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Mouse Gestures Gain Followers

StefMeister writes "According to this article at ZDNet, the use of the mouse using 'mouse gestures' (as introduced in Opera) is gaining a lot of followers. Personally, I almost solely use the keyboard as input device, but it might be interesting for others. Although changing the way people are accustomed to working is always tricky." I certainly enjoy gestures in Mozilla, thanks to OptiMoz.

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  1. And with my track ball? by mesocyclone · · Score: 5, Funny

    So how is this going to work with my track ball?

    Mice are for people with more than 10 cm^2 of desk space :-)

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    1. Re:And with my track ball? by Ducky · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, I could comfortably use gestures with an IBM Thinkpad's pencil eraser nub for a pointing device. Well, "comfortably" might be too positive a word... perhaps "without the desire to go gouge my eyes out," was was the case when trying to play quake with the infernal thing.

      -Ducky

    2. Re:And with my track ball? by zulux · · Score: 5, Funny

      gestures with an IBM Thinkpad's pencil eraser nub

      My girfried has benifited from all the training I've gotten with my Thinkpad.

      Thanks IBM!

      (Now if only I could get her to use the Thrustmaster correctly...)

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    3. Re:And with my track ball? by crapulent · · Score: 5, Funny

      My girfried has benifited from all the training I've gotten with my Thinkpad

      Now if only IBM had given it a more creative name...like Compact Laptop Interface Tool.

    4. Re:And with my track ball? by zulux · · Score: 5, Funny
      IBM is also famous for their "Mouse Ball" feild note:

      here

      ..a sample of the note:
      Mouse balls are not usually static sensitive, however, excessive handling can result in sudden discharge. Upon completion of ball replacement, the mouse may be used immediately.

      It is recommended that each servicer have a pair of balls for maintaining optimum customer satisfaction,and that any customer missing his balls should suspect local personnel of removing these necessary functional items.

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  2. Mouse gestures were not "introduced in opera" by sys$manager · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have used a CAD/CAM package called Applicon Bravo (now owned by unilogic) for many years that used mouse and tablet gestures since it ran on a VAX 11/780, through newer VAX and now PC systems. It uses the middle mouse button to indicate that you are "gesturing" and you can make multi-level menu selections with gestures.

    1. Re:Mouse gestures were not "introduced in opera" by silvaran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Computers were introduced to me when I was 6 years old, by my father. Consequently, he didn't invent them, but he did introduce them. Similarly, Opera brought their web browser to the masses, and mouse gestures along with it. Just like Microsoft introduced GUI to the masses, they didn't invent it, and weren't the primary people to actually "introduce" it first. Opera is the first application I've ever used that supported gestures, and I would imagine many people are in the same situation.

    2. Re:Mouse gestures were not "introduced in opera" by Ooblek · · Score: 4, Funny
      I first used them in Black & White. Does that count?

      I mean, there has to be a population of people that were introduced to using gestures by trying to get their animals to stop eating their own shit, throw fireballs at enemies, and make rain clouds appear.

      So does this mean that I can make a gesture and all my coding work will be complete? Damn, that would be nice.

    3. Re:Mouse gestures were not "introduced in opera" by littleRedFriend · · Score: 5, Informative

      FROM THE ARTICLE:

      "Indeed, mouse gestures have been incorporated
      into some advanced 3D CAD (computer-aided design)
      programs, but they are now being extended to ordinary
      computer tasks."


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  3. Check out the radial context thingie from optimoz by egghat · · Score: 5, Informative

    God, how I love this.

    Much better than gestures, at least for me as a trackball user.

    Optimoz PieMenues.

    But your mileage may vary.

    Bye egghat.

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  4. Mouse gestures for other window apps by shakey_deal · · Score: 5, Informative

    For mouse gestures in all your favorite window programs try 'stroke it' (heh, nice name). Link included... http://www.tcbnetworks.com/strokeit/forum/

  5. Mostly good. by Raskolnk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought this sounded like some nifty gee-whiz crappy feature when I first heard about it, but after trying it in Opera I was quite impressed. It quickly became a normal browsing habit.

    The only problem was that on occasion I would accidently make the gesture for "close window" and my pages would magically disappear.

    It'd be ultra-nifty if there was a mouse gesture training app, so I could map commands to custom gestures. Then I could bind the movement made when I throw my mouse at my monitor to Ctrl-Alt-Del.

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  6. New Gesture Ideas by SmlFreshwaterBuffalo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think they should implement gestures similar to those in Black & White.

    Drawing out something resembling an ancient religious symbol to go back a page would be interesting. I've been looking for a way to push my carpal-tunnel to its limits.

  7. gestures in XP by cybermace5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't think my computer wants to know what gestures I make at it when Windows XP curls up and dies. The good thing is that it reboots into Linux by default, so....

    Combine this with one of those infrared finger mice, and you can feel like a Jedi: "This isn't the page you're looking for, go back." *waves hand to the left*

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  8. Explorer Supprts Gestures! by zulux · · Score: 4, Funny



    I give it gesture every day...

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  9. Reasonable use of gestures by AlecC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I use Opera gestures - and love them. But they don't make sense for all applications. The problem is a dsicontinuity when you switch between keyboard and mouse - either way. Editing, and most programming operations, is fundamentally a keyboard based operation, and hot keys are far more sensible than mouse gestures for this. But for me, browsing the web is a mouse-based operation. I have to point to links to follow them, so my hand is on the mouse. I have a wheelmouse, so scrolling is also under my fingers. The only gestures I use regularly are back and forward, and they have become so automatic I use them (uselessly0 wherever the model applies - i.e. in all "browser" type applications, such as Konqueror or Windows Explorer.

    One thing we want to do is to try and get people to standardise. It will be a *real* pain if one piece of software used a gesture for minimise and another for quit.

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    1. Re:Reasonable use of gestures by wbattestilli · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with this and would like to make a second point.

      I work for Alias|Wavefront. We make Maya. It has a fantastically efficient and powerful UI that is based around gestures. To see people working with Maya, who use it professionally, is quite amazing. I also have to say that it has a very steep learning curve and is way beyond what you can expect from Joe User.

      For gestures to work efficiently, there can be no visual feedback while executing the command. If there is visible feedback, your interface is basically reduced to multidirectional menues. Maya can be used this way but it is no better than using the standard pulldown menues.

      I love gestures in Galeon/Opera/Mozilla, but I think that they should be left to the power user and that they should be used sparingly in applications.

  10. The mouse-wheel by garoush · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After the buttons on a mouse, I find the mouse-wheel to be the most attractive and useful feature. Just think how much you save yourself by using the wheel to scroll up/down in your application and keep the arrow focused on the screen not to mention, using one finger.

    You can take away all mouse-gestures and I won't complain, but I will get mad as hell if you give me a mouse without a wheel.

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  11. Pray tell by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Which web browser had gestures before Opera?

    "Introduce" != "Invent." Sure, lots of CAD/CAM/CAE tools had gestures forever ago, but how many regular users run those programs daily?

    Opera "introduced gestures" to the web browsing world.

  12. Re:Check out the radial context thingie from optim by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Informative
    Not at all, that's what I thought until I realised I wasn't using them properly. A quick guide to the Mozilla pie menus:

    1) Hold down the right mouse button. I can't stress this enough. Don't click once, then move the mouse, then click again.

    2) Use the tooltips.

    3) Don't feel you need to use the pie menu for everything, just a few things like switching tabs, refreshing a page etc is good. Keep doing it, and after a few times you'll find it comes naturally.

    4) Throw the mouse around. If you're wondering why the pie menus follow you around, it's so you can be very vicious with them. Hold down right, throw the mouse to the top left, the throw it to the right and let go. You can do this very quickly, because you don't have to aim, and the movements can be very vague indeed. Then let go.

    5) Don't think about it. If you constantly look at the menu while using it, you lose the speed advantage. If anything, just defocus for a moment while you start, that way you remember the motion rather than what's on the screen.

    To be honest after getting used to them, I love them. I wish GTK/Qt had an option to do this. It's one of those cool hacks you want to do but never have time for....