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Beaming into Space

HobbySpacer writes "At this week's 1st Int. Symposium on Beamed Energy Propulsion in Huntsville a wide range of laser and microwave propulsion schemes are being presented. The big news so far is the announcement by Gregory Benford of plans for a test of microwave propulsion with the Cosmos Sail, due to fly early next year. The possibilities of using lasers to deflect incoming asteroids & comets are also under discussion."

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  1. Most immediate space challenge? Riiight.... by andymac · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article on Space.com:
    "Preventing collisions with the Earth by hypervelocity asteroids, meteoroids, and comets is the most important immediate space challenge facing human civilization. This is the Impact Imperative," Campbell and several research associates suggest.

    Wow. I always thought that the likelihood of an asteroid hitting Earth was low, at least low enough that ther are probably better things to spend one's time addressing... say, hunger, AIDS, yadda yadda yadda.

    A larger problem is how to lower the cost of missions to allow for an increase their frequency. If this kind of technology c(w)ould be used to allow humans or unmanned craft more time in space to collect data, I think that would be far more useful.

    The quote smacks of FUDing. Oooh, look out! A big bad asteroid could it us! You all saw "Deep Impact", right? Well, better fund us so we can make sure that never happens...

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    1. Re:Most immediate space challenge? Riiight.... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "... at least low enough that ther are probably better things to spend one's time addressing... say, hunger, AIDS, yadda yadda yadda."

      You're talking about different areas of science here. Scientists aren't exactly being pulled off AIDS research to work on this problem. However, a tragic asteroid impact would mean that AIDS and world hunger wouldn't be on everybody's top lists.

    2. Re:Most immediate space challenge? Riiight.... by Graff · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I always thought that the likelihood of an asteroid hitting Earth was low, at least low enough that ther are probably better things to spend one's time addressing

      Yes, it is rare. Yes, we should worry about other, more common problems. The only thing is that with our other problems, even if they become epidemic, they are not likely to ever wipe out the entire human race. One big collision with an asteroid, however unlikely, can easily end the human race (along with many other types of life on this planet).

      Even though a calamity such as a large impact is extremely unlikely on the scale of our lifetimes it is almost inevitable over the course of thousands or millions of years. Another big collision could happen tomorrow and there would be nothing we could do to stop it. I for one won't feel totally safe until we have a decent amount of our planet's life on another planet or space station.

      Sure let's keep improving as a race and continue our efforts to make life better on Earth, but let's not forget the fact that we really are living on borrowed time until we can deflect those threats from space which could destroy us in a flash.
    3. Re:Most immediate space challenge? Riiight.... by jpop32 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow. I always thought that the likelihood of an asteroid hitting Earth was low, at least low enough that ther are probably better things to spend one's time addressing... say, hunger, AIDS, yadda yadda yadda.

      That very well may be, but as you yourself have pointed out in the subject, asteroids are the most immediate space threat. As opposed to AIDS, hunger and yadda yaddas (although yaddas may turn out to be of extraterrestrial origin :-)).

      Besides, it is low probability, but as we will surely get hit by an asteroid sooner or later, the more time passes, the more probable it becomes. And the consequences of an asteroid hit (immediate devastation and secondary fallout, not excluding a new ice age) definitely warrant at least devising a game plan, if not immediately acting on it.

      Remember, it's not a question of 'if', it's a question of 'when'.

  2. Give them a break..... by vvikram · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I think you are being way to skeptical here .

    Look, you can say all you want but you are talking about something which can basically wipe us. Not to be a controversialist but wherein AIDS and hunger if you aren't there in the first place. Yes, I agree maybe its not top priority as much as the folks quote but its bloody well important. You think even if we spot an asteroid we can do anything about it.....throw a few nukes doesnt solve it. Want us to be sitting ducks and pray ? Maybe you should take a look again about Schu-Levy?

    Also how many times will the AIDS+hunger thing come up ? If your view is right then we should stop all technological innovation and start feeding everyone. It doesn't work that way - we should try to fight AIDS, hunger but at the same time its _very_ important to look forward

    No offence. Thanks,
    vv

    1. Re:Give them a break..... by Kilmor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, what are the odds that during the thousands of years that man was been walking around, that a big rock would strike just right when get just enough technology to save ourselves?! What luck!!
      Wouldnt happen 400 years from now when we have uber-laser blaster hyper 500-k warp missle blaster thingies, would it!

  3. Microwave Beams: Phased Array Antenna by spiro_killglance · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the nice advantages of Microwaves over
    lasers, is that is really easy to make a stearable
    beam of Microwaves using the phased array technique. I you make a dipole antenna and feed a
    microwave single into it, the signal goes pretty much everywhere, if you put another dipole antenna, next to the first, the two signal interfere results in a more direction beam. If you
    have a square grid of antennas, you get a narrow
    beam which becomes more focused as the density of
    the grid increases.

    If all the signals are in phase then the beam goes straight ahead (also straight behind, so you put a microwave mirror, a metal plate behind the antennas at a (half) integer number of wavelength in distances.

    To stear the beam, you just put a slight phase difference between each dipole antenna and the ones next to it, so that the phase difference increases with the distance between the each dipole antenna and the first one, thus the beam is stearable electronically. Because there a lots a seperate dipole antenna, the power in each does need to be to large, so you can use fairly ordinary electronic components to produce the beam.

    Imagine, building a simple block of antenna, consisting of a 100 by 100 dipole antenna, each
    feed by its own 100W oscillator, and with its own
    control and stearing computer inside. That should
    be fairly cheap to build. Now mass produce these.

    Now lets put a hundred of these side by side in a square, you
    get a stearable 100 MegaWatt beam and its only 10meter by 10meters big.
    You can use this idea to build with conventional
    technology a microwave beam as powerful as you like.

    Now you don't get much thrust from just reflecting
    the energy, 6.7 Newtons per gigawatt. But a constant accelation over time can quickly build up speed in space. You can get a lot more thrust out of the system by using the microwaves to heat a reaction mass, say water in the target craft. I haven't done the calculations, put a powerful enough beam could be used to launch a steam rocket from the earths surface at very little cost.

  4. Probabilities by XNormal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your chances of dying as a result of an asteroid hit are similar to your chances of dying from an earthquake or flood. And yet people have flood insurance but no asteroid hit insurance.

    The reason for that is that floods and earthquares are local and therefore you can hear about them happining somewhere else and perceive them as a threat. When an asteroids hits Earth there will be no "somewhere else".

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    Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
  5. Not a good idea by XNormal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For propulsion purposes you would need an extremely powerful beam with megawatts of power. Phased array antennas still have pretty strong side lobes. Even if they are attenuated by as much as 40db it would still have enough energy to cook everything in their vicinity. The main lobe of a phased array antenna will still have divergence that will make it ineffective for distances in space.

    Masers are coherent and therefore capable of creating an extremely narrow beam with virtually no side lobes. New technologies for masers bring their efficiency from the low single digits to around 50%.

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    Stop worrying about the risks of nuclear power and start worrying about the risks of not using nuclear power.
  6. Re:Microwave propulsion by heroine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That should be slightly under 27000 miles per hour. Furthermore, once it's several thousand miles in altitude it would slowly decelerate and fall back to a circular earth orbit. Thus you achieve earth orbit without the need to propell it horizontally very far. The idea of using the force of photons to push a sail is still out there. It would be more effective to transmit a magnetic dipole of equal phase and polarity from the spacecraft into the microwave and use the repulsion to transmit force through a vacuum.