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EU Studies Linux Migration

LeftOfCentre writes "The Register reports that the European Commision, the executive arm of the 380 million population European Union, has decided to spend 250,000 Euros on studying how government computers in EU states could be migrated to Linux and open source."

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  1. Fasibility Study Only - As yet.... by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is currently only a feasibilty study, and I gather the Germans in particular with thir own initiatives are quite strongly behind this.

    However, many persons in the EU are aware of the perils of depending upon a single vendor and their propietary formats, and also how ill-served we are when pushing documents around between PCs configured for different languages.

  2. Fantastic idea by captainclever · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think more and more business' will be considering this, faced with the soaring costs and big-brother-esque EULA clauses that go hand in hand with the likes of windows/office etc. Maybe this will cause the number of jobs in the intustry to soar, esp regarding Linux know-how. All in all this seems to be a good thing :)

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  3. Europe out in front again... by Broken+Bottle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does anyone else get the impression that this will be yet another area where, yet again, Europe is going to be WAY out in front of the US. Europe and progressive social policy (or, if you live there, I guess you'd just call it "social policy" :) ) are practically synonymous and the US is once again made to look like a country run by bankers... Government is a public institution. Therefore, in my mind, it makes perfect sense for a government (a democratic one at least) to setup it's IT infrastructure based around a platform created by the people for the people rather than a platform that lines the pockets of a monlithic corporation (and, in this case, a foreign one at that).

    Chris

    1. Re:Europe out in front again... by pubjames · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course we have the example of UK to show it is possible to transition from a welfare state to a free market.

      That's right. As a UK citizen I am proud of how the UK has lead the way with privitizing its public services. It's made the UK a much better place to live! What with the expensive public transport system that fails to run on time and a health service that is now one of the worst in Europe. And what joy it brought when The Post Office spent vast sums renaming itself "Consignia" to be more commercial, and then reverting back to "The Post Office". How jealous the rest of Europe must be!

  4. Taxes by goldspider · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know most European nations are generally socialist at their core and tax their citizens quite heavily. Is a migration to Linux going to mean lower cost of government operation and lower taxes? Or is the money that they save just going to go to some other bloated government program?

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    1. Re:Taxes by pubjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is a migration to Linux going to mean lower cost of government operation and lower taxes? Or is the money that they save just going to go to some other bloated government program?

      Just because your own government isn't very good doesn't mean that governments the world over are crappy.

    2. Re:Taxes by Sir+Banana · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I can speak on this from the other direction - I've moved from the UK to the states - and I pay pretty much the same amount of tax. To suggest that the US taxes at a lower level is somewhat misleading and is only true with qualifications.

      If you are a HIGH earner then the US taxes you at a lower rate.

      If you are a normal person then the US taxes you about the same (of course this depends a little on your state).

      I suspect that this is because a lot of americans belive in the 'America Dream': One day they will make it and be rich. They think that when that happens they wouldn't want really high taxes so they are content with a system that penalises the average person, just in case.

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  5. What about the UK? by GnomeKing · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The UK government recently (relatively) spent a lot of money with microsoft to introduce a "gateway" system for several things for use by the UK population (I dont know if it is implemented, but a good example is tax returns)

    I wonder if how to solve "initiatives" like that will be taken into consideration - since afaik there is no OSS solution for the existing implementation, and their gateway would have to be rethought/designed/implemented to move to OSS

    1. Re:What about the UK? by Zephy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IIRC (an I assume you are talking about UKonline) they've had serious trouble with parts of that site working with each other.. even now you can't use a single ID to access all of the services on that site. (Which incedentally is running on solaris 8 according to netcraft)

  6. Re:This is the EU not the US... by tubs · · Score: 2, Interesting
    When all the EU comissioners resign due to corruption then your comment doesn't seem quite so sarcastic ....

    Honestly they did

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  7. Good news by d-Orb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I guess this is good news. For a start, it is quite important to us European what the EU recommends. A well-funded, unbiased and "robust" study of Linux and free software should be welcomed. To start with, it will provide Linux with plenty of limelight. It will also point out things which need to be sorted out, and it will give more clout to people in European (or elsewhere) organisations that need pretty PDF documents with "this page is left blank intentionally" in order to be convinced.
    It would be great if this study actually comes up with reasonable comments and maybe a HOWTO. If you speak Spanish, you can see what I guess is the desired output of this project (as applied to one of Spain's ministeries) here.
    Also, note that this is mainly a desktop study, not a server or file format study (the EU has already carred out a number of these in the past). So someone is taking Linux seriously! :-)

  8. Money well spent by nomadicGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm glad to see this happening.

    I've been pretty turned off by some of the sales practices that I have seen by large software companies. I think that it makes much more sense for governments to pool their resources and develop free software instead of licensing commercial packages.

    MS licensing fees are not unreasonable but they do add up when you are talking about so many users. At least I haven't seen them selling 2 licenses for every govt employee.

    A couple of years ago, an Oracle reseller sold the state of CA more licenses than they had users to use. I've seen it happen with other software companies. I'd love to see CA move to an open source database and tell Oracle to kiss their butts. It would serve them right.

  9. Re:A token expenditure by panurge · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The European Commission isn't actually very large and does not actually have a very large budget. Finding 250000 euros isn't necessarily that easy. There is a mildly amusing story about this. Apparently at some event Prince Charles (von Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Battenberg etc) was sounding off about the huge European bureaucracy and its deadening effect, until someone broke protocol (you're not allowed to tell the heir to the throne he is talking bovine excrement) and remarked that actually the EU bureaucracy is smaller than Kent County Council, which handles local services for a few percent of the UK. At which the Prince suddenly went quiet.

    The Commission tends to attract the brightest civil servants, and actually if you ever have to deal with it, it shows. Think West Wing in several languages. And no, I don't work for it and am never likely to.

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  10. Linux Thin Clients? by jdbarillari · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The article alludes to a "ultra low cost machine being supplied by the Telford office of Taiwanese company GCI, price ?299, including a smart card reader." This machine is "'stateless,' so a user can log on with their smartcard from any machine on the network, and get immediate access to their personal desktop,".

    That sounds a lot like the Sun Ray. I can't find any info GCI from Taiwan (those who can read Chinese could look here to see if GCI==gci.com.tw. It looks like an ordinary retailer.) Does GCI sell Sun Rays, or do they have a new solution?

    US $467-per-box seems surprisingly high (conversion by xe.com/ucc/) for a thin client. Thin clients (at least the ones I've seen) are usually built around stripped-down architectures -- essentially, a USB controller, a video card, a NIC, and the minimum that's needed to tie them together. Then again, if you toss in the price of an LCD monitor (space concerns) and a smart card reader, $467 may be reasonable.

    Does anyone know what GCI sells? The Oracle of Google doesn't reveal anything about GCI and "smart card" or "thin client". (It does reveal a page saying that there is a "ANSWER GCI LTD", originally from Taiwan, in Telford, but supplies no details beyond the fact that they're in "computer sales.") If they're a reseller, reselling thin clients, I would be intrigued to discover which ones.

  11. Re:A token expenditure by nibelung · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't forget that the EC is only a tiny fraction of size of all combined EU governments. If the EC is spending 250K Euros (an insignificant amount really IMO), it signals that all combined, there is 10s or 100s of millions being spent on investigating open source.

  12. Absolutely by CaptainZapp · · Score: 3, Interesting
    How jealous the rest of Europe must be!

    Oh absolutely! Smashing British Rail into smithereens and a bankrupt infrastructure company was a master stroke.

    Where else in Europe can you still get a sense of danger and adventure when riding the train?

    Ah nostalgia: The service level and efficiency of what remains from the English rail system is now comparable with the one in Bulgaria in the 50s.

    Yeah, your Ms. Thatcher sure had a clue...

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  13. don't forget eastern European countries by master_p · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They don't have much money but they have a huge need for computers, so Linux is their best choice.
    And they are going to enter EU pretty soon.