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Apple OSes and IDE DMA Support?

KFox wishes to get to the core of this particular issue: "I just recently purchased an iBook and I have noticed that even in Jaguar, the system gets choppy from disk I/O. It appears that Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X don't support DMA access for hard drives, even if the drives are initialized in a UDMA mode. Wintel has had support in this area for a long time (since Win95b). Has anyone in the Mac world had any experience with DMA support on hard drives? Is it supported on iBooks? If so, which models?"

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  1. Drive Setup v1.1 by brejc8 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The ChangeLog seems to have added UDMA in version 1.1 and later updated in 1.7 .
    Try searching for UDMA Ultra-ATA ATA33/66/100 because DMA doesnt allways show up.

  2. DMA check for your ibook by TwP · · Score: 4, Interesting
    DISCLAIMER: I have not tried this, but I found a webiste that has ...

    Daemon News has a little section on the iBook and DMA. You can see the Darwin boot sequence by holding down the "v" key at startup. Find the section titled "Further Exploration: Das Boot" in the article above and it will tell you how to view the boot messages and other useful tidbits.

    IOATAPICDDrive: Using DMA transfers
    IOCDDrive drive: MATSHITA, CD-ROM CR-175, rev 5AAE [ATAPI].
    IOATAHDDrive: Using DMA transfers
    IOHDDrive drive: , TOSHIBA MK3211MAT, rev J1.03 G [ATA].
    IOHDDrive media: 6354432 blocks, 512 bytes each, write-enabled.


    It appears that this revision-A iBook does indeed have DMA enabled for both the hard drive and the CD-ROM drive.

    This does not help you enable your own DMA, but do a search on Google for enabling DMA on FreeBSD style systems. You might find something useful.
    1. Re:DMA check for your ibook by OttoM · · Score: 2, Informative

      Since 10.0 it is Command-V (V was the public beta). The information in the daemon news article is quite old. Jaguar seems a lot less verbose. It does not say anything about DMA transfers for disk or CD. Which of course doesn't mean it does not do DMA.

  3. Choppy Disk or VM switching out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are you sure it's the disk causing the problem vs delays due to VM switching in and out. There's a memory utility (can't remember name, Memory Tracker or Memory Monitor?) that will beep each time memory is paged in or out (or you could use top if you can interpret the numbers).

    I've found it can be pretty easy to use up all free RAM if you have a number of programs open or they leak memory. I've found at times I've had over 2GB of switch files.

    This is with 896 MB of RAM, iBooks can be under spec'd in that department.

    1. Re:Choppy Disk or VM switching out by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I thought the same thing as the AC when I saw this post. This sounds like more like a VM issue than a "lack of DMA" issue.

      I also recently bought an iBook, and the very first thing I did, before I even booted it up, was drop in a bunch more RAM (and my Airport card, while I was in there). I have not experienced the kind of sluggishness you are talking about during disk reads, so that might be what your actual problem is.

      OS X is the best OS experience I've ever had, but it is a memory pig. If you have the default RAM in your iBook (probably 128), you are hitting the VM a lot. It's fine if you don't mind a little sluggishness, but memory is cheap now days, so buying more is money well spent. Even another 128 can make a world of difference.

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    2. Re:Choppy Disk or VM switching out by coolgeek · · Score: 3, Informative

      Me too. Esp. if running OS X w/256MB (or less), you need the WindowServer compression hack or else all your available RAM goes to window buffers, which inevitably causes swapping.

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    3. Re:Choppy Disk or VM switching out by frankie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note that window buffer compression is enabled by default in Jaguar. I still wouldn't run OS X with less than 256MB though, and 512+ is much faster.

  4. try this by austad · · Score: 4, Informative

    # sysctl -a | grep dma

    Look for a setting that's related to DMA and set it from 0 to 1 with "sysctl -w". You should be able to place the setting in /etc/sysctl.conf to make it enable it on every boot also.

    Unfortunately, I don't have an OSX box to test it on right now, so I can't give you the exact settings. OSX is based on FreeBSD, and FreeBSD enables DMA by default, however, it's possible that apple found a need to disable it by default. Some drive/chipset combos have problems with DMA, and if they were unsure of which brands of drives or chipsets they would be using, disabling it by default would be the safe way to go.

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    1. Re:try this by frankie · · Score: 2
      sysctl -a | grep dma

      Nope. sysctl is actually pretty small in Darwin. Mine has about 240 lines, 2/3rds of which are network-related (including 40 for IPv6). The only line related to my HD was vfs.hfs has 2 mounted instances

    2. Re:try this by dadragon · · Score: 2

      OS X is based on FreeBSD, yes, but only its "BSD layer". The BSD layer controlls such things as file systems, networking, unixy apis used throuout the system, etc. The libraries and userland tools are based on NetBSD.

      Its driver interface is a homebrew system from Apple called "IOKit". IOKit is where you'd find the DMA stuff, but I don't know offhand how to access it. You may do well to try Apple's "Apple System Profiler".

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  5. A quick trip to Google... by frankie · · Score: 3
    ...reveals that yes the iBook has DMA .

    Will someone please mod up comment #4222630??? The most likely answer is KFox hasn't bought enough RAM.

  6. A quick and dirty test of disk I/O by tokki · · Score: 2, Informative
    This isn't the most comprehensive test of a disk's I/O, but it's easy and will help determine is something is potentially wrong.

    Run this command from the Mac OS X shell:

    dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1024 count=102400

    This should make you a 100 MB file. dd on some systems will give you how long it took to write out the file in seconds (I don't have access to a Mac OS X box, just a FreeBSD box right now). If it doesn't, just put the time command in front of it:

    time dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1024 count=102400

    Devide the number of seconds it took to write the file out by 100, and you'll have a rough estimate of how many megabytes per second it wrote to disk.

    Again, not the most comprehensive metric of course, but it gives you a rough idea. For an ATA system, it should probably do between 15 and 25 MB/s without too much trouble for a fast drive. The interface can be much faster (ATA/33, ATA/66, ATA/100), but the UFS and HFS+ file systems aren't optimized for sequntial writing, and/or there are other factors involved, so about 20 MB/s is a good mark I think.

  7. I don't think it's DMA by ebcdic · · Score: 2

    My iMac certainly feels slow, but I don't think it's disk DMA. "dd bs=8k count=100000 >ttt /dev/zero" gives a speed of 30MB/s which would be impossible without DMA.

    Anyone know a way to check whether ATA write caching is enabled? The FreeBSD ATA sysctls don't work, presumably it's not using the FreeBSD ATA drivers.

  8. Not a DMA issue by h0tblack · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mac's have had DMA support for a long time in both hardware and software, see this technote and the Developer Notes on hardware here for details. This includes the original clamshell iBooks. The iBooks may not have the fastest drives or interfaces but I don't think this is the problem. It's much more likely a Virtual Memory issue with lots of caching going on. check the contents of /private/var/vm/ for the number of 80Mb swapfiles you have, also try issuing vm_stat from the CLI to see whats going on. Two suggestions, either get more RAM or setup a 'clean' swap-drive partition.

  9. Masking interrupts... by Audin · · Score: 2

    The linux IDE driver has an option which controls whether it masks or unmasks non-ide interrupts during disk transfers...this option makes a huge difference in the amount of cpu time disk access consumes.

    Does OS X have something similar?

  10. Re:DMA isn't the problem by Phroggy · · Score: 2

    But, as someone else pointed out. Linux, and X still seems to run faster, which is pretty ridiculous, considering that X is running through a socket, and is naturally indirect. *sigh*

    I'm not sure of the technical details, but my understanding is that Quartz works very much the same way - although Apple doesn't seem to provide a way to do it, it should be possible to run applications remotely, just like you can with X.

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  11. Re:DMA isn't the problem by jchristopher · · Score: 2
    500mhz iBook, 640 MB RAM. It sucked ass. Going back and forth with a Windows machine was like night and day. Fast, slow. Fast, slow.

    The year is 2002. I simply will not "wait" for my computer. The computer is supposed to wait for me, yet I find myself waiting on OS X, especially when running web browsers.