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Musicians vs. RIAA At USA Today

An anonymous reader writes "USA Today has an article about the growing friction between recording artists and the 5 major labels which make up the RIAA. Many issues are covered, including copyright reform, fraudulent accounting on the part of record labels, and how selling a quarter million albums can leave you owing your label $14,000."

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  1. Wait a minute... by Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, if the musicians don't like them, and we don't like them... why do they still exist?

    levine

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a wildly stuipid question. It's because they have unfair control of the market. Come on now, I would figure that most people that read slashdot can understand monopoly.

      And since they also control and finance their own bands, and control the content, and distribution and sales, and on and on. I'm sure you get the picture, they exist because yes they do control it. And they will continue controling it until the average consumer(not us) realize that this isn't good. Or we can convince the goverment that these guy are out to hurt us.

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    2. Re:Wait a minute... by Rader · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe it's just taking the artists longer to figure out what's going on. And definately a while to figure out what to do about it.

      It's like being screwed by your landlord. You know you don't like it. You should leave. But where will you live?

      It should be interesting as these multi-year contracts start to run out, and artists start to look for other solutions. (Unfortunately there aren't any other great solutions. Most of the good ones lack any real marketing) With sales not increasing, and artists speaking up, the Big-5 might actually have to do something.

      Or maybe not. I'm sure there's always another "Korn" willing to sign their lives away for fame.

    3. Re:Wait a minute... by aronc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I believe one of the problems in the industry is that multi-year deals are actually kind of out of flavour. Labels used to look for career musicians. Now they rent you for an album; if you sell, you might get one more album. Rince, lather, repeat.

      Read the article.. it's actually much worse than 'multi-year' right now. It's multi-[b]album[/b]. You sign to do say, 6 albums. If you don't sell well they can shelve you. No studio time, no advertising, nada. And you can't go anywhere else until you give them 5 more "releasable" albums. The company, of course, is the sole arbiter of what is "releasable" or not. Joan Osborn, after her first hit "What if God Was One of US", turned in two complete and finished albums both of which were rejected by the labels. That means she spent nearly 3 years working, owes them money on it, and of course the label still owns those songs even though they don't want them.

      Yeah, they might not release any more albums after the first. They might just "rent" you for an album. But they make damn sure the contract keeps you out of anyone elses hands for the duration just in case.

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  2. Time to seek alternatives. by OrangeSpyderMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    An interesting article by all means. Perhaps the time has come for all artists, new upcomers or old timers, to seek an alternative distribution model. I have often thought, considering the very slim royalties most performers receive from CD sales, that simply selling tunes direct to the customer on a website could put the power back where it belongs - in the hands of the people who have the talent.

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  3. Michael Jackson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Michael Jackson's recent high-profile leap onto the bandwagon was met with skepticism. In rallying support for his financial grievances against Sony Music, he asserted, "If you fight for me, you're fighting for all black people."



    Sorry, I may have missed something. Why the link between Michael Jackson and black people?



  4. Re:Easy by pyite · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Short anecdote: This June, I'm driving to Connecticut from Jersey in ridiculous rain. I stop at a Mobil gas station and go inside to get a coffee. It's dark, rainy, etc. I walk up to the door and look at the guy leaving as I'm going in. I go, "Mike?" He says, "Yup" and walks away. It happened to be Mike Gordon (coincidently look at my sig) from Phish, driving himself somewhere in a ragged T-Shirt and jeans. Now, here's a band that has untold gobs of money and yet still drive themselves around and don't really care what they look like. Here's also a band that gives away its music to any who would want to hear it. This is the kind of band the RIAA is scared of because they don't act greedy like the RIAA themselves.

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  5. Original Steve Albini article by Herbmaster · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can read the original piece by the brilliant Steve Albini here, and probably lots of other places. Thanks to some slashdot comment I read last week but have since lost.

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  6. Hmm, never thought of it like this... by daoine · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, once stated that the record business is the only industry in which the bank still owns the house after the mortgage is paid.

    I never thought of it like this before, but that's really what happens. What's worse - there's nothing more frustrating than a band changing labels -- the old label still owns all the band's old music, which unfortunately means that they take some pretty good stuff and stick it in a basement somewhere. This is where Janis Ian's suggestion of letting artist re-release their out-of-print stuff would really be of use. Of course, that would require the RIAA to give up some control...

  7. Leann Rimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Boy, did she get screwed.

    First, her parents signed her up with Curb Records for TEN albums when she was 12. She grossed over $300,000,000 for Curb Records. That's right, a third of a billion dollars.

    When her parents got divorced, her mom got to ride horses with the WalMart heirs, her dad lives in luxury, and Leann has enough to buy herself a used car.

    There are laws that are supposed to protect child stars from getting fucked like this. There isn't a single honest judge to enforce them, though. Leann is suing her dad, her label, and probably her mother, agents, and promoters. It's the judges that will do her in.

  8. Fear the Parrot! by gunnk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If Jimmy Buffett has his way (and looks like he is attracting some takers), the RIAA has more to fear from J.B. than from P2P. Check out this article on Buffett leading the charge against the big labels. With CD's cheap and easy to make, the RIAA and the big labels that make it up are going to have a harder and harder time justifying their existence. They can keep blaming P2P, but they'd better wake up to the fact that they can't keep treating their artists and customers like dirt -- the artists and customers CAN and WILL get together with or without them. I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore -- from Fruitcakes by J.B.

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  9. Pay back Bo Diddley! by Rader · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...Soul legend Sam Moore and other artists are suing record companies and the AFTRA Health and Retirement Funds (a separate entity from the union) for pension benefits. Atlantic, which has sold Moore's music since 1967, never deposited a nickel into his pension because of convoluted formulas tied to royalties. Not surprisingly, labels are balking at paying roughly 20,000 artists up to 30 years of back pension and health benefits.....

    I wonder if this includes the artists who died penniless. (Back pension to the widowed families)

    What would be nice is if they could reverse the law that lets the Big-5 keep the copyrights forever. Retrieval of copyrights back to the family of deseased artists could be a form of income for them.

    Although it's possible the Big-5 think of these as revenue for themselves, the fact is, they sit on them without re-releasing songs because it's not "profitable" to them. These families have smaller overhead, and it could be profitable for THEM.

  10. Re:Easy by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah. Nothing like walking by a yuppie bar and seeing a bunch of rich white guys standing around outside and saying things like, "Whazzat? Watchoo sayin?" "Yo, I said, Wassup, bitch?" "Mofo, I'm gonna bust a cap in yo ass!" Makes we want to drag them down to the nearest ER (where I used to work) and shove their faces in a convenient pool of blood. "That's 'wazzup,' you idiot."

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  11. Most shocking part of article by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

    "We're on the threshold of a whole new system," says Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards. "The time where accountants decide what music people hear is coming to an end. Accountants may be good at numbers, but they have terrible taste in music. I don't know how I'm going to get paid, but I'd rather go out into the brave new world than live with dinosaurs that are far too big for their boots."

    Someone UNDERSTOOD something Richards SAID!?

    He talks like Prince writes.

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  12. Keith Richards by tmark · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd rather go out into the brave new world than live with dinosaurs that are far too big for their boots.

    Anyone else get a laugh out of the fact that Keith Richards is derisively calling anyone a dinosaur ??

  13. How about this for a ridiculous contract term? by droopus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was a record producer for fifteen years and got out of the business because it simply sickened me. Here's an example:

    Artists are paid a points royalty on sale of master recordings (while songwriters are paid publishing royalties on the sales of songs). 15% (15 points) is quite a good royalty for a new band, or even one with a hit under their belt.

    But does that mean 15 points off all sales? Nope.

    It means 15% of 90% of the worldwide gross. Why 90%?

    Because in the 1940's (when the label business models we hate so much were established) lacquer records were still sold and many of them broke in shipment. A 10% "breakage allowance" was standard.

    It still is. CDs don't break. But the labels, almost without exception, skim 10% off the top for "breakage" before even getting to recoupment. If IBM skimmed 10% off their earnings before issuing dividends the Board would be crucified. But music labels? No problem!

    As for recoupment, the example given in the USA Today article is tame. I won't mention the name, but there is a band who has sold millions, for each of their more than five albums. But each time, video costs, recording costs, marketing/promotion costs, plane fares (for huge label entourages), hotel bills (for these same label execs) were all paid for by the band.

    Sum total? They sold 35 million records and still OWE the label over 2 million dollars.

    The system was devised in the 40's and has no place in the 21st Century. Hilary Rosen can whine all she wants, but the labels are truly in serious trouble due to their religious adherence to these ancient business models.

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  14. Fraudulent accounting... by vsavatar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While intentionally not paying royalties is obviously fraudulent accounting. The traditional system of applying overhead to jobs also needs to be eliminated because they're charging artists for idle time that's not the artists' fault, but the fault of the Labels. Take recording for instance. If a recording studio applies overhead based on the estimated number of studio hours they think they'll incur throughout the year, the overhead cost will be more per studio hour than if the studio applied overhead based on capacity of recording hours available which is the way it should be done. Artists should only have to pay for the time, labor, and materials it takes to produce their own albums, not the studio's idle time because they can't get enough business. While this will result in underapplied overhead for the studio and an increase in cost of sales, that's not the artists' fault and it shouldn't be their problem. The Labels and the studios need to find a way to bring their actual recording hours closer to capacity to get their profit margin back rather than overcharging the artists for it which is, unfortunately, still legal in the USA. This is why an album can sell 250,000 copies and still leave an artist owing money, because they're sticking it to them by overapplying overhead.

  15. Re:Easy by SirSlud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Major Label rappers who promote positve messages (and can be found in the stores you list):

    De La Soul
    Tribe Called Quest
    Black Eyed Peas
    Common
    Mos Def
    Talib Kwali
    The Roots

    The list goes on. That was my point. There are lots of positive rappers, but blame the marketers for not trying to sell it to you and the kids for not being interested in searching for a truth outside of the allure of gansta rap.

    As a slight aside, something that irks me about the dismissal of Gangsta Rap as having no redeeming value .. anyone who watches The Sopranos has no right to diss Gangsta Rap. Thats not to say that you value the Sopranos, but I want to make it perfectly clear that ALL cultures glamoize the criminal underworld. Both portray a glamorized, clean-cut interpretation of seedy underworlds; the only difference is that The Mafia seems to have some sort of romance that people identify with, where as most folks cant identify with the romance in the gangsta life. Thats not to say that there is any, since I cant find the romance in The Mafia culture, but hey, thats just my take. Selling and glamorizing the criminal element is not something the rap culture came up with - hell, the roots of rap are in positive social change (read up on HipHop Culture if you have time on your hands), but as usual, the commercialization of something tends to support the perversion of any positive message.

    There's plenty of good rap out there like there is plenty of good Nu Metal bands out there. But like food, the better it is, the less people will like it, and thus the less it will be promoted into the public conciousness.

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  16. Re:Since when do WHITE PEOPLE determine... by nathanm · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...who is black? I assume you must be white because you are an Anonymous Coward, hiding in anonymity like a KKK member in a hood.
    He may hide, but I'm not anonymous, neither am I a racist.

    As I remember, this statement was made at the National Action Network HQ. Are you going to debate that the Reverend Al Sharpton doesn't know who is black?
    Al Sharpton is an opportunistic vulture. Nobody's taken him seriously for several years. Besides, Michael suprised even Sharpton when he called Tommy Mottola a racist (see the MTV article).

    Race is not a skin color but an ethnicity. It's sad that this sort of message can be moderated as 'Funny' so quickly.
    Race is entirely a social construct. There is only one race, the human race. We're all the same color, just different shades. It is easily possible to be closer genetically to a person of a different so-called race, than somebody that looks fairly similar to yourself.
  17. Re:Easy by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's "Imma bussa cap in yo ass!"

    Anyone else get Jar-Jar flashbacks when they read this?

  18. Would you still steal music? by dtabraha · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Great article.
    The RAC has a good web site: http://www.recordingartistscoalition.com/

    Would you still share music illegally if the artist was getting the money directly?
    I think the biggest reason that a lot of people laugh off issues about music sharing is because we all know that the people complaining about music theft are the company fat cats, not the starving artists. The individual artist really isn't that affected when people share their music.

    Check the numbers.

    The RIAA lists around 800 recording companies as members. There are probably around 1,000 artists per recording company.

    Say Billy BadGuy hooks up with his 50 friends, each of which has 200 CDs that they have all ripped.
    By some magical twist of fate, no two people have the same CD, so we have a total of 10,000 different CDs that exist on the network to be illegally shared.

    (10,000 CDs * $16) / 800 recording companies = $200 per company

    Realistically there are probably only about 20 recording companies that likely produced the majority of those CDs.

    (10,000 CDs * $16) / 20 real recording companies = $8,000 per company

    On the artists side of the fence, if we assume that we have 10,000 different artists:

    (10,000 CDs * $16) / 10,000 artists = $16 per artist

    Realistically there are probably a few repeats, let's say 1/4 of the CDs are paired up with one other from the same artist. That means that 2,500 CDs belong to 1,250 artists, and the remaining 7,500 CDs belong to 7,500 artists.

    (2,500 CDs * $16) / 1,250 artists = $32 per artist (for 1,250 artists)

    (10,000 CDs * $16) / 8,750 artists = ~$18.29 per artist (average for artists)

    Pair all of this up with the average number of (signed) artists in the world:

    (7,500 artists + 1,250 popular artists) / 800,000 artists = 0.0109375

    That means that 1 percent of the artists are paying about $18 per 50 geeks sharing files, with the majority of them paying only $16.

    Now to poke at the RIAA's numbers some. They reported that they lost around 600 million dollars from 2000 to 2001 because of illegal file sharing. Using our above example:

    $600,000,000 lost / (10,000 CDs * $16) = 3,750 occurrences

    That means that the above example of 50 people with 200 unique CDs would have to have been repeated (uniquely) almost 3,750 times in order for the RIAA's posted losses to be correct.

    3,750 cases * 51 people per case = 191,250 unique naughty people

    (How many users are on SlashDot?)
    On top of that, their numbers would fail again if any one of the almost 200,000 people bought any CDs based on what they heard on these networks.

    Now any monkey with a keyboard should be able to sit here with these numbers and crunch out some figures, but in 99 out of 100 calculations, you're going to see this:

    Recording Artists + Recording Companies = RIAA Monopoly

    Besides all our fun number crunching, the article had some pretty good points.

    "Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, once stated that the record business is the only industry in which the bank still owns the house after the mortgage is paid."

    Not only do they still own the house, they can kick you out of it, sell it, and keep all the money.
    Then when you try to buy a new house with a different bank, they sue your ass!

    "...virtually all contracts renegotiated after a hit album added terms favoring the artist..."

    Well that's a no-brainer. Think of it as a poor man with a $5,000 house that the bank is trying to repossess. All of a sudden he wins the lotto and has $500,000,000. You can bet that bank will be a lot nicer, hoping he will keep all of his money in their bank accounts.

    "Artists know record companies are giving blood, sweat and millions of dollars to help them realize their dreams."

    Wonderfully vague statement that should be fun to pick apart.
    They neglect to mention that the blood they give is being sucked out of all the other artists that they've screwed over, and that the dreams they are realizing are for their own billion dollar mansions in La Hoya.

    Artists know record companies have been screwing people out of their dreams for years.
    To make another parallel, imagine that you want to buy a car so that you can go to work and make some money. So you go to your local GM dealer and find out that you have to pay them a bunch of money over a few years for the car. Ok that's not too bad, but wait...
    • You have to agree to buy another 5 cars from GM over the next 10 years?
    • You're not allowed to buy a car from any other manufacturer or they can sue you??
    • You can't get any warranty that the car won't break down even driving it off the lot???
    • You're not even allowed to test drive the car????

    It's not surprising that independent artists end up happily riding horses for most of their career. Sure you might not be able to get on the expressway, but if your ass hurts from too much riding at least you can get off of the horse.

    "You have record companies bought and sold on the strength of copyrights created by artists who sign away all rights in perpetuity to a faceless corporation."

    Who knew Don Henley was so eloquent?