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Grid Computing Meets Web Services?

jgeelan writes "According to an article in the current issue of Web Services Journal, by ex-IBM, ex-Vitria Technology, ex-IONA middleware maven Dirk Hamstra, the open source initiative known as OGSA, the Open Grid Services Architecture, is poised to bring utility-based computing a step closer. "The combination of Web services and grid computing," Hamstra writes, "virtualizes networked resources using common computing standards, making them accessible to a larger audience." Amazing what a little R&D money from IBM, a prime grid-computing mover, can achieve."

66 comments

  1. HAPPY PATRIOT DAY EVERYONE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Bush declared this Patriot day so let's be patriotic!

    BY THE WAY- BUSH KNEW!

  2. FP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    My first one! Ever! (I hope)

  3. forst by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I like marshmallows!

  4. snooch to the booch! by SquireCD · · Score: -1, Troll

    Snoochie boochies! I got 1st post!

  5. Hmmmm by xagon7 · · Score: 1

    "Open Grid Services Architecture, is poised to bring utility-based computing a step closer"

    And a lot cheaper .. unlike "other" utilities.

  6. Woo hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Sweet! I got the first post on the anniversary of 9/11. Life is good.

    BTW, Is it Happy Patriot Day or Merry Patriot Day? I can never remember.

  7. Get some PRIORITIES! by Remember+9-11 · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The worst terrorist attack in recorded history occurred just a year ago, followed by a Holy War against Islam, and now Israel and the Palestinians as well as India and Pakistan are teetering on the brink of their own war, Argentina is in the midst of a financial crisis, America is considering launching attacks against Somalia and Iraq, and you people have the gall to be discussing grid computing???? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!

    The bodies of the thousands of innocent civilians who died (and will die) in these unprecedented events could give a good god damn about grid computing (especially since none of them will be around to ENJOY IT), your childish Lego models, your nerf toy guns and whining about the lack of a "fun" workplace, your Everquest/Diablo/D&D fixation, the latest Cowboy Bebop rerun, or any of the other ways you are "getting on with your life" (here's a hint: watching Cowboy Bebop in your jammies and eating a bowl of Shreddies is *not* "getting on with your life"). The souls of the victims are watching in horror as you people squander your finite, precious time on this earth playing video games!

    You people disgust me!

    --
    Never forget those that died.
    1. Re:Get some PRIORITIES! by torndorff · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Dude.... at least we're not reading posts about new weapons of mass destruction. And theoretically these third-world citizens, etc. can benefit from these advances (although i doubt they ever will). Quit flaming and do something real.

    2. Re:Get some PRIORITIES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is slashdot, we discuss news for nerds. S11 is significant, but not the end of the world, life goes on. This is the world in which we live.

    3. Re:Get some PRIORITIES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a LIFE! The ONLY way you get past is to keep on living and GO FORWARD! That I am sure is waht the dead would want you to do.

    4. Re:Get some PRIORITIES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have the slightest idea how much software is associated with your daily life? With the war on terror? With the rebuilding effort?

      Databases, email, computer-aided drafting, Internet, purchasing, inventory management, and so on ad nauseum. These things would not exist without "wasting" time on fundamental research.

      What if you could see into the future and find out that Grid Computing was used by the US government to predict dates and locations of terrorist attacks and stop them before they occurred? Would you still think is was a waste of time?

    5. Re:Get some PRIORITIES! by doubleyou · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Oh no, how dare we think or talk about something other than the misfortunes in the world. How do we dance when our Earth keeps turning... Boo fucking hoo!

      Here's some news for you pal: there's strife no matter what time or place you live in. Nothing makes this particular time or place special. So your claims that our talk is frivolous are unfounded.

      If talk of the misfortunes in the world always overrided discussion about other interesting things in life, then we would never get any joy out of living.

      Tomorrow, instead of emotionally flogging myself like every other good patriotic American, I'm going to be doing my best to ENJOY my day. I'd best enjoy it while I get the chance. And I'll talk about anything BUT the bombing of a major landmark and the major loss of life that occured a year ago not more than thirty miles from where I sit.

    6. Re:Get some PRIORITIES! by jgeelan · · Score: 1

      well made point, thank you for restoring the balance here--it's an emotive day to discuss anything, clearly, but as you say: technology cannot and should not be treated as a category separate from life, it is a part of modern life just as terrorism is (regrettably) a part of modern life

    7. Re:Get some PRIORITIES! by dpt · · Score: 1

      The bodies of the thousands of innocent civilians who died (and will die) in these unprecedented events could give a good god damn about grid computing

      It's highly unlikely the *bodies* of these people care about anything.

      And "unprecendented"? Really? 2800 deaths is tragic, but hardly unprecendented. Get some perspective, and turn your television off, please.

      The souls of the victims are watching in horror as you people squander your finite, precious time on this earth playing video games!

      Their souls aren't doing anything either, as there is clearly no such thing. As for wasting time - isn't the lesson that we should enjoy our time while we have it? How many of those people died because they went back to work instead of evacuating?

      I think, if anything, they would want people *not* to waste their lives endlessly flagellating themselves at the behest of the media ...

    8. Re:Get some PRIORITIES! by dpt · · Score: 1

      "unprecendented"

      I mean "unprecedented"! I was pissed off, and typing fast, and I did it *twice*. Fuck.

  8. IBM Grid computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.ibm.com/grid/

    This is some very cool stuff. I saw some of the tools in development this summer and I can't wait to see grid computing (from whomever) actually get off the ground.

  9. Finally a relevant Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Grid Computing = a Beowulf Cluster.

    1. Re:Finally a relevant Post by benjfowler · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, relevant but wrong. Sorry :)

      Grid computing and clustering technologies are on opposite ends of the parallel computing scale.

      On one hand, you have a grid, which is a framework meant to aggregate computing capacity and peripherals from potentially widely-separated machines, taking into account things like unreliable and insecure networks, resource metering, multiple domains of control, etc.

      On the other hand, you have a bunch of beige boxes tightly integrated via a system-area network. Latency between the nodes is far lower, compared to your average grid technology, and you don't have to solve any of the security or accountability problem either.

      Each calls for a different style of application development too. In systems where IPC is really expensive, you want to minimise it as much as possible. Not all apps that are written to run on a Beowulf cluster will necessarily port straight over to a grid framework. However, for apps that can be made to run well on a grid, the potential computing power available is far, far greater.

    2. Re:Finally a relevant Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Grid Computing = a Beowulf Cluster
      I thought a Beowulf Cluster is Grits Computing. Imagine Natali Portman of these!
    3. Re:Finally a relevant Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grids may be connected but separately managed clusters. A cluster on its own is not a Grid.

  10. I am sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am sorry... who died? I have forgotten.

  11. By the way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Patriot Day obviously commemerates the USA-PATRIOT ACT which has gotten rid of a pesky thing called the Constitution.

    -The first poster.

  12. MOD PARENT DOWN. GOATSE LINK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    That september11fun.org redirects to goatse.

  13. three missing links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    [Missed the first two.]

    #30 Tassels in the Air (1938)
    #34 Three Missing Links (1938)
    #43 Three Sappy People (1939)
    #33 Violent is the Word for Curly (1938)

    Highlight of #43 - The wild tamale, other food (?) thrown around the table, with Ann Doran giving a terrific performance as the aristocratic woman with the English accent ["thank yaw"] who bears the brunt of Curly (coughing) and Moe's (throwing) stuff repeatedly in her face.

    Also, the brilliant Richard Fiske [nee, Thomas R. Potts] as the Sgt. in "Boobs in Arms") laughs at Ann's predicament and she then retaliates on him! The boys were janitors who are called upon to be psychiatrists, Dr.'s Ziller, Zeller, and Zollar.

    Can't say enough about Lorna Gray ["Sherry Rumsford"] (Adrian Booth Brian, still alive), with that infectious laugh and her throwing food and having a wonderful birthday--until her husband [Don Beddoe (1903-1991) - who appropriately enough, plays a (white-haired) dean of the Psychology Dept. of a college, 29 years later, in 1968's, "The Impossible Years" with David Niven featuring a young, beautiful, Christina Ferrare!], shows her what a fool she was when he dumps her birthday cake on her head to end this wacky short. [Beddoe featured in #59 Fall '91 (obit), and #67 Fall '93 of "The Three Stooges Journal"] [Gray, [nee, Virginia Pound], July 26, 1924 - , featured in #84 Winter '97]

    Was Lorna only 15 when she made "Three Sappy People"??? She certainly didn't look like a 15 year-old girl! Then she was all of 16 when she was 'Mattie Herring' in "You Nazty Spy!" in 1940.

    Is it any coincidence that three of my Top 10 favorite shorts, #7 "Pop Goes the Easel", #43 "Three Sappy People" and #58 "In the Sweet Pie and Pie" all have the greatest food (clay in #7) throwing scenes in the history of slapstick comedy? :-)

    Highlight of #33 - "Swingin' the Alphabet" song--and the pretty blonde girl on the right in the front row with her skirt all the way up to her knees showing off her beautiful legs. :-)

    Has anybody else noticed other supporting Stooge players (living or dead) in other films or on television and immediately recognized their names or their faces? I noticed and immediately recognized Don Beddoe's name in the opening credits as when I first saw "The Impossible Years."

  14. hot damn by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

    So Microsoft's .NET will run on Sony's PS3? Truly the best of both worlds...

    --
    [o]_O
  15. What a great idea! by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now Saddam Hussein can run his nuclear bomb simulations without having to violate US export laws.

  16. Grid computing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I put my cock in it!

  17. Fight war not wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Happy september 11th folks.

    Fuck US imperialism.

    Fuck trolls too.

    Anonymous posters as well.

  18. Alton Brown and Sara Moulton at Sur La Table by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Both Alton and Sara are giving cooking demos at various Sur La Table stores, to promote their new books.

    In the Seattle area, Alton Brown will be at the Kirkland, WA store on Friday, October 18 at 6:30PM, and will be signing books at the Pine Street store on Sunday, October 20 from 1PM-2PM. Only books purchased at SLT will be signed. The Friday seminar is $70.

    Sara Moulton will be in Kirkland on December 6 at 6:30PM. Cost is $85.

    To register, you need to call their toll-free number and give the class number, so you will need to visit their web site at www.surlatable.com to download the class schedule for the pertinent information.

    Interested persons in other areas should check the schedules for their areas to see if and when Sara or Alton will be in their areas.

  19. remember trollaxor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    on this september 11th, everyone should set aside a bit of time to reflect on the fallen.

    Trollaxor.com, you are sorely missed. Come back soon, before I give in to despair and impale myself on a forklift at Sam's Club.

    1. Re:remember trollaxor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trollaxor, where are you?

      trollaxor, I am raped by Linux users everyday since you are gone.

      trollaxor, come back!

  20. Web Services Coming of Age by hillct · · Score: 1

    It's good to see practical web services leveraged through Open Source initiatives. Certainly, this is not unexpected, but it's good to see meacurable results, given the unbelievable type we've been subjected to over the past several years.

    Positive results of OSS efforts are always gradifying to see.

    --CTH

    --

    --Got Lists? | Top 95 Star Wars Line
  21. Other companies are already working on this ... by DanEsparza · · Score: 4, Informative
    Just wanted to point out that other companies are already working on this concept, too. 'The Mind Electric' has a very nice set of existing Java based web-services tools.

    They are apparently expanding this toolkit to a 'grid service platform' called 'Gaia' detailed here.

    From the website:

    GAIA is a service-oriented grid-computing platform that connects producers and consumers of services and data while shielding them from issues like fail over, load balancing and clustering. GAIA can connect and control web services hosted on any combination of platforms, and uses a P2P architecture for reliability and scalability.

    GAIA is based on simple yet powerful concepts, can run on machines ranging from enterprise servers to wireless PDAs, and has native implementations for Java and Microsoft .NET.

    1. Re:Other companies are already working on this ... by galapagos · · Score: 1

      gaia - huh - genetic algos i guess

  22. Grid meets Web Services? by liloldme · · Score: 1

    Why does the grid computing need to meet Web services? Where do we need web services again? I don't see a whole lot of people using them at all. All the hype seems to have died down, there's no migration to web services visible anywhere.

    1. Re:Grid meets Web Services? by dpt · · Score: 1

      Yes, indeed. If web services are the answer, what was the question?

      It's telling how few response there have been to this (now the 3rd on /. so it's not new) story, even taking into account the time of day in the US.

      I can't imagine the thinking behind things like SOAP - "XML is a good markup language - let's use it as an on-the-wire protocol!". Reminds me of the humorous "implementing TCP/IP in XML" article a while back. People shouldn't write these articles, as other people get silly ideas from them!

  23. wah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody call the waaaaambulance!

  24. OGSA will enable cooperative distributed computing by BovineOne · · Score: 1

    (Here's a good article that briefly describes some more of the benefits that the OGSA initiative provides and how it will eventually enable the cooperation and interaction between all types of distributed computing systems. It's unlikely that the marketplace will remain dominated by only a single distributed computing vendor's (commercial or non-commercial), but at least OGSA will provide a means for equal interoperability and features such as load-balancing between different vendors.)

    ---

    Check out the entire article in whole at:
    http://www.supercomputingonline.com/article.p hp?si d=2236

    SCO: How do Web services play a role in the future of the Grid?

    MANDYAM: The promise of grid computing is to integrate a variety of systems into a virtual supercomputer capable of aggregating resources such as, processor cycles and storage within a large network consisting of one or more organizations. This far-reaching vision experienced a setback, however, by a lack of interoperability standards among grid computing technologies that were being used in the individual organizations. The advent of Web services has revived the vision by allowing grids to be specified as services that can interoperate with each other.

    The interoperability benefits in grid computing come in two areas: one is in the area of tying together heterogeneous resources managed by different grid technologies. The development of Web services-based standards will specify XML-based languages for these technologies to talk to each other. Secondly, the interoperability will extend to existing infrastructures enterprises have in place today. Web services-based interfaces will permit companies to integrate grid computing frameworks more easily into their environments because Web services-based development is designed to be easier and faster than traditional methods. Interfaces described in WSDL will provide the flexibility for companies to build higher-level, Web services-based applications that can also be discovered and shared.

    A grid service is built on concepts and technologies from the Grid and Web services communities, such as the W3C and GGF/OGSA, and will be the basis of Web services influence on grid computing. Its architecture defines standard mechanisms for creating, naming, and discovering grid service instances: providing location transparency, network and platform heterogeneity.

    The Open Grid Services Architecture (OGSA) is in the process of defining a set of Web Services Description Language (WSDL) interfaces and for creating, managing and securely accessing large computational grids.

    SCO: So would you say that it's critical for companies with Grid solutions to plan for Web services in their architecture?

    MANDYAM: Yes, there is unanimous support for a fusion of Web services with Grid services in the grid computing space, and both major and small vendors are embracing the OGSA standards. Fortunately for companies, Web services will make grid solutions easier to implement and more powerful. Vendors will be to make their product architectures compliant.

    Large and progressive enterprises that are planning to deploy enterprise-wide grid solutions should definitely review and follow the standards being specified by the OGSA. In some cases, it may be necessary for enterprises to actively participate in GGF/OGSA to incorporate business critical features into OGSA standards.

    SCO: Does the advent of Web services lead to the potential for a worldwide, Internet grid?

    MANDYAM: As enterprises begin advertising their grid service capabilities using OGSA-based WSDL interfaces, there will be a strong desire among government organizations and private enterprises to build a worldwide Internet grid. However, such a grid would require a lot of cooperation among the various IT departments to develop and implement usage and access control policies. Web services will be secondary to enhancing this potential, as the important milestone will be a general agreement on standards for interoperability. Web services seem to be fueling that through support for the OGSA.

    SCO: On Monday UD announced the availability of the MetaProcessor platform 3.0. Please tell the readers about it.

    MANDYAM: The MetaProcessor platform v3.0 is United Devices' latest version of its computing platform for building grids that harness underutilized compute resources on Windows and Linux. The platform allows companies to effectively incorporate their desktops into enterprise grids capable of delivering a high performance computing engine.

    The platform builds on its recognized ease of manageability and scalability to add important features that make the product easier to integrate and use. It offers a SOAP-based interface and WSDL specification which companies can use to more easily integrate the grid into their infrastructure and to package research applications with Web services. The platform adds the ability to submit and run simple batch jobs that are not as computationally demanding via command line, as opposed to data-intensive high throughput jobs that the platform was originally designed for. Lastly, getting applications onto the platform has also become easier with a simplification of the migration process for application developers. No API's are necessary to access the platform's robust security and network optimization features such as data encryption and compression, and applications can be run without source code modification whatsoever.

    --
    Don't waste those cycles! Put them to use! http://www.distributed.net/
  25. WRONG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The dead would want to be avenged!!! So go fucking avenge them already! Just this afternoon I smeared dog shit on the door handle of a mosque, so I can wear my American Flag t-shirt with pride!

  26. But will it be compatible with.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    my XBOX once the movement I love more than my bowel movement itself, yes, the OPEN SOURCE LINUX MOVEMENT ports linux to my xbox!?

  27. Real Americans by ari_j · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I just want to say, no matter in how off-topic a way, that I'm proud to see that the first story posted on Slashdot on September 11, 2002, had absolutely nothing to do with last year's terrorist attacks. Folks, we're not terrified, and because of that, we've already won the war, regardless of the battles yet to be fought.

    1. Re:Real Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to see that only the positive offtopic statements get modded up while the negative or neutral observations are modded down.

    2. Re:Real Americans by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 1

      And this is relevant to this story in what way?

  28. Web services? by dpt · · Score: 2, Funny


    I will now announce the following uses for web services in alphabetical order:

    * Making your broadband connection perform like a dial-up (thanks to XML).

    That is all, thank you.
    </german accent>

    1. Re:Web services? by dpt · · Score: 1

      To the anonymous moderator:

      Can you *please* read the fucking moderator guidelines? I was not off-topic, and if you disagree with my *opinion*, you should reply, not moderate. Who knows, I might enjoy a debate, and we all might learn something. Unless you can't hold up your end, of course - but that would explain your preference for mod-ing down, I guess.

      Go on, mod me down some more, I don't care, but it won't detract from the fact that you are an intellectual coward.

  29. Why Star Wars is better than Star Trek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Why Star Wars is better than Star Trek

    1. A Trekkies hero is some pansy running around in pastel spandex.
    2. Ships in star wars actually have modifications.
    3. Gene Roddenbery has also created a crap TV series called Earth: The Final Conflict that gets worse ratings than UPN. George has also created the blockbuster Ammerican Graffiti.
    4. Picard dodges asteroids. Vader blows them up.
    5. Star Trek has Cptn. Janeway. Star Wars has Princess Leia.
    6. Star Trek has one language. Star Wars has over 6 million.
    7. Two words: Boba Fett.
    8. Remind me again who can kill someone with a mere hand motion.
    9. The Super Star Destroyer Eclipse is 30 times bigger than the enterprise.
    10. Star Trek Officers have to ask for permission to fire.
    11. Where's the alternative song dedicated to Troi? Blink 182 made the song "A New Hope" dedicated to Princess Leia!
    12. Weird Al wrote the song Yoda, what song is out there about Q, let alone written by Weird Al!
    13. Frank Oz of the muppets was in Star Wars. Star Trek couldn't even get Frank Oz's Latin American equal if they wanted to!
    14. There is a category in Yahoo! titled Anti-Star Trek!
    15. Let's look at the actors that came out of both series: Out of Star Trek came William Shatner, and Patrick Stewart. Out of Star Wars came Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, James Earl Jones, SIR Alec Guiness and Peter Cushing!
    16. Star Trek could never get a good music composer, so they changed periodically, finally ending up with Jerry Goldsmith, a mediocre composer with a couple of movies below his belt. Star Wars has always had John Williams, a music GOD who is also one of the most respected music composers that has ever graced god's green earth and has composed over 120 projects to date!
    17. Gene Rodenberry, the creator of Star Trek, is right now cremated flying around in space in a little pod. George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, is still out there making more Star Wars films!
    18. Star Trek changes special FX companies every once and a while because they are never happy with them. Star Wars launched their own special FX company, ILM, which is grown to be a HUGE success, not to mention another FX company started by Lucas, THX, also a huge company!
    19. The games Star Wars have had are Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, all for Nintendo; Super Star Wars, Super Empire Strikes Back, Super Return of the Jedi, all for Super Nintendo; Shadows of the Empire, for N64; Masters of Teras Kasi, for Playstation; and Dark Forces, Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, X-Wing, TIE Fighter, X-Wing Vs. TIE Fighter, Star Wars Monopoly, and Yoda Stories, all for the computer! Star Trek has Star Fleet Academy, and a couple other CD-ROM's for information purposes only!
    20. When's the last time anyone from Star Trek has even been ON MTV? Chewbacca is the 1997 MTV Lifetime Achievement Award Winner!!!!!!!!!
    21. The aliens in Star Wars don't look like humans.
    22. Luke could whip Data's ass.
    23. Star Fleet vs. Imperial Navy(you decide).
    24. In Star Wars when our shields are down we still have the guts to attack.
    25. A lightsaber goes through Borg like a hot knife through butter. (Assimilate this!)
    26. A 900 year old three-foot green alien could kick the hell out of Kirk and Picard at the same time.
    27. A Death Star could annihilate the Borg in a second.
    28. Chewie could kick Worf and any other Klingon's butt.
    29. Darth Vader vs. Kirk(need I say more?).
    30. There is no logic only the FORCE!!!!!!
    31. In Star Wars, every planet they go to looks cool and has neat aliens. In Star Trek, every planet looks like a blue-screened backlot and all the aleins are extras Gene Roddenberry slept with.
    32. No lame-ass "Prime Directive" stopping you from whipping ass.
    33. When a ship in Star Wars gets hit, everyone rolls in the same direction.
    34. Stormtroopers may not be able to hit the broadside of a barn, but they're still a lot more threatening than a space-faring Abraham Lincoln.
    35. In Star Wars, all chicks are fair game. Heck, even your sister.
    36. Han Solo never had to degrade himself by shooting a baggy-suited reptilian alien with a hollow log and some charcoal.
    37. You can safely wear a red shirt in Star Wars.
    38. Luke Skywalker could kick Wesley Crusher's ass with one hand behind his back. Hell, Luke's cut-off hand could kick Wesley's ass with itself tied behind its back.
    39. Kirk would have just used the Force to "get some."
    40. Roddenberry=dead. Lucas=genius.
    41. Star Wars at least has aliens who aren't just humans in costumes with two legs and two arms.
    42. Star Wars has no characters who look like they can file mail on their foreheads.
    43. Star Wars officers wear respectible attire while star trek losers wear tight spandex, jumpsuits that look lie they came out of a jazzercise lesson. not to mention that it really looks perverse.
    44. In Star Wars, the interiors of the ships were not decorated by better homes and gardens. (i.e. faggy pastel colours)
    45. The Star Wars universe does not include that abortion of a hat that whoopi goldberg wears in star trek!!
    46. Darth Vader
    47. The Dark Side of the Force is more powerful than the Q!
    48. Chewie is quite capable of freeing warf of his knee caps.
    49. There are no klingons that cling to uranus!
    50. STAR WARS WAS MADE IN 1977 AND ITS SPECIAL EFFECTS ARE BETTER THAN THOSE OF star trek (KNOWN AS A RIDICULOUS EXCUSE FOR SCI-FI) NOW!!!!!
    51. In Star Wars they have BLASTers and there's no such thing as a "stun setting".
    52. Picard shows his dislike of children by not having them. Vader shows his dislike by seducing them with the dark side.
    53. Alec Guinnes is a SIR. Patrick Stewart is not.
    54. The Federation has the Prime Directive. The Empire has the Death Star.
    55. One word: HELMETS
    56. Star Wars happened a long, long time ago. It's historical fact.
    57. Jean-Luc rides horses. Luke rides Taun-Tauns.
    58. Jawas are cooler than Ferengi.
    59. NO Wesley Crusher!
    60. An X-wing could toast any of there fighters any day.
    61. Sick bay is for wimps!
    62. Speeder bikes are too fast and dangerous for the Trekkies, they might get hurt.
    63. What's up with LaForge's visor/glasses, he looks like Cyclops from the X-Men!
    64. The Death Star could blow up the Enterprise in one shot!
    65. Picard's head is so bald, you could almost see what's on his mind. (If he had one)
    66. Who do you think would win on a head on collision, a Super Star Destroyer, or the Enterprise?
    67. Worf has more rolls on his head then that in a bakery!
    68. Deflecting phaser shots and cutting the Star Trek cadets heads off with your lightsaber rules!
    69. Chewbacca can kick Worf's ass!
    70. Two words: John Williams
    71. In Star Wars, they know to keep bald heads (Darth Vader's) under helmets
    72. More belching muppets in Star Wars
    73. William Shatner has never directed Star Wars
    74. No Star Wars plots revolve around trying to locate source of unknown radiaton/tachyons/muons/pulse/flux/particles etc
    75. No Lxwana Troi
    76. The planets in Star Wars don't all look like the same adobe villas left over from the "Zorro" TV series
    77. Aliens with alien accents
    78. Rust
    79. "Star Trek 5"
    80. Two words: Boba Fett.
    81. The guns are real English Sterling machine guns and German Mausers...not dustbusters!
    82. Ten Forward doesn't have a cool Bith band! (Heck--they couldn't even get Max Rebo to play there!)
    83. I bet Grand Admrial Thrawn could have defeated the Borg at Wolf 359!
    84. ST's bald captain--covered in cyberenetics--was only the spokesmind for the Borg. Lando's bald right-hand man, with just a cool walkman on his head, had the entirety of Cloud City at his every command.
    85. "Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith" sounds cooler than "Captain Jean-Luc Picard."
    86. Imperial and rebel uniforms actualy have POCKETS!
    87. The Federation has ships named Voyager, Reliant, and Enterprise...the Empire has ships named Devistator, Avenger, and Executor!
    88. Star Trek robots can not use contractions and have trouble with emotions. Star Wars robots can speak over 6 million forms of communication fluently and whistle to themselves just because they can.
    89. Captain Picard only cried like a baby in a vinyard after turning evil and being rescued. Anakin Skywalker kicked the Supreme Ruler of the Galaxy's ass!
    90. "Look sir, droids!"
    91. No time travellers picking up their own heads!
    92. No alternate universes!
    93. No transporters to save your butt at the last minute!
    94. Aliens with makeup somewhere besides their foreheads!
    95. Starship battles in three dimensions!
    96. War, not neutral zones!
    97. No ultra-powerful aliens with one-letter names!
    98. No holodecks for lame plot ideas invented by actors!
    99. Leia in the harem girl outfit at Jabba's!
    100. In the Star Wars universe, weapons rarely, if ever, are set on "stun."
    101. The Enterprise needs a huge engine room with an anti-matter unit and a crew of twenty just to go into warp--the Millenium Falcon does the same thing with R2-D2 and a Wookie.
    102. After resisting the Imperial torture droid and Darth Vader, Princess Leia still looked fresh and desirable-- after pithy Cardassian starvation torture, Picard looked like hell.
    103. One word: lightsabers.
    104. Darth Vader could choke the entire Borg Collective with one glance.
    105. The Death Star doesn't care if a world is Class "M" or not.
    106. Luke Skywalker not obsessed with sleeping with every alien he encounters.
    107. Jabba the Hutt would eat Harry Mudd for trying to cut in on his action.
    108. The Federation would have to attempt to liberate any ship named Slave I.
    109. Picard pilots the Enterprise through asteroid belts at one-quarter impulse power. Han Solo floors it.
    110. I've never heard anyone in Star Wars brag about knowing a ship like the back of his hand and then hit his head on an overhang.
    111. James Earl Jones' voice is not as irritating as Majel Barret's.
    112. Compared to Darth Vader, Q is just too melodramatic.
    113. Compared to Vader, Khan is just too high-strung.
    114. Star Wars isn't afraid to put the women in charge (ex. Leia, Mon Mothma, Admiral Daala, etc.).
    115. In Star Wars, dead is dead. None of this Spock-Vulcan-resurrection bullcrap.
    116. In Star Trek, to fix something you need to know about Dilythium Crystals and Anti-matter enducers and Isolinear Chips and yadda yadda yadda. In Star Wars, the only thing you need to know is that THIS one goes here, THAT one goes there!!
    117. Those Ewoks aren't as annoying as those damn tribbles, plus they make better fighters too. The tribbles are only good for target practice.
    118. In Star Trek, the main reason that the Borg are such a big threat is that they can adapt to laser fire, and block it. Yeah, right. Let's see how they adapt to a ticked off Wookie ripping their arms off. (or a Death Star's superlaser!)
    119. George Lucas and John Williams.

  30. It wasn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    modded up. He posts at Score:2.

    1. Re:It wasn't by liloldme · · Score: 1

      at the moment its modded up at +3 Insightful, when it should be at -1, Offtopic

  31. grid computing sites by jukal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is a little collection of grid computing related companies, organisations and projects. If there is something crucial missing, let me know :)

    1. Re:grid computing sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't help it buy every time I hear the word "Grid" I think of those cheesey laptops which radio shack sold.

    2. Re:grid computing sites by jukal · · Score: 2
      > every time I hear the word "Grid" I think of those cheesey laptops which radio shack sold

      Yes! For some reason it is immensily hard to adopt that word. Distributed computing was just so much clearer. According to some descriptions (atleast my current explanation :) the "grid" is supposed to point that the system can be built on top of very heterogenic hardware, software and network and to do very heterogenic tasks, and to be able be configured automagically or in adhoc manner. Now, in my mind a grid is something rather fixed. Why don't we change the term to blob computing for example :)

    3. Re:grid computing sites by Spunk · · Score: 1

      I think of Tron. Will these devices be susceptible to gridbugs?

    4. Re:grid computing sites by Zach+Garner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, "grid" comes from "Power Grid" which indicates how a computational grid is intended to be used.

      Plug the organizations computers and other resources into the grid (these are analog to power plants). When you, at your workstation, need to do something computationally expensive or otherwise use the grid's resources, your computer uses the grid to do the work.

      You plug in your radio to the power grid, press the button and you've got music, instantly. You plug in your accounting program to the computational grid, press the button and you've got complex stockmarket forcasts, instantly.

    5. Re:grid computing sites by Doctor+Bill · · Score: 1

      > If there is something crucial missing, let me know :)

      Missing? How about Avaki, The Legion Project, Sun Grid Engine, and a host of other companies that have working product out there but didn't prescribe to Ian Foster's Globus project as the "One and Only True (Grid) Way".

      It's a real pity that (from what I've seen) the OGSA is anything but open, and seems intent that only one implementation shall ever be called "Grid" and it is Globus.

  32. What about Christopher Kimball?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He'll be in Kirkland on Dec 3, and he looks just so darned cute with those little bowties.

  33. Web Services by bziman · · Score: 2
    I don't know much about grid computing, but if you need a platform for enabling Web Services, check out the free download in my sig:

    Enterprise Web Services

    -brian

    1. Re:Web Services by dpt · · Score: 1

      Advertising on /.?

      Nah, I'll just stick with SOAP::Lite for Perl, as it does SOAP (the full spec, despite the lite tag) and XML-RPC, is free as in speech *and* beer, and will integrate with everything from databases through to HTTP and more esoteric stuff like LDAP with zero effort as it's Perl, and there's a CPAN module for *everything*.

      SOAP's so, well, simple, I don't see how people expect to make money off "web services platforms". At least for Python and Perl, it's done already! Game over, man :)

  34. ConCert project by Tom7 · · Score: 2

    You might consider adding the ConCert project:

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~concert/

    We aim to provide a framework for grid computing with certified code (run native code without needing to trust anyone) and strong language support.

  35. Clusters and Grid by ateras · · Score: 1

    Grid computing and clustering technologies are on opposite ends of the parallel computing scale.

    Actually the clustering technologies are in the middle of the scale. Symmetric multiprocessing with shared memory is the most tightly coupled end of the scale, then come the clusters, then the Grid technologies at the other end.

    Each calls for a different style of application development too. In systems where IPC is really expensive, you want to minimise it as much as possible. Not all apps that are written to run on a Beowulf cluster will necessarily port straight over to a grid framework. However, for apps that can be made to run well on a grid, the potential computing power available is far, far greater.

    Yes, the development strategies are certainly different. However, often the Grid technologies can be used to provide a way to access the clusters instead of distributing the whole software on several machines. In that case you usually need only relatively small changes to existing software.

    The benefit in this kind of approach can be that the authentication, authorization and encryption services for the connection and data transfer are provided by the Grid framework. For instance you can use the Globus Java CoG kit to authenticate in "Globus style" if you prefer that to the options Java natively offers. (Mobile Analyzer developed in our group at Helsinki Institute of Physics does that.)

    Currently it is often still a bit unconvenient (mappings between Grid credentials and local user accounts etc.) but as these services develop users probably will have access to many more machines than they have now, because they don't need an account in each box. Then they can run their job (which is not necessarily parallel at all) where they like or run the job on their desktop but access data in an external database using their Grid account.

    The computer or cluster for the job can also be selected automatically. The NorduGRID group has implemented this kind of system which connects several clusters in Nordic countries, they have a status monitor on on their website.

    AJT

  36. Between cluster and Seti@home by dargaud · · Score: 1
    Now this is becoming interesting... Part of my job is administering a group of scientist who run CPU-intensive models. We traditionally do it two different ways:
    • run it on your own PC while you work at other things, hopping that it won't crash for the next 3 to 5 days or
    • buy a cluster or parallel machine (currently expensive SGIs) and let the OS handle the Fortran code and make the best use of CPUs it can.
    The third way is the Seti@home way: write a distributed client and spread it on plenty of machine. Ever since I heard of seti@home I've been wondering why no-one had come with the following way: a distributed client, but distributed only on your own organisation's PCs. Come on, we buy computers to use the CPU ourself, not to run other people's programs. But our PCs are just glorified typewriters while our mainframes are totally saturated. Why not run our stuff on the secretaries 2GHz PCs while they type away ?

    Maybe this should have been an ask.slashdot question a long time ago, but is there a very simple toolkit that will allow one to write a distributed app and put it on whatever PCs you have available ? Requirements are: load balancing, automated distribution and result gathering, ability to have several jobs per machine, access to common resources like a central RAID disk, crash recovery. No need for interprocess communication. Possibility to run any kind of exe would be awesome (yes, we still use fortran, sigh), or at least only link a special library to your prog and that's it.

    I've heard of Jini here on /., but it looked very very basic to say the least and at the time there weren't any examples of code.

    --
    Non-Linux Penguins ?
    1. Re:Between cluster and Seti@home by epaulson · · Score: 2

      Condor

      http://www.cs.wisc.edu/condor/

    2. Re:Between cluster and Seti@home by Duncan3 · · Score: 1

      There are lots of versions of just what you describe, many dont even cost $250/CPU.

      --
      - Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
  37. Oh bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    JarJar Binks - WTF?
    The Ninja teddy bears, the Ewoks
    The giant, mean teddy bear, Chewbaka
    Uber-lame ball of quivering flesh, Jabba the Hut
    plus all sorts of lame-assed cartoon characters. That ain't SciFi, that's just sad.

    Then there's the lame-assed "plots" in Star Wars. Amazing how someone can make billion$ by dragging out a 15-minute story into 5 (so far) full length movies. After the Ninja Teddy Bear episode, only a real luser would keep spending money on the tripe.

  38. Open Source web services tools by MarkWatson · · Score: 1
    Good article and associated links!

    As a consultant, I added SOAP, WSDL, and UDDI support to a commercial Java app server product.

    However, for most purposes, there are some very easy to use tools for publishing (if that is the correct word) web services:

    • for Java: Tomcat, Jakarta Axis (for SOAP and WSDL), and the jUDDI open source project (for UDDI)
    • for Python: SOAP.py for client and server SOAP support
    With the cost of dedicated managed servers going down, I think that there are lots of good opportunities for developers to sell web services for applications that require up-to-date data, etc. For, example, a word processor, obviously, using a remote server based application is stupid, but for applications like web search (e.g., Google SOAP support), stock quotes, specialized data processing, etc., it does make good sense to implement as web services.

    -Mark

  39. Plan 9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  40. sigh... by damiena · · Score: 1

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!