • asmix - to set volume, dockapp
      • ascd - cd player, dockapp
      • some aterms
      • Abiword
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  5. hate to do this to you. by Neck_of_the_Woods · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you do this, welcome to support hell. You will get calls why this does not work. That is not here...etc.

    If you want calls about how to get the *nix to work like windows by all means sign them up. I really would like to stress just droping win95 on it. Scream all you want but it is a small foot print, it is stable if your really only using for for word processing, and you not the "only well of knowledge" for that os.

    Just my views, I have only put a computer in about quite a few famialy/friends homes and linux in the long run always ends up kicking my ass. That is because they get hooked on the computer and they want to talk about it with frinds, share all the stupid shit that is not going to work on linux without some computer skills to get it to work.

    Linux and endless support for "my friends computer does this" how come I don't have the stuff he has...

    Install windows and the crash now and then with the virus that goes with it. Install linux and be the only person that can help them, and deal with the why does this not work like everyone else "I" know besides you that runs windows.

    Hard choice, make it wisely for your friends. There are cases for both, just depends which set of problems you are going to want to deal with.

    Good luck, and get use to being someones free tech support for the life of that computer. The linux biggots are going to eat me alive on this, but that just shows they are like a lot of people I know. They don't use the best tool for the job, they use the tool that they can wave like a badge of knowledge even if it was not the best choice.

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    1. Re:hate to do this to you. by dbrutus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was thinking something similar but I would tell them to go to Walmart.com and get the bottom end Lindows machine. You get a new machine, it's faster, and plenty of people are using it so they should be able to get support.

      By contrast, Windows 95 is in end of life so it (and anything older like the non y2k compliant Win 3.1 somebody else suggested) isn't going to get fixed for any bugs found later, it's not particularly safe to put on the net if they decide to expand their computing horizons later and it's running on a slow, old machine which could start having hardware failures at any time.

      At today's prices ($299) a new machine just makes sense.

  6. OS/2 Warp 4 by LordNimon · · Score: 4, Interesting
    You can find a copy for cheap on eBay. It will run great on that machine, give you full networking, and it can run tons of Windows apps, as well as Mozilla, XFree86, and Star Office.

    In my experiencing, Warp 4 runs better in low memory systems (less than 64MB) than Linux + X does. I have a 40MB laptop that runs OS/2 great but Linux won't install on it.

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  7. Yeah by flikx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In that same vein, just tell them to get a type-writer. You can find old 30kg models all over the place, and they get an intuitive interface, plenty of flexibility, and no hassles. If they want to be sophisticated, simply steer them in the direction of one of those overpriced 'word processor' typewriters from Brother. I heard they're only $900, and no computer skills are required.

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  8. On "helping" your family... by joto · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Do you want to continue helping them forever? There are some alternatives you can choose between to make life easier for yourself, and having been in that situation, here are some things you can do.
    1. Tell them you've tried your machine, and it doesn't work for you, but they are free to take it if they want. (There is nothing better you can do to avoid helping others, than to play an idiot. Unfortunately, it might be difficult to formulate this in a way that makes them try it out themselves before giving up...)
    2. Do exactly the opposite of helping them. Install QNX and a bunch of worthless applications on that box, but nothing that will help them type that stupid letter. Sooner or later, it's going to get through to them that you are in fact misleading them, and they will probably consider you an idiot, since they will probably not understand why their nephew is deliberately misleading them out of pure selfishness.
    3. Give them machine, Win98 install CD, Word install CD, and free phone support for one hour (yourself). Optionally, give them a book if you think it helps, but they are not going to read it. Hopefully, having done the install once themselves will make it easier for them if they get into trouble, but you may have to lie later to avoid helping them.
    4. Tell them that you will help them for a fee of $350/hour. You can of course help them with anything non-computer-related, but since this is your day-job anyway, doing it for free for friends and families later, is really annoying. I'm sure they'll at least halfway understand it.
    5. Tell them you tried the machine, and it didn't work anymore. Tell them that they will have to buy a new one, and that unfortunately you can't help them (sorry, but you are _so_ busy right now, with all the things at work). This might not make you feel well, but is generally the best option. They can understand that you can't help them, since you haven't got a machine anymore. They can understand that other people are busy. And busyness is always a better excuse then not wanting to.