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Sensors Gone Wild
tulanian writes "forbes.com has an interesting article on networked, intelligent sensors. It mentions an experiment done by DARPA where several dozen magnetic sensors were scattered along a road and passing vehicles could be identified by their magnetic signatures."
So does this mean, when your car begins to rust out, and it's magnetic fingerprint changes, you'll cease to exist?
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Are there any insidious uses for this technology? There always are, but realistically what?
I could kinda see this being used for speed checking using the time elapsed between passing different sensors (like VASCAR) if the sensors could differentiate certain cars.
Or knowing where you are at any given time. Hmmm.
Any other suggestions?
I can imagine that many of the uses for these listed could be great, but over-reliance may be a problem. While it would be nice if everything like this worked like in Star Trek, I can imagine a story in the future where someone calls 911 about a bridge that looks about to collapse that is ignored because the sensors say the bridge is fine.
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wouldn't the contents of the car alter the signature? potentially just the number of passengers inside could alter the signature, or certainly power magnets could. so then you could outlaw travel with large amounts of magnetic material (already an interesting proposition considering cars increasing reliance upon computer systems), but it gets pretty hard to outlaw electricity and metal...
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Believe it or not the military actually have some experience in the area of jammed / faked Comms.
Although getting mil standard crypto into such small devices might be hard. Then there's the high possibility of them falling into enemy hands and the crpyto key being open to comprimise.
Ignore what I said, you may have a good point.
The world's navies have been identifying ships using magnetic signatures for decades; sophisticated mines exist which can not only distinguish friendly ships from those of the enemy from their magnetic signature, but use a combination of of the acoustic and magnetic signatures of a vessel to identify a particular ship (e.g. to distinguish one Ticonderoga class ship from another). This enables the laying of a minefield that will ignore the signatures of low value units such as minesweepers, frigates and destroyers, and only explode when a particular enemy carrier passes overhead.
One imagines that an intelligence agency wishing to assassinate a foreign president/dictator could achieve similar success using the sensors described in the Forbe's article - they need merely tune the sensors to the signature of the target's limo, and lay them on a public road on the way to his residence.
add some "reproductive" devices here and there which are somehow able to scavenge items from the environment and build/repair all other nodes... with the odd "mistake" here and there....
A number of suburbs of Dallas, Texas (including Carrollton, where I work) are using computerized magnetic sensors to monitor traffic. They're temporary installations -- a box about 4" x 6" x 1" high is placed in the center of the traffic lane, and covered with a thick sheet of what looks to be asphalt-impregnated duct tape.
When they're done with the traffic survey -- 24 hours, typically -- the city engineers cut out the sensor, leaving the tape that was stuck to the ground. You'll see these squares all over town -- they don't seem to disintegrate for several months, even after heavy traffic driving over them. The busiest intersections have several of these leftovers.
A Dallas Morning News article a year or so ago detailed the city's use of the boxes, and noted that they could derive detailed information about the vehicles by their magnetic signatures. I didn't put 2 and 2 together, though, until Slashdot came to the rescue...
Dallas is one of the most insanely vehicle-as-status-symbol regions of the country (according to friends who have lived elsewhere). I thought that Carrollton was simply doing a traffic survey no different than the pneumatic roll-over count... but if you can tell a '82 Chevette from a brand-new Cadillac SUV, it adds a whole new dimension.
Anyone want to bet against the cities prioritizing road repairs based on relative driver income, as opposed to mere number of vehicles?
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Laugh at sensors hopping...
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It's very funny that you link to the DARPA SHM program. The Forbes "Sensors Gone Wild" article that Slashdot linked to today is talking about work done at the Center for Embedded Network Sensing at UCLA (and the closely associated UCLA LECS lab, also run by Deborah Estrin). Now, a few of us lowly graduate students working at the UCLA lab/center also work for Sensoria Corp, which was one of the main contractors for the SHM project. A lot of the research was very complementary. I'll plug my own research here -- the fine grained network time synchronization that we developed at UCLA/LECS is public domain and also made its way into the SHM project. There's other crossover as well (e.g. some of the acoustic ranging work); check out Sensoria's publications page.
I was at the SHM demo on an army base this past March and again this past August, and let me tell you, seeing those things actually hop is quite exciting. Especially when you're the one with your finger on the "ARM ALL" button
probably simpler than that - just need a variable resistor wire to a coil of some sort and wire it to the power. Just dial the switch on the variable resistor and you probably change the magnetic id
Well, crypto would be virutally useless in this application for the military, they're not sending out communications, only recieving them. I cannot see any good reason why the military would want to use any sort of encryption on these...
Actually, there are two very good reasons why the military might want to use crypto. One is that if the sensors are actually providing useful info, the enemy might also find that information useful. If you drop sensors onto the front line, and then manage to advance the line, well now the sensors are transmitting information about the location of your own troops. So you would definitely want that encrypted.
The other is to ensure the integrity of the information. Remember, crypto has more uses than simply preserving privacy. Your sensor array wouldn't be worth a whole lot if the enemy could transmit false data. If you can't trust the sensors, you can't make decisions based upon the data you get back. Imagine if your enemy could inject fake data saying that nothings moving when in fact they are advancing? Or saying that their tanks are miles away from their actual location?
That's what I was thinking too. I'm guessing by "identify" they mean something more like counting jeeps vs. trucks vs. tanks. Which is quite useful information in a military application of course, but a far cry from being able to id specific vehicles. Is there any reason to belive that any physical aspect if a single model of car varies enough to be measurable as any sort if identifier?
I remember reading some short, asimov i think, where this guy invented this device that canceled all sound waves within like a 10 foot radius. He invented it so you could get a little peace and quiet, but the device ended up being banned after people went around using them to blow bank vaults without anyone hearing the explosion/alarm.
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The one thing that keeps popping into my head is how this system can be characterized in its usefullness. Its like a sense for a simple organism.
The implications that are present here produce visions of gathering nodes of information and data not just in the random and simplistic fashions of the internet's present structure, but in the processing fundamental functions of seperate personalities and intelligently focused mini-brains automatically approaching a consciousness as they communicate.
I think the statement made in the article about this "tech being better than the internet" could be accurate, but only when you think on how this could be connected to the internet in some useful way. Where, if the internet is a simple organism, this would be one of its senses - one using the other.
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"The hitch: these networks are a snooper's dream come true, putting each citizen in the same situation as that squirrel in the James Reserve. "There would be a whole suite of sensors in a room that could tell you how many people are there and what they are saying. The implications of this are so huge that we need to get sociologists and legal people thinking about this early," says Roger T. Howe, the director of the Sensor &Actuator Center at the University of California at Berkeley."
Well we have a man who should know better than anyone on "/.", and he's already saying the same as the poster you replied to. So were's his "tin foil" hat? Remember you first have to know that the sensors are even present, and what kind before you can even think of mounting an effective defense. The "cat and mouse" game will commence. The cat has already plunked down millions of dollars. Were's your money?
There are sensors just like these along various stretches of the border between British Columbia, Canada and Washington, USA where the two nations have parallel streets separated only by a shallow drainage ditch. They are presumably there to detect when cars stop to toss bags of marijuana over the border.
While we were learning about induction, my high school physics teacher talked about a friend he had who worked for a large company who worked on the technology behind the unique magnetic signature detection. It worked very well, and was tested somewhere (I think it was Germany), with very good accuracy. A vehicle could be identified moving throughout the city.
The major drawback to this was that the technology relied on specific patterns formed by the car running over coils under the street (creating inductance). This worked very well if the car's physical makeup didn't change at all, but if someone were to put some scrap iron in the trunk, the unique signature would be changed.
This was actually done quite some time ago, I think in the 1980s. It's pretty cool technology, because the underlying concept is so simple, but it isn't practical in the real world.
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I guess the novelty is "self-organization" of the data flow over the network itself, but that just feels like buzzword-compliance and military contractor snake-oil to me. And I'm in the military, and recognize snake oil at 30 paces.
But yes, the network traffic will have strong mil-grade encryption, and also have tamper-prevention doohickeys which will destroy all the sensitive and expensive bits if Joe Badguy tries to pull an "all your keys are belong to us".
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