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News.com Links to DeCSS Program

zorglubxx writes "In less than a week News.com has published 2 articles ([Oct 3] and [Oct 7]) talking about copyright law and the DMCA where they LINK to DeCSS. Not source but compiled Windows version called DeCSS.exe. News.com know that 2600 lost their fight for linking to DeCSS so I wonder why they are doing this. Trying to make a point? Civil disobedience? An honest mistake?" Update: 10/08 02:51 GMT by T : An anonymous reader writes "In the time between when I read the first and second referenced articles, the links were updated to point the DeCSS gallery rather than DeCSS.exe"

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  1. Hmm by LPetrazickis · · Score: 5, Funny

    MPAA is probably tired of suing people by now.

    I wish.:(

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  2. In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot links to News.com article that links to DeCSS.

    1. Re:In related news... by freuddot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot also links to the DeCSS executable DeCSS.exe

    2. Re:In related news... by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Funny

      Congratulations Freuddot! You have been selected to come to SUNNY USA (USA #1! USA #1!) to begin your new career as a "security consultant". The FBI will be waiting at the airport to escort you to the interview.

      I promise! ;)

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  3. Exploiting Different Standards? by RailGunner · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Could it be that news.com is simply pointing out the obvious double standard given to "hacker" sites like 2600.com and "reputable news sites" like news.com?

    Seriously, if CNN.com would have originally linked to DeCSS do you think it would have gotten sued? (I know, pretend for a moment that it wasn't part of the AOLTimeWarner conglomerate though, and you'll get my point.)

    Hopefully, a court case WILL come of this, and maybe we'll get a Judge with a clue that realizes the DMCA restricts your First Amendment rights.

    1. Re:Exploiting Different Standards? by neuroticia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More likely News.com will be notified that they are in violation of the DMCA, and asked to cease and desist. Upon recieving notification, the author of the article that linked to DeCSS will be fired and blacklisted. (Or whoever created the link. The author might have nothing to do with it being a link.)

      I really believe that if the Most Important Person in the World(tm) himself, ie: the head of the RIAA, were to post a link to DeCSS, the rest of the RIAA would go after him like a herd of rabid bunnies on crack.

      That said... Yes. News.com is a more 'valid' publication in the eyes of many than 2600 ever will be, and thus harder to go after for posting legitimate news... But "harder" doesn't mean "impossible". Remember, the RIAA is well-funded by all the CDs they overprice, and all the artists they rip off.

      -Sara

    2. Re:Exploiting Different Standards? by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 5, Funny

      yes but news.com.com.com is well-funded by all the extra .com's! I think it's an even fight.

    3. Re:Exploiting Different Standards? by ravi_n · · Score: 5, Informative

      cnn.com did link to DeCSS at one point. When people noticed, and pointed out how hypocritical this was the link was taken down, of course.

    4. Re:Exploiting Different Standards? by blakestah · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Could it be that news.com is simply pointing out the obvious double standard given to "hacker" sites like 2600.com and "reputable news sites" like news.com?

      Absolutely. The judge in the 2600 case said as much. 2600.com was not viewed as disseminating free press, or providing a link point for people interested in fair use, or providing a service for linux people who wanted to view DVDs on their computers.

      Instead, the judge saw them as anarchists who thought movies should not be protectable simply because someone somewhere cracked the crypto. He then ruled accordingly.

      Defendants, on the other hand, are adherents of a movement that believes that information should be available without charge to anyone clever enough to break into the computer systems or data storage media in which it is located. Less radically, they have raised a legitimate concern about the possible impact on traditional fair use of access control measures in the digital era.
      Lewis A. Kaplan
      United States District Judge

    5. Re:Exploiting Different Standards? by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The DMCA is a bad law, and as citizens of this country we can choose to disobey bad laws.

      That's really the definition of "Civil Disobedience".

      I choose not to obey the DMCA every time I watch a DVD on my Linux machine at home. It takes a pretty shitty law to make watching a movie that I bought on my computer a crime. Its also a really pathetic act of civil disobedience, I mean come on I'm just watching a movie. Arresting people for doing this would be absolutely ridiculous.

      These corporations that are pushing this crap better start watching themselves. In the war against the consumer the consumer is just beginning to understand how much control over what they buy that they are losing. If the restrictions being talked about for HDTV (copy bits and all that garbage) come to pass I think that will be the last straw.

    6. Re:Exploiting Different Standards? by Dr.+Mu · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The DMCA is a bad law, and as citizens of this country we can choose to disobey bad laws. That's really the definition of "Civil Disobedience".

      Well, you're half right. The half you left out is that you do it in a publicly conspicuous manner, so as to attract the attention of law enforcement, and be willing to pay the consequences of arrest and apprehension. Disobeying bad laws in the privacy of your parents' basement doesn't really count as "civil disobedience".

  4. Probably an exercise of first amedment rights? by haplo21112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is civil disobience, via exercise of the 1st amendment people. Its one publisher supporting another. If every new organization does the same whats gonna happen...I doubt everyone one of them is going to court.
    AT least I hope thats what their link is all about. I suppose we shall see if it disappears later or not.
    Hey does /. become an acessory because they link to a story that links to DECSS?

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  5. Rhetorical question or what? by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This falls under the "How the hell could we know the answer?" category.

    But given the statement "But when Linux programmers wrote the DeCSS.exe utility to play DVDs on their computers.." with a link to something clearly labelled as a Windows app and the absence of any reference to 2600 or linking, I'd confidently guess that it never occurred to the writer or editor that there could be anything illegal about such a link.

  6. Re:3 reasons by neuroticia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I doubt that News.com encourages their writers to break laws, even stupid ones like the DMCA. No company wants a writer who is a liability.

    I think it's most likely that the author didn't know better. I mean- hey. How many people can keep up with what is and is not a permissable link? You'd think that an author writing about something like that would know, but... Stranger things have happened.

    Another possibility is that Author emails article in to work, article is handed off to low-level drudge HTML markup person who enters it into the system and link-ifies anything that looks like it could be a link. Sees "DeCSS.exe" and thinks "Oh. what's that?" does a search for it on Google, finds a link, and enters the link.

    I mean... Most authors can't even handle their own proofreading. Who says they create their own links?

    -Sara

  7. News.com is within it's rights by ageitgey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no law in the US against linking to DeCSS. News.com is a news organization and is reporting the news as they see fit. If the DVD-CCA decides to bring suit against News.com and got a judgement forcing them to to stop linking, then they would have to remove the links.

    But it is unlikely that the DVD-CCA would try something like that. They already have enough bad press in the tech sector, the last thing they need is bad press in mainstream news channels.

    This is the same reason slashdot doesn't get raided by some government agency everytime a poster puts a link to DeCSS in a comment. There is no "don't link DeCSS law" and there is no legal ruling (yet...) preventing slashdot from posting DeCSS links in discussions.

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  8. Numbers. by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny
    Binaries are no fun.

    I won't be happy until they air commercials on the TV of Illegal Prime Numbers

    I hear if you use a lossy compression algorithm the number shrinks down to 42.

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  9. Totally Irresponsible by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny
    This is totally irresponsible of a major news site to link to the DeCSS code. After years of hard work, the content producers had almost finished the task of putting that genie back in its bottle.

    Its simple: if there are no links to DeCSS, then there is no way to reach it. DeCSS would effectively cease to exist in this universe. (It might still technically exist, like a physical object that falls within the event horizon of a black hole, but that distinction is only of interest to philosophers). Some would argue that you could reach DeCSS via non-hyperlink text URLs. Give me a break - that's comparing apples and oranges. It doesn't count as a valid way to pierce the event horizon.

    Now, by placing this valid hyperlink, they've created a huge leak in the carefully constructed containment barrier. We might be back almost to square one.

  10. DeCSS is Just a Symbol by ksw2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    DeCSS is just proof of concept code. libdvdcss accomplishes the same end-result, and it actually works. It's embarassing how many people involved in the DeCSS issue don't realize this fact. libdvdcss is just as illegal (according to the MPAA's gestapo) as DeCSS was/is. Maybe it's a good thing that nobody realizes it...

  11. In MORE related news... by erpbridge · · Score: 5, Funny
    Google News links to Slashdot article that links to News.com article that links to DeCSS.

    And how many degrees of separation is this from Kevin Bacon?

  12. This is proven illegal in Denmark... by dmouritsendk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Back in 1999, a whole bunch record companies(including sony, virgin, warner etc.(their Danish departments)) sued two Danish guys for maintaining a list of links to MP3 files from their web site.

    The weird thing about this case was that all the focus was on the guys maintaining a link list, none of the sites who actually committed the crimes was sued(meaning the sites who actually did the ripping and hosting of the music).

    I can understand why they sued the linking guys, BUT(huuuuge but) they should have went for a site shutdown plus maybe a minor fine. They didn't, they sued them for lost profit. Which is the exact same paragraphs that you would get sued by if you copied/ripped the music.

    The whole case was build around they where linking directly to the mp3 files(hosted on various warez sites), and they eventually got them convicted(to pay 100000 DKr(roughly 12500$)) on this fact. This of course, effectively meaning that linking directly to illegal files is, here in little old Denmark, considered as serious a offences as making the files available.

    So if CNET was doing this in Denmark, they could be in trouble.

    If any of you read Danish, you can find the complete court transcript here:
    http://sql.dklaw.dk/vl-dom/

  13. Not to nitpick, by Treeluvinhippy · · Score: 5, Funny
    I really believe that if the Most Important Person in the World(tm) himself, ie: the head of the RIAA

    If Hillary Rosen ever reads this, she's gonna be pissed.

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    1. Re:Not to nitpick, by benwb · · Score: 5, Funny

      With apologies to Mike Meyers:

      Basher: I'm sorry, I thought she was a man.

      Sycophant: Damn it, man! You're talking about the head of the RIAA!

      Basher: You must admit, she is rather mannish. No offense, but if that's
      a woman, it looks like she's been beaten with an ugly stick. Look at her hands, baby! Those are carpenter's hands. I think if everyone were honest, they'd confess that the lady looks exactly like a man in drag.