Posted by
timothy
on from the patience-wearing-thin dept.
crwulff writes "The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle today is carrying a story about Kodak's newest OLED display venture. Unfortunately only a prototype to look at here but at least it is on the way in a couple years." It's worth it just for the photograph. Maybe best to hold off on a plasma TV ...
Will they be able to compete with lcd in 2 years?
by
icejai
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Kodak says the 15-inch screen is a prototype and won't be on the market for two or three years.
I wonder how cheap 15 inch lcd screens will be in 2 to 3 years. They're already falling pretty drastically already. And once these OLED monitors come to market, will kodak and sanyo be able to make a profit if these lcd screens continue to drop for 2 years? They could always make them bigger i guess.
Time for a new Tablet
by
buttahead
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Looks like this would be great for a new tablet type computer. Reading books on this is easier than on a palm pilot, and since the technology uses little power, perhaps the batteries would last as long as the current palms. Another positive would be the slim size for reading during flights.
Re:2 to 3 years off?
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larsoncc
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· Score: 2, Interesting
Now, I don't mean to be a CRT bigot, but...
Apparently, you don't switch resolutions much. If you get a LCD out of it's native resolution, it really starts to look blurry.
As a person doing web work (not to mention games, games, games!), I switch resolutions fairly often. IMHO, I've found that my "high-end" CRT, which costs LESS than even a basic LCD, displays much better, and is far more flexible.
Lifespan?
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Have they solved the short lifespan of the organic light emitting compounds, particularly in the blues? I notice that the photo in the article didn't have a lot of rich, deep blue hues. Was that on purpose?
Re:The prototype still has issues
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Breakfast+Pants
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Back up your claims. Not much more to say than that, but you've been moderated informative for this.. Looking at your message history you also claim to be a naval officer. Not only that you also claimed to do a lot of the initial work on beowulf clustering. In short MOD PARENT DOWN.
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Cambridge Display Technology
by
BeowulfSchaeffer
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· Score: 2, Interesting
I am more interested in the LEP products that Cambridge Display Technology is working on with DuPont and Seiko Epson.
best application for this tech...
by
outsider007
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· Score: 2, Interesting
The screens look better and use less power because they do not need a separate lighting source
imagine a gameboy with a bright screen that doesn't drain batteries *sweet*
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Ambiguous: how thick is it?
by
TomRitchford
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· Score: 4, Interesting
The article says "The 15-inch screen is all of 1.4 millimeters thick -- about the size of two quarters back-to-back," but a SINGLE quarter is 1.75mm, so says the U.S. Mint.
Note the lack of blues in the picture
by
shoppa
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· Score: 5, Interesting
Note that the picture on display in the article
shows a floral scene of browns, oranges, and
yellows. No blues. I'm guessing that the
short lifetime of blue organic LED's is still
a major factor.
That said, the original polaroid and technicolor
processes also lacked any blue - they came later.
If your goal is to reproduce skin tones, you
generall don't need much blue; the eye can
do remarkable things in compensating for lack
of blue illumination but still making you
think you see full-color.
Re:Will they be able to compete with lcd in 2 year
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Steffan
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· Score: 2, Interesting
I don't think they'll have a problem competing with LCD products. LCDs are a relatively difficult product to manufacture, and fab facilities are not cheap either, which means the investment must be recovered through product pricing. Once initial technical hurdles have been overcome, OLEDs should be much less expensive as well as more flexible, literally and figuratively.
I believe Cambridge Display Technologies as well as some other researchers are teaming up with the ink jet people to produce these kinds of displays by "printing" them on a substrate. If they can perfect that kind of technology, you could see a display nearly cheap enough to be disposable.
Animated cereal boxes, anyone?
What about LEP displays?
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Kevin+Burtch
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· Score: 2, Interesting
- Is it just me, or doens't it seem like LEP technology has more promise of ease-of-manufacturability and longevity?
LEP's have been demonstrated for years... anyone know why their development is either stalled or kept secret?
(LEP = Light Emitting Polymer - a similar technology,
with a different, more stable source for the materials)
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Re:3-color or 4-color?
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kaphka
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· Score: 2, Interesting
White LEDs are interesting for other reasons, but as far as display technology goes, people seem pretty satisfied with the "white" displayed on RGB CRTs and LCDs. Why would an OLED panel be any different?
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Yor concerns were proven unfounded in 1828
by
f97tosc
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· Score: 3, Interesting
in that year, the chemist Wohler was the first to make synthetic organic substance from inorganic substances. He thus proved that the 'vital force' theory was incorrect.
Tor
Re:Yor concerns were proven unfounded in 1828
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Tackhead
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· Score: 3, Interesting
> in that year, the chemist Wohler was the first to make synthetic organic substance from inorganic substances. He thus proved that the 'vital force' theory was incorrect.
I was all about to come back with a snappy "Huh? Did Wohler have a fusion reactor to synthesize his own damn carbon?", and then I read this:
After eliminating the guidelines I'd typically used, (and two I hadn't though of!), it appears that the best definition is indeed that "An organic compound is whatever an organic chemist says it is; an inorganic compound is whatever an inorganic chemist says it is."
Thus endeth the lesson. I hope.
This guys 6 posts are a total load
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jsimon12
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Check out all the outrageous claims, this guy needs to be massively moderated down all over the place.
Actually...I'm thinking of LEP - Light Emitting Polymers. Not OLEDS. Similar technology, but probably has better implications for the economics.
wow - they made it?!
by
AssFace
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· Score: 3, Interesting
When I lived in Rochester, my dad was good friends with one of the engineers that was leading a project on that at Kodak. One night over dinner at his house he shook his head and commented that he didn't think they would ever make it. Wonder if he still is on the project. He seemed kinda jaded at that point (1995 or so).
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Bulky LCD's?!?
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naasking
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Kodak envisions OLED technology as a replacement for bulky desktop computer and laptop liquid-crystal display screens.
Never thought I'd hear LCD's referred to as "bulky". Then again, the 15" screen in the article is only 1.4mm thick. Very cool.:-)
Any idea what using OLED instead of TFT active matrix will do for the battery life of a Laptop? Sounds like portables, not CRT replacement, is the real market for this technology.
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Looks cheaper?
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 1, Interesting
Since it doesn't need all the expensive light emmiting stuff that plasma and LCDs use, will this mean that 60" Widescreens will cost only a few hundred bucks? Please...
Re:May not be all it's cracked up to be
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 1, Interesting
OLED may be good for some markets, but...
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 1, Interesting
OLED's with a blue sub-pixel half life of 10000 hours may find great uses in the tablet, notepad, and cheap laptop market. However, at that amount of half life, use in the desktop publishing and graphics markets and other places where color accuracy is important, it is not going to cut it.
I for one am not going to like to have to calibrate the monitor every few weeks. I know a gamer may not care if his character is a tad bit less blue each day. But I dont want to open a photoshop file I created a year ago and find it does not look the same as it did before.
With that kind of half life for blue, it may need some sort of auto calibration feature, and prehaps twice as many blue sub-pixels that can be turned on as the older-worn out sub-pixel degrades.
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Kodak says the 15-inch screen is a prototype and won't be on the market for two or three years.
I wonder how cheap 15 inch lcd screens will be in 2 to 3 years. They're already falling pretty drastically already. And once these OLED monitors come to market, will kodak and sanyo be able to make a profit if these lcd screens continue to drop for 2 years? They could always make them bigger i guess.
Hmm... super-cheap wall-to-wall flat panel displays.
Yum!
Looks like this would be great for a new tablet type computer. Reading books on this is easier than on a palm pilot, and since the technology uses little power, perhaps the batteries would last as long as the current palms. Another positive would be the slim size for reading during flights.
Now, I don't mean to be a CRT bigot, but...
Apparently, you don't switch resolutions much. If you get a LCD out of it's native resolution, it really starts to look blurry.
As a person doing web work (not to mention games, games, games!), I switch resolutions fairly often. IMHO, I've found that my "high-end" CRT, which costs LESS than even a basic LCD, displays much better, and is far more flexible.
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Have they solved the short lifespan of the organic light emitting compounds, particularly in the blues? I notice that the photo in the article didn't have a lot of rich, deep blue hues. Was that on purpose?
Back up your claims. Not much more to say than that, but you've been moderated informative for this.. Looking at your message history you also claim to be a naval officer. Not only that you also claimed to do a lot of the initial work on beowulf clustering. In short MOD PARENT DOWN.
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
I am more interested in the LEP products that Cambridge Display Technology is working on with DuPont and Seiko Epson.
The screens look better and use less power because they do not need a separate lighting source
imagine a gameboy with a bright screen that doesn't drain batteries *sweet*
If you mod me down the terrorists will have won
The article says "The 15-inch screen is all of 1.4 millimeters thick -- about the size of two quarters back-to-back," but a SINGLE quarter is 1.75mm, so says the U.S. Mint.
That said, the original polaroid and technicolor processes also lacked any blue - they came later. If your goal is to reproduce skin tones, you generall don't need much blue; the eye can do remarkable things in compensating for lack of blue illumination but still making you think you see full-color.
I don't think they'll have a problem competing with LCD products. LCDs are a relatively difficult product to manufacture, and fab facilities are not cheap either, which means the investment must be recovered through product pricing. Once initial technical hurdles have been overcome, OLEDs should be much less expensive as well as more flexible, literally and figuratively.
I believe Cambridge Display Technologies as well as some other researchers are teaming up with the ink jet people to produce these kinds of displays by "printing" them on a substrate. If they can perfect that kind of technology, you could see a display nearly cheap enough to be disposable.
Animated cereal boxes, anyone?
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Is it just me, or doens't it seem like LEP technology
has more promise of ease-of-manufacturability and
longevity?
LEP's have been demonstrated for years... anyone
know why their development is either stalled or kept
secret?
(LEP = Light Emitting Polymer - a similar technology,
with a different, more stable source for the materials)
Use google for more info.
- Preferences: Solaris 10 (servers), Ubuntu (desktops), Solaris 11 (personal servers) -
White LEDs are interesting for other reasons, but as far as display technology goes, people seem pretty satisfied with the "white" displayed on RGB CRTs and LCDs. Why would an OLED panel be any different?
MSK
in that year, the chemist Wohler was the first to make synthetic organic substance from inorganic substances. He thus proved that the 'vital force' theory was incorrect.
Tor
Check out all the outrageous claims, this guy needs to be massively moderated down all over the place.
.org.
I've had the honor of helping out on this prototype
Being a former retail shop owner
Being a Marketing Director
I can assure you that VeriSign not only is 'still in it', but they plan on fighting to regain some control over
What I'd like to know is when he'll give gratitude to those of us that helped him early on.
From a Naval Officer...
Actually...I'm thinking of LEP - Light Emitting Polymers. Not OLEDS. Similar technology, but probably has better implications for the economics.
When I lived in Rochester, my dad was good friends with one of the engineers that was leading a project on that at Kodak.
One night over dinner at his house he shook his head and commented that he didn't think they would ever make it.
Wonder if he still is on the project. He seemed kinda jaded at that point (1995 or so).
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
Kodak envisions OLED technology as a replacement for bulky desktop computer and laptop liquid-crystal display screens.
:-)
Never thought I'd hear LCD's referred to as "bulky". Then again, the 15" screen in the article is only 1.4mm thick. Very cool.
Higher Logics: where programming meets science.
Any idea what using OLED instead of TFT active matrix will do for the battery life of a Laptop? Sounds like portables, not CRT replacement, is the real market for this technology.
"Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney
Since it doesn't need all the expensive light emmiting stuff that plasma and LCDs use, will this mean that 60" Widescreens will cost only a few hundred bucks? Please...
Physics Genius II, The Sequel?
-or-
Some crappy knock off?
You make the call!
OLED's with a blue sub-pixel half life of 10000 hours may find great uses in the tablet, notepad, and cheap laptop market. However, at that amount of half life, use in the desktop publishing and graphics markets and other places where color accuracy is important, it is not going to cut it.
I for one am not going to like to have to calibrate the monitor every few weeks. I know a gamer may not care if his character is a tad bit less blue each day. But I dont want to open a photoshop file I created a year ago and find it does not look the same as it did before.
With that kind of half life for blue, it may need some sort of auto calibration feature, and prehaps twice as many blue sub-pixels that can be turned on as the older-worn out sub-pixel degrades.