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Cable Industry Taking Control of the Net

Tompaine.com has a piece warning of measures that cable internet providers are taking to control their users' experiences online. We've touched on this before, but this issue needs a lot of attention and it has gotten very little from the mainstream press.

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  1. Tiered Pricing by LordYUK · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you want to have tiered pricing, you better damn well ensure I get what I pay for. I would give up an extra 10-20 a month for BETTER service, not the SAME service. (I have AT&T broadband right now, and it serves my needs, I game and play around on KaZaA alot, and FTP stuff around between friends). But if I get the same service I get now, thats a Damn Rip Off (tm).

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  2. Tired of getting screwed by the cable industry? by DavidLeblond · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I guess its time to switch to DSL, so you can wait for the telecom industry to screw you.

    I'm starting to miss the small ISPs that couldn't screw you as bad because there were many more alternatives.

    Oh well... long live monopolies!

  3. Hollings SSSCA and Broadband caps by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It seems to me that the SSSCA and Cable Company bandwidth caps are not compatable. The SSSCA is supposed to 'promote Broadband' (not really); the cable companies are throwing on the caps, which will stifle movies, music, and other 'content' that will drive the adoption of more broadband.

    Hmm.

  4. Evidence? by Iainuki · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This article is long on rhetoric and short on evidence. I don't deny that its logic makes sense, but it hasn't provided any reason to make me believe it.

    I'll express an unpopular opinion here: ultimately, bandwidth will have to be metered. Bandwidth is a commodity (I think it was the commoditization of bandwidth that is the part of the reason for the telecom collapse) like water or electricity: cheap, but not infinite. The problem, of course, is that if bandwidth is allowed to be monopolized like electricity and telephone service are, prices will be increased far above their levels in a competitive environment. I would like to think the FCC and other government agencies would follow such a policy, but I have no real confidence in it.

  5. Re:This article is a load of FUD by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A friend in Sacramento had his AT&T cable modem service shut off repeatedly. He was at home all day, and listening to internet talk radio (most commonly his own show, just to see what was on). Apparantly a 24k stream from Live365 was enough to enforce a AUP shutdown... of course, he wasn't doing anything that was against the AUP, and he go them to turn it back on every time, but they would turn around and shut his account down again a week later.

    He moved to Texas, so there was no real resolution.

    I noticed the other day when I fired up Gnutella to grab a Buffy episode I missed that I was disconnected from SBC DSL (aka PacBell DSL), and couldn't connect for about 15 minutes. It's the second time that's happened. I don't use Gnutella except for maybe once a month, and probably haven't used it in the past three months or longer, so I don't know if it's really SBC, or when they started doing it.

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  6. they have to do volume based pricing by g4dget · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Volume-based pricing makes sense: the industry can't give you faster and faster access and at the same time allow unlimited volume--they just don't have the hardware and network infrastructure to support it, and, yes, some people will try to stream at the maximum speed whenever they can.

    The real question is what the volume pricing should look like. A 5GB limit is too low--if they charge that, they will likely lose lots of customers. Something that would make more sense to me would be:

    • You get 5GB of peak Internet usage (9am-9pm).
    • You get unlimited off-peak Internet usage (9pm-9am).
    • Only traffic above 128kbps counts towards the volume usage (i.e., you can listen to Internet radio 24h/day)
  7. Re:The reason is obvious by wishus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What they don't realize is that as soon as metered bandwidth becomes a reality, ad-blocking software will become a big market.

    This is funny, because AOL/TW sell (and place) a LOT of ads.

  8. Get over it by analog_line · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This has been talked about and talked about and talked about to death. The mainstream media will never cover this, because there's nothing for them to cover. Anyone who cares about this kind of stuff already knows about this. They keep up on the technology, and likely come by here every so often.

    The sky isn't falling. This won't kill the Internet, it will just make it more responsible, for once. Bandwidth isn't an unlimited resource. DEAL WITH IT. If you don't like it, start your own ISP and try to give everyone 2Mbit unrestricted connections, reliably, for $40/month. You won't be able to do it. Get all the venture capital funding you ask for and you still won't be able to do it. Look what happened to Excite@Home. If stuff like this ever happens, it'll be a blessing to networks everywhere. Maybe people will actually take some responsibility and secure their machines when their bandwidth is all used up 'cause someone zombified their machines and used them in a DDoS attack, or the next Internet worm uses it all up. That would make the neighborhood a whole lot safer, let me tell you.

    People claim that restricting bandwidth in this manner will kill off the Internet economy. Bah, I say. It will save the internet economy. It will make people realize that this stuff costs something. It will make them at least be aware of how they use it. If they want to use it alot, they're going to have to pay for the privilidge. If they don't want to use it alot, they're going to be able to pay less, to only use it when they need to.

    I'm all for it. Of course this is all hot air until the cable companies really crack down on it, so I guess let the good times roll as long as they can. That will only make the hangover longer I suppose. I did fine at 56K, I can do it again. No big.

  9. Look at wireless by Bonker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Exactamundo.

    In the Texas Panhandle, it's flat. Really, really flat. It's so flat, that on a clear day, you can look off at the horizon and see all 360 degress of it... faded blue depending on the humidity, but there nonetheless.

    Now, what do you need for a good wireless connection? A flat, unobstructed line-of-sight to an antenna or a repeater.

    Heh... by sticking atennas and repeaters on top of granaries, water towers, and high buildings, wireless ISPs in Amarillo and the surrounds are getting *amazing* distances with their wireless shots. You can drive 30-40 miles away and still get a good clean connection via a pingle-can antenna. Thusly, Wireless is taking off in a big way here. A good number of the people I work with are already using wireless as their main form of bandwidth and out and out refuse to go back to cable. Most everyone else is actively considering switching. Those who are considering other forms of broadband bandwidth are going to DSL and not cable.

    Cable companies and media conglomerates are screaming and making a big fucking deal out of a non-existant problem in the name of gelaning control. What it boils down to is that the technology is changing too rapidly for them to effectively impliment any kind of contols. Sure, they can nail some of the areas in the U.S. where it's impossible to get DSL or wireless, but they can't go everywhere. If my understanding is correct, DSL is getting cheaper and cheaper, and wireless is getting better and better. Cable is a flash in the pan. A bright flash, but a flash in the pan nonetheless.

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  10. Would e-mail .... by tfeark · · Score: 5, Interesting

    eat away at your limit? Just think of how much you would hate spam then...

  11. Over the air providers needed. by debest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The main issue is the ability of the end user to get access to the backbones of the Net.

    When the ability to hook up is a monopoly (like cable, where no 3rd party company is permitted to provide access over the cable company's coax), there is no competition incentive. All these "problematic" uses for the Net get banned, and there's no where else to go.

    The situation is not much better with DSL, since the 3rd party providers are at the mercy of the Bells, and are pretty limited to what they can provide because of it.

    The air, however, isn't owned by anyone (regulated, yes, but not property). If technology can allow for fast, reliable, two-way Net access through airspace, this removes the telco & cable companies' ability to ignore these undesirable Net services. If they start to lose too many subscribers to over-the-air providers, they will have to back off on the restrictions.

    Note that the tone of the article was not an issue of cost: it was an issue of what you are *allowed* to do on the Net *regardless* of cost. If the telcos and cable providers are allowed to continue, they simply will stop permitting P2P usage on their lines, with no option to turn it on (they would rather kill high-bandwidth usage than bother to administer its usage).

    End result: if we have other high-speed options, Net access will cost more (as it likely should), but at least we will still have the freedom to do as we wish. But if we do not get other options (through restrictive regulations, likely at the request of the copyright industries), then the article is bang-on.

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  12. I wouldn't worry too much. by Fugly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think there's as much to worry about as this article indicates. In a free market, tiered plans that are overpriced and overly restricted will ultimately fail to competition. People in small markets might be hurt for a little while until competition moves in, but it is only a matter of time.

    There are actually two providers here in Columbus now that have tiered plans but they're both based on throughput, not total monthly bandwidth used. In fact, it's actually pretty sweet. One of the companies offers 150kbs down and 75kbs up for $4.95 per month. Their "power user" package is 1.5mbit down and 300k up for $15.95. One of my friends is going to try it out for a month or two and compare it to roadrunner. I guarantee if it's as good as it sounds, half my office will be switching within a month.

    It's actually tempting to grab the lower tiered service and adjust to the slower speed just for the price savings. $4.95 is stupid cheap for broadband internet acess.

  13. Re:Your post is way off, dude by malfunct · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm all for paying for the amount of bandwidth used as long as its clear in the contract ahead of time, and as long as there is a way to roll over unused bandwidth to the next month or get a discount for unused bandwith.

    I think if a network is worried about your peak usage rather than total usage they should put a lower threshold on your bandwidth. If you are really only paying for half the bandwidth you are promised then that has to be some sort of fraud. They shouldn't be able to advertise unlimited connections when they really aren't unlimited.

    I have no problem with a company deciding to cap connections in one way or another, but at least be honest in your advertising and mention that you are capped.

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  14. The "tragedy of the commons" issue by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I introduced the concept of the "tragedy of the commons" as applied to the Internet in my RFC 970 back in 1985, and invented "fair queuing" to deal with it. It worked; we don't see congestion collapse (also a term I invented) much any more.

    Since then, there's been some loose talk about the "tragedy of the commons" from people who know a little economics but not much network design. These people usually seem to have a bias in favor of markets as a solution to a wide range of problems. Their arguments are not compelling.

    Sometimes a market isn't the solution. The feedback loops implicit in a pricing model are usually far too slow to regulate a datagram network without introducing instability. Realize that markets are control systems, and are subject to the stability problems of control systems. Most economists don't get this. Classical economics assumes that if there's an equilibrium point, the system will stabilize at or near it. That's not true; all you're really guaranteed is that if it oscillates, the oscillations will pass through the equilibrium point now and then.

    In addition, a pricing system itself imposes costs. In telephony, billing now costs more than transmission. Billing, setup, and support typically cost an ISP more than their backbone bandwidth. There's so much underutilized fibre installed now that backbone bandwidth just isn't a problem.

    Most of this talk is an attempt to justify a price increase by an incumbent monopoly.