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Sendo Can't Get Microsoft Source; Ditches Windows
An anonymous submitter wrote: "Just when you thought the award-winning data leech Microsoft had become invincible... cellphone manufacturer Sendo, in a statement on the front page of its web site, announces the termination of its Z100 smartphone development on the Microsoft platform, licensing the rival Symbian from Nokia instead. (Further reports by ZDnet and Heise.)"
but I have to question the business heads of those who cancel a product DAYS BEFORE THE LAUNCH...
;) ) then surely its worth showing your stock holders that you HAVE something for the millions spent on R&D
Sure, it must have been a hard decision, but unless they made some huge fkup working out the per-device costing (did they forget to license windows?
But, as I said at the start of the article... good luck to them
Now, not only have they "wasted" millions, they will probably have the beast on their back
Apparently sendo doesn't want to make money. Don't get me wrong symbian is great, but at this point in time it seams to me that people would much rather buy an MS enabled phone than a Symbian one. Also, I wonder what kind of delay it will add to their device, which already has been postponed numerous times. It seems to me like its never going to make it to market.
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Anybody any idea if the Orange (UK) SPV is still going to be released? Seems to be the same phone as the Z100...
http://www.orange.co.uk/orangespv/
Oh please. I didn't know whether to respond or mod you down on this one. I choose the former.
Of course Stingray (Windows for cellphones) uses an underlying RTOS. I interviewed with that group. We talked about it. All of the fancy UI/Windows stuff is in a low-priority task.
Just like with the Palm OS. The "Palm OS" doesn't actually run the PDA. It runs on top of a small RTOS kernel that handles interrupts, hardware drivers, and other real-time things that have little to do with the UI. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the same Palm OS runs on different RTOS kernels. In fact, I can almost guarantee you that the Qualcomm Palm thingy they had a few years ago likely did not use the same RTOS kernel as my Palm Vx.
And you comment about Cisco Certified Internet Engineers and Command-line interfaces is a joke, right? A CCIE doesn't make more money because he or she can use a terminal instead of dragging icons. They make more money because internetworking is more of a niche and is arguably more complex than setting up Windows. It also costs much more to become CCIE than MCSE. Trust me, Cisco's next generation routers will be configured remotely through a graphical interface. I guess when that happens, CCIE's will be making just as much as a MCSE, huh?
The more companies that gets used to have access to the source code and being able to make modifications the better. Once you are familiar with the concept its much easier to uncerstand why Gnu/linux works and what benefits it can bring. Also its much harder to fool someone with things like Shared Source if they are knowledged in GPL etc. and can see the really big differences between licenses.
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For some reason, I'm beginning to think that this could signify a slow paradigm-shift in certain tech-savvy industries.
I worked for a telecommunications company that had started using NT 3.51/4.0 for embedded system work, because we were using off-the-shelf industrial servers, and at the time, Microsoft' Systems Architect for NT was gearing things toward being fairly decent as an embedded system. When the latter iteration of NT 4.0 and then 2000 came out, they had clearly changed their intent, and our product, to use a technical term, was "fucked". Ultimately, an investor with cold feet spelled the end of the company, but it was taking quite a long time to adapt to the new platform, and this was seen as a big problem.
We had trusted Microsoft to keep the platform stable for our uses, and they failed to do so. Had we had the source code to the OS, we could have potentially rewritten the parts that we needed to make things work, while still giving them their licensing fee for the newest product. We never (obviously) had the chance.
Now, I work for an organization that has to maintain a massive database, and while we bought the software that we use, we also received the source code, so we actively maintain our end. We and our vendor work to determine what changes we as an organization made, and sometimes these changes are rolled back into the next release or step of the product, if they're universally beneficial. Others aren't, and we simply have to go and check the new versions to make our changes. This approach works very well.
Even if 'open source' isn't the answer to everyones' problems, simply having the source at all can be very beneficial. Hopefully, more and more medium to large companies and organizations will realise this, and that this, rather than lawsuits, attacks, etc, will cause people to abandon Microsoft.
IBM had PL/1, with syntax worse than JOSS,
And everywhere the language went, it was a total loss...
No, Vern. They just let him in.
Yea, they're really, really screwed.
It's only a matter of time until they disappear entirely and are delisted.
Is there anyway to give a -1 Flamebait to a submission? SHEESH!
This is because a Cisco CCIE certification actually /means/ something. I've known a CCIE or three, and they've all told me that there's a lab test where the instructors are running around breaking the network, and to pass the test, you have to fix it real time. This is a far cry from MSIE, where you can pass the written test and still not know anything about how to fix issues in the real world.
Code or be coded.
so, I'm not a programmer eh ?
I have 3 million lines of C under my belt, possibly more since I don't usually count that stuff. And before that piles and piles of assembler, 6502, 6809, 68000, x86, you name it I have probably programmed it.
I also run a bunch of technology companies and would be more than happy to part with Windows on
most of our office machines if I could find an alternative that REALLY works. So, every now and then when something promising pops up I give it a shot, but so far nothing came even close to being a competitor for the crap that gates puts out, which doesn't say much for the rest now does it ?
My point is, and just to make sure I don't draw any more crap like this:
Technology battles are not usually won in the media especially not in media like this, they are won by making things work and then promoting the hell out of them, the marketplace will take care of the rest. See MS vs IBM at some point in the past, and that was when nobody thought IBM could be unseated. Not by whining about the competition. Knoppix seems to be a step in the right direction, and with a little - not even that much - concerted effort we can make it a home run but whining is not going to solve it.
For personal reasons I have decided to stay away from open source myself (we have to eat you know...), but I presume there are many people like me out there that would be glad to make the switch given an alternative that really works and that does not require me to have either a double boot or two machines to be able to do my daily work.
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While hearing a talk given by Sham Chakravorty (one of the founders of Signafore and in the comm field for 30 years this February) last night, he mentioned that while other router companies were putting pretty gui's on their network management interface Cisco was busy making fast and robust routers.
(this is a paraphrase... but I inferred that Cisco owned the market becuase they really had the better product)
Just becuase it is easier doesn't mean it is better.
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
I have a question about a possible Microsoft avenue. Do you think Microsoft could sell their source code to a company for x amount of dollars and also require licenses for the derivatives of that modified OS?
Example
ABC Widget company buys the source for XP Pro for $20,000 and then, after modifying XP to actually do the stuff they need, they use 100 copies of it, and they have to pay Microsoft for 100 licenses of XP. Wouldn't this work? I mean, it would allow companies to work on XP, but also allow them to keep making money. One concern might be that the source might "get out" but I'm sure they'd figure out some way to know how it got out and then sue the company for all their worth. Anyways, just an idea, I don't know what yall would think of that...
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Although many will doubtless claim this is insignificant to MS - the fact they're further delayed in getting their own hardware out there will do them serious damage in the mobile device arena.
Not really. The Sendo device was crap anyway compared to the HTC device, which is now SHIPPING in Europe as the Orange "SPV". The truth is, before they met Microsoft, Sendo made low-end super-budget phones. They were in over their heads. HTC, meanwhile, has a long history of making great Microsoft hardware, including the iPAQ Pocket PCs.
Contrast this with MS, who have no platform
uh... Windows Powered Smartphone IS the platform. As I mentioned, it's shipping.
no 3rd party developers (as far as I know),
Windows Powered Smartphone is Windows CE-based, and very closely related to Pocket PC 2002. There are over 10,000 Pocket PC apps out there already - most of which could be ported to Smartphone in less than a day. That gives them a huge developer base.
and very little to offer over the established brands.
Probably not so much here, but to many people, Microsoft is a good brand. But that's not really the point of Windows Powered Smartphone. The idea is that Microsoft provides the OS, companies like HTC and Samsung provide the hardware, and the devices are actually carrier-branded. So the main brand on such a device would be "Cingular" or "AT&T", not "Sendo" or "HTC".
I downloaded only one of Sendo's sample code zip files off of their developer's website. I found it to be very helpful. Much more helpful than any documentation that Microsoft has put out so far for the Smartphone platform. I was wondering if anyone had in their possession, the entire Sendo sample code library. If you do, I would really appreciate it if you could send me the zip files.