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Are Flagan writes with the review below of Hacker Culture. Flagan says this book "truly marks the entry of the 'hacker' into the realm of academia" -- a point which has both good and bad consequences. Read on to see if you might enjoy Hacker Culture as much as Flagan did. Hacker Culture author Douglas Thomas pages 266 publisher University of Minnesota Press rating 10(ish) reviewer Are Flagan ISBN 0816633452 summary A new critical history of hacker culture

Let me first recapitulate two brief preludes that figure prominently in Hacker Culture:

  1. Around 1970 John Draper discovered that a freebie whistle included with Captain Crunch cereal sounded a tone that allowed him, as a literal whistle-blower, to take control of the phone line. Sounding the frequency of 2600 Hz, the high-pitched toy quickly sprouted a cottage industry of small electronic devices called "blue boxes" (first built by Draper) that emitted the commanding tune. Shortly thereafter, in 1971, Steven Jobs and Steven Wozniak built hordes of the boxes and sold them to students in the Berkeley dorms. Jobs and Wozniak would go on to build and found Apple computers by employing the same principle: take existing knowledge and turn it to profit by, eventually, making appropriation proprietary. (Slashdot readers are no doubt familiar with the fact that Mac OS X is not much more than an "aqualicious" -- and expensive -- wrap of FreeBSD.)

  2. The first personal computer was arguably the Altair. It came as a raw DIY kit that required soldering for assembly and programming to make it work. An early success in coding came in the form of Altair BASIC, a programming language adopted from mainframe systems by Paul Allen and Bill Gates. Unlike other hobbyists who shared their exploits freely, Allen and Gates decided to charge for their adaptation, but were quickly thwarted in their race to the goldmine by the sharing of software at computer clubs, an action that prompted Gates to call fellow developers thieves. For these hobbyists, the notion that programs could be secret and had to be purchased violated the tradition of programming as an ongoing collaboration. The births of our two major personal computing platforms, Mac and PC, consequently both stem from significant changes in the relations between openness and secrecy, sharing and ownership.

In Hacker Culture, Douglas Thomas provides a rewarding account of what preceded and followed these developments, charting the evolution of cracking and hacking from early yet seasoned programmers, generally found at Ivy League departments or under ARPA jurisdiction, to the demonized teenage villains of the 1990s. Although the term "hacking" has become somewhat of an umbrella misnomer to cover diverse behaviors bridging half a century, Thomas does it remarkable justice through, as he puts it, "an effort to understand hacking as an activity that is conditioned as much by its history as by the technology that it engages." To this end, he seeks to engage the role of hacking from an expansive and useful perspective, covering the hacker relationship to technology and society, representation of the hacker through both mainstream media and outlets such as TAP, Phrack and 2600, as well as the juridical construction of the criminalized hacker, which is basically a fancy term for Kafkaesque travesties of justice (the cases of Kevin Mitnick and Chris Lamprecht are analyzed in depth).

Hacker Culture is thankfully not a stylized look at subculture, as an embryonic cult aspiring to become marketable culture, but rather a much broader view of the increasingly computerized networks that comprise society. It is an intelligent exploration beyond the package-design boxes of software, covering our documents, and the product-design casings of computers, housing our institutions. Seen from, or via, an autonomous, skilled perspective on the command line, Hacker Culture provides an indispensable insight into a history of computing that it has become increasingly important to understand for computer users of all levels and abilities. As such, it is perhaps best suited, and intended, for those who do not frequent sites like this, but even pundits with Slashdot bookmarked since it was listed in the root will presumably enjoy the thoughtful analysis Thomas brings to the subject.

A lingering criticism, not exactly directed at the book, is that this publication truly marks the entry of the "hacker" into the realm of academia, where this figure will be dissected ad nauseam along with other minority reports concerned with the so-called radical fringes. Earlier blockbusters on the hacker topic, like Steven Levy's eponymous Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution from 1994, had a certain "sensationalist" appeal that, akin to William Gibson's Neuromancer, drew more of their leitmotifs from classic frontier westerns than cultural criticism. Instead of reading about jacking in and cracking from these primal sources, we got a ton of obligatory theory that read between the lines and reported on the findings at twice the length. Thomas, although he writes both eloquently and lucidly in an entertaining style, is fundamentally connecting the dots of theoretical writing as a second-generation commentator, frequently quoting Levy, for example, and at times the discussion embarks on rather redundant pontifications as a result. (Recall how you can guess the subject of most connect-the-dots outlines, while it usually takes a child careful tracing to number 147 or so before a shriek of joy recognizes the rabbit.) Such misgivings, which are essentially more inspired by the predictable rhetorical mode of academia than this book, are however relatively minor compared to the welcome prospects of actually having some core ideas about free information and open-source computing distributed to a wider audience.

A question remains about what will happen to the figure of the hacker now that we have had, and discussed, both Matthew Broderick, in Hollywood's War Games, and Kevin Mitnick, in jail. In Hacker Culture, both lay claim to capture and coach the collective imagination with regards to what informed autonomy means and the paybacks it receives. Perhaps the future, following Hacker Culture, will prepare a better balance between revered stardom, obscene bankrolls, criminal records and lone isolation cells?

Reviewer Are Flagan has trouble remembering his own passwords. You can purchase Hacker Culture from bn.com. Slashdot welcomes readers' book reviews -- to see your own review here, read the book review guidelines, then visit the submission page.

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  1. This calls for by MrFredBloggs · · Score: 4, Funny

    a tedious Kuro5hin style `debate` (two opposing sides not listening to each other) about why it's Cracker and not Hacker (or vice versa).

    1. Re:This calls for by ajs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      History loses to coloquial usage. "hacker" now has a common meaning: one who exploits flaws in computer security to gain access to computers and networks or to disable them. and a sub-culture definition among computer programmers and administrators: (a) a person who is primarily driven to explore technology by curiosity, and who indulges this curiosity in order to learn, often without regard to social convention (b) as (a), but used among computer programmers to define a type of programmer, specifically

      These two sets of definitions were caused (as best I can tell) when the latter definition was used to describe Robert Morris Jr. to the popular media. Because Mr. Morris was responsible for the largest-scale computer intrusion yet measured in 1987 (the so-called "Internet Worm"), the media assumed that this term refered only to invasive and/or unauthorized "hacking", which was not true, but turned out to be too subtle a distinction to convey to the press.

      The attempt, after the fact, to promulgate the term cracker to replace this mistaken definition of hacker met only limited success among those who already used hacker according to its traditional meaning.

      What complicated the situation even more was the advent of the so-called "script kiddies", a sub-culture of disaffected youth who did not match the (comparitively altruistic) historical definition of hacker, but did meet the new, media-driven definition. This schism was forever imortalized in the movie, "Hackers", which besides being a terribly written movie also contained non-classic-hacker script kiddies, idealized to the level of pop heroes.

      So, IMHO, when you say "hacker", you mean the media definition unless you are among a sub-culture which would recognize the classic meaning. Get over it.

      Aaron Sherman - Hacker at large (and large hacker:)

  2. Another source of hacker history by Drunken+Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    If anyone likes the idea of a hacker history and doesn't have the time to do the reading, I'd recommend Pirates of Silicon Valley. It aired a few months ago on TV and covers most of what the reviewer talks about.

    Very cool to see the history of something that is still so alive today

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    1. Re:Another source of hacker history by JordoCrouse · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or just read Hackers , which is original and best account of the Hacker culture. All others are just imitations.

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    2. Re:Another source of hacker history by pkalkul · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In her book on the origins of the broadcasting industy (Inventing American Broadcasting), the historian Susan Douglas provides an excellent chapter on the amateur radio operators of the early decades of the 20th century. These were young men who begged, borrowed and stole to construct cool but essentially useless technologies (sound familiar?), used them to show off to their friends, chat idly, and piss off authorities at Marconi Wireless and the US Navy. If you were to replace the word amateur radio operator with the word hacker it would read like a chapter from Steve Levy - except that Douglas provides a more critical (in the good way) of this phenomenon. She argues that is reflect shifts in the job market (an increase in white-collar, technologically oriented occupations), changing notions of masculinity (based on mastery of technology rather than physical prowess), etc.

      An excellent read, and it provides a much-needed historical context for understanding hackers. A useful counter to the usual sensational literature (hacker as genius, hacker as criminal, hacker as arrested adolescent, hacker as cowboy), etc.

    3. Re:Another source of hacker history by bdktty · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Where Wizards Stay Up Late: The Origins of the Internet
      by Katie Hafner, Matthew Lyon

      Very interesting book about the origin of computers that could talk to each other. Highly recomended.

    4. Re:Another source of hacker history by Paladin84 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only people to call it Hackers 2 are the kids on Kazaa and gnutella "sharing" it. It's called Takedown, and is based on the Shimomura book with the same name. Depending on which side of the story you choose to believe, it's largely fictional. If you're looking for it, it was released on DVD in France as Cyber Traque. It can be found here.

  3. Hackers by RiotXIX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was introduced to computers from the hacker culture presented in the (mediocre) film hackers when I was in early teens. People grouch quite a lot about the portrayal of hackers in modern culture (speckled 'evil' nerd - 2600 letters often have stories of people who enjoy hacking and informing administrators of vulnerabilities getting suspended, and associated with people like the trenchcoat mafia), but I found the film really interesting - the characters seemed like normal people for a change (not segrated because of seclusiveness or 'black clothes', but because they were just smarter).

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    "You know you don't act like a scientist, you're more like a game show host." Dana Barret
    1. Re:Hackers by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 2

      Normal People?

      Acid Burn - She is Angelina Jolie. Enough said.

      Cereal Killer - Rubs his nipples, steals french fries, has dreadlocks and quotes scripture.

      Joey - The only normal one.

      Zero Cool - crashed 1500 (and 7!) systems when he was 12, hasn't used a computer in 6 years, and he can still sploit all the latest FBI systems.

      Lord Nikon - Has a rainman-like photographic memory, but hasn't gone crazy.

      Hackers was a great music video for the latest techno, but not much of a movie on real hacker culture.

      Maybe the way hackers see themselves in their own mind because they have read too many gibson novels.

  4. Is there gratuitous... by motardo · · Score: 3, Funny

    hacking the GIBSON in this book?

  5. Really.. shall we start from the top? by wackybrit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why oh why do we have to go over this again?

    figure of the hacker now that we have had, and discussed, both Matthew Broderick, in Hollywood's War Games, and Kevin Mitnick, in jail.

    Matthew Broderick, in WarGames, and Kevin Mitnick, in 'low security but you still get pounded up the ass' prison, were not hackers.. they were crackers.

    Hackers are friendly quiche eating Pascal programmers and Mac users, whereas crackers are naughty people who do a lot of hacking.

    Crackers are also quite nice with some cheese on them.

    1. Re:Really.. shall we start from the top? by jdcook · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, I believe the preferred terms are GNU/Hacker and GNU/Cracker.

      --
      Q:How many libertarians does it take to stop a Panzer division? A:None. Obviously market forces will take care of it.
  6. Eponymous? by crush · · Score: 4, Funny
    Earlier blockbusters on the hacker topic, like Steven Levy's eponymous Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution from 1994
    Huh? If Steven Levy had published an eponymous book it would have been entitled "Steven Levy".
    1. Re:Eponymous? by God!+Awful · · Score: 2


      Huh? If Steven Levy had published an eponymous book it would have been entitled "Steven Levy".

      This bugged me as well. I don't consider myself a grammar-Nazi, but if you are going to use deliberately abstruse language (e.g. "leitmotifs" instead of simply "motifs") you probably ought to know what the word means.

      -a

    2. Re:Eponymous? by crush · · Score: 2

      Yeah. I have to confess to being a pedant when I'm in a bad mood, but what really bugs me is trying to make a simple point in fancy language.
      I was annoyed because I had to spend extra time figuring out what the reviewer meant. He obscured his meaning in order to sound smart.

  7. Which 'hackers'? by Otter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'm surprised to find myself raising the hacker/cracker distinction, but I'm entirely confused as to what this book is about.

    Most of the time the reviewer is talking about "intruder" types, like Kevin Mitnick, Phrack and 2600, but then periodically jumps over to Steven Levy and the Altair, using a much more Jargon File-ish use of "hacker".

    I don't care particularly which word is used but came away from the review without a clear idea of what the book is about.

  8. And The New Hacker's Dictionary is...??? by shoppa · · Score: 2
    Flagan says this book "truly marks the entry of the 'hacker' into the realm of academia"

    If this is the first, where does The New Hacker's Dictionary come in? Not mainstream enough? It is much more than just the Jargon File.

    1. Re:And The New Hacker's Dictionary is...??? by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure ESR's name in BIG BOLD TYPE really qualifies as much more than just the Jargon File.

    2. Re:And The New Hacker's Dictionary is...??? by nomadic · · Score: 2

      If this is the first, where does The New Hacker's Dictionary [amazon.com] come in? Not mainstream enough? It is much more than just the Jargon File.

      Huh? You're equating "academia" with "mainstream"? They're usually diametrically opposing styles.

      The New Hacker's Dictionary is TOO mainstream; why it's enjoyable to read, I wouldn't exactly call it academically rigorous.

  9. Takedown by FyRE666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Another decent read, in my view was Takedown - the story of notorious "cracker" Kevin Mitnick. Although the author, Tsutomu Shimomura takes all the credit for doing aboslutely everything, and portrays his team and associates as bumbling idiots, the story about Kevin's life and habits is quite interesting.

    Another pretty good story was "The Watchman" which was about Kevin Poulson, the famous Ma Bell phone switch hacker. This guy was a real freak! The ultimate geek, at one stage he had a stolen phone switch taking up most of his living room in his appartment, along with stolen unix terminals etc. He was the guy who kept winning phone competitions by controlling the phone equipment, and sending goths along to pick up the prizes! ;-)

    1. Re:Takedown by Your_Mom · · Score: 3, Informative
      Another good book is "The Fugitive Game" by John Littman. Highly Recommend this book to anyone who has ever read Takedown, as it provides a more (IMHO) realistic, albeit shorter, view of the arrest of Kevin. The book overall follows Kevin during his time as a fugitive, in which he had telephone conversations with the author. Kevin even says the book is a very accurate portrayal of what really happened. Buy this book, now. :)

      Man, I think I am going to have to pull that book off my shelf this weekend and start it again.

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    2. Re:Takedown by JabberWokky · · Score: 2
      Another decent read, in my view was Takedown - the story of notorious "cracker" Kevin Mitnick.

      Not the greatest book factually, but far better than the movie, which has Mitnick cracking Shimomura over the head in an alley when in real life they never met each other until one day in court.

      Incidently, a great movie is 'Freedom Downtime', the documentary about the 2600 club's organized nationwide protest against the movie Takedown. Sucessful in that it never got a US theatrical release, it also covers a bit of the Free Kevin movement and the harrassment and violence two other hackers have been subjected to. Really nicely done, it literally confronts the newsmen who published incorrect facts about hackers and makes you realize that they knew better - they just wanted a better story.

      Good movie - I saw an early version of it at I-Con in Spring 2001, but it's available for sale at 2600.com now.

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  10. now if only people will read it... by LinuxWoman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Living in a small town and being able to work command lines has people in total fear of me. People assume that because I can really use a computer I'm some sort of nefarious hacker just waiting for the chance to steal all their financial info.

    When are non-geek types going to realize that being a serious computer user, system admin or even a programmer doesn't mean you're ALSO a hacker? When will they start taking a bit of responsibility for securing their systems? Most hackers I've met here are script kiddies who couldn't hack a wet paper bag if the people in the area bothered installing security patches...

    1. Re:now if only people will read it... by Punk+Walrus · · Score: 4, Funny
      Most hackers I've met here are script kiddies who couldn't hack a wet paper bag

      This got me to think about how I would hack a wet paper bag.

      Test Subject: Plain small paper bag from a plastic bag of paper bags labeled, simply, "Paper lunch bags." Then I soaked it in water for 2 minutes, shook off the excess water, and laid it down flat.
      Software used: I used Red Hat Linux (6.3) and a variety of tools on Windows 2000 (with SP1).

      My first attempt was to connect the paper bag to the network. Lacking any RJ11 port, I was forced to assume it was wireless. I placed it on my cable router, in hopes that it would try and boot to DHCP. I waited a long time, but it did not attempt to gain IP access. This would be harder than I thought.

      Then I thought maybe it I wrapped the bag around the head of a Cat5 cable, maybe that would work. No luck. It just sat there, inert. I tested the Cat5 cable on a known working system, and found it did not work. I tried another, but while this worked, it did not work on the wet paper bag.

      I searched google for "wet paper bag" and "2600 wet paper bag" and Usenet for "wet paper bag." It did not return any useable results, although it appears that quite a lot of people assume script kiddies cannot hack one, either. I checked the TCP/IP manual that came with my Cisco training, and did not find anything that might help. I had no idea what level of the OSI layer would work on a wet paper bag, but I assumed if it was hackable, it would have to at least get to layer 2. So I attached it to an old X.25 serial cable, and tried frame routing, but all I got were device timeouts. Wet paper bags are a LOT more secure than I thought!

      After a day of this, I thought I had finally gotten a login prompt, but I found I accidentally was using the IP address of my other LINUX box.

      I asked around, and found a script kiddie at the local comic book store. I asked him if he could hack a wet paper bag, but instead of answering, he became angry, and asked me what cable service I used. I didn't think it would help, but I told him everything I knew. Later when I got home, my ZoneAlarm had crashed in what I am guessing was a DOS attack.

      So far, I have concluded I cannot hack a wet paper bag, either. I have shown my results to my boss, and soon, "WPB Protocol" will replace OpenBSD as the security standard in all our offices. That gives me only 3 weeks to learn how to program one. I hope there a gcc for it...

    2. Re:now if only people will read it... by tiny69 · · Score: 2

      WPB Protocol . . . good April Fool RFC material.

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  11. They couldn't hack a wet paper bag... by fireboy1919 · · Score: 2

    IIS only runs on PCs. My guess is that this "wet paper bag" architecture you speak of usually runs Apache.

    Most hackers I've met here are script kiddies who couldn't hack a [server] if the people in the area bothered installing security patches (i.e. Linux).

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  12. Not light reading... by mookie-blaylock · · Score: 5, Informative

    I picked this book up over the summer on a whim. I expected a fairly interesting read that might tend to romanticize the image of hackers in some way.

    Not so. The book is actually very dense, and looks at hackers/hacker culture in a more sociological/anthropological context, examining norms and values of the subculture versus traditional society and so forth.

    It's interesting and I moved through it fairly quickly, but it's not really light reading. It basically reads like someone's thesis paper or something. And there are enough typos that it just might drive you nuts. But on a four hour flight, I would much rather read this than the thrilling American Airlines magazine.

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  13. I am just tired by ACK!! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wish there was a book that did an enertaining job of chronicling the culture surrounding the people that made the IT world what it is today that did not refer to HACKERS, get them mixed up with CRACKERS and did not play exclusively to the culture of personality around Gates and Jobs.

    Sure, Gates and Jobs should play a big part in chronicle of history around the progress in the computer industry and software industries, sure. However, what about Bill Joy, Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie?

    They played a big part too. It was not in the PC world sure but it impacted Universities and Corporations on a very large scale. What about talking over the rise of Open Source in a way that did not either make it sound like a magical revolution cheering it forward as the only future or making sound like some horrible fifties commie plot? What about going over it in a detached objective fashion while still capturing the personality and excitement people have?

    I am still looking for a good history of the Hacker/IT/Computer Revolution that takes in interesting truly balanced approach.

    Does anyone have a good example?

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    1. Re:I am just tired by xphase · · Score: 3, Informative
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    2. Re:I am just tired by bwhaley · · Score: 2

      Check out Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution by Stephen Levy. It's a great read and does justice to most of the important players in early personal computing. I only wish there was a hardcover edition.

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      "I either want less corruption, or more chance
      to participate in it." -- Ashleigh Brilliant
  14. Just curious... by Steve+G+Swine · · Score: 4, Funny
    basically a fancy term for Kafkaesque travesties of justice
    What would the plain term for that be?
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  15. Hacker culture, eh? by hyacinthus · · Score: 2

    Hm. Hey, all the pages are blank!

    hyacinthus (as are the pages of the book's sequel, _Hacker Philosophy_)

  16. The Cuckoo's Egg by fumanchu898 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you want good books that show what hackers were doing to military installations and whatnot in the mid-80's, try reading 'The Cuckoo's Egg' or 'Masters of Deception'. These books will give you a good look at how Tymnet was more full of holes that Swiss cheese at that point is history. 'The Cuckoo's Egg' is better, but they are both enjoyable, from a hacker's perspective.

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    1. Re:The Cuckoo's Egg by motardo · · Score: 2

      "The Cuckoo's Egg" is definitely one of my favorite books, it was one of those books that I could not put down. Great book. "Masters of Deception" is a book that I read in high school, and very thoroughly enjoyed, I'll pick it up again.

  17. Great idea, poor implementation. by crazyphilman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My main problem with this book is that although the subject matter is fascinating, the actual writing is tedious, and follows an extremely dry academic style. I felt like I was reading a graduate-level sociology dissertation. Ho, hum. Material this interesting deserves a much better treatment.

    Jeez, getting through the introduction was a chore. I was reminded of the Bataan Death March. The introduction was the worst. It was like an endless academic spiel, just going on, and on, and on, and on (but you get the idea). BREVITY IS THE SOUL OF WIT, MAN! Sigh...

    Still...

    He means well. And, for an academic audience, the book might be helpful in that it might frame hackers in a more positive, more accurate light.

    But, Jesus, does he ramble. I think a much better-written book on hackers is "Hackers" by Steven Levy, which follows the original MIT hackers, and traces up through the microcomputer companies and game developers that came later. I'd like to see Mr. Levy do a followup, taking us from the early nineties to the present. He's a much more animated, interesting writer (no disrespect to the academic style of "hacker culture", it's just a little dry).

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  18. Re:more level-headed view of "hackers" by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 2

    Actually it wasn't about the creation of the VAX, it was about the creation of Data General's competitor to Digital Equipment Corporation's (DEC) much revered VAX.

  19. review is flamebait ? by scrutty · · Score: 5, Insightful
    > Slashdot readers are no doubt familiar with the fact that Mac OS X is not much more than an "aqualicious" -- and expensive -- wrap of FreeBSD.

    fact ? eh ? If the whole of OS X is not much more than a wrap of FreeBSD then how come the good GNUstep folks are still struggling to complete a workalike after nearly a decade ?

    There is a heck of a lot more to OS X than just Darwin you know , just like there is a whole lot more to GNU than just linux.

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  20. Re:Hmph....looks interesting... by Golias · · Score: 3, Funny

    Interesting, yes, although I found the blurb, "truly marks the entry of the 'hacker' into the realm of academia" kind of puzzling. Didn't hackers come from the realm of academia in the first place? The first hackers were, after all, kids in places like UC Berkely and MIT.

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  21. Hacker Vs Cracker by phorm · · Score: 2

    And just because you're a hacker doesn't mean you do anything illegal or nefarious. The term also indicates people in certain professions, or who do many forms of intense but not illegal code-hacking on PC's

    Who replace my cat-in-bag with a can-of-worms? - phorm

  22. A book that covers the individual hacker by dr_canak · · Score: 2, Informative

    and their relationship to the hacker culture and mainstream culture is:

    "Underground"

    Which is available, in its entirety here:

    http://www.underground-book.com/download.php3

    What I really liked about this book was the indepth story telling about several hackers, their relationships with other hackers (globally I might add), their relationships with family and other "non-hackers," and their general makeup as people.

    After reading this, I felt I had a much better appreciation of the importance that the hacker culture can have for some people. The hacker underground was clearly a place where these kids felt most comfortable, and in some cases provided an important level of social support that they didn't otherwise have access to.

  23. What would Dr. Evil Do? by PD · · Score: 2

    Living in a small town and being able to work command lines has people in total fear of me.

    !!!!!!!!

    Holy crap man! Don't you see the possiblities here? You can make them all your PERSONAL SLAVES! Get on it right away!

  24. Also funny because... by Interrobang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...most hackers have traditionally been found in, on, or near large, well-computerized research universities.

    In fact, that person sitting next to you in class could be a hacker! Your prof could be a hacker! Your friendly school janitor could be a hacker!

    (Are you now, or have you ever been a hacker?)

    Heh...

    Academicians have been talking about hackers for a long time. (I seem to recall writing a paper on the subject for a grad school class, and doing some reading up for it, anyway.) Maybe people just didn't notice until now.

  25. Draper Didn't Discover the Crunch Whistle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...I can't believe people still think Captain Crunch (John Draper) discovered that the whistles inside Captain Crunch Cereal were able to emit roughly 2600hz tones. It was actually a group of blind phone phreaks who Draper hung with. This is known, has been known a long time, and even Draper has admitted as such in a number of interviews (after he's gotten older, after his supply of young hackers has essentially been assured based on his "reputation").

    Please, don't perpetuate a falsehood. And no, you really don't want any "stretching exercises".

  26. Hmmm by teslatug · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This reads like a transcript for that TLC program about hackers:
    Hackers: Computer Outlaws

  27. What ever happened to Xanadu? by Gerry+Gleason · · Score: 2
    In a way, I think one of the best books to explore hackerdom from the inside is _Computer_Lib/Dream_Machines_ by Ted Nelson. I wish my original copy in the large format hadn't disappeared in a move or something. Probably somewhat of a collector's item now.

    Kind of ironic that the Microsoft Press reprinted it more recently, although that copy of mine doesn't have a very good binding and is falling apart.

  28. Lol, you called your shot Babe! (as in Ruth) by BoomerSooner · · Score: 2

    I'm impressed with the called shot of Flamebait. However it might not have been flamebait had you backed up your post. Realistically I don't see anything wrong with the description of Darwin. #1 it is aqualicious (I'm assuming this as a good adjective) and it damn sure is expensive (I have 3 mac's and they are worth every penny). So if you had commented as to why that was an incorrect description maybe you wouldn't have had to call your own shot.

    Just my thoughts.....

  29. Re:more level-headed view of "hackers" by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 2

    Only as background to the main point of the book, the development of the "Eagle".