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Car Cellphone Bans Driving Bluetooth

jmatheny14 noted that the BBC is running an article about an unexpected side effect of car cellphone bans. It says"Legislation banning the use of mobile phones in cars is spurring car manufactures to look for alternatives such as Bluetooth." and "Because it can be used with a hands-free headset that can connect to a mobile phone even if the device is some distance away, it could be a perfect way to get around the ban."

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  1. Another one of these laws by indiigo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    uh newsflash.

    This is one of those laws where most people ignore it. Like Jaywalking, Speeding, and Sodomy!

    It's difficult to enforce, due to the lack of similar laws in neighboring cities and townships.

    "Sorry, Jim, going into Suffolk county now, gotta hang up cause there's signs everywhere! I'll reach ya via bluetooth!"

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    1. Re:Another one of these laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      True, true. However, since it is the law, if you get into an accident because of some idiot talking on the phone, you can sue the living hell out of them. They can't hide behind the ol' "But it isn't against the law" argument. That is very effective, in the long run.

  2. Re:Why? by MadocGwyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because of people talking on cell phones getting into accidents, some states have full bans some states require hands free devices

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  3. This is going to take a while! by damu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is not just the fact that cellphone take one hand away from the wheel it is also the dialing, the looking for a phonenumber, the dropping your cell phone and looking for it under your seat, while keeping one eye on the road and the foot on a the pedal. Until, a car product can get rid of these "dangers" that cell phone cause, things will remain the same.

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  4. Spirit of the law by aridhol · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Because it can be used with a hands-free headset that can connect to a mobile phone even if the device is some distance away, it could be a perfect way to get around the ban.
    OK, the law says you can't have a cell phone. There's probably a reason for this (safety?). Now, the manufacturers are trying to violate the spirit of the law while following the letter. While not technically illegal, it's still wrong.
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    1. Re:Spirit of the law by LFS.Morpheus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The law, at least in New York, says you can't use it without a hands-free headset of some kind. The article provides little insight into the laws that are trying to be passed in Europe, but I believe an outright ban is pretty unlikely ("70% of calls are made from the car" -- there's certainly a lot of corporate interest that will make their voice heard).

      The point is, using bluetooth to automatically recognize a nearby headset and use it without wires going all over the place is certainly an improvement. More people will follow the law if its more convienant. Even more-so, the phone can communicate with the car, and use the in-car speakers and a built-in microphone. Nothing to put on, and nothing to set up.

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  5. Safety Issue by neurostar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The issue of cell phones in cars is somewhat serious. I know a couple people who have been involved in accidents because they were talking on their cell phones and didn't have time to react. A person who is holding their phone up to their ear is more occupied and so is less likely to be able to respond in a timely fashon.

    Some form of headsets are a good idea. They require less attention to the phone and allow the driver to simply talk without worrying about holding the phone up. However, even those cheap $20 ones work just fine for this purpose.

    Using bluetooth for this makes bluetooth seem like an answer searching for a question. Using bluetooth would just be using hype to sell super-expensive headsets. I think those cheap one will suffice.

    Of course... I don't need any sort of headset. I am an excellent driver and I can concentrate on the road without a headset...

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  6. More on the spirit of the law... by krinsh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many of you have your kids quiet in the car while driving? How many of you don't like driving with passengers because... they are a distraction? ANYTHING that distracts you from the most immediate and important task - DRIVING - should, pardon the pun, take an immediate and complete back seat to anything but driving when you are on the road. Hundreds upon hundreds of accidents each year should drill that concept into you. It's no wonder I see more and more luxury-class vehicle accidents than I do even drunk driving incidents anymore. High speed and cellphones are the new alcohol intoxication of today's highways.

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  7. It's like driving drunk by yerricde · · Score: 3, Insightful

    has nobody heard of hands free headsets?

    When a fellow talks on the phone while driving, even with a headset, the conversation still reduces his concentration to the level of a driver at the legal limit for alcohol intoxication.

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  8. Re:Distraction by Kithraya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So by extension, talking to a passenger in your car is also dangerous?

  9. Re:Distraction by plumby · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From what I remember of the research, it showed that passengers are usually reasonably aware of what is going on on the road and will often stop talking to the driver if they detect danger, such as a busy junction, whereas the person on the other end of the phone has no knowledge of what is going on, and therefore cannot react in the same way.

    So the answer to your question is no (or at least not to the same extent).

  10. Re:Barking up the wrong tree by Hanno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps automobile manufacturers should get past the marketing hype and actually market a feature that customers want and have been sociologically clamoring for the last decade - Self-driving cars.

    It's called a railway train and it's been around since a few decades. A subway and a bus also does what you look for.

    Now I know that the railway system in Northern America stinks, but here in Europe, you'd be surprised how good it actually is. Fast, modern, not too pricy (although I wouldn't mind a price cut).

    I'm 30, I live in Hamburg, I have a small company, I travel a lot within Germany (to both big and small cities), I have a driver's license but I don't own a car. I don't expect to buy a car at least within the next five years.

    Trains do everything I need for distant travels. The Hamburg tram and bus system does everything I want for local travel except when I have to transport some heavy object e.g. furniture. That's when I rent a car or ask a friend for help.

    And when train, tram, subway and bus don't reach the place I want to go to, I hop on a taxi.

    So far, the costs are much lower than owning a car in Germany (fuel, insurances, maintenace, etc.), but I guess that owning a car is significantly cheaper in the US, so it's tough to compare.

    That's time that I can't do anything useful with...study, read, play a game, nothing.

    That's exactly why I like not having a car. Leave the driving to someone else, I just work a little on my laptop or bring my pillow and rest a few hours.

    market a feature that customers want and have been sociologically clamoring for the last decade

    Do customers want this and did they clamor for it for the last decade? Because if they did, the bigger US cities would have a much better public transportation system, Amtrak wouldn't suck and Greyhound buses wouldn't be the poor man's ride they are today.

    (I know what I talk about. I had a 8 week trip through the US on a Greyhound ticket. It was fun and the bus system isn't actually bad, but no average US citizen would want to see as an alternative to having a car.)

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  11. If you think that cell phone and driving mix well. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...try this.

    Crank up your fave FPS or driving simulator. Get really into it. Mark down how soon you crash/get killed out.

    Now call someone and try to have a meaningful talk on the hone with them while playing the same game. Now see how fast you get killed out.

    Behind the wheel of your car, there is no "reset".

  12. Re:Its all part of the plan by panurge · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Speed cameras everywhere
    Where there are accidents.

    Draconion[sic] speed limits (less than 35 km/h in some places)
    Yes. Outside schools. Where the UK have one of the worst accident rates in Europe

    Insane fuel tax, (costs around 75p/litre)
    See below

    High Taxes
    You have a second world economy, you want first world services, you get high taxes. The UK is no longer a world power but tries to act like one. Get over it.

    Speed bumps, chicanes, etc
    With you there. Sensible countries like Germany use rumble strips.

    Plans for congestion charges/road tolls in cities.
    Have you ever been outside the UK, friend? To France, Italy, Switzerland or the places in the US where they have toll roads? It's hardly a UK disease.

    If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Pay French income tax, be unemployed in Germany, pay US health insurance rates, suffer Italian bureaucracy or Swiss anal retentiveness. But don't be so silly. The UK economy is still heavily auto-based, and governments ignore this at their peril.

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  13. Re:Talk and drive vs. Swurve pull-over maneuver by skeedlelee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or pull over slowly/at the next exit and call them back. Really, how many cell phones don't come with caller ID? No caller ID/blocked number, use voice mail. Like screening your calls at home, if they don't leave a message, was it really all that important to answer the phone in the first place? Probably not.

  14. Re:Distraction by skeedlelee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Absolutely. I know someone who basically has no ability to concentrate on the road if you're talking to them. Figured this out once the hard way. No accident but when they ran the SECOND stop sign I decided that I should never mix talking and driving with them.

    Also, pretty much anything can be a distraction. I once got into (my one) accident by looking down for like 0.5s to hit eject on my tapedeck. Traffic was doing like 15mi/hr but it came to a complete stop in that period of time. No one is proposing doing away with stereos in cars but basically anything that is a distraction is a hazard. Laws banning cell phones while driving are just trying to reduce the incidence of needless distraction. Given the way a lot of people drive (Do they even teach following distance in drivers ed. these days?) it really doesn't take much to cause an accident these days.