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Bluetooth And The Common Motherboard
Just say no to Apple writes "Computers seem to be on the precipice of a new chapter with things like Serial ATA and now bluetooth showing up as standard equipment. Of course the bluetooth kit that comes with this board is really tiny, which makes me wonder if you might be able to integrate it into a small remote device... But anyway, if a computer upgrade is on the horizon, have a look at this Epox board review and the bluetooth gear it uses."
Try to get your metaphors unmixed, please.
You could bluetooth an external harddrive for even more pr0n for today's geek on the go.
"...more and more of our imports come from overseas." - G.W. Bush
This'd be great, ALL you need to do is get some standards agreed and from then on you'd only need 1 remote for you PC. I could cat /dev/bluetooth/remote and microsoft could DirectRemote it.
Now anyone know how to get the TV and Sound card manufactures to agree on a standard?
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
If you're in the market for a new AMD motherboard, perhaps you should wait and see how the new VIA KT400
Well some of these boards have been tested. According to this article on Toms Hardware the KT400 boards aren't worth it. Interesting benchmarks, that is for sure.
Correct me if I am wrong, but if I remember the guys at Ericsson correctly, the point of bluetooth is that it can be put into almost any piece of electronic gadget, being really small and all. Hence it should appear in just about anything you can imagine.
The problem is that it should have appeared many years ago, I have no real clue on why it has taken such an enormous amount of time to get it to market in anything interesting.
Stick it on a board with some vacuum tubes and I'll take it.
This looks like another case of advertising in slashdot.
Was there this much of a huzzah when (infinitely more useful) ethernet chips, nvidia video chips, or even SB compatible sound chips were integrated onto motherboards?
They guy that mentioned the motherboard with the vacuum tubes has it right. Somehow, that has the innate property of "coolness," while this mobo has the innate property of "gheyness."
Well, onto the next precipice! I'm jazzed!
As time goes by, more and more ports/connectors add up on my motherboards. When are we going to get ride of ps/2 buses, parallels and serial ports?
So now we would have:
bluetooth
parallel port
serial ports
Serial IDE
Parallel IDE
Firewire
ps2 buses
USB
-- Next ones are not on motherboards, but still...---
Analog joystick port (gameport)
VGA output
Audio ports
Ethernet
Am I missing a port? Keeping legacy ports does add cost on the systems...
I wish we could go by with firewire only. Everything on firewire. HDs, modem, joystick, keyboard... Only analog output like Video and Audio would remain. BTW, most motherboards do not come with Firewire on, but I bet there must be a few out there with it.
Remember the year 2000? They promised us flying cars. They delivered the PT Cruiser...
If it's at WLAN level then goodbye.
Just wait a little and some shithead scriptkiddie prints 2000 black pages on your printer.
And if there is security all this stuff won't some cheaply.
Owner of a Mensa membership card.
bluetooth has always been about low power
this meassn that it can be put into phones
and washing machines, fridges, microwaves and of course keyboards, mice and microphones/speakers
Microsoft next keyboards are to be wireless and bluetooth
bluetooth is about short range low power 802.11b is about high power, long range and high bandwidth
bluetooth is pretty sweet its really the software that holding things back because their are lots of devices now
it terms of volume more bluetooth devices are made each day than 802.11b in a year
(pinch of salt bluetooth sig no. but a good idea about the volume)
regards
John Jones
Dammit. I was just about to go to the last page their Final Thoughts and the site gets slashdotted. Fucking Hey.
I like how his userID is "Say no to Apple" when Apple will be one of the first companies to integrate Bluetooth with all their units... and was the first to offer integrated OS-level support for the technology.
You can have been able to buy a Belkin USB Bluetooth adapter and use it out the box with OS X for months now.
Asshat.
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This is an article I wrote for another forum, I think it fits well in this discussion.
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Maxtor recently announced a 320GB ATA drive. This, in itself, isn't too remarkable, other than the quite large size jump. What is remarkable is that they are targetting it to somewhere that has never been specifically aimed at with ATA drives, the large corporate storage market.
About a year ago, my company was running out of hard disk space, again. We had filled up our 500GB main live SCSI RAID, and our 190GB work in process Fiber Channel RAID was looking pretty small and obselete.
For reference, we paid about $30,000 for the 500GB SCSI RAID only three years ago. The Fibre Channel RAID came about a year earlier and cost about $45,000. Support on both is over $5,000 a year.
Our main archive needs are for mostly dead storage, that is, speed is not critical, but availability is. The main archive was previously housed on a very slow 1TB tape robot. The tapes were becoming a bottleneck in our workflow, so about two years ago I designed a shell script system in IRIX to allow the files to be stored on live RAIDs without the risk of using older versions of files by accident.
This worked fine, but with the increased throughput, we also had increasing demands for more storage. Our archive has increased in size almost 100% since 2 years ago, and grows by nearly 5GB per week or more.
So, about a year ago, things were starting to get tight again. I looked at the options, and Maxtor 100GB ATA drives were out. I figured we could use Linux in this situation, and just attach the storage to the network, since speed was not critical. After some searching, I found 3ware, www.3ware.com, who makes a PCI ATA RAID controller that holds up to 8 drives and has good Linux support.
There were some issues at first, due to a hardware recall on 3ware's part, but after the bugs were worked out, I managed to build two NAS systems. These were a huge leap forward in terms of storage cost, each server cost about as much as we pay in one year of support on the old RAID systems, and were complete computers, compared to simple direct attached storage. We got 3 TB of storage for about $12,000.
These storage servers were pretty novel a year ago. Very few people had built multiple Terabyte systems from ATA drives at that point. Now they are becoming pretty common. For example, RaidZone (www.raidzone.com) makes a similar NAS (Network Attached Storage) product based on Linux. www.acnc.com is also embracing ATA as a viable platform for large RAID, though they are packaging it with special controllers that allow one to use the ATA RAID with any operating system, the OS sees the RAID as a single, directly attached storage device, through SCSI and fibre channel. This has the added benefit of allowing SCSI features like command reordering, and more robust command integrity checking.
The coming of serial ATA over the next year is serving to quickly push ATA into the mainstream low-to-mid end server market. For large data storage needs, tapes no longer offer a viable option. Linux based NAS and hardware based directly attached ATA storage are quickly becoming the de facto standard for large archival storage, at 25% or less of the cost of tapes, without the hassle that comes with the non-random access of tapes.
ATA is often viewed in the industry as a "consumer level" technology, or "not for serious use". This view is quickly becoming outdated with the wealth of new ATA based server products.
ATA in many ways has a history a lot like Linux's. It is a low cost technology, that is quickly eating away the market of more "serious" technologies like SCSI and Tape. This is the same way Linux is eating away at the old UNIX market, replacing so called "high end" servers with commodity hardware. It's no surprise that many ATA NAS products are Linux based, for an embedded system where cost is a primary concern, a Windows license would add unnecessarily to the cost, and reduce reliability while limiting the freedom of the developer to customize the system to the application.
Theere is a long history of lower cost disruptive technologies killing superior technologies. ATA isn't technologically better (yet). It is, however, good enough, and much much lower cost, and that's all it needs.
The lack of high speed 10,000 RPM ATA drives does tend to make it not currently viable for high speed, random access, low latency, applications at this point, such as heavily loaded databases. There is no reason a high RPM ATA drive could not be produced in the future though. In my experience, most high capacity storage needs are archival, or only require a low transaction rate with moderate to high data rates.
In terms of raw throughput, ATA RAID can easily outpace any SCSI RAID, do to the nature of the interface. ATA RAID is implemented like switched ethernet, each drive has its own channel to the host controller. SCSI and basic configurations of Fibre Channel are like old fashioned shared ethernet, ATA is like switched ethernet.
ATA is Linux's new partner in the server room. Together, they are drastically reducing the cost of operations, while at the same time, offering a much more capable solution for many common needs.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
USB, Firewire, ATA, Ethernet, Audio and NO FLOPPY! None of those seem too legacy.
Under no means would I consider WiFi to be high power.. In fact, the reason you can run these devices without an FCC license is becuase they broadcast with *very low* power. True, it's more powerful then bluetooth, but to call it high-power would be a misstatement.
I don't know if I agree with you about F/W but the size is certainly right.
Offtopic maybe?
The difference between the transmit power and total power consumption of a Wi-Fi device can be pretty high. Even though most radios only transmit 30mW they may consume 500mW of total power, which really strains battery-powered devices.
I'm assuming this is sold as a top-of-the-line full-featured motherboard. With RAID, USB2, 10/100 LAN, etc, and now also Bluetooth. Then why on freaking earth do they put a shitty AC'97 sound system into it? CMI8738 wasn't too expensive, last time I checked, and even if it's not perfect, it's way ahead of AC. AC'97 was designed for cheap stuff. That's not what I want in a good mobo.
I had that sort of thing integrated in mine, and got so fed with it I bought a real sound card (not a very expensive one, but one that didn't need to re-sample everything to 48 kHz).
Gets on my nerves.
D-Link has also been producing one, that is also MacOS X exclusive.
I would imagine the exclusiveness would be because Apple provided support for Bluetooth and saved D-Link et al. the software effort. So if we want to see these devices working on Linux and MS-Windows, then it is a matter of the relavent groups writing the necessary drivers.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
"In 2Q02, 802.11b hardware shipments grew 15%, totaling 3.9 million units." 3.9 million x 4 quaters/year = 15.6 million/year if volumes are at least flat for the next three quarters. x 365 = 5.7 billion bluetooth devices produced per year? I read in a magazine recently that the total number of computers ever produced is expected to reach one billion in the next few months.
Poking around the internet, all I see are projections that perhaps bluetooth unit volumes will catch up to 802.11 this year. "It is not fair to run comparisons between Bluetooth and WLAN regarding the number of chips being shipped or expected to be shipped for either technology. Because of its price and the type of products where it is going into, Bluetooth will soon surpass 802.11 chip shipments but dollar volume might still be smaller for some time."
"Our annual Bluetooth study predicted Bluetooth chipset shipments would rise from close to zero in 2000 to just over 10 million units in 2001, and the year will end not far from this figure."
Could you please post a reference for your claim that "more bluetooth devices are made each day than 802.11b in a year" or a retraction? Thanks in advance.
think not how many PC's but phones
all new phones have Bluetooth
take a long hard look at the semiconductor world and in terms of volume x86 makes up under 1% this year compare this to the ARM and MIPS world which make up your Set Top Box, NIC, and mobile phone
ask yourself how many phones per person ?
regards
John Jones
p.s. phone booth and of course www
p.p.s. I can actually format URL's cant you ?
This report estimates sales of Arm, MIPS, SH and PowerPC chips in 2001 was 539 million units. "For the first quarter of 2002, PC makers worldwide shipped 31.4 million PCs". So, that's 125 million PCs/year. That's a lower bound on annual x86 unit volume. Even if every PC were a uniprocessor, and even if that source's definition of "PCs" included every x86 application, from embedded to supercomputers, 125 million is still a lot more than 1% of 539 million.
Please post references or retractions for your claims that "in terms of volume x86 makes up under 1% this year compare this to the ARM and MIPS world", "more bluetooth devices are made each day than 802.11b in a year", and "all new phones have Bluetooth" (even if you meant all new designs of cellular and cordless phones, a reference would still be in order).
well why dont you phone up ARM or MIPS
and maybe do some work rather than just reading slasdot before you have to put in your copy
how do I know this ?
no geek would care for surveys I only knew it because I had to work in those places
regards
John Jones
I do try and get away from people like you