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Big Brother Lifetime Award Goes To Microsoft

D4C5CE writes "Microsoft's ceaseless "success" in bringing instability, insecurity and breaches of privacy as well as a deplorable lack of open standards to almost Every Desktop on Earth has now earned them an "Oscar" for Data Leeches, the Lifetime Award for "outstanding mis-achievement" from the BigBrotherAwards 2002 in Germany. Microsoft's Data Protection Officer actually attended the ceremony to collect the prize (probably delighted that unlike the "laureates" of last year's event in Austria, at least he would not receive live cockroaches), and this unlucky winner took the opportunity to make some critical remarks on the company's communications regarding the Windows Media Player and Digital Restrictions (or, euphemistically, in his words: Rights) Management technologies which he deemed crucial for modern business models, rather than acknowledging that it's in fact not just the advertising but the approach itself which is fundamentally flawed."

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  1. Another troll article! by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love it... another article that's a troll: "instability". By checking out the links, it doesn't look like they have anything at all to do with stability. On top of that, anyone's who's been awake in the past 2-3 years knows that W2K is incredibly stable.

    Bad articles are one things, but blatant trolls are another. Who keeps approving these things?

    1. Re:Another troll article! by LordHunter317 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's why I have to reboot my Win2K workstation every week to keep the performance up to an acceptible level, and my linux/BSD workstations are known for having multiple week uptimes and feeling just as fast, if not faster as tiem goes on.

      Win2K might be stable, but the stability is like VMS stability -- at the cost of performance, especially over time. The is extra true when you have a memory leak or such other issues (which many windows applications do).

      I refuse to use a "stable" environment that slows down unless I have to. And I'm runing nothing but a web browser, Outlook, telnet and a X server most days. Sometimes not even that much. Yet, I have to reboot every week to keep it running fast.

      That's not real stability to me. Sorry, no dice.

    2. Re:Another troll article! by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I also kept my Win2k boxes up for weeks, and do the same for XP. It's called "knowing how the thing works". You need to spend as much time tweaking and setting up that Windows box as you do that Linux box.

      For instance, you should log out occasionally, kill.exe bad processes, apply the latest patches, stop a lot of crap services enabled by default, and generally know what happens when what happens.

      Really, I get a kick out of watching y'all complain about Windows stability, because at least 50% of the complaints are bogus.

      Now, to not troll, sometimes you are right: You can't keep a Windows box up indefinitely because some crap patch comes out every couple weeks.

    3. Re:Another troll article! by LordHunter317 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I do logout everynite, and leave my computer running on Standby. I clear as much junk as I can out, but can't clear out everything because this is at work. Believe me, I know how to tweak Windows when I can. Even still, I've yet to see a Windows box reliably stay both stable and fast for more than about a week at a time.

    4. Re:Another troll article! by lewp · · Score: 3, Funny

      [I'm running IIS btw...]

      How do you think I got in to read your e-mail?

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    5. Re:Another troll article! by batkiwi · · Score: 3, Informative

      I run an xp machine with codeguide (java ide), outlook, outlook express, IE, and putty all the time. No performance problems or stability problems, and I haven't rebooted this machine in 2 months.

      "and a X server"

      My best guess is THIS is causing your problems. If you're running cygwin, it can REALLY slow down your machine over time in my experience.

    6. Re:Another troll article! by nuxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hrm. That's odd. I'm sitting on a Windows XP box here with three or four weeks of uptime. Benchmarks just as fast as it always does, provided I kill off enough processes to make it as clean as when it boots up.

      People also need to stop blaming Windows for leaky apps that won't shut down properly. Or Adobe Acrobat or Quicktime stuff that decides that it needs some sort of loader. Like a previous poster stated, if you know what you're doing, you can have a rock solid Windows box. And the learning curve for these things is much lower than it is with *nix command line tools, thanks to a GUI.

    7. Re:Another troll article! by Psx29 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Believe me, I know how to tweak Windows when I can. Even still, I've yet to see a Windows box reliably stay both stable and fast for more than about a week at a time.

      Windows is like a house of cards, it's stable so long as you don't touch it ;)

    8. Re:Another troll article! by Python · · Score: 3, Insightful
      For instance, you should log out occasionally,


      And you don't see a problem with that? Thats why Windows is not considered a real OS by people that have used stable OSes for years. A real OS shouldn't require you to kill off your userland processes everynight and log back in the next day. A real OS should let you start up your useland processes and keep yourself logged in for months if you like, only locking the screen at night or lunch to walk away without a degradation in performance or stability problems - two things MS still has problems with, which is excusable in this day and age.

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  2. Re:what a balanced and fair summary by whereiswaldo · · Score: 5, Funny
  3. The site in English by BrianWCarver · · Score: 5, Informative


    Why read a lousy Google/Altavista translation, when the site has an English version?

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  4. Modern business models? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It has always seemed to me that it's the outdated business models that DRM is meant to protect.

    1. Re:Modern business models? by brianvan · · Score: 3, Informative

      DRM has the nasty side effect of being able to enact restrictions on consumers in favor of big evil content producing companies. Unfortunately, big evil companies have the right to do this as granted under law. Microsoft must think that they could make some sort of money through DRM, but I suppose that they should do "the right thing" and drop the whole idea altogether. You know, continue to make it easy for people to share content even if it's completely illegal.

      I don't know what to think here, but I don't think MS is the bad guy. If a company can provide a technology that would allow me to purchase the products I want in a way that keeps the copyright holders at ease, then I'm all for it. However, if I don't like the copyright holders, that's not the fault of software makers who try to create content protection systems... then again, I'm speaking as a heretic here, since MS makes such an easy villian in these parts...

  5. bread ago by mocm · · Score: 4, Funny

    ROTFLMAO
    Leave it to a translation software to translate the English word brother used in a German text as bread ago.
    It makes sense. They probably thought it was Brot her. Which could be translated as bread (=Brot) ago (=her), but just as well as gimmi (=her) bread.

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  6. Re:Another troll post! by Jhan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Windows is getting more stable all the time. However, an improvement from 0.01 acceptable to 0.5 acceptable isn't going to impress anyone, even if it's a 50-fold improvement.

    You conveniently chose to ignore the other two points, namely:

    • Insecurity. Sure, MS is currently putting lots of money into securing all their products, but the only reason this huge drive was nesescary is that most any MS product is shock-full of security holes!
    • Breaches of privacy. MS is all for BoP! Hell, that's their middle name! They do everything they can to screw over their customers any way they can!
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  7. That they sent a rep is not unexpected by infonography · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They did the same thing when slashdot and others tried the Refund trick a few years ago as documented in the fine film 'Revolution OS'. They had a table with free coffee and a banner that read 'Microsoft welcomes the Open Source community' (or some such thing). The Theory is very sound, if you duck an issue you get pissed off people, if you at least greet a attack with some grace it defuses the force of the argument. It's social aikido. You just can't punch out someone who offers you coffee....

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    1. Re:That they sent a rep is not unexpected by a+(+h+3+r+0+n · · Score: 3, Funny
      It's social aikido. You just can't punch out someone who offers you coffee....

      Sure you can. Just be prepared to clean up the stain afterwards. :)

  8. Oh come on by Junky191 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What good can possible come from such a negative event? This is just childish slander. Lets try to be more constructive in our criticisms and make a good name for ourselves (I mean linux advocates when I say ourselves) instead of spouting this silly nonsense.

    1. Re:Oh come on by Hanno · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This "childish slander" is highly regarded among the computer science community. It has put questionable data mining or surveillance practices by companies and governments into the public limelight.

      The past years' awards were widely reported by the mainstream press, explaining the nominees and winners to the average computer user (face, in post-industrial countries like the US, Canada and most of Europe today, bascially everyone in the workforce is an average computer user now) what happens with their data.

      This "negative event" is basically THE best thing that critical computer scientists came up with to put their voice in the mainstream press once a year.

      You should better be thankful that this event helps to give a clue to those people out there who use computers but don't think about the consequences.

      The fact that Microsoft has "won" and the Linux zealots are saying "so there" is just a result of this year's German award. In 2000, the APACHE web server has won the same award - so there.

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    2. Re:Oh come on by twitter · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yeah, we would not want to look as dumb as some senators passing around letters about how bad the GPL is, or software vendors who say things like the free software model will never produce anything more than toys, or that now those toys have exceeded the quality of their own software spout bullshit about how free software can't produce user friendly software. No we would not, we have been telling the truth and the above are lies.

      It's hard to constructivly criticise closed source software from a company like Microsoft. To do so you must first waste your time figuring out what the junk does. This is not a trival task but many people do it. Then, what those people find is not so easy to constructivly citicise. What constructive thing is there to say for an operating system that reports all user installed programs, songs and movies played, and now whatever M$ desires? It's kind of like trying to be constructive with a child molester, the leagal system needs to deal with it. The most constructive criticism available is to teach the user why free software is better than what they now own and how to use it. I think these folks do both.

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  9. The scarey thing about Microsoft.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They do really evil stuff now, when things are still going very well for the company.

    You ain't seen nothing. Just wait until they get desperate.

    I wish I were kidding.

  10. Re:what a balanced and fair summary by whereiswaldo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, the first MS link you offered makes several good points about Linux-Windows interoperability deficiencies. I don't consider these overtly biased.

    Sometimes, it's what is not said that raises my brow. For example, Linux comes with thousands of free software applications covering every interest. Windows does not. Linux is and always has been based on industry standard protocols. Not always so with Windows.

    Regarding the "straight-forward licensing" claim, they make it sound as if the use of Linux requires that you package up all your source code and intellectual property and send it off to an external server for public consumption. If you used GPL software and improve upon it, then it's not really your intellectual property. You're using somebody else's work to get the job done. What's wrong with giving something back? Don't like it - start from scratch. Whatever was yours before using Linux, remains yours.

  11. Regardin the security issues... by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think Windows is largely a desktop OS, regardless of any "Professional" labels MS choose to put on them. Remember that a "profesional" user is far too often someone who knows how to use MS Office and Outlook with zero security awareness.

    And for a desktop OS, Windows XP is sure stable and secure enough for me. Sometimes I have to wonder if an easy-to-use OS makes people lazy and don't care about firewalls, anti-virus software and other obvious security software that are necessary today, especially if you're going to use an Operating System that's by far the most common on the market. Microsoft's responsibility isn't to provide security to prevent us from spreading trojans. Only education can do that.

    But don't get me wrong -- I blame MS if they don't have a patch ready before a virus/trojan/whatever is released. But, to use Bugbear as an example, if a patch is released a year ago and someone didn't care to download it, is it then Microsoft's responisiblity to foresee the problem and have a fix when Windows 2000 went retail or the user's responsibility to keep up to date with security patches?

    I guess it all boils down to the fact that we're all human... Since Microsoft has a hard time to keep up with exploits from a huge amount of potential hackers due to the OS' wide-spread use and the end users for not keeping up with security software and patches. Perhaps Windows would be much better of as Open Source since it would help with a larger programmer base, but that's of course impossible as long as Bill Gates has something to say. :-)

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  12. Lets compare ms's track record shall we by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I had several NT 4 crashes and I used both os's as a workstation and not a server. In w2k I was re-installing my system and I was left with nothing but a blank desktop. I gave it the 3 finger salute to bring up taskmanager but I had no luck. I had to press the reset button. Event viewer showed no errors at all other then apache which stated that the system was not shutdown cleanly. So technically it was not a crash but it might as well be if I had to hit the reset button. I disabled write cache on both my drives so nothing was corrupted. I do this by default on all w2k boxes because I know they are not %100 stable but w2k is a big improvement compared to NT4 and winme. Its close but still not server ready.

    However I have never seen a linux kernel panic before and do not even know what they look like. I have used linux for 3 years now. I am aware the recent 2.4x series is not as stable as earlier version or other unixies but I use linux as a workstation and not a server.

    Now before we state that ms is finally getitng it, I would like to mention how many years it took for ms to make a good industrial OS. Take a wild guess? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years ? 15 years?

    Microsoft began NT work with os/2 back in 1985. They invented the early win32api's in windows386 which was later supposed to be added to os/2. IT wasn't untill 1988 when they hired David Cutley that they officially began what is now NT. This is after ms decided to dump os/2. It took 11 years to make it server ready! Thats right! 1988-1999 when w2k came out! Lets see where linux came in 11 years or how long it took Bell labs to make Unix ready for the mini market? The 2.0 kernel was the first server ready kernel. I admit the smp sucked and some of the features might of been lacking but it was stable, 24x7 ready, and fully posix compliant for server use back in 1996. It took linux 5 years. It probably would of been quicker if Linus decided to make seperate stable and development branches earlier. Now lets look at unix. I believe the first commercial versions came out in the mid 1970's if I am correct. 6-7 years before it became 24x7 ready.


    My point is that it took ms a decade with full working win32 as well as os/2 code to base work on! I only imagine how long it would take if they had to write NT from scratch without any os/2 code. An admin told me once that the first version of NT would display os/2 errors whenever a problem errupted. Where as in the other projects, all the code was written from scratch. Linus I believe decided to dump all minux code for the first version of linux even though it was used to write it. w2k still needs some work and that is a bad track record. Reward is deserved indeed regardless of how good w2k is currently.

  13. Re:DRM is not "fundamentally flawed" by rhadamanthus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    yes and no.

    You are correct in assuming that P2P apps are the reason companies are scared to invest in online entertainment. Especially movies. It is too risky.

    However, the real problem here is that MS doesn't just want to make a DRM system for media, but a DRM system that uses proprietary extensions built on damn-near propietary laws. If the CBDTPA (or whatever it is now) passes, not only does MS offer its own incompatible "standard" for DRM technology, but this technology is inherently biased since the big media groups decide on who can and cannot make use of the the digital watermarking...

    Anything is possible, and I prefer to be cautious. Anyhow, this is a TROLL article, but the DRM debate is useful, and I welcome more opinions...

    Sincerely,

    Rhad

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  14. Re:DRM is not "fundamentally flawed" by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    DRM may partially solve the pirating problem (until it is cracked, anyway), but only by creating a far worse problem: DRM gives someone else the final say over what your computer allows you to do. "No problem", I hear you say, "I trust Microsoft not to abuse that power". Okay, let's assume for the sake of argument that Microsoft does have your best interests at heart, and wouldn't knowingly abuse your rights. What happens when Microsoft's key generator get hacked, and all of sudden their "security through signed certificates" house of cards falls apart, as every virus and trojan suddenly becomes a "trusted app", allowed full privileges to your machine? What happens when your government decides that DRM is a convenient mechanism for suppressing dissent, and pressures Microsoft to remotely disable any program that isn't government approved?


    Yes, Microsoft and other DRM advocates will assure you that they have thought of these things, and they have taken steps to insure they won't happen. But to paraphrase Murphy's Law, if anything can be abused, it will be. In the end it comes down to this: how much is control over your own computer worth to you? Would you give it up just for the chance to pay to watch some movies on line?

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  19. nope, it's just more people seeing the same. by twitter · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If MS windows were not a desirable product why would so many people use it?

    For the same reason so many people in India drink arsenic tainted wellwater, they feel they have no easy alternative. Public education is the answer here and there. First people need to be made aware of the what they are doing to themselves. Second they need to know alternate sources are available and how to get them. The worse the consequenses the greater the effort should be. For software the alternatives are easy to come by.

    Big Brother is just another voice that has recognized how bad M$'s software and licensing has become.

    It is apparent that individuals and companies that use M$ trash will suffer. You might enjoy your mail being under the control of others, not being able to listen to anything but RIAA music, spam, continual format purge, and all the other joys of M$ software. Good for you. Others might not.

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  20. Re:Um by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Funny how we never see stories like this about Linux."

    A friend of mine has Linux (RedHat I think...) on his computer at home. It has an LCD monitor. He pushed one of the buttons on the LCD monitor and the whole screen shifted right like 50 pixels. He had to fly around all over Linux to find the right conf file to get that fixed.

    No, horror stories like that don't get posted. However, it is a big screaming deal when decent font support finally happens. Heh.

    I bet I lose karma over this post. It'd be a pity if that happened, though. Shedding light on Linux's weaker areas of the UI would, at worst, cause a few developers to react to them. It wouldn't make people flock away from Linux.

    In other words: Slashdot could get away with a little equality in the way it treats MS and Linux.

  21. Re:DRM is not "fundamentally flawed" by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Interesting
    No it doesn't, except for with certain specific types of encrypted file.


    Of course, but Microsoft's current proposal is only the first step down a slippery slope. If people prove to accept restrictions "only on specific types of file", they will likely proceed to the next step. By the time people have realized how much control they've given up, it will be too late. This isn't just paranoia, either -- there are already plans for products that initially allow you to do what you want (so that you'll buy them), but as soon as the products have become indispensable, they can be remotely disabled so as only to play "approved" content. And the whole point of DRM is to make sure that you, the owner of this hardware, have little knowledge and no control over what the hardware does.


    Get your hearing seen to. I say "No problem. As long as there is choice". At the moment there is.


    At the moment, there is choice. Fast forward a few years, when DRM is standard on all new PCs. Nobody has complained too loudly (because, as you say, they have a choice), and so the RIAA pushes through a bill making DRM mandatory. Suddenly you are unable to buy a new machine that the RIAA can't control.


    Firstly, I'll install Linux. Or rather uninstall Windows. I already have another two operating sytems on
    my machine.


    Linux won't do you much good if it isn't able to read any of your files. It will do even less good if the BIOS prevents it from running because it's "unauthorized software". True, that frog isn't boiled yet, but the water is getting warmer...

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  22. Re:Another troll post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You both inadvertently failed to mention the most important point, namely:

    Regardless of how much MS improves its products' stability, insecurity, and disrespect for privacy, it's still a monopoly with an inordinate amount of control. The bottom line is that no one would give a lick if MS weren't a monopoly, because we could all use something else.

    Understanding that a "benevolent" dictator is still a dictator is a point that many seem to have forgotten.

  23. In related news... by sebi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The winners of the austrian BBAs were announced today. For those who care: Microsoft did not win a single one, although they were nominated in two categories. All the awards went to companies and public institutions that invaded the privacy of austrian citizens in a much more direct way than Microsoft is able to.

    I do think that giving the award to Microsoft was more of a publicity stunt pulled by the organizers of the german event than anything else. Giving them a "lifetime achievement" for things they will likely do in the future does seem a bit out of place.

    The BigBrotherAwards are not totally useless. But at the moment they should mainly operate on a national level and raise awareness of existing intrusions into privacy. I don't know if there is an international version of these awards. If such a thing exists, then two years down the line Microsoft might deserve to be honored, but right now it just is a cheap attempt to get some publicity.

    In completely unrelated and off-topic news: I just found out that Richard Harris, among a lot of other achievments known as the actor who played Albus Dumbledore in the first two Harry Potter films, died today at the age of 72. Bummer.

  24. Re:Another troll post! by sean23007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    BoP is MS's middle name? Would that make them MBoPS? Wasn't that an old Hanson song a few years ago...?

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