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Galileo's Flyby of Almathea

An anonymous reader writes "The spectacular Galileo flybys of Jupiter, Europa and Io are largely credited with the discovery of frozen water ice and some of the earliest examples of non-solar (tidal) heating anywhere in our solar system. For the next 10 days, Galileo scientists are preparing for their next target: probing one of Jupiter's moons, Almathea, at the close-up range of 100 miles. Almathea is one of the most unusual moons in the solar system, because it gives off more heat than it receives from the Sun."

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  1. Nice rendered pictures by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of us who aren't very much at home in astronomy and it's terms and who just want to see (relatively) pretty pictures; Celestia also has Almathea available for your viewing pleasure, along with allot of different stuff in our solar system and even beyond there. Besides, it's a pretty proggy... :)

  2. Re:frozen water ice? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Informative

    The point is that 'ice' can be made from all sorts of liquids - water is just one of them.

  3. Re:frozen water ice? by Blackneto · · Score: 1, Informative

    But all ice is in a frozen state no matter what it's made out of. I just thing he was pointing out the redundancy of saying "Frozen Ice"

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  4. Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... by FortKnox · · Score: 4, Informative

    To continue your rant philosophically...

    We are ignorant when it comes to life. What exactly is life? We only know what life is within our world.
    Astronomers get excited at the fact that we can find water on Mars and Europa, meaning they could have life, because our knowledge of life involves water. But, as far as we know, there could be life on the moon, we just aren't looking for it correctly.
    If (or when, depending on your philosophy) we find extraterrestrial life, it will be when we aren't looking for it, IMHO.

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  5. AmaLthea, not ALmathea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hell, has nobody noticed that the real name is Amalthea?
    Where are your classics!?
    She was the goat that nurtured baby Zeus = Jupiter!

  6. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by verag · · Score: 5, Informative
    The planet itself does this as well... "...Jupiter radiates nearly twice as much heat as it receives from the Sun." Found here

    Jupiter is by far the most interesting planet (with it's moons) to me, other than the Earth. More information as well as pictures can be found on NASA's site for the planet itself.

  7. Amalthea by Blackneto · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Correct spelling is Amalthea.
    It says so on the JPL's website.
    Also Amalthea was a nymph that nursed Jupiter in mythology. This fits in with the naming of the other moons.
    It looks like it was only misspelled once on the astrobio site which may be the cause of the confusion.

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  8. Re:Almathea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    s/Io/Europa/

  9. Re:Almathea? by JimPooley · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought the quote was "All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landings there" after Jupiter ignited to melt the ice...

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  10. Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by Big+Mark · · Score: 5, Informative

    Jupiter is so heavy that it's inner reigions are incredibly hot - some think it's actually a star that just wasn't big enough to have it's own mass crush it's innards to the point where nuclear fusion occurs and the star is born. It's big enough, though, that the innards are squished to to superheat. It's this heat from the inside that makes Jupiter warm up.

    The moon's heating is accounted for by tidal forces - Jupiter is just so flippin' MASSIVE that it's gravity stretches and squeezes the moon, and these tidal forces make it heat up.

    The surface of Amalthea (sp.?) will be interesting to look at. I think it will have pronounced cracks on the surface where aeons of tidal forces have had their way.

    1. Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by LMCBoy · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's this heat from the inside that makes Jupiter warm up.

      This parses to "Jupiter is hot because it is hot."

      You're correct that Jupiter's core is not hot enough for nuclear reactions (core temperature is about 20,000 K).

      Just to clarify, Jupiter gives off more heat than it receives because it is still collapsing! Sounds incredible, but the "heavier" elements are still slowly settling out toward its core. As they do, they release gravitational potential energy in the form of heat. This settling process must be incredibly slow, since it's presumably been happening steadily for the past 4.6 Gyr; the fact that it still produces a significant amount of heat demonstrates how damn BIG Jupiter is.

      See SEDS.org for more information (about halfway down the page, right after the section on the Great Red Spot).

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    2. Re:Jupiter's mass is the cause of the heating by at_18 · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...some think it's actually a star that just wasn't big enough to have it's own mass crush it's innards to the point where nuclear fusion occurs and the star is born

      For nuclear fusion to start you need about 80 times the mass of Jupiter. (and that would be a really really tiny star. Our one is about 1000 times jupiter, and it's only average).

  11. Re:Monolith? by khendron · · Score: 3, Informative

    No no no. Clarke envisioned Amalthea (a.k.a Jupiter V) as great big a spaceship, used by an extinct alien race to move to our solar system. See here.

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  12. It's *Amalthea* by notfancy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry to pick nits, but the name is Amalthea (ah-mal-THEH-ah), it means "the Goddess Amal" (IIRC a Babylonian name for Astarte, the Moon goddess). She was the goat that nursed Jupiter (Zeus, actually) in Mount Ida, and whose horn the baby god pulled with his mighty force while playing with her. That horn is called the Cornucopia, or the Horn of Plenty, after Jupiter, ashamed at his own clumsiness, bestowed that gift on the goat as an apology.

  13. Re:More than just little green men. by Da+Fokka · · Score: 2, Informative

    The fact that it radiates more heat than it receives implies that there's some kind of heat source within the planet, something like a metal core not unlike earth's.

    When we're capable of artificially introducing something like that into a planet most likely, we're capable of building our own (planets, that is ;).

  14. Spacecraft dimensions by teridon · · Score: 4, Informative
    From the article:

    Dimensions: The length of the spacecraft is 9 m and, with the high-gain antenna (HGA) deployed, is 4.6 m in diameter.

    Ha! That's great! Except that the high-gain antenna failed to deploy. Fortunately, with some spacecraft reprogramming, Galileo will still acheive about 70% of its original science goals using the low-gain antenna.

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  15. Re:frozen water ice? by comic-not · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, ices can exist in the crystalline or amorphous phase. E.g. the water ice inside cometary nuclei is in amorphous form, and one can argue that it is technically not frozen, because it has originally been built from such tiny particles that there hasn't been a meaningful macrostate (BTW, did you ever create amorphous sulphur in the chemistry class?) to call it such. When amorphous ice is heated, it turns to the 'normal', crystalline phase, which more closely resembles our concept of 'frozen'. I don't know, however, whether the original poster tried to express this distinction.

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  16. Re:frozen water ice? by comic-not · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ever tasted dry ice cream? I thought not. Dry ice is carbon dioxide ice. In planetary physics, all volatile compounds in solid form are known as ices.

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  17. Re:For those looking for Earth like planets... by overunderunderdone · · Score: 5, Informative

    This really bugs me, when I see people say "life can't exist there, that planet is twice Earth's distance from its star..." and rubbish like that. Aarrgghh !

    If you are ranting about the "rare earth hypothesis" you should remember that the authors believe that life is MUCH more common than was previously believed. However they believe that advanced life and advanced civilizations are MUCH rarer than previously believed and do require conditions substantially similar to earths. Even you own post basically makes some of the same assumptions - you see the heat from this moon as promising because that heat is one of the prerequisites for life, the rare earth hypothesis adds additional prerequisites which must be present for *advanced* life. There are those that simply assume without thinking that life must evolve on a planet substantially similar to earth. The rare earth hypothesis arrived at pretty much the same conclusion through serious thought on the subject. They may be wrong (we simply don't have enough data) but their reasoning is sound and not based on simple prejudice or ignorance.

  18. Mr. Armchair Science butts in. by erik_fredricks · · Score: 5, Informative
    Almathea is one of the most unusual moons in the solar system, because it gives off more heat than it receives from the Sun."

    Actually, Triton (Neptune's largest) does, too, IIRC. All the gas giants do as well.

    In Amalthea's case (as well as Europa and Io), the moon is constantly being contracted and stretched by Jupiter's gravity, and those tidal forces generate heat in the moon's core. You can duplicate this effect by squeezing a piece of styrofoam in your hand and feeling it heat up.

    Of course, all the gas giants have internal heat sources due to the immense gravity in their highly contracted solid cores. Neptune gives off way more heat and light than it receives from the Sun.
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  19. New Horizons by Merk00 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The "Pluto Express" you mentioned is named New Horizons. And it's yet to be canceled. In fact, I sat in on a technical discussion of all its subsystems over the summer. It's still on track to launch sometime around 2007. However, Congress has yet to approve funding for New Horizons so its up in the air whether or not it'll actually fly. That said, development for the probe is still on going.

  20. Re:Leaves me feeling depressed... by cybrpnk2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    What depresses me is that for the Almathea flyby they've left the camera off to save the expense of the photo team salaries. About the only science that's gonna happen is measuring doppler shift change of the carrier signal from the probe as it gets close to the moon to refine its mass estimate. This is a real shame; Almathea has some kind of interesting chemistry going on that creates unusual bright red and green patches on its surface we have glimpsed only from afar 20 years ago with Voyager...

  21. A sneak peak at Almathea by mraymer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Celestia is a 3D space simulator much like OpenUniverse. It's avaible for both Windows and *nix OSes. In it, you can view all the planets, some moons, asteroids, and a fair number of stars. Here's a shot of Almathea. They release add-ons every now and then-- you can even download the recently discovered Quaoar!

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  22. Re:Gives out more heat that it recieves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    The "waves" are, due to the huge gravitation of Jupiter, so strong they pull solid matter and this of course cause quite a bit of friction.


    Guess what? The same thing happens on Earth. The solid earth has tides of about 7-14cm each day, caused mostly by the moon. It does cause some heat, but not much. By far the most important source of internal heat for the Earth is radioactive decay, followed by heat of fusion (solidifying core) and recrystallization, IIRC.

  23. Re:frozen water ice? by comic-not · · Score: 2, Informative

    "dry ice" is marketing term and has NOTHING to do with physics.

    Indeed, I tried to stay on the same colloquial level as the previous poster. But I happen to be a space scientist with a Ph.D. in physics, and my field of study is, surprisingly enough, comets. And when planetary scientists discuss these things, they say water ice, methane ice, CO2 ice, et.c., to make it clear what they are talking about, since, as I said, all volatiles in solid form are called ices.

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