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Australia, China and Snowboard Shops Use Linux

Miscellaneous stories about Linux usage today: the Australian government has allowed (but not required) its agencies to switch to Linux. China is apparently going to go all-Linux for the 2008 Olympic games in Beijing. And business2.com has a story about chain of snowboarding shops (and other businesses) deploying Linux cash registers and desktops.

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  1. Important to remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Linux being adopted in more places isn't necessarily a victory. If it performs badly, they will just switch back to Windows or UNIX. I hope, really, that they have decided on Linux because they believe it's the best tool for the job, and not simply to cut costs or to rebel against Microsoft. If Linux is the right tool for the job, only then is it really a victory. I would be cautiously optimistic about Linux being used on more and more places.

    1. Re:Important to remember by rovingeyes · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I hope, really, that they have decided on Linux because they believe it's the best tool for the job, and not simply to cut costs or to rebel against Microsoft.

      I can agree with the part of Linux being right for the job but I beg to disagree that govts are not doing these to cut costs. A major decision in any govt approach to a new idea or technology is primarily driven by costs. Hell, even new guns have to confirm to a set price by govt, only then govt will buy them in bulk. And we all know the licensing policy of M$ is a real pain in the ass.

    2. Re:Important to remember by b0r1s · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Additionally,

      Linux powering cash registers isn't much of a victory. This isn't an area where anyone notices, nor anyone cares, about things like usability: as long as it's stable and can do basic math, it works; things like fast VMs, threading, and all of the other things that make linux work well for servers are relatively useless in a cash register.

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    3. Re:Important to remember by Blackneto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it is a victory.
      The people that provide cash registers and POS systems are always looking to lower the bottom line to increase profits. Licensing OS's to run thier software on adds that much more. They also need to have a stable platform to base thier systems on to keep the customers happy. If Linux succeeds there, then it will get noticed by others in the industry and word will spread by mouth and trade magazines.
      Maybe partially related... Compaq's new Smartstart 6.0 CD is Linux based. this allows them to get out of the licensing from MS for thier server configuration software. Before they had to pay MS for each CD they pressed because they were using a Windows platform.

      Joe Sixpack may not notice all this, but the people that spend the big money are starting to.

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    4. Re:Important to remember by moz25 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, there is another factor as well: the OS is open. I think this is a major issue for a government - it's a rather strange situation for your government secrets to be stored on machines that are run by a closed system delivered by a foreign company that may or may not be cooperating in snooping.

      I would hope, btw, that such deployment would have as a direct effect that much more work will be done on improving linux desktop capabilities and speeds... the speeds I'm getting on default installations is not very motivating.

    5. Re:Important to remember by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I remember correctly the Chinese adopted LINUX because of the Open Source system which guarantees that there are no CIA,NSA... etc... back doors in the code, and even if there are backdoords a codereview will find them. One of the main motivations would thus have been that they did not trust Microsoft to stand up to the pressure to integrate backdoors for US security/intelligence services in their Windows dialects. Germany is following a similar trend. Although they keep ranting on about cost cutting, word has it, that a condsiderably larger part of the real reason than the German Govt. would like to admit in public is a desire for increased security. And Germany is not alone in this either, I suspect that more countries will take a second look at LINUX now that G. W. Bush Jr. is in the White House ensuring that the worlds trust in the USAs trustworthyness has reached a new low point. It would appear that the xerox spycam episode and how it was used to spy on enemies as well as allies has not been entirely forgotten after all. You can of course gripe about this being ancient history but there are more recent examples, such as the NSA abusing the ECHELON system for industrial espionage. Not that I as a European am pissed about this sort of thing, we do industrial espionage over here too. It is a grand old tradition as old as humanity and occasionally we over here in the old world even manage to sc*ew US companies in the b*tt just like the US Govt sc*ewed Airbus. I bet you are now tempted to write me off as an anti Microsoft NUTTER, but I fail to see why we should make it easy for the USA to sabotage our industry or read our private files off our hard disk. Lets face it, it is alot harder to keep the NSAs nose out of ones data with M$ Windows (notice I put the fashioable $ sign in the Microsoft ancronym) than it is to protect ones privacy under LINUX.

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  2. how bizarre by sssmashy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The move enforces the Chinese government's stance as a champion of the development of independent operating systems.

    Ironic, considering the Chinese government's stance as a champion of the repression of independent belief systems...

  3. I bet Beijing games will actually be all-Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... because announcing "we will go Linux" if your quite visible, causes Microsoft to fly in Steve Ballmer to give an offer you can't refuse. Just like Telstra.

  4. From small acorns grow strong oaks by Action_Jax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This sort of coverage is great news,

    I've been going around trying to convince my clients that Linux is a viable corporate alternative ( see here) and every story avocating its use for political (free speech), environmental (recycling and making those old 386s usable again), societal (adding value to people in third-world countries) and technological (A Globally Wide pool of people with diverse ideas rather than those in Redmond) as well as valid business reasons (increases profitability, adds value, reduces costs, etc) make the Linux argument even stronger.

    We need more of the "I switched to Linux because it was good for my business model" rather than "I switched cos Microsoft was mean and horrible to me so I took my ball and went to another park" because mean and 'orrible Microsoft will just replace the usual suspects with new friendly (and more insidious) faces and rebrand themselves as the NEW microsoft and pull those customers back in again (Hey look they said they were sorry and I can go back to the park again).

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  5. The realities of switching to linux by codepunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just gave a linux presentation to a partner vendor company of ours yesterday. The one thing you have to remember is that neither one our companies produces commercial software. Both of our business's are in the manufacturing areana. We showed them our manufacturing terminals running kde and our custom applications and needless to say they where shocked at the simplicity and capabilities. The only thing they cared about was the incredible way it brings computing everywhere at a very low cost. Being a manufacturing company it allows us to expand our computing environment at little cost. During a rough economy this allows us to take deep product cost cuts to take business from our competitors. The use of linux is a competitive advantage, plain and simple.

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  6. Re:I would submit for your approval. . . by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that a yes or a no? It's hard to tell. I'd have to guess by your qualification of "the majority of cases" that it's a *yes.*

    Nor were we contextually discussing the majority of cases so I'm left to assume you took this as an opportunity to make your point irrespective of the topic, per se.

    I can tell you for sure that if I were a Chinese government agency the idea of running propriatary American code would spook the living bejeezus out of me. I'd also put forth as a hypothesis that * the government of China* has a peck of programer power at its beck and call. Just as an educated guess mind you.

    There are crack programers beyond the American shores. Linus is a Finn. Alan Cox is English. The two most obvious cases that come to mind.

    The Chinese developed the A-bomb, H-bomb and ICBM's all without American aid at all. I'd hazard they've got a person or two who can manage to find their way around in postgres and Abiword. I'd wager even their lowliest "steno pool girls" could manage to whack out a memo in vi. Just because it's become culturally "de riguer" in Santa Monica to pass "meet me for lunch" notes as PowerPoint presentations doesn't mean the whole world works to those standards.

    Governments are one of the *prime* "customers" for which having source is more often a valuable feature than otherwise.

    As for point of sale systems that, oddly enough, is a field I've actually worked in. Point of Sales systems are almost *invariably* developed in house, either as a propriatary product for resale to vendors, or by the vendors themselves. One of the reasons MS has begun it's "shared code" program is directly due to the demand from such developers for code access. Point of Sale systems have been one of the fields that open source OS's have made the greatest inroads into specifically because of the availability of code down to the lowest level. Developers of Point of Sales systems aren't "abandoned" of support. It's *their* code. What worries them most is being dicked around by *their OS supplier.* What's more, those vendors that buy their Point of Sale systems from a developer almost invariably * demand source* as part of the sales contract to protect themselves in case the supplier goes under.

    Point of Sales was perhaps the worst example you could have chosen.

    Now the fact of the matter is that I don't give a hoot about actually having the source code to vim personally. I guess this is "the majority of cases" you're talking about.

    On the other hand, because vim *is* open source and uses open formats for its output * it doesn't matter a hoot to me* if the developers "abandon" it. Transfering my data to a new "vendors" product takes. . .well, no time at all actually. Not to mention the fact that if it's "abandoned" * it still works.*

    You see, most of the time people suffer when a code maintainer has abandoned them is *because* the code and it's file formats are propriatary!

    Ironically in my own businesses I've more often suffered *because* the code maintainer of a propriatary bit of software kit continued to "develop" it.

    Trust me on this one. I know. If you're running your *own* small business and the cost of your software being "maintained" by a propriatary vendor is coming out of your *own* pocket instead of going to food on your table you become really, really aware of the "feature" that Open Source software offers.

    emacs doesn't break. emacs writes perfectly good internal memos and business letters. I've never had an ascii text file rejected because someone couldn't open it under their OS. ascii doesn't change its "file format" every three years to force me to buy a new text processor. If I need a "feature" in emacs I can either add it myself or have one of my people do it ( I hire smart people). If I need something fancier than plain text emacs produces nifty HTML and XHTML.

    Just one download and I had all my text processing needs taken care of, essentially, forever!

    I rather fancy the government of China has considered *these very issues.*

    What is the number one "feature" most people claim for MS Office. Why, that it shares files with . . . MS Office.

    Well, if you are a government, and you have the power of fiat to declare yourself MS free. . .that "feature" kinda goes "Poof," don't it?

    All of a sudden Kword looks mighty tasty. . .and it works! Hell, if they stopped "maintaining" it it could even be a boon because now you'ld have a working and *long term stable* product.

    But then, as you have the grace to admit in your closing, you weren't talking about facts anyway. Now were you?

    KFG