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Kazaa Continues to Evolve

Zephy writes "The New York Times (free registration etc.. ) has an article about a new partnership between Kazaa, and Tiscali, the European internet access provider. Seems that Kazaa will carry ads for Tiscali's broadband services in return for a cash 'bounty' when a user signs up for broadband. To quote the article, 'This gives legitimacy to KaZaA.' Also, Cnet has an article about the new Kazaa version which has features designed to help users avoid corrupt or wrong files such as those spread around p2p by the MP/RIAA."

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  1. Finally by batboy78 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I like to have all of my pr0n named properly

    1. Re:Finally by gabec · · Score: 3, Interesting

      so what's to keep the MPAA from making a bunch of profiles and then going around marking legitim...err.. uh... appropriately named files... as fakes?

  2. The clock is ticking by Njoyda+Sauce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How soon till the RIAA slams Kazaa as long and hard as Napster? Surely they don't think that joining forces with European companies somehow protects them from the long arm of the RIAA?

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    1. Re:The clock is ticking by forgoil · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why shouldn't RIAA stop them? If they would have done legal business instead of spreading illegal copies of copyrighted material I don't think that RIAA would stop them.

      Whine all you want, but it is justifying theft, one way or the other, to think that it is ok to have services such as Kazaa.

      I hate RIAA as much as the next guy, and I am not too happy about MPAA either, but then again, I am not happy about a lot of things really, but that doesn't make me some kind of moral superhero for the people...

    2. Re:The clock is ticking by NineNine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I'm wondering, and I've asked this before, is is there any way for the RIAA to "shut down" Fasttrack? Is Fasttrack as distributed as they say it is? If there were servers for the RIAA to attempt to shut down, is it enough to shut down all of the Fasttrack network?

    3. Re:The clock is ticking by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Whine all you want, but it is justifying theft, one way or the other, to think that it is ok to have services such as Kazaa.

      We should shut down FedEx too. Last I heard, they had delivered lots of illegal things to sketchy people. Clearly we must ensure that people are on tigbht-fitting technological leashes so they don't have to think or act accountable for their actions. Welcome to utopia, where, if you can physically do it, it must be okay! Never think about the consequences of your individual actions again!

      Would you be the first to turn in your friends and family, or are the people that made the tools responsible for bending and warping their puny little minds into acts of wonton piracy?

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    4. Re:The clock is ticking by Bamfsog · · Score: 4, Informative
      The difference between FedEx and the Kazaa/Napster networks is that the MAJORITY of the file sharing network's content is a problem. Their primary business and attraction to end users is the illegal content.

      There was an article in the news the other day about a guy selling weed at KFC, and slipping it into the orders. The majority of the business being done was still tasty chicken, so KFC wasn't the problem. If they had removed 90% of their menu and replaced it with Weed, then they would be shutdown.

    5. Re:The clock is ticking by Planesdragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1: It's "wanton", not "wonton."

      2: FedEx and other true "Common Carriers" have no way to tell that the contents of one wrapped package are illegal--and if they do (i.e., it's got a "do not export" label on the outside and is being shipped to Iraq), they've probably allready been sued to stop & check.

      VCR recorders were declared legal because a significant legal use was declared--and then followed through on. What's the significant legal use of KaZaa, again?

    6. Re:The clock is ticking by dustman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would you be the first to turn in your friends and family, or are the people that made the tools responsible for bending and warping their puny little minds into acts of wonton piracy?

      Arrr, me eye spots another trade ship from the orient! Ready the cannons, and pull hard to starboard! Wonton soup for everyone who lives through it boys, and if luck be with us, we'll score some crab rangoons and general tso's chicken!

  3. Observation by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Insightful


    'This gives legitimacy to KaZaA' means the same things as 'This paints a big bulls-eye on KaZaA's back for Rosen & Valenti to shoot at.'

  4. How does this give legitimacy? by BoomerSooner · · Score: 4, Funny

    The line is what? "Sign up for broadband and you can steal even more music online!"

    Sounds legit to me. (end sarcasm)

  5. Legitimacy, arrrrr by tuxedo-steve · · Score: 5, Funny
    To quote the article, 'This gives legitimacy to KaZaA.'
    Yes, and to quote the KaZaA CEO:
    "Arrr, me harties! This be giving us legitimacy! We sail for New Orleans, with our bounty of broadband gold and pirrrrated MP3s!"
    Just because you're the King of Spain's privateering vessel doesn't mean you don't have a peg-leg and a parrot. Get me?
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  6. Don't download it! by Mr_Silver · · Score: 4, Informative
    Obvious point for some, but still I'll make it.

    Wait until Kazaa Lite is released before you go downloading it. Unfortunately www.kazaalite.com doesn't work any more but doa2.host.sk (which is where www.k-lite.tk points to) does.

    At the moment they only have 1.7.2 up there, but give them a chance and check back next week.

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    1. Re:Don't download it! by Schnapple · · Score: 3, Informative
      How do you know they didn't put another "home-made" spyware into Kazaa Lite?
      The way you know is this - you fire up Ad-Aware, the NAV of Spyware, and you check. Check before and after you install it.

      The deal is this - "real" Kazaa has spyware. Remove spyware and Kazaa refuses to run/work. Kazaa Lite is a hacked Kazaa that uses an empty file instead of the Spyware DLL Kazaa uses. When you install Kazaa Lite it tells you to let a particular file slip past Ad-Aware, as Ad-Aware will think it is a spyware file but really it's an empty useless file (pop it into Notepad to verify).

      If Kazaa Lite "pulled a Gator" and just replaced Kazaa's spyware with its own then Ad-Aware would catch it. Is it possible that Kazaa Lite could just replace the spyware DLL with its own? Yeah, it's possible, and if that possibility scares you off then file sharing is not for you.

    2. Re:Don't download it! by NineNine · · Score: 3

      If you're still getting ads after removing Kazaa and using Kazaalite, then you have something else still installed on your box. I've checked Kazaalite, and it's very clean. Don't badmouth Kazaa Lite when the culprit is your own machine.

    3. Re:Don't download it! by kasparov · · Score: 3, Informative

      Do you know how many geeks you file sharing? Guess how many of us download and install software, open a network sniffer, and watch the traffic that goes by... I guarantee that you'd have verification that Kazaa Lite included spyware within an hour of them adding it.

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  7. wow by laserjet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's the main gist of the article, boiled down into a single rock:

    "Under the deal, KaZaA's owner, Sharman Networks Ltd., will advertise high-speed Internet access provided by Tiscali, an Italian Internet provider, to its tens of millions of European users. In return Tiscali, which serves around seven million customers in 15 countries, will pay Sharman a "bounty" for each KaZaA user who signs up for its high-speed access service."

    Seems like an OK move for both companies, but I think there are so few people that actually look at and consider banner ads that it won't do much good. On the plus side, Kazaa gets another partner.

    It does seem a bit funny that a high speed ISP would partner up with a file-sharing company that eats up all their bandwidth. While some ISPs are figuring out how to ban them, others are joining with them. I hope they have a lot of bandwidth to spare.

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  8. What about the other wrong labels? by Corvaith · · Score: 3, Informative

    The one time I tried Kazaa, I didn't drop it because of the ads or any of that junk. I don't like it, but that's life. I dropped it, in the end, because every time I tried to download /anything/, it seemed like, the labels were wrong. The filename said one thing, the label said something else, and the thing itself was usually some third thing. I don't /think/ that the MP/RIAA has been masking Eminem as the Indigo Girls claiming to be Ani Difranco, but... I suppose I could be wrong.

  9. Rating System by SealBeater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quick question on the rating system. What's to stop the same people who are
    saturating KaZaa with false files to simply rate good files negatively? That
    way, they don't even have to flood the network, all they have to do is stomp on
    a file at a time and nobody is going to download it to see if it's good or not.
    Is the rating system simply going to make it easier for companies to steer
    people away from good files?

    SealBeater

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  10. Tiscali == Full of FTP Abusers by Frater+219 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Perhaps this will cut down on the number of port-21 scans I see from Tiscali. At present, they're one of the largest sources of scans for open anonymous FTP servers, right behind Wanadoo. The abusers are looking for FTP servers that allow both upload and download in the same directory. When they find them, they fill them up with warez, porn, and movies.

    Now, you may think, hey, free warez, porn, and movies ... but I'll bet you don't work for a site with a few hundred technically bright but security-dumb scientists. These folks like open FTP because it makes it easy to collaborate and share data, but they don't like having their disks fill up with blowjob MPEGs.

    So if Tiscali can get its warezers and pr0nsters running Kazaa and shoving spyware onto each other's systems all day, maybe they will go away and leave my users' port 21 alone.

  11. I'll be glad when kazaa dies.. by Suppafly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who has to do network support, nothing is worse than a computer which has had kazaa and the accompaning spyware installed. That new.net crap ruins the winsock stuff forcing a total reinstall, and those spyware proxys have people complaining about QoS when its the proxy which is providing the crappy service. I await the day we come to /. to bury kazaa, not to praise it.

  12. Interesting developments by Scarblac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are several interesting developments here. For one thing, Tiscali allies with Kazaa - a natural step for them, because after all, they want to sell bandwidth, and why would people need a lot of bandwidth, if there weren't any applications like Kazaa?

    Then in the second article, one of the things that's mentioned is that they partner with a music company for which Kazaa is actually the only way it distributes its music. This may be good for Kazaa's legal case, after all Napster seemed to lose mostly because they couldn't show that their networks were used legitimately at all.

    On the other hand, I wonder what the judge will think of the new feature against 'bogus music and video files', that are inserted by the record companies to make the network useless. Almost all of those files will make themselves look like songs that are actually illegal to trade, so making a feature to stop them, however useful and natural to make, could be seen as actively helping to download copyrighted stuff.

    But I can't really see them winning the case in the US anyway, after Napster.

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    1. Re:Interesting developments by jbolden · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then in the second article, one of the things that's mentioned is that they partner with a music company for which Kazaa is actually the only way it distributes its music. This may be good for Kazaa's legal case, after all Napster seemed to lose mostly because they couldn't show that their networks were used legitimately at all.

      The problem is there are much better ways to distribute legal stuff than Kazaa. A rootless peer to peer setup involves enormous networking overhead (over 1/2 the packets) that you wouldn't have with the standard download systems. I think almost all anonymous peer-to-peer file shares are going to face this problem; if what was being distributed was legal you wouldn't go to this much trouble.

      I think the best thing for Kazaa would be to get political stuff of an extremely non mainstream nature: everything from KKK literature to communist party literature to anarchist stuff to taliban philosophy to Turner diaries traffic to taiwanese indepence writings ... That way there is a good reason to be doing in anonymously and at the same time its highly protected. The downside is you might end up attracting enemies more powerful than the MPAA and RIAA.

  13. How odd that an ISP wants warez kiddies by vidnet · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Most ISPs seems to want to block or limit throughput for heavy traffic apps like this. What exactly is Tiscali trying to do?

    Are they trying to round up all the kiddies on their network, driving bandwidth costs down?

    1. Re:How odd that an ISP wants warez kiddies by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe Tiscali recognizes that if Kazaa has been downloaded 120 million times, there can't be that many Kazaa users that are full blown warez kiddies.

      Most of the people I know who p2p (I don't out of sheer laziness, but then again, I've stopped buying music due to the crappiness of product right now) were not bandwidth guzzling warez monkeys but just wanted a recording of a top 40 song that they could have taped off the radio twice an hour anyhow.

      So maybe Tiscali sees p2p as broadband's killer app, and has taken a more objective analysis of how their bandwidth will be affect by this partnership rather than just assuming that they'll only attract the types who throttle the pipe.

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  14. First impressions by EpsCylonB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they are promoting bands and videos on the search page but to play them you need to update your DRM software.

    seems to me that kazaa could be trying to set it's self up as a media delivery system when palladium and all the copyright protection is implemented.

  15. Re:I take it from the summary... by NineNine · · Score: 4, Informative

    No need to wait. The lite version has been out for quite some time... http://www.kazaalite.com

  16. Re:I take it from the summary... by ncc74656 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    FYI... if you use Ad-Aware to remove the spyware components of Kazaa, it kills the program.

    IIRC, Kazaa needs Cydoor to run. Fortunately, there's a dummy Cydoor DLL available. (Can't say that I've used Kazaa or Kazaa Lite in a while, though...I started running Shareaza recently, which is spyware-free, ad-free, and works with a true decentralized network.)

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  17. Don't use Kazaa, try Edonkey by Jacek+Poplawski · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think Kazaa will die like Napster or AudioGalaxy did. Don't use Kazaa. Please try edonkey2000 network. It's free, it's available not only for Windows, and you don't need to watch any commercials.

    official (closed source) client: edonkey2000
    free (GPL) client: mldonkey
    free, Windows-only client: emule
    ShareReactor community: ShareReactor
  18. Re:Piracy? by SirSlud · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > to some degree, you decrease the value of the song by listening to it, since the best time is the first time

    Many songs take _more_ than one listening in order for you to appreciate the value (in fact, most, unless you're really lacking in any appreciation for music.)

    What you're proposing is perposterous. By your logic, we should prevent friends from hearing the album we just bought because they should buy it themselves. Think about what you're saying. Do you really owe studios a buck when you watch a movie at a friends house? You've just decreased the value of the product! No .. because labels know that if your friend likes it, they'll buy it themselves.

    You sound like the reason you buy a CD is to listen to a song once. The poor pop music industry sure makes it feel that way, doesn't it? People forget that you buy albums because you want to hear the song many times. If you listen to something once, what you want is the radio to play it, or to go over to your friends house to hear it (uhoh, call the police!)

    You have to be kidding me that you really consider that when you go over to a friends house to check out a new album, you're decreasing the value of the product. I suppose that should be illegal too?

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