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NIST Advanced Technology Program Awards

An anonymous submitter writes "Look, some research money awarded to all the recent slashdot topics! Printable LCD displays and circuits, high accuracy biometric algorithms, holographic data storage, an overclockers dream, and the DMCA fights back. See all the projects listed for NIST's FY2002 funding."

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  1. Links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anyone have links to the specific articles here on /.? (Posting Anonymously purely incase someone thinks this is a troll post, it honestly isn't)

  2. You forgot about the biggest benefit. by Prince_Ali · · Score: 2, Funny

    The revenue from replacing slagged hard drives pays for advances in technology so that we can all buy bigger hard drives.

  3. Doesnt Suprise me by L33t-Geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slashdot is widly seen around the web as a realable source for information. The fact that several stories on this site have been picked up by other news media outlets and have qualified for grants isnt amazing, its pretty obvious when you concider the amount of people that read this sites stories. Just some thoughts. -Geek

    1. Re:Doesnt Suprise me by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Slashdot is widly seen around the web as a realable source for information."

      Reliable... as long as you actually read the article. Sometimes I think the /. presentation of a story should be moderate-able.

      "A user has moderated your story -1, Troll to your article titled "Microsoft Claims Linux is Slow""

      Heh. :)

    2. Re:Doesnt Suprise me by TheOldFart · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not sure about you but I would not "concider" such posts as "realable"... Good grief...

  4. That's a lot of nuts! by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Content Specific Camcorder Jamming for Digital Projectors
    Requested ATP funds: $2,000 K
    Cinea plans a two-year project to develop and test prototype technology for distorting unauthorized recordings of digital movies without affecting human visual perception of the original version. Based on a previous feasibility study, the company will modify the timing and modulation of the light used to create the displayed image such that frame-based capture by recording devices is distorted.


    Next year they will probably give a grant to the camera manufacturers to develop technology that will defeat this. Really... where does the NIST get off on taking sides in a political issue like this. Let the movie companies worry about copy protection, and don't spend my tax money on it.

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    1. Re:That's a lot of nuts! by gpinzone · · Score: 2

      Copy protection is everyone's issue. I'd like to find an easy way to prove the artwork on my website were lifted and posted somewhere else. What about freelance photographers selling pictures to news organizations? It's not all corporate evil.

    2. Re:That's a lot of nuts! by Cervantes · · Score: 5, Insightful
      They spend your tax money on putting 80-year old medical marijuana growers in jail, forcing everyone to digital tv and cable whether they like it or not, and flying the president and his 80-person entourage all around the country so he can attent fundraisers for his party... why should this be any different?

      Oh, and lets not forget using your tax dollars to build a fake company to entrap two russian hackers ... add on administrative costs, the plane tickets to fly them over here, cost of the trial, cost of keeping them in jail...

      Don't like it? Write your congressman, write your senator, heck, even write your president (or, if Gore isn't available, settle for Bush ((OH, the karma's gonna pay for that one!)) ). Remember, if you have enough time to post on slashdot, then you have enough time to email your government. There is a page somewhere that gives easy access to email links for everyone, but being at work, I don't have it handy. I'm sure it'll pop up shortly.

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    3. Re:That's a lot of nuts! by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 2
      Agreed. However, this does seem like a middle of the road solution. Non-destructive editing is fine by me--what I don't want is an inferior product. Granted, the method to force the distortion will most likely cripple it (after all, that's the name of the game--get my content on your box, but put a lock on it).

      Still, I would rather this money be used to actually enhance technology than to find ways to hinder it. I understand the situation is more complicated than this, but it just doesn't set right with me.

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    4. Re:That's a lot of nuts! by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      You make some good points, but the whole "get up and do something about it, like email a congressman" thing just doesn't work. They respond to large constituent bases. I realize that no one should criticize the government if he hasn't first taken the time to use his voice and speech to change something.

      In this case, you have to realize the utter futility of the act. I'm not flaming you (though I am peeved at how moderators love "get up and write a letter" posts), but really, the US government is not a monolithic thing--your local congressman won't really have anything to do with this organization. Do you think that this could get floor time? "My constituents have been claiming that another organization's awards are promoting copy propretecting viewpoints, and it's time we stopped that."

      Perhaps copy protection itself could, and I agree a letter for that would be a good idea, but congress has like zero say in overseeing the validity of these awards.

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    5. Re:That's a lot of nuts! by gpinzone · · Score: 2

      Wanna bet I can use your "technique" on pictures of say, the statue of liberty, and still find at least two pictures that looks so close you'd swear they were taken at the same time by the same camera?

    6. Re:That's a lot of nuts! by Cervantes · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I appreciate your viewpoint, and you are correct in that complaining about this particular issue would likely net "0" response. I was, however, referring more to the origional posters comment about "My tax dollars shouldn't go to support this". When it comes to a more basic point like that, then I would fully encourage people to email their congressperson... it may not be quite as effective as a snail-mail or a phone call, but it's a start.

      And I, for one, don't buy the "writing wouldn't do any good" argument, either. I forget how the saying goes in it's entirety, but it starts with something like "With a single step, a journey is forged". Your letter may be ignored... but if 50 people from your area also send a letter about this, maybe that won't. It takes less than you'd think to get noticed.

      Of course, my view on government is skewed, given that I'm Canadian, and as everyone knows, we're ruled over by omnipotent polar-bears and their inuit headhunting henchmen, who will lock us into our igloos with no supper if we ever reveal their presence....

      Awww, CRAP!

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  5. Slashdot pull? by jukal · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Look, some research money awarded to all the recent slashdot topics

    Some of these might have actually got a pull from /. in getting the award. How about pulling one of these open source challenges as well? There seems to be a lot of interest for a Linux API for the Synaptic cPad for example - still it missing.

    1. Re:Slashdot pull? by codepunk · · Score: 2

      That would be great but all of the challenges suck in my opinion.

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    2. Re:Slashdot pull? by jukal · · Score: 2
      >That would be great but all of the challenges suck in my opinion

      The good part is that you can submit a better one. You must have a need for some software that you have always wanted but are not capable of producing yourself?

    3. Re:Slashdot pull? by Target+Drone · · Score: 2
      Some of these might have actually got a pull from /. in getting the award

      I think we'll soon see a grant to send all those old cell phones into orbit by building a space elevator that uses open source software that runs under Linux because it has a lower TCO.

  6. They have to get ideas some where!! by mustangdavis · · Score: 2

    People trying to start companies, get promotions, or earn PhD's have to get inovative ideas somewhere .... and since they all read /., you figure that a couple good ideas might come from here ....

    Lets face it, some people might be very mechanically inclided, but many of those people lack imagination.

    Way to contribute to the advancement of man kind /. !!!!!

  7. This is corporate welfare by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It sounds like a good idea to fund technology that will improve our lives, but when the government uses public money to fund research that will eventually lead to large private profits by paying for the financial risk of researching the technology, it is corporate welfare.

    You may like the technology, but corporate welfare is a huge drain on the treasury that only makes the rich richer, borders on socialism, and forces the taxpayer to take the fall for technology that won't work for private businesses.

    More information on corporate welfare can be found here:

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/handbook/hb105-9.html

    http://www.citizen.org/congress/welfare/index.cfm

    1. Re:This is corporate welfare by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      I'm all for fighting corperate welfare, but you'll have corperate welfare no matter what .. think about how companies profit off the work universities do.

      Corperate welfare in terms of paying for companies to go into new markets (ie, government funds advertising in markets companies want access to) .. worst end of the scale.

      Corperate welfare in terms of taxpayer money being used to spur development of a technology? Current bias in patent laws notwithstanding, some company makes some technology, and we all get to use it. Its not the same as subsidizing the risk of the hyper-growth huge corperate bohemouths are into these days.

      I think alot of the hype around corperate welfare is only an issue when the company is looking for hyper-growth and unreasonable margins or protection of risk/ I certainly don't mind taxpayer money going to private companies if they intend on being responsible participants in the sci/tech community. I'm not sure there is really a hard and fast line in terms of when you stop providing welfare (in the traditional sense .. money to those who need it, ie to spur development) and you start providing silver spoons and beach chairs to companies who've lost sight of any sense of contributing to human progress.

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    2. Re:This is corporate welfare by aero6dof · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It really depends on how you look at it. I'm sure you can find abuses, but there are also major benefits to this type of funding.

      For many projects, the technology developed is at a risk-level that most private companies wouldn't touch otherwise. In many cases, because of the funding source, the gov't also retains a right to use it for themselves. This is arguably the best way for the government to spin off discoveries from basic research in public labs to private companies. The discoveries pay off for the government. Society receives the benefits of the discoveries, and in the long term the IP becomes public. It's not perfect, but I don't think the practice should be abolished.

      Another side benefit is that the technology funding results in a product or range of products needed by the government becoming available at a cheaper cost. The commercial companies produce the project more efficiently than the goverment could produce a good for itself (or hire a company to produce it for gov't use).

  8. So this is why... by Allaria · · Score: 2, Redundant

    we have all the duplicate posts. Better marketing. I get it now.

    Something like...

    1. Duplicate postings by /. editors
    2. Get awards
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

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  9. DMCA Fights Back? by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hardly.

    This proposal simply intends to introduce novel new methods by which content providers can their copyrights. They plan to "modify the timing and modulation of the light used to create the displayed image such that frame-based capture by recording devices is distorted," and that certainly doesn't entail the enactment of Draconian legislation like the DMCA.

    Therefore, what in the blue hell does this have to do with the DMCA (at least at this point)? If anything, this will give scientists the opportunity to attempt to overcome a new set of technologies. This is the type of thing they should be doing. It's better than having them take the litigious route, trying to force the government to protect their business model, and as this merely deals with video recording of projected films, it's hardly objectionable.

    1. Re:DMCA Fights Back? by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2

      Easy...as soon as you increase the exposure time for your camera(to get a blur instead of nothing at all), or integrate any method where two CCDs start their exposures at slightly different times(To aid interpolation), you get slapped by the DMCA.

      More copyright technology begets more desire for copyright-thwarting technologies (or technologies whos spinoffs include copyright-thwarting). More desire begets more bang-for-the-buck the RIAA gets for paying to get the DMCA passed. (I bet Clinton could be traced to such illicit dealings...but nobody's interested now.)

      That in turn means what the DMCA was for all along: Develop all the copy-protection you want, it's now illegal for anyone to even develop technologies that can be used to break it.

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  10. the benefits of retarding camcorders? by Lurking+Grue · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If the motion picture industry estimates that they "lose" $3 billion each year to "piracy" why don't they cough up the $2 million investment into this technology? It could pay for itself very quickly. (If their numbers are anywhere near accurate, that is.)

    From the NIST website: The ATP views R&D projects from a broader perspective - its bottom line is how the project can benefit the nation. In sharing the relatively high development risks of technologies that potentially make feasible a broad range of new commercial opportunities, the ATP fosters projects with a high payoff for the nation as a whole - in addition to a direct return to the innovators.

    So how exactly does this use of our tax dollars have a "high payoff for the nation as a whole? "

    1. Re:the benefits of retarding camcorders? by El_Nofx · · Score: 2

      It doesn't.

      It's complete crap.

      The Motion Picture Industry has alot of members in congress in their pocket. They make record profits every year and they still complain. They will blow 2 mil making some technique to prevent people from recording movies and then the movie theaters will have to buy new projectors to accomodate the tequinque and then the guys who were recording the movies in the theaters will just wait until the dvd comes out and make a divx rip.

      This doesn't benefit anyone except Valenti and his clan of greedy hollywood cronies.
      Kind of a troll I know but it needed to be said..

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  11. Other Fed Funding Stories by Helmholtz+Coil · · Score: 2
    NIST also participates in the Small Business Innovative Research (SBIR) Program, like all the other federal agencies. They all post SBIR topics once or twice a year, and any U.S. based small business can submit proposals for funding.

    Looking for something to do? The DoD and the NSF have their SBIR topics out; you can get more information here. There's always some interesting software development (and not just a few LAN/WAN) topics to check out.

  12. Easy way to do this by nattt · · Score: 2, Informative

    The easiest way to stop someone taping a movie with their camcorder is to use an infra-red lightsource. Camcorders pick up IR - just try pointing your TV zapper at the lens and recording it!

    Perhaps you could place LEDs in the projection screen in the pattern - "Don't Copy Movies" or some other message....

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  13. From the website... by lobos · · Score: 2, Informative

    of the company that's getting money from the government to protect movies...

    "Cinea, Inc. is the premier provider of security services for the Digital Cinema industry and other high-value entertainment content.

    Founded by the same world class engineering team behind the highly regarded Divx(TM) encrypted DVD system, the Cinea security services are the only digital cinema security solutions developed from the ground up to meet the needs of studios and exhibitors
    ."

    Also, from the project website:
    For project information:
    Laurence Roth, (571) 323-0070, x1
    lroth@cinea.com

    ATP Project Manager
    Victoria Franques, (301) 975-8630
    victoria.franques@nist.gov
    Perhaps these people deserve a call and some email?

  14. the nightmare by L.+VeGas · · Score: 2

    " an overclockers dream"

    ...nooo... nooo... too hot ...
    --mumble--
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    --turn--
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  15. Don't they ever learn? by JohnA · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The team that is using $2,000,000 of your taxpayer dollars to "further digital rights management infastructure" has a deep rooted history in another lovely product... Circuit City's DIVX (not to be confused with the MPEG-4 codec). Take a look at their homepage or their executive bios page for more details.

    I guess they couldn't get any private investment after they blew $200 million on DIVX...

  16. Optical (Holographic) Memory by ebuck · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been hearing about this every 3 to 5 years since 1985 when they were considering using it as storage modules for visual recogonition. I imagine it will be another 20 years before a marketable product will be released, if ever.

    On the lighter side of things: If you break an optical storage cell in half, and stick it back in your computer, you will have all of your data, but it will be fuzzy.

  17. I disagree by FallLine · · Score: 4, Informative

    While I am normally strongly opposed to the various forms of corporate welfare, e.g., subsidies, protectionist policies, etc., the ATP is one government program that I strongly support.

    Firstly, unlike those other programs, aka government welfare, these funds are used to pay for the basic research that will lead to economic production, rather than inefficiency.

    Secondly, this program is primarily about defraying RISK, not the COST per se (as would be the case if they were subsidizing production or what have you). What you fail to realize is that many projects are not viable for but a handful of the largest corporations because the level of risk is so high that they cannot afford to even do the research. Who wants to invest in a company, where before they can do anything or make any money, they need to invest 5m (purely for research) for, say, 5 years, with only a 10% probability of success? Would you? Very few investors are willing to incur this kind of risk, even when the potential payout is multiplies higher whatever the initial investment is. Btw, the venture capital community is generally NOT willign to for a number of reasons. There is a reason why the only successful drug producers are

    Thirdly, the NIST prevents companies from engaging in total crapshots on the governmentsdollar by requiring the company to pay for 50% (and in the case of larger companies 60%) of the research.

    Fourthly, there are many additional costs that the companies must pay for to commercialize the technology.

    Fifthly, working for a company that received a grant from the NIST last year, I can tell you that most of awards are NOT to large companies, so the rich getting richer complaint does not hold water.

    Sixthly, the successful investments will yield additional tax receipts that far exceed the grant amounts, especially when secondary beneficiaries are taken into consideration.

    Seventhly, this is a meritocracy. Although it's not perfect, they select the best of the best, at least in theory. The researchers that hope to essentially live off of perpetual research do not get funded. You really have to convince them that it can and will be commercialized.

    Eightly, the companies sole opportunity to really benefit comes from making it into a commercial success, i.e., they're not allowed to pocket the money.

    Anyways-I support it and that's enough for now, I'm going home.

  18. Why the money is justified... by SuperJ · · Score: 2
    It seems like a lot of people here think that NIST is using taxpayer money to give out money to corporations. Having worked there for a year and a half now, I understand why they are justified in using taxpayer dollars.


    NIST does the research, and most of the time ends up selling the technology to corporations. This money they're awarding is mostly to start the research, with the idea that the money will be made back once the research can be put into a product. That way the country benefits by having better tech, and NIST doesn't completely drain taxpayer's wallets.

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  19. Oh, this is classic: by mmol_6453 · · Score: 2
    From the holographic data storage link:

    ...the company will build a device to demonstrate recording and recovery of streaming digital video files.

    Why does everything seem to loop back to the DMCA now?

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  20. Tools for Big Brother by billstewart · · Score: 2
    The phrase "high accuracy biometric algorithms" struck me as suspicious, and sure enough it's Big-Brother-Ware using NIST funding because it's "too risky to attract private investments". Face recognition and voice recognition are the primary goals, for "airport security" and "telecommunications applications". Well, the telecommunications world has plenty of development money available for commercially useful applications, and AT&T Labs has been developing technology like that for years, plus the computer business has been developing speech-to-text intensively and finally has enough CPU horsepower to make it much more usable. But this is targeted toward other applications, presumably surveillance.

    I'd rather not have my money spent on this, thank you. It's not that it's wasted pork - it's development that actively reduces my civil liberties.

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