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Burn A Song For 99 Cents

tusixoh writes "CNN is running an article about an online music company, Listen.com, who has signed deals with Warner Music Group and Universal Music Group allowing users to burn songs from both companies' catalogs (more than 75,000 available tracks) on Listen's Rhapsody music subscription service for 99 cents per track. Until now, Rhapsody had primarily offered only streamed music to subscribers from all of the world's largest record labels as well as several independent labels." The upside of this, of course, is that it won't be necessary to pay for songs that are just "album filler".

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  1. Windows only, 10 songs/month only by cweber · · Score: 5, Informative


    I have two problems with this new service:
    Their client, Rhapsody, is Windows only, and you can only burn
    10 songs per month. Nice try, but lame.

    1. Re:Windows only, 10 songs/month only by divesnob · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is the old model. WHen you download v. 2.0 next Monday it'll allow you to burn more. Read the article.

  2. Re:Neat. by Camulus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, there is something that pretty much does. eMusic has a massive list of music you can grab. They don't have all of the major artists on tap, but they have a lot of good music there from small/indie artists. 10$ or 15$ a month for unlimited completely legal mp3's (and no I don't work for them, just happy with the service). I have been using it for about 2 months now and it has worked great for me. I have downloaded around 10 gigs of mp3's so far and have listened to a lot of music I doubt I would have heard otherwise.

  3. EMusic has done this for years by linuxbaby · · Score: 5, Informative

    EMusic, for that same price, lets you download fully unlocked standard MP3 files.

    $9.95 a month gets you unlimited downloads - not an additional 99 cents per song. You can burn 'em and do anything you want with 'em.

    Emusic a very underrated site, now that their big-advertising VC stuff has gone. Really wonderful. (NO I'm not affiliated.)

    1. Re:EMusic has done this for years by bo-eric · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, emusic would be really wonderful if they started using a decent encoder. Right now they use lame 3.88 @ 128 kbit/s, which sounds terrible in headphones. Luckily they give you a free trial period so that you can see for yourself if it disturbs you or not.

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    2. Re:EMusic has done this for years by GullCity · · Score: 2, Informative

      Over the past two days Emusic has been terminating the accounts of subscribers with the gall to use unauthorized download managers. This may not be a company you want to have a long term relationship with.

  4. Re:Before you jump in... by sweetooth · · Score: 3, Informative

    I believe that thier 10 tracks a month is only refering to their subscription service which is $9.95 a month. This new service would be pay as you go $0.99 per track. Also if you dig a bit deeper on thier site you'll find it's not even available yet.

  5. I'm late, but... concerning quality by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to their website, these guys are distributing music from .MP3 format -- they use lossy compression, which devastates the quality of the audio.

    If you want to see how bad the loss is, load up CoolEdit or Audacity and view your mp3s under "Spectrum View" with a range up to 22050 -- I promise that just everything above 16000 will be missing and black, though the original CD audio will have all that quality intact. It's what gives MP3s their "flat" sound on any decent equipment.

    I know CDNow uses the original data for their custom CDs, so just buy it from them.

  6. Burn? Not exactly. by Eric+Seppanen · · Score: 5, Informative
    The article title "Burn A Song For 99 Cents" is misleading. They're offering the same crap we've seen before; encrypted DRM-laden tracks that you can't use anywhere but your machine, without their approval. Check out their FAQ:
    9. Can I burn CDs?
    Yes. If you subscribe to any catalog that offers CD burning, you can burn up to 10 tracks a month.
    10 tracks per month? That's not even one whole CD! Give me a break. And it's pretty obvious that not all of their "catalogs" will allow burning. This is a perversion of fair use: "oh, you want to take it with you? Well, that'll cost you another $___".

    I will never pay a single dime for crippled formats.

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  7. 10 song per month CD burning limit by systemapex · · Score: 5, Informative

    Read the FAQs. This is horrible. You can't even burn one average-sized album onto a CD. Not to mention the proprietary CD burning component isn't available yet.

  8. Microsoft doesn't want another black eye. by yerricde · · Score: 3, Informative

    if and when Palladium and trusted security prevents the average non-techie home Windows user from burning his or her own CDs

    And that's a big if, to which the answer is "probably not." Microsoft has repeatedly stated that Palladium will not interfere with any applications that don't know anything about Palladium, such as CDex or CDRDAO. The only way your scenario will play out is if a future version of Windows places CD audio extraction and recording into a Palladium vault, which I don't see as likely to happen given the big stink that users raised about CD writing software not working with Windows XP. Microsoft doesn't want another black eye.

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  9. Re:Burn? Not exactly. by bmarklein · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wrong!

    There's no information on Listen's site about Rhapsody 2.0, which will feature burning. The FAQ you list applies to their current service, specifically the Naxos Classical subscription.

    The new service will have no DRM, and you will be able to buy as many tracks as you want at 99 cents each. The interesting thing is that they are going to stream PCM audio directly to the burner. So, DRM won't be the issue, buffer underruns will be when their streaming servers can't keep up with your CD player!

  10. Re:Oh my god..tears in my eyes. by geekee · · Score: 1, Informative

    Maybe they'll apologize on the day the former Napster founders apologize for developing a company devoted to accomodating copyright infringement. Or maybe when they get a signed apology from the top 10000 p2p music pirates, they'll apologize to Apple. Give me a break. People keep saying they'll stop trading illegal copies when they have the option to pay for them online. Now that the day has come, they're making up stupid excuses to continue not paying.

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  11. Let's clear up some misconceptions by maleficentgruel · · Score: 5, Informative
    Hey guys, I work for Listen.com and am the main technical producer of Rhapsody. It's great to see such heated discussion and there are a lot of great points here. However, I gotta point out some misconceptions:

    1) the FAQ is OLD. We're launching on Monday with what we call "a la carte" CD burning. This means you can burn as many CDs as you want. No monthly restrictions, no restrictions at all.

    2) The audio format on the CD is regular redbook audio. No DRMs, no restrictions. They're yours after you pay the $.99

    3) If you want to check out Rhapsody without paying, just register and download it if you want to see the artist list. You can listen to 30 second clips and a selection of radio stations without paying us.

    (remember that this is not released yet. wait 'til next week. ok, back to QA...gotta burn me some CDs ;)

  12. Re:Oh my god..tears in my eyes. by iSwitched · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uh...

    If you read the fine print, only WINDOWS users are allowed the priviledge of paying for Listen.com's 'service', so the 'day has come' for them I guess (any Windows users want to comment). Fact is, I don't download copywritten material I don't already own, but even if I wanted to buy Listen.com's music, I can't.

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  13. Re:Slashdot Better Like This by fliplap · · Score: 3, Informative

    While I don't think this is a good idea (CDs are over priced, and they CD Burning option isn't even available yet on this site) I do think they're heading in the right direction.

    Take into consideration that most people pay a flat rate for thier bandwidth and don't use all of thier available bandwidth every month. Also, they are also paying for bandwidth.

    Also consider that you don't have to pay for gas to goto the record store, and with blank CDs going gor about 30 cents now, there's the money you would have spent in gas. And you don't even have to leave the house! Nor do you have to wait for the CD to be delivered.

    I could see this idea working if they got rid of all the DRM crap and let people download plain old high quality MP3s.

  14. Re:EMusic has done this for years (at 128kbps...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I like the concept of EMusic a lot - in fact, I was very tempted, until I noticed they only provide 128kbps MP3s.
    Maybe I'm being pedantic (maybe I'm just lucky to have good ears), but 128k mp3 is _not_ "CD Quality". In fact, sometimes its not even listenable (to me - if I really want to hear something, I want to hear all of it, properly - not "most of it under 17khz, and an aliased mush on the top")

    So its OK as a 'preview' service, but you're still going to have to fork out for a CD if you want quality versions of the music you like - and I think thats the way EMusic intended it.

  15. Creepy Terms of Use by Tremblay99 · · Score: 2, Informative
    3. UPGRADES

    You acknowledge that Listen may issue upgraded versions ... from time to time, and may automatically electronically upgrade the version of the Application that you are using on your computer. You consent to such automatic upgrading, and agree that this Agreement (as amended from time to time) will govern all such upgraded versions.

    In effect, you agree at the time of initial installation of the software to all future installations of software from them. You are also bound to any and all future EULAs by agreeing to the first one, as borne out by:

    13. Modification

    Listen may modify this Agreement at any time in our sole discretion. A change of terms notice will be posted at the top of this Agreement located at [URL nuked], and we may also notify you by email in some instances.

    Nice. They automatcially update your EULA, but reserve the right to not directly inform you about it -- it's up to you to periodically check in.

    They might be getting some of the content distribution stuff right, but they're lousy on customer service ... and rights.

  16. Re:Beat-matching in kiosks; DVD format-shifting by willfe · · Score: 3, Informative
    I've yet to see a DVD fully take advantage of the features available with DVD, though.

    Hehehe, you must not watch much DVD pornography, then :) It's been said time and again -- porn always seems to drive technology. Lots of adult DVDs these days have multiple camera angles. Sometimes they do a crap job (i.e. to keep one "angle" you have to switch angles around as each stream has edits in them where they switch to different cameras), but sometimes they do pretty well with it.

    I don't know if I'd want a pornography director to bother with multilingual audio and subtitling, though. Pornography with 5.1 audio? "Man, oh, man, it sounds like she's right there in your living room, er, moaning and stuff!"

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  17. 99 cents... plus $9.95 a month by IsoRashi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Uhh, did everyone miss the fact that there's an additional charge of $9.95 for every month? 10 tracks for just under $10 doesn't sound so bad, but it actually costs me at least $19.85 for those 10 tracks. It costs me more than that, actually, if I don't find those 10 tracks I like within a single month. So this is just like Pressplay, where you have to subscribe to their service (which lets you listen to the music) before they will even sell you anything.

    Methinks this is crap. 99 cents sounded good until I read about the required subscription.

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  18. Still not good enough. by the+endless · · Score: 3, Informative

    This still isn't good enough. Why? Oh, god, let me count the ways.

    1. Track length. I seem to be paying the same per track if I'm downloading Tori Amos's Boys For Pele album (18 tracks between 1:07 and 6:07 long) or Godspeed You Black Emperor's Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennae To Heaven (4 tracks averaging 22 minutes each, spread over 2 CDs). Personally, I'd happily spend a few quid for the twenty-odd-minute epic Storm, but I can't see how they can expect more than a small stack of pennies for the one-minute-seven Mr Zebra (even though it is a pretty good one-minute-seven). Disclaimer: GYBE! are not going to be on this roster. No, really. I don't even have to *look* to be sure of this... leading me neatly on to...
    2. Choice. Sorry, but I'm not really interested in this nice long list of major-label artists. There's only about eight major-label artists I pay any attention to (R.E.M., Radiohead, PJ Harvey et al). Everything else I listen to is independent label artists (Jennifer Terran, You're Pretty, Beth Thornley, Vienna Teng, etc etc etc). I wouldn't be interested until artists like these are on the roster... but hey, hang on, these artists are already offering some of their songs for free download anyway! And I've bought their albums on the strength of those free MP3s!
    3. Money. Where's the money going? To the artists? Really? Hang on a moment, my sides are splitting with laughter. When I buy CDs from CDBaby, I know that a good chunk of my money is going to the artists. When I buy CDs direct from the artist, I know that a good chunk of my money is going into their pockets. When I see bands live (tomorrow is The Rock Of Travolta, can't wait!), I know a good chunk of my money is going into their pockets. The RIAA can carp on and on about how we're ripping off artists, but we all know who the real rip-off merchants are.
    4. Availability. It's too easy to complain about the fact that I couldn't be interested in this shit even if I wanted to be, due to the service being "available to U.S. residents only". Oh well, better stick to my life of crime by not paying the RIAA-tax.

    In conclusion, I'm sticking with the indies. Go, baby, go!

  19. And for People Living Outside the USA? by SailorBob · · Score: 2, Informative

    12. Is Rhapsody available outside the U.S.? Due to licensing restrictions, Rhapsody's on-demand music subscription service is available to U.S. residents only. However, anyone, regardless of his or her geographic location, can take advantage of our free radio stations, which feature professionally programmed stations. We are working on expanding our subscription service outside of the U.S. in the future.

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