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The Free State Project
Psychic Burrito writes "From their website: The Free State Project is a plan in which 20,000 or more liberty-oriented people will move to a single state of the U.S. to secure there a free society. We will accomplish this by first reforming state law, opting out of federal mandates, and finally negotiating directly with the federal government for appropriate political autonomy." Perhaps they should also read Everything: Kansas. I think Don Marti was also the one who thought the geeks should do this by moving en masse to North Dakota.
I think Don Marti was also the one who thought the geeks should do this by moving en masse to North Dakota.
I thought that was intended as more of a refugee camp type of thing.
I hope it works, but it would take a lot of dedication on their part. I would consider moving to the selected state after the plan is already underway. We can have a Quebec in the US!
Slashdotter are stupid and biased.
If they're really going to do this, please move to an island and do it. Better yet, do it in New York or Mass.
I remember reading about a series of events during the middle part of the 19th century that leads me to believe the federal government might not let this happen.
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The South tried this once already gang. Didn't work. The Imperialists will come after you with guns and say "stop that" just like they did back then.
Obviously, the town they should target is Freedom, OK
And it is right near Protection, KS.
Which just goes to show, you can have either Freedom or Protection, but not both.
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...ship'em all out to the Antarctica and rename it the "Land of the Frees".
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These people haven't even kicked the Y2k problem yet. Just look at the lower left corner of their homepage:
"This page was updated on December 13, 1901"
"I think Don Marti was also the one who thought the geeks should do this by moving en masse to North Dakota."
When we get there we will rename it to GNU/North Dakota.
Quebec.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
"The Free State Project (http://www.freestateproject.com/) calls for 20,000 libertarians and fellow-travelers to move to a single state of the U.S. to create a free society there through the electoral process."
So, I guess the libertarians are fed up with not winning elections. I wonder where the hell they are going to find 20,000 voting libertarians?
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First read the story of how the residents of the Florida Keys did this in 1982, and created the Conch Republic!
That's a much nicer place to secede from the union.
:-)
They'll never take our freedom....
:)
But they'll sure as hell take our bandwidth.
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Vermont, that little liberal bastion of the North, may be a good choice.
Here are a few reasons:
1 Small Population (about half a million), so a group of dedicated citizens can have an effect.
2 Open minded politics already exist. For example, Vermont recognizes Civil Unions between homosexual couples and the state uses an inovative and effecitve plan buy perscription drugs at reduced cost (also known as Canada).
3 Enviromentally friendly state.
4 Large producer of high quality pot.
Of course, Vermont is currently doing quite well, some othere states could use this groups efforts quite a bit more.
Thinking is good, I think.
Also know as Puerto Rico. I would consider moving there rather than some desolate wasteland. Besides, learning to code in spanish may prove interesting.
ent main( ent argc, car argv[] )
{
impresionf( "Hola el Mundo!" );
regresa NUL;
}
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Ted Knight was right when he said "The world needs ditch diggers too." There will be a ton of other smart guys out there.
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And let's not forget what happens when you have too many geeks moving to one place and intermarrying
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Their free state seems to have been slashdotted. Shortest regime ever.
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I guess they'll have a tough time getting around their free state without roads. Maybe they could have toll roads, but it could be difficult to find something to barter with the toll road operator for passage...
But then, they probably all own Hummers fully equipped for the eminent takeover by UN
I think that whatever state is chosen is in danger. If geeks flood the state and take over, won't they die out in 30-50 years? I mean, most geeks don't get any- much less procreate.
They stuck me in an institution, said it was the only solution, to...protect me from the enemy, myself
If they legalize gambling, prostitution, pot, and xbox mods...
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From the FAQ... (my deletes are [...]
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Q. What states are you considering, and on what criteria?
A. [...]The following states are under consideration: [...] North Dakota, South Dakota, [...] Montana, [...] Idaho, [...]
Other important criteria include: 1) coastal access [...]
www.christopherlewis.com
They only need 5,000 to make a location choice.
Let's use the power of Slashdotting to their advantage. Everyone sign up, so we can vote, and let's see how far we can send these boneheads packing.
Camel Pilot said: "Lets say the state of question is North Dakota. From whom would they need protection from? Saskatchewan - the war mongers that they are."
Oh, but Camel Pilot, the reason all the nasty terrorists hate us is because we're free. Not because of our involvement in their conflicts, not because of various complicated economic and socio-political reasons... no, no. Because we're free! A free state would be the PRIMARY target for terrorarism!
Why not take over a Canadian state, then make it part of the US? Seriously, with an army of ~20,000 a group could easily annex part of Canada.
One future, two choices. Oppose them or let them destroy us.
If at first you don't secede
"Which State?"
Assuming they are looking for someplace with a low population I checked the census listings. Wyoming is the lowest at 479,602. (1999 estimated)
Much more interesting is the second lowest listing which is...
(Drum roll please...)
District of Columbia at 519,000! (1999 estimated)
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- - You can't take something off the Internet! That's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
Because everyone would be dead? ;)
XML causes global warming.
Something tells me John Ashcroft is behind the whole plan.
"So we can take 20,000 of the most free thinking individuals in this country and put them all in one place?"
(tents hands and smiles wryly)
"Excellent."
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball(TM)
Or they'd just be too fucked to care, or shoot straight
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
"Oooh a sarcasm detector! Now that's a useful invention!"
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
But if we had very small shell scripts and ROBOTS....
There's probably nothing better for increasing voter turnout than having a bunch of whacko anarchist carpetbaggers move to your state and try to take over.
Except of course, it hasn't worked in Quebec, no matter how close they got, so I'll be willing to bet it won't work in PEI.
Besides, most of the "laws" these whiners are complaining about are FEDERAL laws in Canada (yes, we have ONE Criminal Code for the whole country!)so taking over any province wouldn't do them much good. They would have to take over the whole country.
And despite what you may have heard, or what our dim-witted right-wing will have you beleive, there are still lots of Canadians with plenty of (fully legal and registered) hunting rifles that won't let 20 000 Americans do anything in our country, let alone take it over (or one of the provinces).
Most of us like Canada the way it is, thank you very much.
BTW, Do ya think G. Dubya would let them take over North Dakota either? (ND has Nukes and SAC Air Wings...separation would make them a Terrorist state!!!!))
Whew...I feel better now...
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This just in: it appears that Oobleck has reached the finals in Solo Mental Gymnastics--Freestyle Event. Starting with "Wouldn't it be nice if my neighbors shared my views on important political issues, and we all voted", this incredible athlete vaulted an amazing distance, to land squarely in "we're a compound-living, arms-stockpiling, demagogue-worshipping cult, based on the teachings of a madman, and eligible for government antiterroist action".
This unbelievable leap, executed without any intermediate steps, has broken world records, and is virtually guaranteed to win Oobleck the gold this year. The sheer audacity of the maneuver is sure to win the hearts of many moderators here today. Let's wish this great athlete the best of luck.
Good luck to you, Oobleck!
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We don't have as many nukes as we use to. At one point the saying was that if N.D. succeeded from the rest of the US, we'd be the 3rd largest nuclear power after the US and the USSR.
:P
We need that kind of big stick - think about it... Unabombers and nutjobs to the west in Montana, 20 million bloodthirsty Canadians to the north, a state run by a pro wrestler to the east, and South Dakota to the south! (nothing need be said about them).
This is a dangerous part of the world..maybe those guys should look at something safer - like the middle east
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I think that the key is that they can't do those things AND drink until they're 21. As an aside, don't you think that the Bureau of Alchohol, Tobacco, and Firearms must have the best office parties?
Carthago delenda est!
Ah, glad I'm in Europe. You can legally get beer and stuff when you're 16, and hard booze when you're 18. And drive when you're 18.
Other thoughts: I read somewhere than Americans are amazed by the amount of sex on German TV, even daytime. Showing naked people, or printing pictures of them, is perfectly OK in all kinds of situations. As is saying the word 'fuck' and others.
I saw a German/French music show that always presents various unknown bands, and one member of a US band accidentally said something like 'all this shit... ooops, oh well, you can cut that out'. The interviewer said 'nah, it's all right'. 'really, we can swear? Oh fucking shit damn cunt dick, this is fun!'
Good thing I never drank and joined the army... sheesh that would be regrettable.
Canadian provinces can secede ... consider, say, Prince Edward Island, with a population of 138,000 spread over 5,600 square kilometers. That's a plausible province for this scheme. 20,000 determined people really could take it over.
... would you want a bunch of gun totin', right-wing Americans in your province messing up your nice, socialized medicine and sparkling clean streets? Neither would they, and since the right-wingers don't have any distinguishing marks, that probably rules out all of us who'd like to emigrate north.
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Here I was looking at the real feasability of moving to Canada (BC) and/or at least having a summer home there to run to if things get really ugly here in the United People's States of America, and now you go suggesting a thing like this.
There's no way in hell they'll let any of us in now
Nice going
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That's what I thought. When I joined it was 21 in almost every state (Iowa and maybe another were 18 still, I think), so it was 21 on base almost everywhere. I didn't get deployed out of the country till I was 21 so I never gave any thought about it. I do know that we didn't have anything stronger than Kool-Aid in Saudi. As one guy there said, "silly bathrobe guys don't even allow beer! BEER!"
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