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Microsoft may Sanction the 'Switcher' PR-Rep

Nerull sent in a snippit from The Age saying "Microsoft may consider sanctions against a public relations consultant who tried to pass herself off as someone who had switched from the Apple Mac to Windows XP in a high-profile US advertising campaign, chief executive Steve Ballmer said today." Here is Monday's Slashdot Story that this follows up to. Lots of amusing little quotes about what it means to be trustworthy.

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  1. Typical corporate patter . . . by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    . . . oops! We got caught! Why, this was one rouge contractor who didn't meet our standards of conduct. We'll see that s/he is appropriately flogged in the public square. Then we'll go on doing the same things, only being more careful not to be so obvious about it.

    1. Re:Typical corporate patter . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yea, first it was a "consultant". I've never worked at a place where a consultant's work was posted to the Corporate web site without, at least, 3 levels of Corporate approval. One by the consultant's corporate supervisor, one by the Corporate PR department for "message", and one by the Web site manager.

      Someone Corporate had to approve the PO to pay for the stock photo.

      Neither have I worked in a place where consultant's ruled their own destiny. To work on projects other than what they've been asked to work on is bizzar.

      Yea, "rouge contractor", that's it. Microsoft would NEVER think to do such a thing.

  2. Slaughtering the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Interesting tactic: "We deliberately engaged in a campaign of misinformation and lies ... so we're going to punish the person we hired to carry it out."

    From an organizational perspective, this renders down to if we screw up, you're the one left swinging.

    1. Re:Slaughtering the messenger by johnnliu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought the message is more like:

      If we screw up, don't get caught. If you get caught, you're gone.

    2. Re:Slaughtering the messenger by dubiousmike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "From an organizational perspective, this renders down to if we screw up, you're the one left swinging."

      You mean like Apple with MacWorld?

  3. microsoft's silly blame game by mattdm · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Ok, no one else has said this yet, so I will: this whole stance Microsoft is taking of blaming the consultant is the most laughable thing I've heard in a long time. Why on earth would some random low-level ad person lie to help Microsoft? Is she an evil, conniving, "not entirely straightforward" person? Answer: no, of course not. She did it because Microsoft told her to do it, and paid her.

    At the best (or worst, depending on the angle you're looking from) she came up with the concept and it was okayed by her superiors -- it did end up on the Microsoft site, after all, and from the article she wrote, I seriously doubt she has the technical skills to hack in and put it there herself.

    Microsoft's claim that they're the innocent victims of the manipulations of some ad agency schemer is so obviously ridiculous and transparent I can't believe they're even trying it.

  4. She did nothing wrong. by 91degrees · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It wasn't a outright lie. she had switched to XP, and wrote about it. She changed some of the less relevent details so that people didn't dismiss it as a piece of marketing fluff, but that was all.

    The facts remain true. She did switch. She did find it easy.

    Besides, this is marketing. It's not expected to be 100% true. How do we know that any of Apple's "switch" stories aren't simply made up?

    1. Re:She did nothing wrong. by mccalli · · Score: 3, Insightful
      She changed some of the less relevent details...

      Such as who she actually was, what she looked like and the fact that her writing was actually straight from the Outlook manual...

      Cheers,
      Ian

    2. Re:She did nothing wrong. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > How do we know that any of Apple's "switch" stories aren't simply made up?

      Although I think this is all besides the point. I think the 'mistruth' that would piss off the upstairs would be the stock photo they used with the article, not the article itself. That's what left them with egg on their face.

      But the stories on all sides are half-truths, basically. They compare Mac OSX to Windows 95/98, not to XP (or even 2000) which would be the fair comparison.

      I mean you could compare Windows XP to MacOS 8 and see which one "just works". The only time I was forced to reboot XP was after the service pack install.

      Noone's after the truth. Not MSFT nor Apple nor the linux or BSD crowds. They're all simply out to say "mine is better than yours".

      And as for Ellen Feiss - yeah, we've all seen a Win98 box freeze or crash, and probably lost some data in the process.. But I've never seen one go BEEP BEEP BEEP or make anything that sounds like that gravelly noise from the back of your throat. (Except a dying hard drive, which AFAIK the almighty Apple is not immune from)

      Meh. Who even cares anymore?

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    3. Re:She did nothing wrong. by BurritoWarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Her "story" fits the exact same formula as the other "testimonials" on Microsoft's site. She didn't do this on her own. It was a marketing campaign orchestrated by MS and their PR firm.

      If she was some "rogue contractor" than I guess so was the little boy and the other testimonials on their site too. Odd, how they all write with the same style and flair, isn't it?

      Does MS really believe we are THIS dumb?

    4. Re:She did nothing wrong. by Knobby · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, there were a number of comments posted the other day that pointed out Mac (rather than windows) path delimiters recorded in the word document that was posted on-line. This implies that the may have been no "switch" at all..

      If I were Microsoft I'd probably be just as pissed that she mentioned having to reinstall Outlook while she was attempting to make the switch.

      As far as Apple's Switch ads are concerned, it's hard to believe they aren't real. The people get up there and state their name. If I knew the person on the screen and knew that they were lying, then you can bet that I'd say something..

    5. Re:She did nothing wrong. by Shagg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As far as Apple's Switch ads are concerned, it's hard to believe they aren't real. The people get up there and state their name. If I knew the person on the screen and knew that they were lying, then you can bet that I'd say something..

      Do you believe that Michael Jordan wears Hanes underwear because he's in a commercial selling it. Do you believe that actor from the Cop shows uses Nextel phones. Do you believe that "insert famous person here" uses "insert company product here" that they are paid for endorsing?

      I have no doubt that all of the people appearing in the Mac ads are using their real names. However, I also have no doubt that they are reading the script that Apple is paying them to read.

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    6. Re:She did nothing wrong. by reptilicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ---They compare Mac OSX to Windows 95/98, not to XP (or even 2000) which would be the fair comparison.---

      Where in the ads does it specifically state which version of Windows they're talking about? How do you know they're talking about 98 or 95 or XP? Do you need drivers for a digital camera in XP? Do you get the BSOD in XP? Does it crash and you lose unsaved work? If none of these things can possibly happen in XP, then you have a point, otherwise you don't.

      Also, think about who these ads are targeted at, people who are going to buy a new machine. How many people with XP are shopping for a new system? Odds are most people looking for a new machine are using 98 (as it is STILL the most popular version of Windows). Why not compare what they can expect from Mac to what they've already experienced? How is this disingenuous?

      ---I mean you could compare Windows XP to MacOS 8 and see which one "just works".---

      OS 8 has been discontinued and is no longer for sale or supported by Apple. Windows 98 is still available for sale (at least you can buy it from PC Warehouse). Comparing one available product to another available product is a lot more fair than what you're asking.

      As for other posts that wonder if the Mac switchers are real people or not, head over to:

      http://www.boingboing.net

      and you can find Mark Frauenfelder and ask him yourself if he exists.

    7. Re:She did nothing wrong. by pgilman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      " Besides, this is marketing. It's not expected to be 100% true."

      this is a huge problem with american corporate culture, and american culture in general: it's OK to be dishonest; it's OK to lie. it's expected. stop and think for a moment how twisted it is to expect to be lied to and to accept it; condone it, even. this is the same sort of mindset which allows for such evil as the "aggressive bookkeeping" of enron et al.

      americans' acceptance of this sort of pragmatic, "anything's all right as long as you don't get caught" mentality is why america is more and more culturally and morally bankrupt every day, and losing its stature in world politics.

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  5. Microsoft Code of Behavior? by DickBreath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Although not referring specifically to the Mallinson case, he added it may be necessary to "weed out" employees who did not live up to Microsoft's code of behaviour.

    Microsoft has a code of behavior? You could have fooled me. Especially given the reprehensible way they have behaved as a corporation for the last decade.

    Oh... wait... Maybe I'm making assumptions about what the code of behavior says. Maybe she will get in trouble for violating the code of behavior, namely, because she got caught and did not get away with it.

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  6. This is hilariously sad by quantax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me get this straight, Microsoft hires her to do this little commercial, I imagine not giving much of a shit whether or not she switched. Perhaps she mentioned the word switch, so she seemed to be qualified. Then they will actually punish her for their retarded PR mistake? This is like a parent telling their kids, "Jonny, go tell our neighbors about our dog that we don't have." And then once the neighbors call up asking why Jonny is going on and on about a non-existant dog, the parents say, "JONNY! GET YOUR ASS OVER HERE, YOU LYING YOU LITTLE SOB, IMA GONNA SMACK YOU DOWN!" Punishing your workers for the very thing you hired them to do demonstrates piss poor decision making on the managers parts. MS is the one who came up with this rediculous faux-switch campaign, shooting the messenger who brought it to the people is just irresponsible. Personally, this sounds like a pink-slip relay, everyone handing the responsiblity down until it arrives at the foot of the person who listened to what everyone told them to do.

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  7. Attention Microsoft...don't blame her by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Blame the real culprit...the nefarious marketing hack Don Funk (donfu@microsoft.com). Here's an image from that ad. Note the name of the user who is logged on.

    Valerie may have written the copy but do you think she got the stock image, drove to Microsoft, got on Don Funk's computer, took a screen shot, then uploaded it to the server? Perhaps she just made a "Don Funk" user on her machine and hacked into the MS web site.

    Ah well, Ballmer's on the case - "I will certainly castigate the offender." Ooh, I never thought they'd go for castigation at MS...after all, that would leave them with eunuchs.

  8. Reminds me of the show 'Cops'... by MercuryWings · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ....where the criminals are always sorry - but usually they're only sorry they got caught.

    Micirosoft has been known for this type of behaviour. Using one of their own PR persons to pretend to be a 'switcher' (for the lack of a better term) is just par for the course

    I'm not surprised MS is planning reprisals for this person. Pretending to be an ordinary joe off the street that switched is ok - getting caught as a stooge in one of MS's standard FUD strategies though - that's just not acceptable.

    <sarcasm>

    How dare she be so stupid as to not have gone into hiding and prevent the damage to MS's precious reputation?

    </sarcasm>

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  9. ...and exactly how is this "high profile"? by DavidBrown · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I certainly agree with the general sentiment that Microsoft has egg on its face. Again. But, really, the faux-switcher website cannot be considered as a high profile ad campaign by any stretch of the imagination. Where are the TV ads and radio spots? The X-10 pop-up ads have had much more of an impact than the Microsoft webpage. Most of us learned about the MS ad here on /., not via any source of mainstream media.

    Perhaps this wasn't Ballmer's idea - at least he's trying to present a claim of plausible deniability - not that it matters. MS is certainly responsible here - but blowing the fraud out of proportion isn't doing any good. It will simply allow MS to downplay criticism of their greater crimes with a "there they go again" excuse.

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  10. Re:For the money M$ must be throwing her way: by Mr_Silver · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Are they going to act on the other 'testimonials' that are prefaced with stock photo images?

    Maybe it's just me but I don't really care about the stock photos. Sure, there was an image of a woman on the site, but they didn't caption it saying it was her, they didn't imply in any way that the picture was her, it was just a picture of a woman and everyone jumped to the conclusion that it was supposed to be her.

    At the end of the day, on that point, who cares? If the content of the page was correct (and the person was indeed true) then as far as I'm concerned they could have put any picture of any person from the Getty library.

    Finally, I'd far rather see a picture of a pretty model than an ugly 40 year old woman - even if the former doesn't understand the concept of double clicking, let alone switching operating systems.

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  11. I dont think it's the 'switch' story at all.. by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If anyone inside Redmond is steamed, it would probably be because of the stock photo.

    Sure, she probably was told to 'switch' to XP and write a story about it. But it's the fake picture that was the embarassment. If she used a real photo of herself, it would be dismissed as just another paid advertisement.

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  12. Code of Ethics? by limekiller4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:
    Although not referring specifically to the Mallinson case, [Ballmer] added it may be necessary to "weed out" employees who did not live up to Microsoft's code of behaviour.

    Uhh. I'd love to know precisely what this so-called "code of behavior" is.

    We would then be free, presumably, to hold it to Ballmer et al to these standards every time they lie, cheat and obfuscate the truth about their DRM motives, security holes they claim aren't really security holes, but "features" ...you name it.

    I'm especially amused that Microsoft is trying to take some ethical high ground on this. Even if you accept that this incident wasn't planned, everything from Dr. DOS to the Halloween docs prove they've got no such mitre to fling around.

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  13. Microsoft's code of behavior? by Get+Behind+the+Mule · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Ballmer: ... it may be necessary to "weed out" employees who did not live up to Microsoft's code of behaviour.


    Hi Steve! (I know you're reading.)

    What does Microsoft's code of behavior have to say about employee conduct that gets the company convicted in the Federal court system for multiple violations of the Sherman Act?

    What does the code say about executives who lie under oath in videotaped depositions?

    What does the code say about manufacturing evidence in a trial?

    What does the code say about attempting to intimidate potentially hostile witnesses?

    Will you be "weeding out" any of the Microsoft employees who are known to have done all of these things?
  14. Another important lesson learned. by JQuick · · Score: 2, Insightful
    A quote from Balmer ends the article. It highlights a serious problem in both Microsoft and the American business community.

    "In a perception sense this hasn't been a very good four to five months, I'll be blunt. On the other hand we now understand another important lesson in terms of what it means to be a trustworthy partner."

    This disgusts me. First, what he seems to find bad is the perception of the public, not the reality of his company's malfeasance. He then claims to understand a really important lesson about being trustworthy. Apparently that lesson is that a trustworthy partner does not lie. Some would tend to a harsher interpretation - that the lesson was don't get caught lying. Whether true or not, I find the most generous interpretation to be sufficiently damning.

    Pretty lame Mr. Balmer, pretty lame.

  15. Open letter to Slashdot develpoment by AshleyB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To: slashdot development crew
    From: more readers than you realize
    Re: expanded comment threshold settings

    I sincerely propose that Slashdot implement a threshold setting so that readers could view comments in a more dynamic way. The proposal: let the reader chose the minimum and MAXIMUM settings for comments that they wish to see. For example, view all comments from +1 to +3.

    The benefit I see in this is that while still eliminating the 'first posts' and goatse.cx posts that hover around 0 and -1, this will also spare readers the homogenous groupthink ('Microsoft sucks!') that is seen at the +5 posts.

    Please take this post will all sincerity.

    Thank you.

  16. Re:For the money M$ must be throwing her way: by excaliburdj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're overlooking one thing here. From the outset, this was being compared to Apple's 'Switch' campaign in which they use real people (as far as we know ;-) )

    So...in addition to this article being paid for, they didn't use the real person to whom the article was attributed, thus making it even *further* from Apple's campaign than was originally thought. That's why there's such an uproar about this being a 'stock' photo. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was, say, a webpage purely about product features or tech support.

    Also...another point that I'd like to make, just because I sometimes enjoy kicking dead horses (it's therapeutic, you should try it), is that in All of Apple's 'Switch' campaign ads and their website ads, they never include instructions on how to switch. That's what makes the article even more fake. Yes, they have a page on how to do the switch, I know, but they don't say, "Hi, I'm some kewl dude who switched to the Mac, and here's exactly, click by click, how I did it" in any of the ads.

  17. Scapegoat by ddtstudio · · Score: 3, Insightful

    you know the origin of that word? tribes used to take a goat, assign to it all the sin and blame of all the tribe's members and then tie it to a stake and kill it.

    the relevance? obviously this ad stunt was done with approval, at least tacit, by microsoft. now, of course, they can claim to be purging "anyone who doesn't meet microsoft's high moral standards." plausible deniability.

    grr

  18. Oh, pleeeease... by mgessner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TELL me they didn't orchestrate that themselves...

    "We need something to fight that stupid Apple campaign. Hey! Let's turn the tables on them! Call that PR firm and tell them to make a 'I switched from Apple to XP because...' campaign!"

    They're just making a scapegoat to hide the fact that their ad was so STUPID they wanted to blame somebody ELSE for it! That ad was LOADED with crappy Microsoft phrasing.

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  19. Re:tin foil hat by Jobe_br · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just an FYI. Ad agencies and PR firms may have the appearance of being dishonest and what not, as you allege, but in the end, everything the ad agency or PR firm does is approved by SOMEONE on the client's side. Someone at Microsoft saw this, read it, and agreed to it - probably went through a couple of rounds of revisions to get the wording right and to choose which images to show in the article. Ad agencies don't just go off on their own and do whatever they think ought to be done. Thinking that is ludicrous.

    Not only is the PR consultant who wrote the piece not at fault because it was approved by someone at Microsoft, but the initial concepts of the idea and each draft of the article was routed through various levels of higher-up directors, in an ad agency, you'd have a designer, an art director, a creative director and an account executive before the client even sees anything. I'm not sure how its structured in a PR firm, but its likely similar. For Microsoft to target one person for such an elaborate article is ridiculous.

    Cheers.

  20. Advertising works like that by Bobb+Sledd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm really not trolling here, and I'm not advocating MS in any way, but it seems that a lot of otherwise bright people are hung up on this being a Microsoft blunder when this happens everyday in advertising.

    When you see an ad on TV for herpes medication, do you think that person really has herpes? Of course not - you couldn't pay anyone enough to do a commercial like that. They are paid actors, and nothing more. They may even hate the product they are selling.

    The PR lady is nothing different; she was, in effect, a paid actor. So they made a false testimony, so what? Advertisers do that all the time to drum up business. It seems slimy and under-handed, but it's the way it works most of the time.

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    1. Re:Advertising works like that by stantron77 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let's be realistic about this. How many companies hire a PR firm and say "Go ahead, make whatever campaign you want. Don't even worry about approval, I'm sure you will do a good job." This is esp. true with a company that does as much marketing as Microsoft. This was at some point presented to Microsoft and they approved it. It's that simple. No PR firm would blow a contract with a corporation like MS by not checking the campaign with them. It just doesn't make sense.

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  21. Re:She's probably relieved... by ruiner13 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Of course it's a bit rich saying it was a rouge PR or marketing drone. I'm sure the marketing gestapo at MS rules with an iron fist and may well have insisted some sort of respose to Apple's succesful campaign.

    Not so sure about that. They have had their marketing come back and bite them in the ass before. One I remember is the whole Novell customer targeted marketing when they told many Novell Netware users that Novell was dead. I think they also made some ads a while back where they showed a person painted into a corner (and the paint color was Sun's color)

    Anyway, my point is that I don't think they either

    1. don't pay attention to their marketing drones
    2. get off on causing contoversy (no such thing as bad press?)
    3. are so out of touch with reality that making up fictional switch stories sounded like a good plan
    4. All of the above
    Hell, with all the money Ballmer and Gates make, I bet they can get some pretty powerful hallucinogens.
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  22. Re:Apple's "switch" ads are suspect... by Gropo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I agree to a point - the mysteries surrounding the "Switchers" are intriguing enough to warrant skepticism...

    One thing that differentiates this Microsoft snafu from Apple's initiative is that the Switchers are actually who they say they are...

    I'll lean back on old steadfast Ockham's Razor and speculate that it's far more likely that NDA's were signed by the switchers to prevent a potential PR nightmare rather than to encapsulate coniving secrets about the honesty of the statements as depicted in the ads. For instance:
    SwitcherX speaks to ReporterX quite candidly about how "I switched back to Windows since that Ad was made due to Minute Quibble/Job Requirement/Sheer Ignorance " and before you know it, a huge headline reads: APPLE IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE ACCORDING TO 'SWITCHER'
    I'm not trying to play the part of Apple Apologist here, I'm just always under the assumption that automatically bridging the gap between a couple pieces of evidence and reality with a conspiracy theory is almost never the most logical move...
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  23. Re:Odd indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What's really alarming is that they apparently hired her to do this. So...they pay her money to write up the ad, then punish her?

  24. Re:Odd indeed. by dcuny · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Didn't you ever look at the screen when Windows9x/2000/Me/XP boots up? Sure looks like a flag to me.

    Which explains the urge I get to salute every time my machine reboots... .

    Or how about that funky key between the Alt and Ctrl on US keyboards? Same freakin' flag, and after all these years it *still* gets in the way.

    Even when I'm using KDE... *Sigh*

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  25. Ballmer... by scot4875 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In all honesty, this is one of the most reasonable bits I've heard from Ballmer. With the exception of the "castigate" comment, nothing came off as unreasonable or rediculous.

    I mean, he even admits that they have a lot of work ahead of them to change the public's perception of the company, due to some of their questionable actions. He even admits that their *licensing* changes were a reason for people to not trust them.

    This doesn't sound like Ballmer... Maybe they started him on Ritalin?

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