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Digitally Archiving Historical Sites?

Black_Macrame asks: "I have recently moved from 10 years of working with the net in various capacities (read all) to a slightly more analog field. I am now the curator of a Historical Site in Texas which is essentially, a relatively isolated, old (1875) family home. It once was a school, and is now currently a tax shelter for the family, and a fertile wildlife sanctuary. No-one has opened many of the drawers of the furniture here since they were last shut. There are letters of love, war, death, and all the usual human experiences, plus alot of antiques and many old books. It's a big historical database and I want to archive -everything- digitally: letters, furniture, books, 360 VRML of the rooms and even old 78 rpm records. Does anyone out there have any experience with similar projects? Any suggestions for tracking the antiques (books, furniture, knick-knacks) online? Suggestions for archiving the 78's? Anything in general?"

55 comments

  1. It's a good thing ... by Breakerofthings · · Score: 2, Funny

    that noone opened those drawers since they were last shut ...

    1. Re:It's a good thing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha, u teh funny!

    2. Re:It's a good thing ... by rbook · · Score: 1

      Isn't that always the case? ;-)

  2. I read about something like this for humans by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 1
    They froze the person in liquid nitrogen and then photographed him from the top. Then they shaved off a thin layer and photographed again. They continued until they worked their way down his body to the bottoms of his heels.

    This would be a great method because not only would you be guaranteed not to miss anything, but you'd all see all the old construction techniques inside the walls and stuff (and maybe find hidden treasure!).

    1. Re:I read about something like this for humans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is actually a really good idea.

    2. Re:I read about something like this for humans by bofkentucky · · Score: 1

      ADAM project, death row inmate was executed by leathal injection, then his corpse was frozen and sliced. It was a really cool educational CDROM from back in the day (93-95)

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  3. no way by tongue · · Score: 5, Funny

    No-one has opened many of the drawers of the furniture here since they were last shut

    no friggin way! really? nobody's opened them up since somebody shut it? go figure...

    1. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, dickhead. Fuck you. Leave the poor guy alone, he did nothing to you.

    2. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many, hell, I'll bet it was nearly all of them.

    3. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, dickhead. Fuck you. If you can't take the heat for a truly stupid statement then don't submit questions to "Ask Slashdot".

    4. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yours is the type of comment that makes me want to track down the author and beat the living crap out of him.

      Please stop being an arsehole, and have some respect for other people.

    5. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, dickhead. Fuck off and die. Your opinion is irrelevant.

    6. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think so, dumb shit.

    7. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You give me any more disrepect and I'll pop you like a frog, motherfingers!

    8. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, that was a great scene in "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou" wasn't it. So like you'll be John Goodman and I'll be the frog?

      Oh, by the way, Fuck You.

    9. Re:no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, dickhead. It's slashdot. Nobody here is cabable of even sighting a relevant opinion, much less forming one.

  4. obvious troll by tps12 · · Score: 1

    There was no such thing as a web site in 1875.

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    1. Re:obvious troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up.

    2. Re:obvious troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you have proof of a web site in 1875, I suggest YOU shut up.

  5. Don't forget the other senses... by zulux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My childhood home was about to be bulldozed, and I realised that I never "could go home again."

    In adition to video - I made an effory to preserve sound and smell and texture:

    I videotaped the inside of the house, I left the microphone on as I opened closet and doors.

    I also saved a bit of the oak flooring that gave a peculular smell and well as a bit of dirt from the back yard - to me, they bring back vivid memories of childhood*

    I saved a few well-used door handels - they have a friendly touch.

    Those sqeeks and groans and smells are firmly planted in my memory, and I'll be glad to hear them again when I'm feeling nostalgic ten years from now.

    The whole package fits into a shoe box - I felt a little weird documenting my old home, as I'm not normally a meterialist person. I'm glad I did.

    * there is a throry that because the smell organs are so close to the center of the brain, that smells are uniquely capable of triggering memories.

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  6. Initial confusion... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first thought was wget -r

  7. heh by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 0, Redundant

    No-one has opened many of the drawers of the furniture here since they were last shut.

    I haven't read such a funny line since the last time I read a law as funny!

    1. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave the guy alone, you cunt. You know exactly what he meant.

      You wankshaft turd-burglars are really starting to annoy me with your pedantic slurs!

    2. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on Black_Macrame, you wrote a stupid statement and now you're going to get the heat for it. Grow up and take it like an 1875 Texas man would.

    3. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not Black_Macrame. I am, however, a very angry man, and you people are angering me further with every comment I read.

      Watch what you say, nerd, or I'll punch your glasses off.

    4. Re:heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yes, I can see you're not Black_Macrame now. You must be Anonymous Coward. Now there's a name that strikes fear in my heart.

      Oh, by the way, I don't wear glasses - but just for you, I'll get some.

  8. Proprietary formats by PD · · Score: 1

    Don't use them. Enough said about that topic.

  9. caught with your drawers down? by StuffYourReligion · · Score: 0, Redundant

    No-one has opened many of the drawers of the furniture here since they were last shut

    Fascinating! Except for the ones I left open, no one has opened the drawers of my furniture since they were last shut, either. Does that make my home a historical site?

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    I have no special gift, I am only passionately curious. --Albert Einstein
    1. Re:caught with your drawers down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oi, what is it with you pedantic motherfuckers here? Half the posts so far are people taking the piss out the guy for a simple error in explaining himself. You know exactly what he meant, so don't be such an arsehole.

      It's no wonder geeks like you lot tend to get picked on at school. Irritating, pedantic, humourless bastards.

    2. Re:caught with your drawers down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, now, Black_Macrame, you made a stupid statement that is really funny. You're just going to have to "take it like a man".

    3. Re:caught with your drawers down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't push it, dude. I'm sure you know all about "taking it like a man", you homosexualised mangina-molesting cum bucket.

    4. Re:caught with your drawers down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right about that, Black_Macrame. I'll take you like a priest takes an altar boy. Any time. Any place.

  10. Great Project and some advice by sien · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The project sounds interesting. I'd email the big museums around the world to see what they have to say on the issue.

    I have had some experience with people scanning in 3D objects. It's really fiddly and error prone but no impossible. The hardware all sucks but it's usable. Trackers all drift and behave according to their own rules. Smaller objects ( i.e. 20cm cubed or less ) can be more easily scanned with 3D scanners, but these are hideously expensive. You might want to contract out a company for the smaller stuff, you can find them easily enough with Google.

    For the room and building scans DONT use VRML. Get an someone who can handle a 3D CAD package to build the thing with textures from photographs. Quicktime VR is neat, but not enough probably.

    If there is a University nearby check if they have courses for people doing architecture and 3D graphics. If they do you could give some students some very valuable experience and get cheaper labour for yourself.

  11. Tough task by smoondog · · Score: 2

    No-one has opened many of the drawers of the furniture here since they were last shut .... It's a big historical database and I want to archive -everything- digitally: letters, furniture, books, 360 VRML of the rooms and even old 78 rpm records.

    Wow, that is a difficult problem. I'm not sure you are going to be able to properly archive the documents in those drawers. As for the 78's, that's easy!

    -Sean

  12. Xerox by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Xerox it all first(documents at least) and make 2 copies of each. Put one somewhere safe, put the originals somewhere else, and then work from the xerox copies. That way you dont have to worry about damaging the originals, and if the place burns down, you have copies offsite.

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  13. Talk to an archeologist. by Samrobb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You can probably adapt some of the methodologies and techniques they use to help you map out the location of items, make note about condition, etc. In particular, you may be able to find software specifically geared towards mapping out a dig.

    You may even be able to set things up with a local university and get a couple of cultural anthropology students to give you a hand with the initial work in exchange for credit.

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  14. archiving the homestead by digitalmuse · · Score: 4, Informative

    Having just finished moving my parents out of the house they have lived in for 20+ years (how many people do that anymore, last I heard, the average american family relocates every 2-3 years...) I spent a fair amount of time documenting the house itself, it's contents and it's history. The homestead (as I like to refer to it...) was built in the early 1800's by the same person who built the structure which is now the town's Historical Society property. This allowed us to cross-reference the floor-plans and construction styles between our house which had undergone many renovations over the years, and a house that had been left more-or-less intact.
    I also went through the house and took pictures of each room including each of the walls, and any other unique structures (ie: the beehive oven in the basement, the hand-carved mouldings in the parlor, the original fan-light over the front door, etc...) or additions (the safe we hid in a wall durring reconstruction of two rooms). These pictures were all taken with a consumer-grade digital camera (Canon A20) so I do not have high hopes for them insofar as reconstructing QTVR or anything like that. However I think that combined with the detailed floor-plans, I have more than enough information to build a rough 3D model at some point in the future if I ever decide to embark on that little adventure.
    We have archived all this information with the local historical society for public use (minus any private details... such as the safe) and I guess our involvement in the house is at an end. But I like to think that if my children ever want to know what the house I grew up in looked like, I can give them a good idea of what it was, and what made it so unique.
    As far as the methodology for storing any information you collect in the process of documenting the household you are responsible for, please try and keep to open formats, and if possible, only touch the originals once. If you are willing to put the time and effort into archiving all the paperwork yourself, I would have to suggest investing in (or building yourself) a basic copy-stand. Such a rig will allow you to capture images (digital or film, tho' I would suggest digital, simply based on the per-image cost of handling film development) with a minimum of external variables, which may be increasingly important if you are working with color subjects.
    I would also suggest that you be prepared to spend a fair ammount of time creating a multi-layer catalog for all the information you produce. Once you have removed the subjects from the physical realm and transfered them to digital representations, you lose the physical orientation and placement that helps keep them referenced to each other. Each item should be given a unique ID and a full record made of where it was originally located, what it was bundled with, any clues or physical cues that lead you to assume it's age, origin, provenance, etc... If you wish to make this information 'useful' to the next person who wishes to search through it, you must provide as much information as possible.
    I would suggest getting in touch with your local historical society, or even looking farther afield to a profesional archivist for suggestions or assistance in planing the process before anything is disturbed.
    As always, keep multiple backups in separate locations and be prepared to learn more than you ever thought you could ever find out about the people who's lives passed through those doors.
    Best of luck to you, and don't forget to use acid-free paper (and CD's...)

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    1. Re:archiving the homestead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      • Best of luck to you, and don't forget to use acid-free paper (and CD's...)
      That's a really good point. CD-R's only have a life of approx ten years. Pressed CDs are more like a hundred. It would be a real shame to lose everything in a relatively short space of time after so carefully archiving it.

      I would suggest storing backups in many locations and frequently (say once a year) making copies onto new media in the case the old ones degrading to the point of unreadability.
  15. Re:Or Canon or Sharp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeh, he does. You got a fucking problem with that, mate?

  16. Re:Or Canon or Sharp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Xerox is a generic term, like Kleenex or Coke. It's too late to change that now.

  17. Re:Or Canon or Sharp by signal+ll · · Score: 1

    Calm down and take an aspirin.

  18. Re:Or Canon or Sharp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you tell me to calm down. Fuck you! I am calm!

    Fucking aspirins.

  19. Contractors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a really big project, it's probably best for you do get people in to help you. You could try students, as someone mentioned earlier, but if they mess up then that ain't good. Contractors who specialise in this sort of thing are probably the best choice.

    Shop around and pick the ones that you think you'll have the best working relationship with.

  20. No-one's opened my drawers, either... by MightyTribble · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ...since they were last shut.
    Wanna come around and do a VRML and archive of my bedroom? ;-)

  21. Re:Or Canon or Sharp by signal+ll · · Score: 1

    Sorry, mayby you'd rather just have a klenex.

  22. Re:Or Canon or Sharp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tylenol, or A.S.A, or motrin?

  23. Oregon Historical Society by m_chan · · Score: 2

    An article in the Oregonian (Portland newspaper) recently went into some detail about the Oregon Historical Society and their intentions to digitize their entire physical collection. You may wish to contact them directly to learn of their techniques, successes and failures.

  24. Usenet? by pbrammer · · Score: 1

    Would you get more of a productive response posting these questions on Usenet? In the spirit of "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters," I don't think this applies. Does it? Write a database for your records. I mean, what are you really looking for from this group of people?

    Phil

  25. Go to "The Experts" by Raiford · · Score: 2
    My suggestion is to contact someone at The Smithsonian. You might be surprised that someone there might be more than willing to offer suggestions and perhaps even some help. These people are academics and researcher and just love to talk about their work.

    It sounds like you have a great project ahead of you in a very nice setting. Enjoy it !

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  26. virtual heritage by Vito · · Score: 2

    Try a Google search for virtual heritage. This is the term commonly used for digitally preserving historical sites, usually in some sort of interactive or 3D form.

    The Virtual Heritage Network was founded through some of the work done at and people of VSMM98 and VSMM99, at the latter of which I presented my paper on Unrealty, which used the Unreal engine for business visualization. This is relevant, because from the Florida Everglades to ancient Japanese temples, the Unreal engine continues to find applications like these, through inventive and forward-looking historians and researchers wanting the best combination of visually enticing and widely accessible heritage presentations.

  27. Inexpensive 3d scanners? by Monkelectric · · Score: 2
    At my last place of employment we had a very expensive 3d scanner(100K) ... and man are they cool!! this is probably out of the question for your foundation ... so my question is:

    Can anyone recomend an affordable 3d scanner and software ?

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  28. historical by corian · · Score: 0, Troll

    Do you mean historical or historic?

    dictionary.com:
    Usage Note: Historic and historical have different usages, though their senses overlap. Historic refers to what is important in history: the historic first voyage to the moon. It is also used of what is famous or interesting because of its association with persons or events in history: a historic house. Historical refers to whatever existed in the past, whether regarded as important or not: a minor historical character. Historical also refers to anything concerned with history or the study of the past: a historical novel; historical discoveries

  29. Colorado Digitization Project by dpbsmith · · Score: 2

    You may wish to visit the
    Colorado Digitization Project's web site, and contact the people involved.

    The web site have a wealth of information and links to resources; documents with guidelines for "best practices" and the like.

    A few months ago I had a question on open-reel magnetic tape preservation and I contacted some of the people involved, and, like most library folk, they answer their phones and emails, they know a lot, and are very helpful.