What To Expect From KDE 3.1
Moritz Moeller - Her writes "As most of you desktop users already know, the KDE Project recently released KDE 3.1beta2, which will be the final development release before KDE 3.1. The good news is, KDE 3.1 is scheduled for release in just a few weeks. The following page gives a nice overview about what is coming with many screenshots. It will certainly be the best KDE ever."
historically kde and Gnome have been to hard to configure due to having too many configuration tools all named similar things.
I'm confused. Since at least 2.0 (Probably back to 1.x days, I hadn't used KDE then.) KDE has had exactly one control panel app, kcontrol. It's always been in the same place on the default KDE toolbar.
Similarly, Gnome has gnomecc which is one app, and I believe has been around since the 0.40.x days.
Where are these multitudes of configuration tools you speak of?
Funny, I've had talks with 2 guys who run BSD, (freebsd and one netbsd), and both just wanted KOffice, but didnt want to bother with the (their terms) Bloat of KDE. Both came back with the same argument, If I wanted that fluff, I'd run XP.
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These guys will spend hours tweaking the the look of window maker and not realize thats EXACT reason why people want KDE.
But KDE goes a step further to offer all the Glueware apps people want, remote desktop control, pim syncronizers, mime type GRAPHICAL file managers, and the other countless useability features they put into the desktop.
BTW, I'm super freaking happy Mosfet is BACK, and releasing a new Liquid engine/theme for KDE. This and the new XFT2 font anti-aliasing, I could do the happy dance.
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Distrowatch
There will obviously always be an update you "really need" to some program in the distro - now it's KDE 3.1, then probably XFree 4.3...
IMHO a lot more important is that they include gcc 3.2, since this is something you cannot upgrade later. KDE 3.1 OTOH can be very easily upgraded (of course, modem users won't like it), suse packages of kde are usually available almost immediately.
mczak
Well actually, I've been thinking of switching from KDE to something lighter. The reason is that I don't really *use* KDE. In other words, I click on the Big K menu roughly never. The apps I use are rxvt, gvim, mozilla, xmms, and sometimes konqueror for file management.
But the fact remains that Kicker keeps me around. I love the way it behaves, I can configure it easily, all my favorite tray utilities are running, I can switch desktops with no effort, etc. If I can find something similar to Kicker without all the KDE extras, I guess that would be a fair compromise.
python -c "x='python -c %sx=%s; print x%%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))%s'; print x%(chr(34),repr(x),chr(34))"
> Did they finally fix all of the bugs from the 3.0 release?
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They fixed thousands of bugs. Especially usability bugs, those are hard to fix.
Check out an overview here
http://bugs.kde.org/reports.cgi?product=-All-&out
The data is incomplete due to the recent switch to bugzilla.
> Have they made 3.x a little more backwards compatible from 2.x?
Who is still using KDE-2.x? KDE-3.0 was released months ago. Many of the old settings have no equivalent anymore, e.g. the filter format in kmail changed.
> ESPECIALLY the documentation ) is half-assed at best
That is true. Go ahead and write some, it will be included.
> Set up the KDE so that when the many, many programs that core dump do their usual crash I'm
> able to automatically send that to the KDE people without having to run a 20-minute wizard.
Huh? This is already done ATM. backtracing without debugging symbols is senseless anyways.
> Write your fucking desktop program so that people upgrading can do so seamlessly and painlessly
Why don't you stop insulting the people donating software to you? Shut your mouth or help the project.
Moritz
Yea, I keep wanting to like KDE (and Gnome) and always try out the newest versions, but somehow I always seem to end up back with Window Maker. It's fast, clean, stays out of my way, does what I need. I'm not knocking KDE, it's an impresive piece of work, but that's the great thing about Linux (or BSD) isn't it? You get to use what you want and not what Bill or Steve think you should use.
Who is still using KDE-2.x? KDE-3.0 was released months ago. Many of the old settings have no equivalent anymore, e.g. the filter format in kmail changed.
Debian woody/stable users? The unofficial kde3 packages are not even up to date.
have you been defaced today?
can you browse your files w/ tabs or just web pages?
i would love tabbed based directory browsing, especially if they could do the photoshop combining tabs into windows thing (of course then Adobe sues them)
ah if only my C was better (or any good at all) i'd give it a shot myself...
but is wired deep into the bowels of the OS, using interfaces not available for other apps
Otherwise, this would exist.
Oh wait. It does.