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What To Expect From KDE 3.1

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Moritz Moeller - Her writes "As most of you desktop users already know, the KDE Project recently released KDE 3.1beta2, which will be the final development release before KDE 3.1. The good news is, KDE 3.1 is scheduled for release in just a few weeks. The following page gives a nice overview about what is coming with many screenshots. It will certainly be the best KDE ever."

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  1. Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's really a shame SuSE wouldn't wait for this release before shipping their product a couple weeks before. It truly has a large number of improvements over 3.0.x. Oh well, perhaps other distros listen to their users' wishes more?

    1. Re:Oh well by mczak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There will obviously always be an update you "really need" to some program in the distro - now it's KDE 3.1, then probably XFree 4.3...
      IMHO a lot more important is that they include gcc 3.2, since this is something you cannot upgrade later. KDE 3.1 OTOH can be very easily upgraded (of course, modem users won't like it), suse packages of kde are usually available almost immediately.
      mczak

    2. Re:Oh well by joib · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, but adjust your release schedule according to which major package? As it stands now, many distros nudged their scheduled so they could release with gcc 3.2. While many desktop users may never touch the compiler, in this case it's important since gcc 3.2 has a different C++ ABI than previous versions.

      Another point is that major releases of big projects tend to have quite a few bugs. If you wait a while you can use the bugfix releases, which inevitably follow any big release.

  2. Best one ever? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, that's a relief. I was worried that the newest version would suck worse than all previous versions. *whew*

    AND it looks more like Windows95? Awesome!

  3. You mean... by fungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    "It will certainly be the best KDE ever."

    Better than the future releases? Woah, I must download that now.

  4. It's fast... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Using it since lunch. Every KDE release seems to get faster and faster. It's actually faster than fluxbox. F' plain window managers if full desktop environments are faster than them. F' twm.

    1. Re:It's fast... by dimator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well actually, I've been thinking of switching from KDE to something lighter. The reason is that I don't really *use* KDE. In other words, I click on the Big K menu roughly never. The apps I use are rxvt, gvim, mozilla, xmms, and sometimes konqueror for file management.

      But the fact remains that Kicker keeps me around. I love the way it behaves, I can configure it easily, all my favorite tray utilities are running, I can switch desktops with no effort, etc. If I can find something similar to Kicker without all the KDE extras, I guess that would be a fair compromise.

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    2. Re:It's fast... by tempest303 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      hahaha, right. I have no doubt that this is faster than previous KDE releases, but you're smoking crack if you think that KDE is actually faster than any of the *box WMs (flux, black, open, etc)

      Glad to hear it is getting zippier, though. GNOME and KDE are ok speed-wise, but they could both stand to get better. The 2.5 kernel becoming stable (in the form of 2.6/3.0) and put into distros will help too, with all the preempt, new schedulers, etc. Those also really provide nice speedups for GUI latency.

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    3. Re:It's fast... by fault0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can try what I sometimes use in my .xinitrc:

      kdesktop --no-x-root& (I think this is the arg)
      kicker&
      exec fluxbox

      You can subsitute fluxbox for kwin, as they are quite similiar in speed. Fluxbox has tabs though :o

  5. Re:KDE hasn't far to go by cscx · · Score: 5, Funny

    So does hitting ctrl-alt-backspace automatically press the "Submit" button in your web browser?

  6. For those who read the article by Wise+Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Andreas> P.S. Let's please be nice to each other, OK?

  7. For those late to the party, here's the article... by Hank+Scorpio · · Score: 4, Informative

    As most of you desktop users already know, the KDE Project recently released KDE 3.1beta2, which will be the final development release before KDE 3.1. The good news is, KDE 3.1 is scheduled for release in just a few weeks.

    KDE 3.1, the strongest KDE release to date, promises new goodies for just about everyone who gets to enjoy the full KDE desktop experience. Here is a sampling of what is in store for you:

    Browsing with Tabs. The many fans of tabbed browsing will be delighted by this new addition to the KDE web browser ( Konqueror ) (screenshot). To simplify downloading a large number of files, a new download manager (KGET), which fully integrates into Konqueror, has joined the network package (kdenetwork). It manages any number of downloads in one window, where transfers can be added, removed, paused, resumed, queued or scheduled. A dialog displays transfer status, including progress, size, speed and estimated time to completion.

    Eye Candy. The artistically-inclined KDE contributors have showered us with a basket of new eye candy. As shown in this screenshot, KDE 3.1 will ship with the contemporary Crystal icon set as well as the original new Keramik theme. The screenshot also shows the new drop-shadows. To help manage these stunning themes, KDE will provide a new theme manager with improved theme style and color decoration previews (screenshot). Menus and other desktop windows can also use attractive drop shadows, as shown in the screenshot above.

    Personal Information Management. On the PIM front, the email client ( KMail ) has gained several privacy and security enhancements - namely S/MIME, PGP/MIME and X.509v3 support - in collaboration with the Aegypten project, an IT security project sponsored by the German government (screenshot). The calendar / scheduling application (KOrganizer) features a new Exchange 2000 plugin. The address book (KAddressbook) has gained the ability to fetch contact information from one or more LDAP servers. It can also print contact information and import industry-standard vCards.

    While not included in the 3.1 release, the next quantum jump in KDE's email / groupware architecture is scheduled for KDE 3.2, when KDE will ship a completely copy-lefted, integrated groupware system. Currently known as the Kroupware Project, it is being sponsored by the German government and will integrate the major KDE PIM applications (screenshot, screenshot). More about this project, and some additional screenshots, can be found on the dot. KDE 3.2 will also feature the ability to use Vim as the mail composer (screenshot).

    File Management. The file manager (Konqueror) has a number of new goodies, such as folder icons which reflect a folder's contents, a video thumbnail generator and a number of plugins for providing enhanced- or meta-information about various file types (e.g., images, binary packages, source code). The file search utility can now search file meta-information for searching multi-media files.

    Desktop Sharing. For those who switch work stations frequently, KDE offers a new VNC-compatible desktop sharing framework. It enables users to share a KDE desktop across multiple machines (screenshot).*

    Enterprise. Enterprises, Internet cafes and similar users will appreciate enhancements to the KDE Kiosk framework (the Kiosk framework provides an easy way to disable certain features within KDE to create a more controlled environment). In addition, the panel (Kicker) now supports fully customized menus.

    Multimedia. The multimedia framework (kdemultimedia) has a new video decoder based on Xine. Xine is a video framework which provides support for various video formats, such as AVI, DivX, Cinepak, Sorenson Video, MPEG 1/2 and 4, QuickTime / MOV, ASF and others.

    Games. For the playful among us, KDE 3.1 will offer a number of new games in the games package (kdegames), including a golf game ( Kolf ) (screenshot), an Atlantik and Monopoly-type game ( Atlantik ), a Blackjack game ( Megami ). and a Same-like game ( Klickery ).

    Ease of Use. A number of other improvements are meant simply to make the desktop easier to use and configure. For example, the application finder (KAppfinder) provides a nice tree view for selecting the applications to include in the KDE desktop menu hierarchy. Two new user notification methods have also been added for providing non-obtrusive informational messages: a passive popup window (KPassivePopup), which pops up next to the application's entry in the panel's taskbar (without stealing the focus), as well as messages which appear in an application's title-bar (KWindowInfo). In addition, the control center (KControl) has received a face lift and better organization (screenshot).

    Miscellaneous. Of course work under the hood continues for KDE 3.1 as well. It provides a number of speed improvements, such as Konqueror start-up time, a number of usability enhancements by the KDE Usability Project, as well as almost 1,000 critter fixes.

    More information about planned KDE 3 features is available for KDE 3.1 and KDE 3.2.

    Some interesting KDE statistics: the KDE CVS source code repository consists of about 2.6 million lines of code (LOC) (for comparison, the GNU/Linux kernel version 2.5.29 consists of about 3.1 million lines of code). The KDE Project consists of hundreds of active contributors, with 300 of them translating KDE into over 70 languages (KDE 3.0.4 shipped in 51 languages). In May 2002 over 11,014 CVS commits were executed. The KDE website has 24 official mirrors in 16 countries and the KDE FTP site has 71 official mirrors in 30 countries.

  8. Configuration is a problem by peterdaly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know if they have fixed any of this yet, but historically kde and Gnome have been to hard to configure due to having too many configuration tools all named similar things.

    I have problems getting the correct tool to configure things manytimes on the first try, it's no wonder new users have problems.

    -Pete

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  9. Browser integration by Jungle+guy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It is a good thing they are concentrating in improving Konqueror. Mozilla is great, but it drags on my desktop. Just like Galeon is much faster in Gnome than Mozilla.

    It is kind funny, though, that KDE is integrating a browser with the desktop environment. Back when Microsoft did that with Internet Explorer and Windows, they received a lot of criticism.

    Don't get me wrong there - the guys in Microsoft are guilty for their monopolistic efforts to demote Netscape. The deals with the OEM integrators are shameful. But integrating the browser with Windows was a right option made by the IT staff.

    1. Re:Browser integration by npietraniec · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, Konqueror gives you the option of using the mozilla rendering engine with konqueror via kmozilla. I'm tried it out here in Redhat 8 and it works quite well. Windows' desktop manager is also integrated into the OS. KDE is not...

      Microsoft kinda offered you less choice.

    2. Re:Browser integration by ProfessorPuke · · Score: 3, Insightful
      First, the people who design & write software aren't "IT" (information technology), they're "SE" (software engineering). ITs are the installers and configurizers, and they're certainly lower on the foodchain than a real SE. (At a technical institute I visited, there was a very formal hierarchy: students enrolled as Computer Engineering or EE, flunked 1st semester and switched to Computer Science or SE, and then became IT after flunking again).


      2ndly, Microsoft Windows(tm) isn't a "desktop environment" (unlike KDE). After version 3.11, it because an entire operating system. Integrating a web browser into the operating system is a big technical mistake, because it infects the OS with instabilities and inefficiencies that are tolerable in a standalone application.


      SE guys (like myself) get angry whenever bad design choices are made to support marketing needs. Microsoft wanted to bundle Internet Explorer(tm) and Windows(tm) into a single product for marketing purposes, so they glommed the source code together in ways that hurt performance of windows as a whole. (Anyone who used Windows98 (tm) much will remember how easy it was for IE to corrupt the whole OS). Numerous compatibilty and security problems were spawned by the "excessive coupling" of browser and OS. (So far KDE is avoiding this trap, because it treats Mozilla quite nicely)


      (To be fair, they had other reasons to integrate IE- for instance, to create the illusion that it was smaller/faster than Netscape Navigator, which was forced to install all its own code)

    3. Re:Browser integration by dimator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For all the flaming Microsoft gets for copying stuff, it's amazing that KDE doesn't get the same. Just looking at the screenshots, its clearly evident that windows XP's style has definitely had influence on the KDE artists, in terms of icon style, colors, etc.

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    4. Re:Browser integration by JoeBuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Konqueror's integration is completely different from IE's integration. IE isn't just integrated into the desktop, but is wired deep into the bowels of the OS, using interfaces not available for other apps. Microsoft made the design as non-modular as they could on purpose, just to kill Netscape. They scrambled up IE DLL's with system DLL's, just to make it painful to remove IE.

      Konqueror just uses the same classes that any other app can use. It has no privileged position. Furthermore, you can run Konqueror from a Gnome desktop.

    5. Re:Browser integration by electroniceric · · Score: 5, Funny

      (At a technical institute I visited, there was a very formal hierarchy: students enrolled as Computer Engineering or EE, flunked 1st semester and switched to Computer Science or SE, and then became IT after flunking again).


      Kudos to this school for teaching its students the essential skills of the software industry: thinking you're smarter than everyone else, not interacting well with other people, and resolutely explaining technical minutia whenevery a situation is threatening.

      I've been wanting another degree - where do I enroll?
    6. Re:Browser integration by scrytch · · Score: 3, Funny

      Konqueror's integration is completely different from IE's integration. IE isn't just integrated into the desktop, but is wired deep into the bowels of the OS, using interfaces not available for other apps.

      Name just one such interface.

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    7. Re:Browser integration by ProfessorPuke · · Score: 3
      Funny, from what I've seen, the calls for help go in the opposite direction (unless we just want someone to haul some 25 inch CRTs around, or hold on the phone for Sun support).

      Maybe programming houses tend to hire less competent IT staff, since the averages employees can take care of themselves quite fine.

      I consider the skills of a network administrator to be a simple prerequisite to software development. Not because its impossible to write code without having configured your own DNS server- but because they're so EASY- relative to say resolving a exception when JNI code is running as a GC in the Swing thread- that every coder should be able to figure it out for herself.

      Of course, there are skills that us programmers disdain, but that network techs might find handy. Like explaining something to an end-user secretary with sentences longer than "rtfm".

    8. Re:Browser integration by Metrol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is kind funny, though, that KDE is integrating a browser with the desktop environment.

      You've got this a little backwards, though it may look very much the same to an end user.

      Konqueror itself is just a shell that can embed components. One of those components just happens to be khtml, the web browser. It also embeds a media player, file manager, image viewer, and probably a few other goodies I've neglected to mention. You simply have one window capable of a variety of embeddable tasks.

      Microsoft took the approach starting from the browser, then getting things to work around it. It's an entirely different approach, but the end result "appears" to be what KDE is doing.

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    9. Re:Browser integration by Nailer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but is wired deep into the bowels of the OS, using interfaces not available for other apps

      Otherwise, this would exist.

      Oh wait. It does.

  10. Too bad about the servers, though by ndogg · · Score: 3, Funny
    Using it since lunch. Every KDE release seems to get faster and faster. It's actually faster than fluxbox. F' plain window managers if full desktop environments are faster than them. F' twm.

    Yeah, it's too bad their servers aren't nearly as fast under the /. load.
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  11. Re:Performance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is this crap getting modded up? Not all applications are using KDE you know (in fact I don't use a single KDE application regularly and all my desktops run Linux/BSD).

    How the Linux kernel got brought into this is beyond me. What older system do you want to run it on anyway? I have several original Pentium systems with low memory running v2.4.x just fine. Surely you don't expect them to keep legacy support around for hardware that's slower than today's wristwatches? ;)

  12. Er. kcontrol and gnomecc? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    historically kde and Gnome have been to hard to configure due to having too many configuration tools all named similar things.

    I'm confused. Since at least 2.0 (Probably back to 1.x days, I hadn't used KDE then.) KDE has had exactly one control panel app, kcontrol. It's always been in the same place on the default KDE toolbar.

    Similarly, Gnome has gnomecc which is one app, and I believe has been around since the 0.40.x days.

    Where are these multitudes of configuration tools you speak of?

  13. Re:Performance by compjma · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stick to Commodore 64, they haven't changed features in years, and are an exceedingly tight code-base. (fits in less than 64K,not meg, not gig, but K)

  14. Re:KDE3 - WM2 by Espectr0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you want a fast window manager combo, how about ratpoison+screen?

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  15. BSD and KDE by BrookHarty · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Funny, I've had talks with 2 guys who run BSD, (freebsd and one netbsd), and both just wanted KOffice, but didnt want to bother with the (their terms) Bloat of KDE. Both came back with the same argument, If I wanted that fluff, I'd run XP.

    These guys will spend hours tweaking the the look of window maker and not realize thats EXACT reason why people want KDE.
    But KDE goes a step further to offer all the Glueware apps people want, remote desktop control, pim syncronizers, mime type GRAPHICAL file managers, and the other countless useability features they put into the desktop.

    BTW, I'm super freaking happy Mosfet is BACK, and releasing a new Liquid engine/theme for KDE. This and the new XFT2 font anti-aliasing, I could do the happy dance. :)
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  16. Screenshots here, get yer screenshots.... by kajoob · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are a bunch of screenshots for your enjoyment while the current server is recovering...

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  17. M$ ad by quantaman · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder who at M$ was the one who decided to buy an ad for this story. Ah well, the sweet irony of clicking on an M$ ad in a KDE story thus generating additional revenue for /. :-).

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  18. Re:What would make it the best KDE ever? by Moritz+Moeller+-+Her · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > Did they finally fix all of the bugs from the 3.0 release?

    They fixed thousands of bugs. Especially usability bugs, those are hard to fix.
    Check out an overview here
    http://bugs.kde.org/reports.cgi?product=-All-&outp ut=show_chart&datasets=RESOLVED%3A&datasets=CLOSED %3A&datasets=FIXED%3A&datasets=WORKSFORME%3A&links =1&banner=1&quip=0

    The data is incomplete due to the recent switch to bugzilla.

    > Have they made 3.x a little more backwards compatible from 2.x?

    Who is still using KDE-2.x? KDE-3.0 was released months ago. Many of the old settings have no equivalent anymore, e.g. the filter format in kmail changed.

    > ESPECIALLY the documentation ) is half-assed at best

    That is true. Go ahead and write some, it will be included.

    > Set up the KDE so that when the many, many programs that core dump do their usual crash I'm
    > able to automatically send that to the KDE people without having to run a 20-minute wizard.

    Huh? This is already done ATM. backtracing without debugging symbols is senseless anyways.

    > Write your fucking desktop program so that people upgrading can do so seamlessly and painlessly

    Why don't you stop insulting the people donating software to you? Shut your mouth or help the project.

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  19. WindowMaker!. by octothorpe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yea, I keep wanting to like KDE (and Gnome) and always try out the newest versions, but somehow I always seem to end up back with Window Maker. It's fast, clean, stays out of my way, does what I need. I'm not knocking KDE, it's an impresive piece of work, but that's the great thing about Linux (or BSD) isn't it? You get to use what you want and not what Bill or Steve think you should use.

  20. Re:What would make it the best KDE ever? by m0i · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Who is still using KDE-2.x? KDE-3.0 was released months ago. Many of the old settings have no equivalent anymore, e.g. the filter format in kmail changed.

    Debian woody/stable users? The unofficial kde3 packages are not even up to date.

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  21. Theme Gripe by cjsnell · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have a gripe regarding the theme used in this screenshot:

    UI developers: please stop using curves in widgets and window decorations unless use can use alpha blending to make the edges of the curve look smooth. I'm sorry but monitor resolution just isn't sharp enough to make curves look good without alpha blending and anti-aliasing.

  22. KDE Switch Campaign? by EugeneK · · Score: 5, Funny
    Apparently this is a new KDE marketing campaign about a *REAL* Gnome user who switched. They seem to have taken it down; luckily I saved a copy!!

    Gnome to KDE: Mission Accomplished, Convert Thrilled

  23. Everyone always says this by JoeBuck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because a GNU/Linux distribution consists of a huge number of independently developed components, there will always be some cool new upgrade to some important package that comes out just a bit too late to make the cut. In many cases, "too late" can mean "two months before ship date", or even more, for any distributor who bothers to do testing before shipping. Waiting doesn't help, because then someone else upgrades their package, and so on. GCC, XFree86, Gnome, KDE, Apache, mysql, etc. all have their own schedules.

    In any case, if 3.1 has cool new stuff, you may want to wait until 3.1.1 for the bugs in the cool new stuff to be fixed. This is no shot at KDE, the same is true for all other big projects.

    1. Re:Everyone always says this by Metrol · · Score: 3, Informative

      In any case, if 3.1 has cool new stuff, you may want to wait until 3.1.1 for the bugs in the cool new stuff to be fixed.

      Over in FreeBSD land folks have set up regular builds off the KDE CVS to allow for much more testing than in the past. It's part of the FruitSalad project (not gonna link it, cause I don't wanna crash it) which you can fine linked from the KDE on FreeBSD project site.

      Anyone doing something similar for any of the Linux distros?

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  24. Re:For those late to the party, here's the article by boa13 · · Score: 5, Funny

    KDE 3.2 will also feature the ability to use Vim as the mail composer

    But will EMACS 21.3 feature the ability to use KDE as the window manager?

  25. file browsing w/ tabs? by bilbobuggins · · Score: 3, Interesting
    can someone clear this up for me?

    can you browse your files w/ tabs or just web pages?
    i would love tabbed based directory browsing, especially if they could do the photoshop combining tabs into windows thing (of course then Adobe sues them)

    ah if only my C was better (or any good at all) i'd give it a shot myself...

    1. Re:file browsing w/ tabs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anything in Konquere can be browsed with a tab. If you want to have one tab with audiocd:/, another tab with http://www.slashdot.org, another tab with lan:/, and another with file:/usr/lib you can.

      The tabs are so you can have seperate konqueror "views" without multiple instances of konqueror running.

  26. Integrated Groupware by MBCook · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I relalize that they have a theme going, naming things starting with a 'k', but surely someone else out there things that "kroupware" isn't the best name for a groupware program. "kgroupware" would be ok, "kooperate" would be good, even "kommunity", but "kroupware"? I had the kroup a few times as a kid and it wasn't fun. I like KDE, but if I have get the kroup to use it...

    OK, OK, it's a bad pun/joke, but I hadn't seen it yet, and you've got to admit, there are better names they could use.

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  27. Re:Not Debian, for sure by Alowishus · · Score: 3, Informative

    You have missed an opportunity to upgrade your unstable box to 3.0.4.

    The KDE mirrors have Debian packages available for both Sid and Woody:
    ftp://download.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3 .0.4/Deb ian

    Add that to your apt.sources and party on. I believe it's a good idea to remove 2.2.x entirely before doing the 3.0.x upgrade.

    FAQ here:
    http://davidpashley.com/debian-kde/faq.html

  28. Re:Not Debian, for sure by joib · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apparently they're waiting for gcc 3.2 to be the default compiler before they upload kde 3 to unstable. As to what's holding gcc 3.2, go figure. I read somewhere that they're waiting for glibc 2.3, or was it the other way around.

  29. Useablilty by e8johan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since there has been much discussion of the "Linux on the Desktop" issue, I feel that the Kiosk framework will give KDE a real edge!
    This is really what I miss when I try putting Linux boxes in an environment with computer illiterate users wanting to poke around. They try fiddling with the settings just as they do on the Windows boxes. Their fiddling around has been great for me as a admin since I've gotten a great argument for upgrading to later (more lockable) windows versions, thus not having to cope with the notoriously unsafe, crashing, generaly sucking Win9x boxes. Now I run Win2k locked down so that they hardly may move the mouse and I long for the day when I can get them to run Linux boxes without letting them fiddle around and come crying about some "lost icons" or something else.

  30. Re:What would make it the best KDE ever? by Metrol · · Score: 3, Informative

    Write your fucking desktop program so that people upgrading can do so seamlessly and painlessly

    Why I left Linux behind. This is a distro issue, not KDE's. On FreeBSD, to upgrade from 2.x to 3.x looks just like this...

    # pkg_delete -rf qt*
    # portinstall kde3

    This removes the old stuff, compiles the new stuff, and installs it. Don't have time for a compile?

    # pkg_add -r kde3

    Done.

    I am forever amazed at the folks that can actually get stuff like RPM working properly to upgrade large packages like this. I'm guessing these folks are not that numerous, as there appear to be a lot of folks posting here waiting for their distro to come out with a totally new release just to get KDE updated.

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  31. Re:Not Debian, for sure by Isldeur · · Score: 3, Informative

    >Apparently they're waiting for gcc 3.2 to be the default compiler before they upload kde 3 to unstable.

    Well, I have 3.2 on a stock Mandrake 9.0 setup on an Athlon-XP 1600+ and the compiler craps out say once in every 15 compiles (of average-sized files). Last night I was compiling the multimedia package of kde3.1 beta2 and had to start a while loop of makes because one big file (artsmodules.cc I think - some 13,000 line computer generated file) kept choking it to death. It's such the annoyance.