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The First Smiley :-)

An anonymous reader points to this excellent bit of online archaeology -- Mike Jones' effort to find the first online smiley. A bit from the site: "After a significant effort to locate it, on September 10, 2002 the original post made by Scott Fahlman on CMU CS general bboard was retrieved by Jeff Baird from an October 1982 backup tape of the spice vax (cmu-750x)." Interesting methodology and a lot of work went into the search -- shades of the Dead Media Project.

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  1. :-( (pad) by undeg+chwech · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nostalgia makes me sad :-(

  2. Usenet and Emoticons by messiertom · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a link to a usenet posting describing the use of emoticons/smilies (it references Fahlmen).

    1. Re:Usenet and Emoticons by generic-man · · Score: 4, Informative

      A bit of trivia: the Carnegie Mellon user who posted that ancient message is Jim Morris. Most CMU computer science majors would recognize Prof. Morris: he's now the dean of the School of Computer Science.

      Spread the word, Jim. :-)

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  3. may god forgive him for what he has unleashed by Jamie+Zawinski · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Scott's a great guy -- he gave me my first hacking job! -- but he's got a lot to answer for with this one...

    "The smiley is an attack on writers and readers alike. If it is funny, it doesn't need a smiley. If is not funny, a smiley won't help it. The smiley teaches writers that anything they write will pass as humor as long as it is punctuated properly. It teaches readers that they must ignore their better judgment, and look only at punctuation to determine intent." -- Jim Showalter
    1. Re:may god forgive him for what he has unleashed by gilroy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Blockquoth the poster, quoting Jim Showalter:

      It teaches readers that they must ignore their better judgment, and look only at punctuation to determine intent

      I understand completely. That's why, when I tell a joke, I make sure to do it in a total monotone, completely deadpan. That way I don't accidentally teach my audience to ignore their better judgment or to rely on body language.


      Oh, in case it wasm't clear: :)

    2. Re:may god forgive him for what he has unleashed by gilroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The smiley teaches writers that anything they write will pass as humor as long as it is punctuated properly. It teaches readers that they must ignore their better judgment, and look only at punctuation to determine intent.

      Adding even more, it also makes sense that we should not use commas to indicate pauses -- or periods for sentence stops -- since that should be clear from context. We wouldn't want readers coming to rely upon mere punctuation, now would we?
    3. Re:may god forgive him for what he has unleashed by EvlG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed.

      Humor in real life conversation is conveyed not only through words, but also through body language, tone, and context.

      In text, you have none of the first two, and the third can often be impaired.

      The simely is one of the few universally recognized ways to do this - it breaks language barriers even!

      What more could we ask for from 2 simple characters?

    4. Re:may god forgive him for what he has unleashed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
      Well you're just a fucking genius, aren't you?

      ;-)

    5. Re:may god forgive him for what he has unleashed by Magnus+Reftel · · Score: 4, Funny
      What more could we ask for from 2 simple characters?
      A nose? ;-)
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  4. Strange. by neksys · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's kind of exciting that, with the modern time-scale, we can actually trace things like this to their originator. It's the like that age old question: "All I want to know is who the man is that looked at a cow and said 'I think I drink from whatever comes out of those things when I squeeze them.'" I always sort of assumed that the smiley would become much like the milk - of amorphous origins, but part of our culture nonetheless.

  5. And I've made it my mission... by nakaduct · · Score: 5, Funny

    To live to see the last.

    1. Re:And I've made it my mission... by pla · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, should I address you as Mr. Rosen, or Mr. Valenti?

  6. Geek & Naming Conventions by Myriad · · Score: 5, Funny
    Why is it that for things like this many geeks will automatically think of the same name? Ie, way back when I first saw a :) (ah BBS days) I got its meaning and thought of it as a "smiley". Quickly I found out that was what people called it. This kind of thing happens to most geeks I know.

    Yet the moment any of us start coding, damned if we don't come up with naming conventions that mean squat to everyone else. Unless, of course, we've been dictated to use someone elses nonsense! :)

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  7. Uh oh... by phillymjs · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...how long before he finds himself a lawyer, patents a "method of conveying levity via a sequence of characters typed on a keyboard," and sues, well, everyone? :-)

    (Oops!)

    ~Philly

  8. Re:First smiley? by joshua404 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Well, great that they found the first smiley, but I will not be satisfied until I see the LAST one. Once upon a time, people could communicate emotions effectively simply through the tone of their writing. Now that people have apparently lost this ability, they use a crude text representation of a facial expression. This is not an improvement.

    Lighten the fuck up. :-)

  9. Re:First smiley? by gilroy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Blockquoth the poster:

    Once upon a time, people could communicate emotions effectively simply through the tone of their writing.

    Once upon a time, people didn't have lowercase and so could not use uppercase for emphasis or to mark the start of a sentence.

    Once upon a time, people didn't write spaces between words in their text.

    Once upon a time, people didn't have vowels to help distinguish words.

    Once upon a time, people didn't have question marks or exclamation points to indicate interrogatives or imperatives.
    Get over it. "The tone of their writing" is simply too unreliable a mechanism for conveying in print what body language does for us in person. Why is the smiley any more objectionable as punctuation than, say, the question mark?

  10. More Info by willpost · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "By the early 1980's, the Computer Science community at Carnegie Mellon was making heavy use of online bulletin boards or "bboards". These were a precursor of today's newsgroups, and they were an important social mechanism in the department - a place where faculty, staff, and students could discuss the weighty matters of the day on an equal footing. Many of the posts were serious: talk announcements, requests for information, and things like "I've just found a ring in the fifth-floor men's room. Who does it belong to?" Other posts discussed topics of general interest, ranging from politics to abortion to campus parking to keyboard layout (in increasing order of passion). Even in those days, extended "flame wars" were common."

    "Given the nature of the community, a good many of the posts were humorous (or attempted humor). The problem was that if someone made a sarcastic remark, a few readers would fail to get the joke, and each of them would post a lengthy diatribe in response. That would stir up more people with more responses, and soon the original thread of the discussion was buried. In at least one case, a humorous remark was interpreted by someone as a serious safety warning."

    "This problem caused some of us to suggest (only half seriously) that maybe it would be a good idea to explicitly mark posts that were not to be taken seriously. After all, when using text-based online communication, we lack the body language or tone-of-voice cues that convey this information when we talk in person or on the phone. Various "joke markers" were suggested, and in the midst of that discussion it occurred to me that the character sequence :-) would be an elegant solution - one that could be handled by the ASCII-based computer terminals of the day. So I suggested that. In the same post, I also suggested the use of :-( to indicate that a message was meant to be taken seriously, though that symbol quickly evolved into a marker for displeasure, frustration, or anger." -Scott E. Fahlman - the inventor of the smiley

    Smiley Lore

  11. 1970s and earlier probably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    When I was in the Air Force in the mid 70s, I was stationed at Patrick AFB as a weather tty op. We'd exchange chit-chat with other ops on the wx net and jokes were often punctuated with "hi hi" or a :)

    The smiley undoubtedly pre-dates my tour. If you think it was invented in 1980s, you are wrong.

  12. Re:Leftists of the world - get angry. by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 5, Funny

    The backwards ones confuse me - i mean, what the hell is this?

    >:{

    since ppl started doing them upside down, the complicated ones become unreadable

    someone sorta said this, but maybe we need an RFC or a smiley standards (someone email w3 quick!)

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  13. Precursor to smiley in 1973 by Broccolist · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Ha. I've never seen this mentioned anywhere else on the Internet, but interestingly enough, the smiley occured to the author Vladimir Nabokov (known for the novel Lolita, which incidentally rules) back in 1973. I was reading a book of interviews with him (Strong Opinions) and I started when I saw this bit:

    [asked how he would rank himself among great writers]
    I often think there should exist a special typographical sign for a smile -- some sort of concave mark, a supine round bracket, which I would now like to trace in reply to your question.

    That's Nabokov all right, inadvertently predicting the invention of the smiley 10 years in advance :). Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it had occured to lots of people, and the smiley has a very long history, if only someone could be bothered to dig it up.

  14. Re:Leftists of the world - get angry. by mosch · · Score: 5, Funny

    )-: damn you, you directionalist bastard.

  15. Re:Leftists of the world - get angry. by whovian · · Score: 4, Funny

    what the hell is this?

    A female body sculptor flexing ;-)

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  16. Re:Another birth? by Bonker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Nah, ASCII art has been around a lot longer than that. In the same thread, they're referencing Nroff, Press, and Tex formatted images of ET and Yoda.

    One of my father-in-law's favorite war stories was about his stint as a communications officer at a U.S. base in South Korea during the Veitnam war. At one point a good buddy in the U.S. sent him and his fellows a fairly high resolution black and white version of Playboy's Miss October 71... via teletype. The image had to be stapled together from multiple teletype sheets (4 feet wide and 6 feet long, I think he said) and viewed from several feet away before the print characters were recognizable as a female figure.

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  17. The Smiley Undermined by Snafoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Every IM and gooey IRC client these days is replacing the noble ASCII smile with the hideous rictus of a yellow dot. Even punctuation is threatened
    by the forces of Disnification.

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  18. How about the first use of "flame on"/"flame off" by btempleton · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A while ago I researched the history of the term Spam and found interesting things.

    But one thing I would like to find that I dimly remember is the first use (on Arpanet mailing lists in the late 70s) of the Johnny Storm "Flame On!" when getting angry in a posting.

    In those days it was always followed with "Flame Off", though this has sadly gone by the wayside.

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  19. "Need" is a strong word. by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Books" and personal communications are different environments. Although I do (occasionally) use smileys it doesn't mean that I need to because I have no other way of expressing myself effectively. It simply means that for the particular communication in question I determine the smiley to be an effective method of quickly and easily clarifying meaning. While I could say "Just joking by the way!", a ";)" is just as effective.

    Or perhaps I should compose all my correspondence in sonnet form, just to show I have an impressive "grasp of the written word".......

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  20. I rather disagree by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So much in most languages, certianly English, relies on tone. This is something that simply cannot be conveyed through text. In something like a novel you can take the time to rewrite things such that the language truly indicates what you mean to convey, and you also have teh benefit of speaking about a character's actions (eg. "And that was smart", Jim remarked with a smirk). With realtime communiactions you have no such advantages. YOu have to come up with your response quickly, and have little ability to comment on them. A simley is sucha device. YOu can indicate the general intended tone of a remark. I can think of many phrases that I would use that could mean many different things depending on how I said them. For example:

    "Well you reall screwed that up."

    Now if I said that in a jovial, joking, manner, it would mean that I'm kidding, you really didn't screw up that bad, I'm just harassing you. If I said that in a neutral, professional tone, it woul be a comment, that you did indeed mess something up. If I yelled that, it would eman that not only did you do it, but it pissed me off personally.

    While I can't truly convery that in a qucik text message, smileys can help. If I just typed it as is, it would probably be intereprted in the neutral sense I spoke of, and the person would believe that I was really indicating that I believed they ahd sincerely screwed up. Adding a :) would let them know that I am just kidding and playing with them.

  21. Re:Hoax?? by peterb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hi, please don't be a huge raging dickhead. You're completely, utterly, and didactically wrong.

    I used to work for the CMU CS facilities department; we did make all our backups on 9 track tapes, they are kept forever, and it was a huge pain in the ass for Jeff to track down the relevant equipment to do the restore. We're lucky he was able to get it restored -- very often, tapes that old just disintegrate, even when stored properly, as these were.

    So don't call friends of mine liars, and I won't call you a vacuous drooling moron, OK?

    And as for how it could spread quickly, don't forget the meme theory of ideas, and the fact that CMU was on Usenet from a hideously early date.

    Note that I'm not affiliated with either CMU (except as an alumni and former co-worker) or Microsoft.