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RealNetworks Releases Helix Source

teeheehee writes "According to this DigitalMass article, RealNetworks yesterday released source code for their audio and video players, with server-side and encoding software coming maybe in December. The code isn't complete, it's missing things like burning-to-cd routines; and they're getting flak from Microsoft calling it a ploy. Regardless, anytime a big company releases their source only good can come of it (for the public.)" Our story a few days ago had more information on the licensing, and gathered a couple of interesting posts from one user.

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Informative

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  2. And all of you running PPC or Alpha Linux by 0x0d0a · · Score: 4, Informative

    Can rejoice -- looks like this is what you were waiting for (assuming that this is what it looks like -- an open sourcing of the client codecs).

    It was sort of a no-brainer. The video/audio codec is one area where the OSS community has kicked the crap out of the closed source community with free, technically excellent stuff like divx and vorbis. You want to compete with WMV, you need every edge you can get.

    This is quite impressive. Apple's gone to a BSD core, Real open sourcing their software...

    It's pretty much come down to the rest of the world using UNIX-like stuff/open source versus Microsoft. If this can't take down MS, then there's not a lot of hope for anything ever doing it.

  3. Re:How open is this source? by lewp · · Score: 5, Informative

    First off, the CD burning routines aren't that important. There is plenty of Open Source code out there that can burn a decent CD. The media playing bits are the important and interesting part.

    Real appears to have two licenses available for use. One caters to the Open Source community and one seems to cater to businesses that aren't as keen on OSS.

    Under the RPSL (the license intended for the OSS community) code based on the Helix source needs to itself be released under the RPSL, but it can also be dual licensed with a great deal of Open Source licenses including, among others, the BSD license, the (L)GPL, and Apple's source license. The full list can be found here:

    https://www.helixcommunity.org/content/complicen se

    It looks like they've got a really good start here for being a good citizen in the OSS community while not alienating potential customers who aren't comfortable with the concept yet. I still need to read the RPSL thoroughly, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with this.

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  4. gratis, not libre by phr2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to the Salon article someone already linked, the Helix license doesn't fulfill the Free Software or Open Source definitions. Royalty-free redistribution is only permitted noncommercially. Also, according to another post, most of the Realplayer codecs--the only parts of Realplayer that are interesting at all--are still closed.

  5. RealVideo 9 is an extremely inefficient codec by benwaggoner · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'll skip past most of your whining, and focus on something you're just straight-up technically wrong about.

    The RealVideo 9 codec has the best compression effciency (bang for the bit) of any publically available codec in a GM version (I'm discounting Windows Media Video 9, since it is still in beta, but that would be somewhat better in some cases).

    Sure, it rarely looks perfect, but it does better than other codecs.

    Bear in mind that going from uncompressed video to modem data rates is about a 12000:1 compression! Folks used to watching DivX don't often realize that those files use data rates several times that of typical real-time streaming even over broadband. Also, a file download can have huge data rate spikes that aren't as possible under real-time streaming.

  6. Re:The Real Player Secret Handshake by kilonad · · Score: 4, Informative

    I realize you're not asking if it's been done before, but rather if it's included in the release. I'd almost put money on it not being included in the release, and here's why. A couple years ago Real shut down a little company for producing two products: StreamboxVCR and StreamboxRipper (could be one in the same, it's been a while). IIRC, the major reasons for doing this were twofold: they reverse-engineered the secret handshake, and you could save streamed media. Real realized that if people could easily save media streamed over their protocols, the big media companies would flock to a competitor (i.e., microsoft) and therefore shut the company down. I'm not sure if the fact that they reverse engineered the handshake actually had anything to do with the shutdown, but it was the previously missing key to saving streamed media. I highly doubt they'll just give it away now.