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Protecting Your DRM Rights

A reader wrote to say:"There's an article on SiliconValley.com that talks about a new bill in Congress that will, if passed, mean that consumers can copy CDs, DVDs and other digital works for personal use, just as they now do with TV shows and audio tapes."

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  1. Re:Finally by galaxy300 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Too bad the law won't pass until Congress is in session again next year. Let's just hope that the Democrats win a majority again this year -- they've been much more sensitive to technology issues than the Republicans.

  2. Why does this "right" need to be enumerated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think there's some danger here in enumerating the right to copy CD's, etc. It's the same issue that John Adams had with the Bill of Rights. If you enumerate some rights, it implies that other rights don't exist until they're enumerated. Take for example the right to privacy. The Bill of Rights doesn't list it, and therefor much debate ensues about whether or not such a right exists.

    While having a law explicitly naming the right to copy CD's is seductive, we risk having to always enumerate new rights in the future. Instead, I'd prefer to have the default be "of course we have this right, because it's not explicitly listed as a right that's not allowed".

    I realize I'm dreaming here. Given where we are as a society, I'd be willing to see this bill passed. But a guy can dream.

    1. Re:Why does this "right" need to be enumerated? by Shuh · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I think there's some danger here in enumerating the right to copy CD's, etc. It's the same issue that John Adams had with the Bill of Rights. If you enumerate some rights, it implies that other rights don't exist until they're enumerated. Take for example the right to privacy. The Bill of Rights doesn't list it, and therefor much debate ensues about whether or not such a right exists.
      Unfortunately this is a common misconception in America: We think the Bill of Rights enumerates our Rights. In reality, it actually puts restrictions on what the Government(tm) can do to our rights... which according to The Declaration of Independence were granted to us by a higher power, the "Creator."
  3. Wrong solution by back_pages · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The problem here is that the DMCA violates the fair use clause of the existing copyright laws. The solution is NOT a law that defeats a portion of the DMCA. The solution IS to repeal the DMCA and replace it with a non-fascist alternative.

    It is our duty as citizens to disobey unjust laws and to push them through the judicial system to the Supreme Court. It is counterproductive to that duty to prop up the unjust laws with exceptions and clarifications. Further, between the DMCA and the proposed DFCA, all that has been accomplished is a wordy reiteration of the existing copyright laws. I'm no legal eagle, but I firmly believe in having a few concise and necessary laws rather than redundant spaghetti legal code.

    1. Re:Wrong solution by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem here is that the DMCA violates the fair use clause of the existing copyright laws.

      That's funny, since I thought the DMCA said that "Nothing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use, under this title."

  4. Jack Valenti's Cable Modem by imadork · · Score: 5, Funny
    ``If this bill were to pass, it would render ineffective, worthless and useless any protection measure we would have in place to protect a $100 million movie,'' Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America, said of the Lofgren bill. ``You could download a million movies a day, and no penalty for it.''

    Hmmm, (1 million * 4.7GB) / (24 hrs * 60 mins * 60 secs) = 54GB/sec bandwidth! Jack's cable modem must not have the download caps in place...

  5. Re:Nice, but.... by LMCBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First of all, this bill is not an attempt to make so-called mp3 "sharing" legal. It merely seeks to ensure that the fair use rights consumers had for analog formats are held up for digital formats as well. i.e., it is perfectly legal for me to buy your CD, then burn a backup copy, burn another copy for my car, rip it to my hard drive, etc. However, if the DMCA or CBDTPA makes these activities impossible, then I effectively don't have those fair-use rights.

    Anyway, the line we always hear is that artists don't make a significant amount of money from CD sales anyway, compared to income from live shows. Is that not the case for you?

    Maybe you could strive to sell CDs directly at your shows, instead of making pennies per disc through your label.

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  6. Jack Valenti is a troll by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Jack Valeti said...
    "If this bill were to pass, it would render ineffective, worthless and useless any protection measure we would have in place to protect a $100 million movie,'' Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America, said of the Lofgren bill. ``You could download a million movies a day, and no penalty for it."
    The law says...
    "This would not authorize someone taking their digital content and sharing it with a million of their best friends," Lofgren said in an interview Tuesday."

    All you trolls on slashdot should pay attention and learn from Jack Valenti. He dishes out FUD with statements that are unsupported and wildly speculative (and in this case a complete lie).

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  7. Re:Finally by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The poster is correct, there has been some confusion among Democrats as to what they were really doing. From the article:

    "``Lofgren's bill aims to restore what Congress thought it was doing -- preserving fair use for people who have lawful rights to use stuff,'' "

    Senators are some of the slowest people on the planet to "get" technology. It's my opinion that Democrats who've supported the DMCA in the past have been largely misinformed by the likes of the RIAA and MPAA.

    Oh, and to the original poster:
    Is it OK if I hope Democrats don't win a majority this year?

    Sure, it's ok if your trust-fund is still going strong. But for the rest of us who actually need our jobs, maybe you'll reconsider?

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  8. Unbelivable!!! by Lissst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jack Valenti, president of the Motion Picture Association of America, said of the Lofgren bill. "You could download a million movies a day, and no penalty for it."

    I can't believe that these people actually think like this. The legislation doesn't say anything about giving the user the right to share and steal the music without punishment. There will still be punishment for stealing a movie or music (if caught). It's unbelievable how these people think that just by having the right to have "Fair Use" of a product for personal reasons equates to mass piracy being legal.

  9. Rights and Responsibilities by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've said it before, but it bears repeating.

    The issue to me is that they (being the movie and record companies) want to have it both ways. They want to sell me a package that includes a piece of physical media (which I own) and a license to view/listen to what is recorded on that media.

    I don't have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is the fact that 1. I legally can't back that medium up and 2. if that medium becomes damaged my license to view/listen seems to evaporate.

    Case in point. I irreparably scratched a DVD from Fox (The Phantom Menace). My only recourse is to buy replacement media and a second license to view the movie. Clearly that license is the expensive part. I don't see how this is "fair."

    Bottom line is that IMO when we lost the right to make copies for backup the copyright holders took on the responsibility to do at-cost media replacement, but they aren't living up to that responsibility.

    Of course the bills mentioned in the article would turn the tide back, but neither seem to have any real chance of even coming to a vote.

    -Peter

  10. Re:Nice, but.... by rgmoore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What right to make a living off your work? There never has been such a thing, and there shouldn't be. There are rights that are helpful in making a living (like copyright) but they don't give you a right to make a living. Nobody should make a law to preserve an old way of doing things just because some people might be hurt by the world changing. If you can't make money selling your CDs, you'll just have to get another job.

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  11. Re:Nice, but.... by N3WBI3 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I am sorry but when it comes to my fair-use rights of media I pay for vs Your ability to survive as an artist, Its not even a contest.

    When you say that because of some people who bootleg we should all have our rights stripped away (and that is what your saying) I dismiss any problems you might have because if you dont give a damn about my rights why should I give a damn about you career?

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  12. Re:Nice, but.... by RatBastard · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I understand the *concept* of fair use

    No, you don't. "Fair Use" allows me to copy my CD into MP3s and store them on mu computer so I can listen to them at my desk without toting my CD collection all over the house. It also allows me to put a copy in my portable MP3 player and listen to it while at the gym or on the bus.

    It does not allow me to make copies and give them away.

    The money from my purchase of your CD is still in your pocket. I'm not going to buy multiple copies of your CD just so I can listen to it at my desk, or at the gym or in my living room.

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  13. Re:Nice, but.... by docwhat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    True; but if someone buys a cd, hands some MP3s to some friends and they like your CD, then go and buy it, then you'd have multiple sales where with "sooper-dooper DRM" you'd probably only have the initial one.

    Remember to look at all the costs and benefits. You don't have radio (most likely, since you said you didn't have a lable) to promote you. No MTV either. So word of mouth is it.

    I would suggest that you try the following:
    * Make your CDs a have very high quality "value added" cd booklets and such. You know, like vinyl records used to do. I find music much more enjoyable when you know the why and wherefores.
    * Put up crappy (but reasonable) 64k mp3/oggs on your web site, or on a data track on your CD. Say it's free for sharing. Make sure the ID3 info is correct and have a URL for buying the CD. Include descriptions and photos of the CD (all those extras, you know).

    You watch, you'll get people who:
    * Like one song, they keep the crappy mp3 and are happy. Maybe someone else will hear it and be interested. These correspond to radio listeners and radio recorder people.
    * Like a lot, and buy the CD
    * Wanna have the CD, 'cause it's cool.

    Remember, you aren't selling CDs, your selling *yourself*.

    I realize, of course, that you may live off of this money, but I **really** want to see what happens when you try the above.

    BTW: You forgot a link to where we could hear some of your music and learn more about you.

    Ciao!

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    The Doctor What (KF6VNC)
  14. Will programmers still be thrown in jail? by HillClimber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Supposedly consumers will be allowed to circumvent copy protection for fair use. Great! But what about the programmers? Does each consumer have to write their own software cracker? Will creating a decoder or unlocker designed for fair use still get you thrown in jail?

  15. Fair Use Ammo... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think Hollywood has the idea that if one can copy a DVD, they're just going to give it away bla blah blah. I don't think they've considered that their own talent pool makes good use of copying technology i.e. ripping.

    I'll give you an example: I know some peeps who are learning to do 3D rendering and animation. One test of their skills is to see how convincing they can recreate a scene from a movie. For example: Star Trek First Contact. That movie had some scenes shot using studio models of the Enterprise and other ships. One of these guys had a nice mesh of the Enterprise, then he wanted to perfectly recreate the lighting used on the studio model in the movie.

    What he did was he bought a copy of the First Contact DVD, then he did a few screen-grabs on his PC. He had very clean pictures to use as reference. Using these images, he started figuring out where the studio lights were placed, and what effects he needed to achieve to minimize the differences. He gained some serious experience in learning how to realistically light a CG model to imitate a 3D model.

    Is this an important skill in Hollywood? Oh most definitely! It is a frequent thing to cut from motion control model rigs to CG models. The better the lighting on the mesh, the less startling it is to go from model to CG. (Lost in Space comes to mind...)

    This guy was legitimately copying from DVD to improve his talent, and Hollywood may one day hire him for it. However, if Hollywood had their way, he'd have no way to take screen grabs or download the video to his computer for further study. I don't think they have any idea how much damage they may end up doing to the next generation of their talent pool.

  16. Zoe's summary of her bill by geekotourist · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here is the summary done by Zoe and staff. Late last month I heard a summary of this bill from a fair use expert. I don't have my notes with me. The big takeaway I got was that Zoe's bill *does* focus on consumer rights as "including, but not limited to, the ones listed in her bill" (my paraphrase). In other words, Zoe 'gets it' with respect to protecting consumers and Silicon Valley from the buggy-whip manufacturers down south.

    From the press release summary:(I've added the bold...)

    SECTION BY SECTION ANALYSIS OF "THE DIGITAL CHOICE AND FREEDOM ACT OF 2002"

    SECTION 1: Designates the title as "The Digital Choice and Freedom Act of 2002."

    SECTION 2: Lists factual findings.

    SECTION 3: (a) Section (a) clarifies that America's historic principles of fair use - codified in section 107 of Title 17 - apply to analog and digital transmissions...

    ...Section (b) seeks to restore the balance by adding section 123 to Title 17. Section 123 allows lawful consumers to make backup copies of digital works, and to use digital works on preferred digital media devices. It further protects consumers by prohibiting non-negotiable "click-wrap" licenses that limit their rights and expectations...

    SECTION 4: Today, when a consumer purchases a book, they are free to lend their copy to a friend or family member, or to sell their copy to a used books store. Section 4 allows consumers to do the same thing with digital content by extending the first sale doctrine...

    SECTION 5: ..."As the House Judiciary Report accompanying the DMCA stated: "[A]n individual [should] not be able to circumvent in order to gain unauthorized access to a work, but should be able to do so in order to make fair use of a work which he or she has acquired lawfully."

    Section 5 reaffirms this intent, while also providing needed flexibility for the copyright owner. Under section 5, a copyright owner is free to employ technical measures to protect his or her work. However, the copyright owner must ensure that those measures allow lawful consumers to make non-infringing uses of the work... Since most consumers do not have the expertise needed to circumvent such protections, Section 5 permits tools if they are designed, produced and marketed to help consumers make non-infringing uses. Again, these tools are only permissible if the copyright owner fails to give consumers a choice by restricting legitimate uses without providing any solution for the legitimate user.

  17. Perfect digital copies, NOT! by seaan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here is an excerpt of my letter of support sent to my congressman:

    I have one little quibble with the bill as it stands. In section 2. FINDINGS, paragraph (2), it states "Perfect digital copies of songs and movies...". This is an exaggeration that has been used by both the RIAA and MPAA to justify draconian copyright protection measures. They purposely confuse two different concepts: "digital copies" and "digital distribution". The reality is:

    (1) Digital copies are far from perfect
    (2) The quality of a copy has little impact upon non-commercial copyright infringers

    Take an example from ten years ago, the mandating of copy-protection on Digital-Audio-Tape recorders. The only people who cared about quality enough to be effected by the copy-protection measures were audiophiles (who, by the, way effectively killed the format because of the restrictions imposed by congress). The irony is that audiophiles were also the least likely people to make illegal copies; on the contrary, many purchase multiple versions of a single recording. The more typical non-commercial copyright infringement was young teenagers buying $50 boom-boxes with abysmal sounding cassette duplication. The quality of the duplication was of minimal importance (you can't hear the poor quality on a $50 boom-box), as it had minimal impact on their decision to make illegal copies vs. buying legal copies.

    I'd recommend striking the word "perfect", and putting to rest the urban legend that digital copies are somehow different from other method of copying. This is not meant to diminish the importance of digital distribution, which obliviously has had an impact on non-commercial copyright infringement. Confusing "digital copies" with "digital distribution" is how we got lousy laws like the DMCA in the first place.