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Symbian Signs on Samsung
mmol_6453 writes "In a move that beat Orange's showing off the first Microsoft-based smartphone by a day, Symbian has signed on Samsung. Quoth the article: 'Symbian now licenses its smartphone software to all five top mobile makers, and its OS has beaten both Palm and Microsoft in the European handheld device market'"
$h1t, I guess I made sceond post instead. Damn Hinduists!
Thought I'd mention that Samsung is presently the electronics company I'm the happiest with...
I've got a few dozen Samsung monitors, LCD and CRT, all of which are great.. A Samsung cellphone which is also great, in addition to a couple low-end laser printers and a dvd player.
So far as I'm concerned, they're doing great in the 'decent, yet value-priced' category. Anyone disagree?
So MS's smartphone can play chess... does this me Symbian's can play Go? :)
Am I the only one that thought that said Sybian?
A Sybian in a cell phone? Now that just might be a good idea. Of course, if you thought women talking on cellphones driving their 2 ton SUVs were bad enough, imagine that chaos if they were being pleasured by the sybian AND talking on the phone AND driving...
Now my smartphone will be able to respond to those late night tech support calls. It will give detailed instructions on HOWTO: Reboot, take 2 asprin and call me in the morning.
Speech: Free
Beer: $699.00
I work for Samsung Electronics Company (Display Division R & D), and I'm happy to part of things. Thanks for the positive feedback. I'm sure SEC hopes for more of the same as new products come online.
I had a samsung phone. Never again will I buy samsung. The SCH-850 was a piece of crap. After a few weeks of using it, it would die. Not the battery, or screen. That would all work fine. It would show full signal strength, but would never connect to the network. I could not call, nor be called. I exchanged 3 times, all 4 phones did the same thing. I bought an LD-150, and the UI sux, but I can still call.
Micro.
"Handheld Device".
Palm.
Soft.
Symbian.
Why don't we all just cut to the chase and call them what they are?
Expensive vibrators.
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I wish I could say that Sharp Zaurus running embedix Linux is a good match, but in fact it isn't. Not only it crashed on me once, and required cold reboot, but the boundaries of the filesystem and memory are also fixed; this means that if you want more application memory (to play Freeciv for instance) you have to create a swap file (!?!).
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There's a lot of cool stuff coming out for Symbian these day(I know, it's all in theory and testing). Symbian makes things jive just a little bit better. People are now using symbian in respect to bluetooth (switchme). Its something that definitely makes sense and will hopefully get bluetooth off the ground. Hopfully more developers will work to make the killer app.
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Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
But Symbian itself is coming from a consortium formed by the major cellphone makers. It suits them that they have all the phones running with their OSs. If this becomes a standard, then what do we have? Another microsoft, though this time it owns everything from infrastructure to your little phone. Doesnt look too good to me in the long term.
Is there a Linux powered cellphone anywhere in use? Apart from PDA/cellphone combos, that is...
"Do something man. Right now."
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!
If you can find a way to guarantee #1, #3 will happen automatically. In my case, s/Profit/Happy gf, doting, her hero, can do no wrong/
.. and they use Perforce. :-) And Perforce offers an Open Source license to any project that develops Open Source. They're also much more reasonable then a certain somebody.
> its OS has beaten both Palm and Microsoft in the
> European handheld device market'"
Conveniently you left out Linux - wasn't open source the salvation for handheld vendors?
Imagine a Beowolf cluster of Sybians!!
In a space that Microsoft doesn't own, it's going to come down to 3rd party apps and overall product value, combined with whoever's the best phone. Being a pda/phone combo is nice and all, but if your phone sucks, no one will use it long enough to get enjoyment out of the fact that it can do wireless http browsing and IMAP4.
Battery life will also be a big issue, I think, although I don't know how big. The HTC Canary does fairly well in standby mode, since it shuts off its power-sucking color screen. Not sure about the Symbian OEMs - I've only played with the Microsoft product.
Now THAT I'd pay to see!
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
That wasn't funny.
I want my money back.
Exactly. So if you only need to write two letters you can get back to the betterness of on. On the otherhand the extra 'f' saves you approximately 0.2 of a very boring second.
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Oh, and have you heard about those new Sybian phones for the male audience? They suck.
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We had one in for dev purposes for this event and it is seriously awesome. Pop a chip in it and its good to go in the US.
We do a lot of wireless development and this is the best I have seen by far. The screen is incredible, the form factor comfortable and the functionality is good. The UI is slightly unintuitive at times but since its CE based its fairly easy to extend and develop for. Pop a ram card in and your good to go.
I AGREE WITH THIS POST!
I'm not poo pooing their success, hey, I've developed drivers for symbian devices, it pays the bills but for f-ks sake; if you are developing an embedded device and want efficient use of memory and battery, PLEASE consider small OSes like VxWorks or Nucleus. /me ducks...
This is what happens when you trust a bunch of English high level application developers write an OS... they drink beer and throw C++ bloat and undergraduate operating system classes at the problem. j/k
I kid because I love you guys...
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www.tmobile.com - check their product pages (couldnt seem to find a working direct link).
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They offer a Pocket PC based cell phone that I have been looking into (bestbuy has a fake display model behind the counter, but thats it). Is this what Microsoft is suposed to be anouncing tomorrow, or is this different?
Id hate to leave palm for a pocket pc phone, but im sick of having a phone that feels lacking and a pda. I love my Palm tho, but Id like to do a bit more some times
I guess I have hope that I could put linux on the phone, but the phone would still have to work!
The ultimate network admin tool needs HELP!
Kind of funny...Samsung isn't really a name you normally hear pimped as "really excellent", but I've had good experiences with their monitors, which are cheap and have better reliability than the Viewsonics that I also use (which tend to get unhappy when you put them in unpleasantly hot rooms). Just bought another Samsung monitor last month.
May we never see th
Anytime there's a story regarding Symbian in the head line, I ALWAYS misread it as sybian. I guess thats just my perveted little mind...
Even if I say something insightfull or inteligent, it doens't matter cause I'm an ass.
For years, we've all been sitting around waiting for something that was powerful, flexible, stable, clean looking, customisation, upgradable and fast.
Palm have been lagging behind for so long it's untrue, OS 5 which was supposed to be the next greatest thing is starting to look a bit of a flop. It's faster, but thats about it. Oh yes and all the apps run on a compatibility layer.
Microsofts effort is packed with features, but confusing UI, unstable platform, a blatent memory hog and doesn't support the XScale speeeds.
So there is a prime chance here for a Symbian licencee (and even Apple) to walk in, produce a desirable PDA with all the features above and literally clean up.
Mind you, Jobs has stated that he thinks PDA's are "junk" and the Symbian licencees seem to be going down the Phone/PDA combo so I'll just have to live in hope really.
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She's faking it.
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and its OS [Symbian] has beaten both Palm and Microsoft in the European handheld device market
Now *I* had a Symbian phone, but that statement is utter garbage! Quite simply they are lying to deceive the public.
Palm OS is the market leader in Europe by a long long way. Pocket PC also has a *much* larger takeup than Symbian devices.
This is blatant misrepresentation of something that sounds like it *could* be true, but because it's in Europe most Americans might be persuaded.
I think they have the audacity to claim that it's 'beaten both palm and Microsoft' because a large number of phone manufacturors have signed up to use Symbian, but there is no way that can realistically be labeld has having 'beaten' Palm. At it's most fanciful it could be construed as 'will beat Palm', but if you've ever used it, there is no way in hell it could compete with Palm OS 4, let alone Palm OS 5.
From what I've seen of it (having owned a Symbian based smart phone), Symbian is more about hype than an attempt to create a real mobile operating system that will expand and scale. Even the shortly marginalised Palm OS 4 (which has been/will be effectively marginalised by Palm OS 5) has better scope for expandability than Symbian!
of arse. Is there NO subject that the some slashdot reader can't drag over to being about Microsoft? Just shut your cakehole, will you?
Samsung is NOT just licensing the raw Symbian OS, they are actually getting Nokia's Series60 platform (the same one Siemens licensed a while ago) which is based on Symbian OS but includes many improvements and fixes, not to mention a far superior Java/MIDP implementation. Series60 includes also the whole UI, SOS just comes with a very crude reference implementation.
Samsung just has to license the SOS separately because of complicated contracts between Nokia and Symbian.
It's surprising you can find your computer's ON switch. Good job.
I wish I could have a pocket-sized handheld computer with full cell support and good bluetooth support. I'd then want a bluetooth supporting version of a hard drive MP3 player to use for a storage device. I also want an ear-clip wireless (bluetooth) headset that connects via the handheld computer, so I can use the computer as a computer while talking on the headset without wires.
You listening Psion?
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Symbian is a decent OS, but it's not exactly the easist to program to. Psion EPOC was better (Symbian is EPOC taken and consortium-ized). PalmOS is a bit of a pain to program on but at least the usability of the programs is consistent and nice. PocketPC is windows programming with a Unicode bent (good choice for internationalization, pain for porting). And don't forget good old Linux and its embedded variants - programming my Zaurus is a joy.
As to Symbian owning the market? I think the market might disagree with that...
I guess that could become a cluster fuck if one was really lucky...
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Symbian Signs on Samsung
"Symbian licenses smartphone software; cellphone suppliers surprised, said sales should skyrocket soon. Serious OS supercedes speed of several software rivals. 'Samsung steps smartly into cell software space,' Cingular spokesperson said. 'Symbian's Samsung sign-on sounds significant: This step should assuage naysayers' concerns; cellphone sales will stop slipping and instead surge successfuly to secure top spot in software sales.'
Meanwhile, Motorola and Microsoft made no immediate comment."
Galaphine
"Nokia's numbers are made up of the huge quantities of 32**, 33**, 62** etc. phones which run a Nokia OS. There is no one to one correspondance between Nokia phones and Symbian powered devices."
No. If sales of 32*, 33*, 62* and the like were included, Nokias sales-figures would be in the millions! Last year Nokia sold 128 million cell-phones, that's more than sales of ALL PDA's all around the world! Or do you claim that Palms and PocketPC's outsold Nokias 3000-series and 6000-series??? HAH!
That statisics is about PDA's and the like. That means that in case of Nokia, it's the sales of 9210 and 7650.
Here's an euro, go buy yourself a clue.
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I followed the link, and no they don't. Perforce offers a binary only licence that terminates after 1 year to individuals working on Open Source projects. The license can be renewed at Perforce's discretion. Perforce doesn't give you an Open Source licence to their product, because there is no source, and there is a termination clause.
Although I like Perforce, I wouldn't base an Open Source project on it based on this kind of licence. No source, so you can't customize it. If Perforce goes away, or the management team changes their strategy, then you are screwed.
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Oh man did I read that wrong.
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