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The Free State Project
Psychic Burrito writes "From their website: The Free State Project is a plan in which 20,000 or more liberty-oriented people will move to a single state of the U.S. to secure there a free society. We will accomplish this by first reforming state law, opting out of federal mandates, and finally negotiating directly with the federal government for appropriate political autonomy." Perhaps they should also read Everything: Kansas. I think Don Marti was also the one who thought the geeks should do this by moving en masse to North Dakota.
What happens when you put 20,000 Libertarians together? Dueling bangos, or just dueling. I'm sorry, Libertarians would probably be okay if A) They weren't such gun freaks. B) They didn't think that they all deserved to be inherently wealthy over and above the cost of basic services.
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Dumb Floridians strike again. This is why Fark.Com has a section entitled "Florida". They're their own class of idiocy.
As a technical side note - they use the idea that the Border Patrol set up a border check point where they stopped ever car to search for aliens/drugs inside the US instead of at the border. They decided that this established a new border (they consider the line of the old checkpoint the border of their country).
For their information, the Border Patrol has a long established history of doing this with the Mexican border. There are checkpoints on every major Mexico-bound highway in Texas around 100 miles inside the US, as a double-check. They can (and sometimes do) stop every car coming through when they have good tips that shipments are moving at that time/location. Nobody has ever challenged this because it's perfectly reasonable and doesn't establish any new border.
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As a person who has signed up for the FSP, I have no problem paying for national defense (albeit with less waste than we have now). However, national defense is only 16% of the federal budget. Most of the budget goes toward entitlement programs (Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security) which I have no interest in supporting.
Now I don't want to jog anyone's memory here, but the last time we had people that wanted to "drop out of the system" was around the 1860s was it not?
Someone please jog my memory about how that plan worked out... I can't remember.
Also, if you want to turn a portion of the US into a "federal free zone" then you will become the new federal crimes enterprise zone and also the federal fugitives haven zone as well, leaving you with a federal crime problem that no one (especially the ones that don't want to *gasp* PAY for a non-regulated police force) to mop up all of the immoral acts that no one is enforcing.
Honestly, just move to the country people. If you mind your own business, most people will leave you alone. But honestly, if this is about the fact that you want to smoke weed, have an issue with pre-ban magazines on assault rifles, or generally just don't want to pay taxes, then I would suggest moving to Afghanistan. You can pretty much do what you want to there. Y'know.
Keep in mind that lawlessness is a great idea.
But only if you're paranoid, self-sufficient, unfriendly, armed to the teeth, healthy enough and disciplined enough to not need high technology, and and don't mind losing a child or two to the occasional resource raid.
Hmmm. WHERE DO I SIGN UP?!?
and the "squares" tend to be the ones that stick out in a crowd. Even if the Laws are against pot, local police don't really bug people about it unless they're doing something else like having a turf war or driving into things.
there may be laws on the books but "It's casual"
I want CA WA OR and NV (so we get vegas) to just leave the USA and form a "west america" new country. then if you think it sucks, you just move back east where you weirdos come from.
seriously though, I think Califonia will end up leading the way anyhow.
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"Specifically, highway funds come from a Federal pool to which each state contributes according to their ability, and from which funds are allocated to each state, according to their need."
Ooh those are dirty, fighting words. Methinks someone has had their head in Any Rand lately.
Just remember, there are two kinds of freedom: freedom to, and freedom from.
While I enjoy the freedom to go 65 mph in my German car with four-wheel anti-lock disc brakes, I also enjoy the freedom from those in other, less safe cars going 90 miles an hour. Most cars on the road today were not designed with safe driving at speeds higher than 65 in mind, especially SUVs and Geo Metros. Speed limits at least allow the cops to pull over those with less regard for life than I.
Though libertarian at heart, I also agree that given the current system, Motorcycle helmets also need to be legislated due to the exhoribtant cost of injuries to helmetless drivers thrust upon taxpayers. The pragmatist says freedom from paying to fix the head of some anonymous helmetless driver is more important than the freedom to ride without a helmet. (now if we ditched all public support for health care it would be a different story. no helmet? no money or insurance to pay for brain surgery? see ya. too bad. hope you end up in heaven.)
Or, hell, take over Quebec. 20000 more votes in their last dumb-ass attempt to separate would have put them over the top.
Nevermind that Quebec is a money-loser province, and that if it separates, it will lose all funding from every other province, putting into one helluva economic death-spiral...
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These maniacs are talking about invading MY state, overthrowing the people (Bernie Sanders, Jeffords, Leahy) who are currently doing good work in Washington, and freaking taking over.
You are a damned fool if you see that as anything other than an attack. I don't know how the residents of other mentioned states feel- but what they're proposing is a complete affront to what Vermont is about, and I am appalled.
What kind of creep are you to so frivolously support the invasion and takeover of a whole state by libertarians? Never mind that it's an unreasonable fantasy- it's an _obscene_ fantasy and deserves to encounter the most extreme, dedicated resistance.
I guarantee that if they pick Vermont and try to act on these plans their world will become a nightmare of 'conspiring looters' balking their every move. That's a promise- I know that I personally will happily tolerate libertarians in small harmless numbers, but an invasion force of twenty thousand? That calls for coordinated, determined resistance at every level and to every extent.
You're a _fool_ to be all misty-eyed over this- or a fascist. Go find some land that isn't being lived on.