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The New Webcasting Compromise

arkham6 writes "According to a story on Yahoo, it appears that the RIAA and negotiators for webcasters have reached a tentative deal for reduced rates for 'small' webcasters. However, it appears now that the artists themselves are going to jump into the fray because the record companies now may be able to weasel out of paying the artists."

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  1. Paradigm Shift by claygate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Artists and music pirates have long heralded the removal of the middleman from the music business. This paradigm shift will in effect allow the record companies to make more money and the artist the same amount. Until the artists have a method of promotion that does not require a record label they will always receive the short end of the stick. Maybe instead of $2million advances, a loan of $200,000 from a bank and some hardwork promoting your band as a day job, and playing at night for the band. Turn the band into your business and it might be successful. A few ands have taken that route and succeeded.

    1. Re:Paradigm Shift by Trollificus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Until the artists have a method of promotion that does not require a record label they will always receive the short end of the stick.

      It's not just that. Promotion aside, the record company also pays for the studio time, recording equipment, etc. They pay for the tour bus, road crew and accomodations. They pretty much have you by the balls from stem to stern as far as money is concerned.

      " Turn the band into your business and it might be successful.

      Some of the most successful bands around have realized just this. A big-time band isn't just about music. It becomes such a machine that you need to treat it like one. Learn about business and you're one step ahead of the game.
      The problem is, any business requires capital. Something most young bands do NOT have. They see the recording industry as a free ride to fame. Everything is paid for and setup for them. All they have to do is show up and record, right?
      Or so they think.

      "...a loan of $200,000 from a bank"

      The loan idea sounds nice in theory, but what bank in their right mind would fund a band? The recording industry strikes gold with maybe one in every 20 bands they sign. Why would a bank take that kind of risk?

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  2. middleman mania by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The deal came after an intense week of negotiations that was sparked by pressure from a key lawmaker who threatened legislation that would delay implementation of the payment.

    The RIAA agreed to something because they still want "their" money

    Although artists rights groups appear to have no problem with a deal that helps small webcasters, a union official expressed concern about language that could allow the record companies to avoid paying artists their share of the royalty directly. The language seems to allow the recording industry to deduct the top expenses that they incur for setting up and maintaining the royalty payment regime.

    "Direct payment is crucial, and if the recording industry gets deductibility language, we need direct payment," said one artists rights advocate familiar with the negotiations.

    Obviously they have gone back to their old reliable first choice of people to mess with, just to make sure they get their middle man piece of the pie.

    I want to make life size voodoo dolls of these folks.

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  3. The REAL Killer, the $500 Minimum fee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do all the math you want the REAL stinger is the MINIMUM FEE!

    $500 Minimum.

    Even if you just play one song a year.

    The $500 Minimum is what will kill Most small broadcasters.

  4. Re:/. blurb wrong. They're still paying the artist by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're trying to deduct their expenses for setting up the royalty payment system, not avoid paying artisis altogether.

    I'm sure the recording industry uses the same accountants as the MPAA member companies. The same accountants that figured out that Coming to America, Titanic, and hundreds of other movies never made a profit.

    Hey, if these guys would get together with Enron's accountants, who declared they always made a profit, perhaps the truth would finally emerge???

    The artists will never see a dime of this money.

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  5. Who's going to think of The Artists? by Lux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This makes me more than a little sick. Whenever they appear before Congress or talk to a journalist, the RIAA only talks about "The Artists" {rights, livelihood, right to compensation, insentive, ...} but the second the royalty pickings get a little too slim for the studio's tastes, the artsists are the first ones to take the pay cut.

  6. Why is web-radio so different? by gorjusborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a friend that works for a radio station near where I live. She is a DJ. She has explained to me on several different occasions that the record companies have liasons which pay the station to put certain songs on the air (this was called payola in back when there was no liason). The idea is that the record companies get advertising for their albums, with the assumption that people will buy them.

    Why is on-air broacasting payed to play songs when wired broadcasters are forced to pay to play?

    It seems to me that the same advertisement idea works for both.

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  7. This probably isn't realistic. . . by bass2496 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But maybe we don't need music collection agencies for radio anymore. I vaguely remember reading somewhere that BMI, ASCAP, and the like are among the richest companies in the world. And what do they produce?

    We have the technology today to pay the artists directly. And the cost of a system like that would probably be less than the extra charges that the collection companies add on for profit

    As I said, it isn't very realistic. It is hard for little changes to come about in the music industry, forget about big ones like this. Just a little wishful thinking I guess...

  8. Re:Webcasters by susano_otter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's still not clear where the webcasters are supposed to get this magical money from. After all, they can't fund new albums unless they have some sort of revenue stream, right?

    So: are they planning to charge for their 'casts? Are they planning to sell ads? Are they hoping for industry payola?

    Charging for the 'cast probably won't work. Selling ads might work, if advertisers and websurfers weren't both in "once bitten, twice shy" mode about internet advertising. And if you're doing an end-run around the industry, payola is pretty much a non-option.

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